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20 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

Ijtihad and adalat of Ayatollah Khamenei (may his barakat be extended) is acceptable. It is obligatory for the Muslim Ummah to help him by sacrificing their possessions and their lives

:) this sounds over stressed.

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Just now, Engineer73 said:

:) this sounds over stressed.

I am not a native Farsi speaker. The lady who translated that for me worked a long time on it, to get it just right. If you wait for other members to reply, they can tell you if it is exaggerated or if it is an exact translation. 

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46 minutes ago, repenter said:

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago?

Salam Alaykum,

I just wanted to address the above.

The formalized institution of marājiʿa itself is a recent phenomenon, not just their rasāʾil. The concept as a whole of  competing (for lack of a better term) jurists (mujtahids), "who gave their own classes and established networks of patronage comprising of students, former disciples and lay followers" (Litvak, 2000) really crystallized in the 19th century in Naǧaf and Karbalāʾ. And this was thanks to political and social environment allowing an influx of money for the clerics in these shrine-cities.

For further reading refer to Meir Litvak's article "The Finances of the ʿUlamāʾ Communities of Najaf and Karbalāʾ, 1796-1904" (Die Welt des Islams, New Series, Vol. 40, Issue 1 (Mar., 2000), pp. 41-66).

That being said, how history played out isn't necessarily a bad thing. This post isn't to be critical of the clerical system.

In any case, while having a risālaḧ isn't a necessary part of being a "mujtahid/marjaʿ", what's the point of being a marjaʿ and not having a risālaḧ that people can refer to in order to know your legal rulings?

wa assalam

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31 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

I am not a native Farsi speaker. The lady who translated that for me worked a long time on it, to get it just right. If you wait for other members to reply, they can tell you if it is exaggerated or if it is an exact translation. 

Sister, There is no problem in your translation, as far as I understand Persian

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43 minutes ago, Engineer73 said:

Sister, There is no problem in your translation, as far as I understand Persian

Then why did you say these words:   :) this sounds over stressed.

1 hour ago, Engineer73 said:

:) this sounds over stressed.

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You can see these fitnah mongers a mile off. Here are their symptoms : 

On 11/20/2016 at 9:43 AM, Abu Hadi said:

The US / Zionist Agenda when it comes to Shia are four things, 

1) Distance the Shia from their knowledgeable and just leadership, i.e. Marjaea'

2) Create fitna between Followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) and between Shia and our Sunni brothers and Sisters

3) Create false accusations and 'news' regarding IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran)

4) Promote Ghulaw(extremism) amoung the Shia. 

If they can find someone who they can sell as an 'alim' who will 'talk up' their agenda (above), they will put him on a golden pedestal and will push wealth and resources in his direction. 

There will always be people with a little bit of knowledge who will be willing to sell their akhira for their dunya. These people have been common in every age. It is the people who are not willing to do this that are rare. 

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38 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

Then why did you say these words:   :) this sounds over stressed.

The words of Ayatullah Amoli sounds over stressed to me. Personally, I always keep a distinction between Masoom & Ghair e Masoom. One of that difference is this fact:

"Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 6:

النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ

The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves."

Masomeen have a greater claim on us and on our wealth than ourselves. So the words of Ayatullah Amoli sounds like he was talking about any Masoom.

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'Khamenei, the leader of Muslim Ummah' 

Can anyone tell me who gave Ayatullah Khamenei this title? And Muslim ummah means Shias, sunnis and other Islamic sects. So how do you expect other than Shias to accept Ayatullah khamenai as their leader. 

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"Sermon 136, Nehjul Balagha:

Your allegiance to me was not without thinking….

About the sincerity of his own intention and support of the oppressed (regarding the allegiance paid to him)

ومن كلام له (عليه السلام)

في أمر البيعة

Your allegiance to me was not without thinking, nor is my and your position the same. I seek you for Allah's sake but you seek me for your own benefits. O people! Support me despite your hearts’ desires. By Allah, I will take revenge for the oppressed from the oppressor and will put a string in the nose of the oppressor and drag him to the spring of truthfulness even though he may grudge it."

