Ayatullah Khamanei as the leader of Muslims?

[celestial 459]

 

Alright. I saw this in another topic. Look at below, "Imam Khamanei, leader of the muslim ummah"

Excuse me, but who chose him as my leader? I don't remember voting? Why do I have to see this everywhere? Why am I being pushed to believe in WF? Why do I get alienated and harrased when I rightfully speak against wilayat faqih?

Khamanei isn't even a qualified scholar, let alone being the leader of the muslim ummah? Seriously what kind of coma are you people in?

[Hameedeh 17,545]

The poster is from a religious website. They made the poster and they put what they want on it. If you don't like the poster you don't have to look at it. Thanks for posting it again and giving it more publicity. 

https://www.purestream-media.com/

[celestial 459]

5 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

The poster is from a religious website. They made the poster and they put what they want on it. If you don't like the poster you don't have to look at it. Thanks for posting it again and giving it more publicity. 

https://www.purestream-media.com/

Majority of the pro-WF call Khamanei as "Rahbar" and literally they see him as the leader of the ummah, they believe that he is in communication with Imam Mahdi. Here we see the reflections of this mindset.

[Hameedeh 17,545]

1 minute ago, celestial said:

 they believe that he is in communication with Imam Mahdi. Here we see the reflections of this mindset.

The quotes by Ayatullah Khamenei are sent to the Pakistani people, in admiration of the Pakistani martyrs. There is no mention of communication with the Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his return.  

[repenter-gone4awhile 7,284]

Based on what qualification and information do you say he is not qualified scholar? He got his ijtihad when he was really young, so either should prove based on documented facts that he isn't a qualified scholar or apologize for insulting a marja for a huge % of shias, You already broke the site rules and should be banned for it, but let's play another one of your games. 

Also, bring forth unbiased scholars(meaning not montazeri) that say his ijtihad is invalid. 

[alirex 985]

Alhamdulillah he is leader of Muslim Ummah. What's wrong in it. Those who are treating him as Leader are Muslims and from Ummah of Prophet. So for them He is Leader of Muslim Ummah. As simple as the Sentence tells.

[celestial 459]

5 minutes ago, repenter said:

Based on what qualification and information do you say he is not qualified scholar? He got his ijtihad when he was really young, so either should prove based on documented facts that he isn't a qualified scholar or apologize for insulting a marja for a huge % of shias, You already broke the site rules and should be banned for it, but let's play another one of your games. 

Also, bring forth unbiased scholars(meaning not montazeri) that say his ijtihad is invalid. 

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

[alirex 985]

7 minutes ago, celestial said:

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

His Risalah is in format of Question Answer.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.indshiaorg.fiqhimasailfortab.AOTWKEBZFRKMQFRK ( Urdu )

Fiqhi Masail Ka Majmu'a (Masail ki Tauzeeh) in Urdu as per fataawa of Grand Ayatullah Al Uzma Sayed Ali Al Husaini Al Khamenei for Shia Isna/Asna Ashari (Fiqh e Jafari)

You can download in english too

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Khamenei&hl=en

 

Edited December 11, 2016 by alirex

[celestial 459]

Just now, alirex said:

His Risalah is in format of Question Answer.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.indshiaorg.fiqhimasailfortab.AOTWKEBZFRKMQFRK ( Urdu )

You can download in english too

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Khamenei&hl=en

 

No, this is Q&A, not a risalah.

[repenter-gone4awhile 7,284]

9 minutes ago, celestial said:

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago? Also with the internet, there is no need for it anymore, your collection of fatwas can be digitally presented. He rather has a difference document of what he disagrees with Imam Khomeini, it's called being productive. 

Now answer the questions, or admit you are mistaken. 

 

[celestial 459]

Just now, repenter said:

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago? Also with the internet, there is no need for it anymore, your collection of fatwas can be digitally presented. He rather has a difference document of what he disagrees with Imam Khomeini, it's called being productive. 

Now answer the questions, or admit you are mistaken. 

Oh yeah right, he is too busy translating Sayed Qutb's books, a must for ummah... I can understand that.

Sorry I was mistaken.

[alirex 985]

Just now, celestial said:

No, this is Q&A, not a risalah.

You means to say if i will change format for same thing which is from ages , it will become invalid ?

Wipe your head with atleast three fingers. ( Old format )
 

Quote

 

New Format

Q : How to wipe our head ?

A : Wipe your head with atleast three fingers and from middle of the front head.

 

 

[repenter-gone4awhile 7,284]

Just now, celestial said:

Oh yeah right, he is too busy translating Sayed Qutb's books, a must for ummah... I can understand that.

Sorry I was mistaken.

That's what i thought, big mouth, no content. Goodbye. 

