Is Baha'u'llah a Prophet?

[Hamzah J.]

Hello Hadez,

(and everyone here)

I came here to see what you guys think of the Faith I've been in for so long. Seeing what you had to say made me think more about my faith and thanks for that. I mentioned that I have to study more about Shia Islam and Islam, in general. 

Regarding the messages you sent, I actually talked to the Baha'i community to why this is happening, because to be honest, so many people in my Baha'i community have chosen to follow Mirza Muhammad Ali or Mason Remey and we just avoid talking about religion to them. And to those who leave, we haven't treated them anywhere close to badly. So, yes, we are asked to delete messages from them, because we don't want to cause conflict. However, inflicting harm on them... that's not going to happen.

However, I do see your objections, of course, and will look further into it.

Till next time,

Peace.

[Badi19]

On 1/23/2017 at 3:06 AM, Hamzah J. said:

Hello Hadez,

(and everyone here)

I came here to see what you guys think of the Faith I've been in for so long. Seeing what you had to say made me think more about my faith and thanks for that. I mentioned that I have to study more about Shia Islam and Islam, in general. 

Regarding the messages you sent, I actually talked to the Baha'i community to why this is happening, because to be honest, so many people in my Baha'i community have chosen to follow Mirza Muhammad Ali or Mason Remey and we just avoid talking about religion to them. And to those who leave, we haven't treated them anywhere close to badly. So, yes, we are asked to delete messages from them, because we don't want to cause conflict. However, inflicting harm on them... that's not going to happen.

However, I do see your objections, of course, and will look further into it.

Till next time,

Peace.

Dear Hamzah,

I was following all this discussion from the beginning, thought to add some more points to Hadez's comment. Please find the same below. Just click the links and see how Baha'i Administration has control over Baha'i individuals, their activities etc. I can also show you (if you request) many examples where Baha'i books have been altered / changed by the Baha'i Administration, these are English books written by prominent Baha'is during the 'Heroic Age' of the Baha'i faith.

Link 1 :

Link 2 :

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.bahai/vADOLX3mNKg

Link 3 :

I will be happy to add more links after reading your response.

Thank you for giving me opportunity to write something in this regard.

[Hamzah J.]

Hello,

Thank you, Badi, for sharing these. I would look further into them. 

Do you think that this is what Baha'u'llah intended to see in the Baha'is; or are Baha'is not following their own laws and ordinances? 

Hamzah

[farhana.jaffer]

Hamza if you really are a simpleton as you are now projecting yourself (Initially you were projecting the image of a hardcore Baha'i), then this discussion must have made it clear to you that since no Prophet is to come after Muhammad(saw), so Bahaullah was a bogus propelled by the then czarist regime for creating disturbances in the then Persian empire and this same movement is now in the service of Zionism.

Following or not following a false prophet is of no consequence at all. A person will physically suffer in hell. Until of course he remains true to his intention of independent investigation and returns to the real last message of Allah (Islam).

[Hamzah J.]

Farhana! I never said that! The Baha'i Faith is still the faith I have been in for so long. I have the right to doubt it. And, I am not projecting myself as a hardcore Baha'i. I was protecting and justifying my Faith. You guys have given me insight into things I could research. I am not rejecting it. I am just doubting it and I have the right to do that. 

[farhana.jaffer]

Hamza!
You started with this question:

"I am interested in creating a HEALTHY debate about whether or not Baha'u'llah and the Bab are truly prophets."

Now that you are doubting your beliefs, do contemplate seeking help from God.

Even I have been following this discussion keenly and this has further strengthened my belief in Shiaism.

May Allah guide you to the religion which is near to Him  so that you may save yourself from eternal condemnation.

[Badi19]

On 1/24/2017 at 1:16 AM, Hamzah J. said:

Hello,

Thank you, Badi, for sharing these. I would look further into them. 

Do you think that this is what Baha'u'llah intended to see in the Baha'is; or are Baha'is not following their own laws and ordinances? 

Hamzah

Dear Hamzah,

I see Baha'u'llah as an Imposter so I cannot reply what he intended to see for his followers. I see Baha'i faith as a world scam and I thank to the internet that it is exposed now. There are so many issues with it, that I can keep writing and writing. It is a total failure. I will just give an example from India where there were ~11000 Baha'is in 2001. This number dropped to ~4500 Baha'is in 2011 but Baha'is shamelessly claim that there are ~2.2 million Baha'is in India. I can provide verifiable evidences if you request.

If you want to know more about my findings just give me a signal and I will start posting the stuffs here.

All the best to you.

[Hamzah J.]

Hi Badi,

Is it possible here to able to talk on a persona level? Instead of using the forum?

Thanks!

[Badi19]

On 1/24/2017 at 6:49 PM, Hamzah J. said:

Hi Badi,

Is it possible here to able to talk on a persona level? Instead of using the forum?

Thanks!

Why not? you can PM me. By that time see this interesting video :

All the best.

[Hamzah J.]

Hey Badi,

I don't know why but PMing you didn't work... can you PM me?

[Badi19]

22 hours ago, Hamzah J. said:

Hey Badi,

 

I don't know why but PMing you didn't work... can you PM me?

Ok. I am sending you a message till that time you check this out :

 

[Shahzeb Siddiq al-Salafi]

@Hamzah J.

Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is the last of the Prophets, there's no Prophet and Messenger after him.This is attested by the Qur'aan, Shi'ah sources and Sunni sources, thus we have a unity with regards to this... Then the cults like baha'iyyah and Ahamdiyyah comes along and try to change the interpretation (and reject the sahih ahaadith) because it's a stumbling block for their evil propaganda.