لَمْ تَكُنْ بَيْعَتُكُمْ إِيَّايَ فَلْتَةً، وَلَيْسَ أَمْرِي وَأَمْرُكُمْ وَاحِداً، إِنِّي أُرِيدُكُمْ للهِ وَأَنْتُمْ تُرِيدُونَنِي لاِنْفُسِكُمْ. أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ، أَعِينُوني عَلى أَنْفُسِكُمْ، وَايْمُ اللهِ لاَنْصِفَنَّ الْمَظْلُومَ، وَلاَقُودَنَّ الظَّالِمَ بِخِزَامَتِهَ حَتَّى أُورِدَهُ مَنْهَلَ الْحَقِّ وَإِنْ كَانَ كَارِهاً.

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On 12/11/2016 at 10:36 AM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

'Khamenei, the leader of Muslim Ummah' 

Can anyone tell me who gave Ayatullah Khamenei this title? And Muslim ummah means Shias, sunnis and other Islamic sects. So how do you expect other than Shias to accept Ayatullah khamenai as their leader. 

Salam,

There are a lot of Sunni who consider him to be a A leader but not THE leader and who cooperate with the IRI.

There is actually no sunni-shia war. It's about the Resistance and those against it wether shia, sunni or whatever.

To those who are critical about the IRI, I want to say the following:

"Put your money where your mouth is."

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On 12/11/2016 at 1:10 PM, Al-Qibli said:

Salam,

There are a lot of Sunni who consider him to be a A leader but not THE leader and who cooperate with the IRI.

Even many shias do not consider him as their leader let alone a sunni. It is illogical to force down something people's throat.

Again asking. Who gave him the title?

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On 12/11/2016 at 1:14 PM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

Even many shias do not consider him as their leader let alone a sunni. It is illogical to force down something people's throat.

Again asking. Who gave him the title?

Nobody is forcing down to accept him as A leader or THE leader. Second of all, the Imperialists and their mujahidin fishaytan are actually forcing down to condemn him and consider the IRI and their allies as the Axis of Evil.

Those who do are doing it willingly. I do not see him as MY leader but certainly as one who is striving for a righteous cause.

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On 12/11/2016 at 1:17 PM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

And now you are taking it personally. My question was simple. Chill.

I am just confronting you with the truth. Nothing personal at all.

Those scholars who condemn him actually did nothing at all.

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On 12/11/2016 at 1:20 PM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

Yes. Correct.

Because just yesterday Abu Bakar baghdadi declared himself as 'Khalifat ul Muslemeen'. So you, me and others did not recognize him.

This Khameini who you are condemning did actually help Iraq to remove Trashbagdaddy.

Even though they don't accept him as THE leader so your comparison is null and void.

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28 minutes ago, Al-Qibli said:

This Khameini who you are condemning

Now where did this come from? Where did I condemn Ayatullah Khamenei. Do you have comprehension problem. Do not haste in replying. Go and read original question and try to understand what I was asking. 

23 minutes ago, Al-Qibli said:

As a Shia or mainstream Sunni you better worry about the policy of Saudi Arabia instead of jumping on the anti-Resistance bandwagon.

Saudi Arabia government to hell. 

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@Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) He is leader of Muslim Ummah.

Those who are accepting him as Leader are also Muslims. Are you able to prove that they are not muslims ? If not then go on next step >

Those muslims are Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (saw) . Are you able to prove that they are not of Prophet's Ummah ? If not then go on next step >

They become Muslim as well as Ummah = Muslim Ummah , and there Leader will become " Leader of Muslim Ummah "

Is this calculation fine to you ?

I made it in steps so that where ever you face problem we can solve that particular step first. :grin:

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On 12/11/2016 at 2:08 PM, alirex said:

He is leader of Muslim Ummah.

Those who are accepting him as Leader are also Muslims. Are you able to prove that they are not muslims ? If not then go on next step >

Those muslims are Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (saw) . Are you able to prove that they are not of Prophet's Ummah ? If not then go on next step >

They become Muslim as well as Ummah = Muslim Ummah , and there Leader will become " Leader of Muslim Ummah "

You know what brother. 

I'll go to a random sunni guy tomorrow and will tell him, hey listen, Ayatollah khamenai is your leader. OK. 

Nope I'm sunni, he can be leader of a shia not mine. 

But he has been given title 'leader of Muslim Ummah', so if you are muslim then he's your leader. 

Is me forcing that guy to accept Ayatullah khamenai as his leader fine when he clearly don't want to? 

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