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[alani]

A/A

Did Ali,as,know that there were 12 Imams after the passing of the Prophet?

If so,where is this documented?

[Soldiers and Saffron]

Ws,

I do not know what sources you are looking for, but if you are looking for sunni sources:

It has been reported on the authority of Jabir b. Samura who said:

I went with my father to the Messenger of Allah (may peeace be upon him) and I heard him say: This religion would continue to remain powerful and dominant until there have been twelve Caliphs. Then he added something which I couldn't catch on account of the noise of the people. I asked my father: What did he say? My father said: He has said that all of them will be from the Quraish.
 

Reference	: Sahih Muslim 1821 f
In-book reference	: Book 33, Hadith 10
USC-MSA web (English) reference	: Book 20, Hadith 4482
(deprecated numbering scheme)

[alani]

Thank you

Anymore Sunni sources?

[saas]

The Sunnis are not in denial of the foretold anticipation of the 12 leaders. Those who accept then complicate the particulars with a selection of their own. Though credible, Sunnis do not overly stress on the hadith of the 12 as their list simply does not add up and the drawbacks are many. Well then again if Muaviyah is placed amongst the 12 it makes sense to ignore the hadith altogether.

Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura: The Prophet said: "There will be twelve commanders (Amir) all of them will be from Quraish."

Sahih al-Bukhari 9:329 (Arabic-English version)

 

 

"The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them will be from Quraish."

Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaarah, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477.

 

 

"The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men."

Ibid p1010, Tradition #4478

 

 

"Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs."

Ibid p1010, Tradition #4480

 

 

for you, all of them will be from Quraish.""The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs

Ibid p1010, Tradition #4483

 

"There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish."

Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5 p106:

 

 

"Twelve Caliphs, (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel."

Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, v1 p398 and p406. Al-Hakim al-Nisaburi, Mustadrak , 4:501 Al-Dhahabi, Talkhis 4:501. Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:339. Ali b. Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma' al-Zawa'id 5:190. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa, vol 12. Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Vol 10. Jami' al-Saghir 1:75. Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal, 13:27.

 

 

"There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh."

Sunan al-Tirmidhi (Arabic) Chapter of Fitan, 2:45 (India) and 4:501 Tradition # 2225 (Egypt)  

 

 

"Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them are from Quraysh."

Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic) 2:421,

Kitab al-Mahdi. Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic) 3:106,

Kitab al-Mahdi. Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:338.

Al-Hakim al-Nisaburi, Mustadrak al-Sahihayn 3:167.

 

 

"This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion."

Muntakhab Kanz al-'Ummal 5:321.

Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:249.

Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Vol 10. Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal ,13:26.

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa Vol 28.

 

 

"There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa."

Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:248.

Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal, 13:27.

Al-Haskani, Shawahid al-Tanzil, 1:455, Tradition No. 626.

 

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Edited January 1, 2017 by saas

[Mansur Bakhtiari]

Salam

Yes he did and so did the Prophet (saw)

Ibn Ayash Al-Hafeth: Narrated from me Abu Ali Ahmad ibn Mohammad ibn Jaffar Al-Usooli Al-Basiri, narrated from Abdar Rahman ibn Saleh ibn Raeeda narrated from Hussain ibn Hameed ibn Rabee' narrated Al-Hamshi narrated from Mohammad Al-Khalif Al-Taataatari, narrated from Zidaan narrated from Salman:
he said I entered upon the Messenger of God one day so when he looked at me he said "O Salman God doesn't raise a Prophet or a Messenger except he makes for him Twelve Captains". Salman said: "O Messenger of God, I know this from the people of two books", The Messenger of God so then said "O Salman so do you know who are the my Twelve Captains then God chosen as Leaders after me?" He said "God and his Messenger know better", "God created me from his own light so he called me so I obeyed him, then he created Ali from my light, and called him so he obeyed him, from my light and Ali's light he created Fatima, so he called her so she obeyed him, and from my light and the light of Ali, and Fatima he created Al-Hassan and Al-Hussain. And he called them and they obeyed him. So God named us with five names from his names, so God is the Praised (Al-Mahmud) and I am Mohammad (praised),and God is Al-Ali (The Exalted) and this is Ali (exalted), and God is the Originator/Source and this is Fatima (the original nature/the origin/the source) , and God is the owner of goodness (Dul-Ehsan) and this Al-Hassan (The good) and God is the Beautiful/Beautified and this is Hussain (the beautiful). Then God created from us and from the light of Hussain nine leaders so he called them and they obeyed him before God created a vast sky or spread earth or water or wind or a moral, we were in his knowledge lights who glorified him and who listened to him and obeyed him."