 

مَن كنتُ مَولاهُ فعليٌّ مَولاهُ وسَمِعتُهُ يقولُ أنتَ منِّي بمنزلةِ هارونَ مِن موسَى إلَّا أنَّهُ لا نبيَّ بعدي وسَمِعتُهُ يقولُ لأُعطيَنَّ الرَّايةَ اليومَ رجلًا يحبُّ اللَّهَ ورسولَهُ

الراوي:سعد بن أبي وقاص المحدث:الألباني المصدر:صحيح ابن ماجه الجزء أو الصفحة:98 حكم المحدث:صحيح

 

نت مني بمنزلةِ هارونَ من موسى . إلا أنه لا نبيَّ بعدي

الراوي:سعد بن أبي وقاص المحدث:مسلم المصدر:صحيح مسلم الجزء أو الصفحة:2404 حكم المحدث:صحيح

 

(Tafsir al-Baghaawi - 33:40, Tafsir Ibn al-Jawziy - 33:40) يريد لو لم أختم به النبيين لجعلت له ابناً يكون بعده نبياً

 

(Tafsir al-Baghaawi - 33:40)  وروي عن عطاء عن ابن عباس: أن الله تعالى لما حكم أن لا نبي بعده لم يعطه ولداً ذكراً يصير رجْلاً

 

Hassan al-Basri, who was a man amongst the salaf, said: "وخاتم النبيين  قال: ختم الله النبيين بمحمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، وكان آخر من بعث" - Ad-Durr al-Manthuur -  33:40

[imranshaykh]

Dear Brothers and Sisters:

Salamun Alaykum.

I happened to chance upon this topic whilst researching about another topic. The question is - Are Bab and Bahaullah prophets?

The answer is no.

History records them as opportunists who changed their position at every available opportunity. Islam is very clear that there will be no prophet AND messenger after the Holy Prophet of Islam (pbuh). Every verse, every tradition we have from the prophet says that he is the last prophet and messenger. Furthermore, he even condemned any person who would come forward claiming to be a new prophet or messenger.

Please see the following link: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/false_prophets.html

Also see: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai14.html

Thanks,

Imran Shaykh

[imranshaykh]

On 1/12/2017 at 0:25 PM, Hamzah J. said:

Hey everyone.

I am so sorry for this late reply; I had to go back to the Emirates where ShiaChat is unfortunately blocked and censored.

Going back, I think that before I talk more about Baha'is and Shi'as, can you guys help me in understanding Shia Islam first? When I became a Baha'i I didn't consider all it's origins. I'm not saying Baha'is or Shi'as are right or wrong, but just as many of you made wrong claims about Baha'is, I think I have made claims about Shi'a beliefs from a very Baha'i perspective. 

In other words, I want to learn about Shi'a Islam from a Shi'a perspective. Anyone for help in where to start?

While you are a Bahai, you can also visit www.bahaiawareness.com which explains Bahai Faith from a Shiah and Sunni perspective.

Thanks

Imran Shaykh

[Daud AbuOmid]

On 12/19/2016 at 5:47 PM, Qa'im said:

Please provide references - so for Daniel, for the Qa'im coming with a new book, and a reference to new cycles breaking the seal of prophethood.

"Were all the peoples of the earth to join together to harm a single one of the people of Bahá, they would find themselves powerless, for all that they see as harming Thy chosen ones is as light unto them, and as fire unto Thine enemies." (Bahá’u’lláh, Days of Remembrance 8:3)

[Daud AbuOmid]

On 12/19/2016 at 1:09 PM, Hamzah J. said:

Hey, I wanted to create this thread and, as a Baha'i, I am interested in creating a HEALTHY debate about whether or not Baha'u'llah and the Bab are truly prophets. 

I would request from all those who would like to comment to not insult anyone, including Baha'u'llah, the Bab. This is meant to be a healthy conversation. 

FYI, I speak perfect Arabic so I have no problem explaining things in Arabic or verses, etc. from the Baha'i writings. 

Thank you, Hamzah J., for offering to share your knowledge of Arabic. His Holiness Bah'u'llah has said: "Indeed, there existeth no language in the world as vast and comprehensive as Arabic". ~Baha’u’llah, Tabernacle of Unity, #2.58, p.53)

“In point of fact , no less than sixty percent of Baha’u’llah’s Tablets and other Writings were revealed in the ‘perspicuous Arabic tongue,’ as He describes it, in contradistinction to the ‘luminous Persian tongue’ in which the remainder of His Writings was revealed.…It is beloved of God that all should speak in Arabic, which is the richest and vastest of all languages. Were anyone to be aware of the richness and vastness of this perspicuous tongue, he would choose it as a universal language of communication. The Persian tongue is a beautiful language, and in this Dispensation God hath chosen to speak in two languages: Arabic and Persian. However, Persian is not as rich as Arabic; in fact all the languages of the earth seem limited when compared to the Arabic language. What We have mentioned here is merely what is preferable. However, Our purpose is that the peoples of the earth should choose a universal language from amongst the languages spoken by all mankind. This is what God hath ordained, and this is what will benefit all mankind, did they but know." (Bahá’u’lláh, quoted in Soheil Bushrui,"The Style of the Kitab-i-Aqdas: Aspects of the Sublime," pp.32-33)

"Among all the languages of the world, Arabic is unique in being a sacred language…”(ibid p. 26)

[megaman]

On 1/21/2017 at 8:21 AM, hadez803 said:

 "That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith." (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah, section CXX.)

“Its watchword is the unification of the human race; its standard the “Most Great Peace”; its consummation the advent of that golden millennium—the Day when the kingdoms of this world shall have become the Kingdom of God Himself, the Kingdom of Baha’u’llah,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha’u’llah, p. 157)

What would be wrong with this? Isn't this the expectation of the Day of Judgement? To fill the earth with peace and justice? To reach a peaceful and just world, we must first be united. What else is greater than being united in the Cause of God?