[celestial 459]

Just now, repenter said:

That's what i thought, big mouth, no content. Goodbye. 

Enjoy the books of Sayed Qutb... Cheers.

[alirex 985]

@celestial : This is his online Istifta : http://leader.ir/en/istifta

When you open it just use drop down in front of Subject : There you will find all the headings for which you can ask rule. Simple. Right ? Technically very good approach actually bcoz world is changing very fast and Risalah can become old soon. So best is ask directly.

[Al-Qibli 23]

Imam Khameini showed deeds. What did you do?

[Hassan- 3,241]

He's our leader whether you like it or not

[IbnSina 5,286]

How sad...

Okay you do not agree with WF, okay you do not like ayatullah Khamenei. But you do realize that many people respect him and follow his fatwas as their marja?

Do you really think you conducted yourself in a correct manner when questioning the above? 

There are certain manners one must follow if you wish to discuss things which means a lot to others and little to you and even sometimes it is better not to speak up if it will cause fitna, especially if you speaking up will make no difference, why not focus on yourself for now and leave the judgement for the Imam of our time(ajf)? Weather you agree with WF or disagree, you cannot say that one united shia nation, one united shia army and a system will not be a good basis for the return of our Imam(ajf) and for him to take it over. 

[Hameedeh 17,545]

Ayatollah Abdullah Jawadi Amoli wrote this ijtihad and adalat document for Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Al-Hussaini Khamanei HA in 1990.

 

In the Name of God, The Dignity of Allah High

Ijtihad and adalat of Ayatollah Khamenei (may his barakat be extended) is acceptable. It is obligatory for the Muslim Ummah to help him by sacrificing their possessions and their lives, so the kalimatullah dignity of Allah be in the highest position. Salam to those people who follow the guidance.

signed - Jawadi Amoli 30th Zilhaje 1410 - 1st of Mordad 1990.
 

Farsi transliteration:

Bismihi Ta'ala, Sha'no ho al aziz

Hazrat Ayatollah Janab Aghaye Haj Seyyed Ali Khamenaie damat barakatoh morede taeed meebashad. Lazem ast omate Islami ayyadahom ullah dar taghviat Rahbariye moazamun lah dar bazli nafs va nafees dar heech goone nesar va esar dareegh nafarmayand. Letakoono kalimatullah hiya al oliya. va salamo ala manitabi'a hoda.

signed - Jawadi Amoli 30 Zilhaje 1410 - 1/5 1369

[Sumerian 5,408]

53 minutes ago, celestial said:

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

There is no need for a risalah, it was never a condition for ijtihad. 

[Engineer73 796]

20 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

Ijtihad and adalat of Ayatollah Khamenei (may his barakat be extended) is acceptable. It is obligatory for the Muslim Ummah to help him by sacrificing their possessions and their lives

 this sounds over stressed.

[Hameedeh 17,545]

Just now, Engineer73 said:

 this sounds over stressed.

I am not a native Farsi speaker. The lady who translated that for me worked a long time on it, to get it just right. If you wait for other members to reply, they can tell you if it is exaggerated or if it is an exact translation. 

[Ibn Al-Ja'abi 1,087]

46 minutes ago, repenter said:

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago?

Salam Alaykum,

I just wanted to address the above.

The formalized institution of marājiʿa itself is a recent phenomenon, not just their rasāʾil. The concept as a whole of  competing (for lack of a better term) jurists (mujtahids), "who gave their own classes and established networks of patronage comprising of students, former disciples and lay followers" (Litvak, 2000) really crystallized in the 19th century in Naǧaf and Karbalāʾ. And this was thanks to political and social environment allowing an influx of money for the clerics in these shrine-cities.

For further reading refer to Meir Litvak's article "The Finances of the ʿUlamāʾ Communities of Najaf and Karbalāʾ, 1796-1904" (Die Welt des Islams, New Series, Vol. 40, Issue 1 (Mar., 2000), pp. 41-66).

That being said, how history played out isn't necessarily a bad thing. This post isn't to be critical of the clerical system.

In any case, while having a risālaḧ isn't a necessary part of being a "mujtahid/marjaʿ", what's the point of being a marjaʿ and not having a risālaḧ that people can refer to in order to know your legal rulings?

wa assalam

[Engineer73 796]

31 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

I am not a native Farsi speaker. The lady who translated that for me worked a long time on it, to get it just right. If you wait for other members to reply, they can tell you if it is exaggerated or if it is an exact translation. 

Sister, There is no problem in your translation, as far as I understand Persian

[Hameedeh 17,545]

43 minutes ago, Engineer73 said:

Sister, There is no problem in your translation, as far as I understand Persian

Then why did you say these words:    this sounds over stressed.

1 hour ago, Engineer73 said:

 this sounds over stressed.