Ayatullah Khamanei as the leader of Muslims?

[celestial]

 

Alright. I saw this in another topic. Look at below, "Imam Khamanei, leader of the muslim ummah"

Excuse me, but who chose him as my leader? I don't remember voting? Why do I have to see this everywhere? Why am I being pushed to believe in WF? Why do I get alienated and harrased when I rightfully speak against wilayat faqih?

Khamanei isn't even a qualified scholar, let alone being the leader of the muslim ummah? Seriously what kind of coma are you people in?

[Hameedeh]

The poster is from a religious website. They made the poster and they put what they want on it. If you don't like the poster you don't have to look at it. Thanks for posting it again and giving it more publicity. 

https://www.purestream-media.com/

[celestial]

5 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

The poster is from a religious website. They made the poster and they put what they want on it. If you don't like the poster you don't have to look at it. Thanks for posting it again and giving it more publicity. 

https://www.purestream-media.com/

Majority of the pro-WF call Khamanei as "Rahbar" and literally they see him as the leader of the ummah, they believe that he is in communication with Imam Mahdi. Here we see the reflections of this mindset.

[Hameedeh]

1 minute ago, celestial said:

 they believe that he is in communication with Imam Mahdi. Here we see the reflections of this mindset.

The quotes by Ayatullah Khamenei are sent to the Pakistani people, in admiration of the Pakistani martyrs. There is no mention of communication with the Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his return.  

[repenter-gone4awhile]

Based on what qualification and information do you say he is not qualified scholar? He got his ijtihad when he was really young, so either should prove based on documented facts that he isn't a qualified scholar or apologize for insulting a marja for a huge % of shias, You already broke the site rules and should be banned for it, but let's play another one of your games. 

Also, bring forth unbiased scholars(meaning not montazeri) that say his ijtihad is invalid. 

[alirex]

Alhamdulillah he is leader of Muslim Ummah. What's wrong in it. Those who are treating him as Leader are Muslims and from Ummah of Prophet. So for them He is Leader of Muslim Ummah. As simple as the Sentence tells.

[celestial]

5 minutes ago, repenter said:

Based on what qualification and information do you say he is not qualified scholar? He got his ijtihad when he was really young, so either should prove based on documented facts that he isn't a qualified scholar or apologize for insulting a marja for a huge % of shias, You already broke the site rules and should be banned for it, but let's play another one of your games. 

Also, bring forth unbiased scholars(meaning not montazeri) that say his ijtihad is invalid. 

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

[alirex]

7 minutes ago, celestial said:

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

His Risalah is in format of Question Answer.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.indshiaorg.fiqhimasailfortab.AOTWKEBZFRKMQFRK ( Urdu )

Fiqhi Masail Ka Majmu'a (Masail ki Tauzeeh) in Urdu as per fataawa of Grand Ayatullah Al Uzma Sayed Ali Al Husaini Al Khamenei for Shia Isna/Asna Ashari (Fiqh e Jafari)

You can download in english too

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Khamenei&hl=en

 

Edited December 11, 2016 by alirex

[celestial]

Just now, alirex said:

His Risalah is in format of Question Answer.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.indshiaorg.fiqhimasailfortab.AOTWKEBZFRKMQFRK ( Urdu )

You can download in english too

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Khamenei&hl=en

 

No, this is Q&A, not a risalah.

[repenter-gone4awhile]

9 minutes ago, celestial said:

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago? Also with the internet, there is no need for it anymore, your collection of fatwas can be digitally presented. He rather has a difference document of what he disagrees with Imam Khomeini, it's called being productive. 

Now answer the questions, or admit you are mistaken. 

 

[celestial]

Just now, repenter said:

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago? Also with the internet, there is no need for it anymore, your collection of fatwas can be digitally presented. He rather has a difference document of what he disagrees with Imam Khomeini, it's called being productive. 

Now answer the questions, or admit you are mistaken. 

Oh yeah right, he is too busy translating Sayed Qutb's books, a must for ummah... I can understand that.

Sorry I was mistaken.

[alirex]

Just now, celestial said:

No, this is Q&A, not a risalah.

You means to say if i will change format for same thing which is from ages , it will become invalid ?

Wipe your head with atleast three fingers. ( Old format )
 

Quote

 

New Format

Q : How to wipe our head ?

A : Wipe your head with atleast three fingers and from middle of the front head.

 

 

[repenter-gone4awhile]

Just now, celestial said:

Oh yeah right, he is too busy translating Sayed Qutb's books, a must for ummah... I can understand that.

Sorry I was mistaken.

That's what i thought, big mouth, no content. Goodbye. 

[celestial]

Just now, repenter said:

That's what i thought, big mouth, no content. Goodbye. 

Enjoy the books of Sayed Qutb... Cheers.

[alirex]

@celestial : This is his online Istifta : http://leader.ir/en/istifta

When you open it just use drop down in front of Subject : There you will find all the headings for which you can ask rule. Simple. Right ? Technically very good approach actually bcoz world is changing very fast and Risalah can become old soon. So best is ask directly.

[Al-Qibli]

Imam Khameini showed deeds. What did you do?

[Hassan-]

He's our leader whether you like it or not

[Soldiers and Saffron]

How sad...

Okay you do not agree with WF, okay you do not like ayatullah Khamenei. But you do realize that many people respect him and follow his fatwas as their marja?

Do you really think you conducted yourself in a correct manner when questioning the above? 

There are certain manners one must follow if you wish to discuss things which means a lot to others and little to you and even sometimes it is better not to speak up if it will cause fitna, especially if you speaking up will make no difference, why not focus on yourself for now and leave the judgement for the Imam of our time(ajf)? Weather you agree with WF or disagree, you cannot say that one united shia nation, one united shia army and a system will not be a good basis for the return of our Imam(ajf) and for him to take it over. 

[Hameedeh]

Ayatollah Abdullah Jawadi Amoli wrote this ijtihad and adalat document for Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Al-Hussaini Khamanei HA in 1990.

 

In the Name of God, The Dignity of Allah High

Ijtihad and adalat of Ayatollah Khamenei (may his barakat be extended) is acceptable. It is obligatory for the Muslim Ummah to help him by sacrificing their possessions and their lives, so the kalimatullah dignity of Allah be in the highest position. Salam to those people who follow the guidance.

signed - Jawadi Amoli 30th Zilhaje 1410 - 1st of Mordad 1990.
 

Farsi transliteration:

Bismihi Ta'ala, Sha'no ho al aziz

Hazrat Ayatollah Janab Aghaye Haj Seyyed Ali Khamenaie damat barakatoh morede taeed meebashad. Lazem ast omate Islami ayyadahom ullah dar taghviat Rahbariye moazamun lah dar bazli nafs va nafees dar heech goone nesar va esar dareegh nafarmayand. Letakoono kalimatullah hiya al oliya. va salamo ala manitabi'a hoda.

signed - Jawadi Amoli 30 Zilhaje 1410 - 1/5 1369

[Sumerian]

53 minutes ago, celestial said:

Where is the risalah of Khamanei? Is it published? What took him so long?

There is no need for a risalah, it was never a condition for ijtihad. 

[Engineer73]

20 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

Ijtihad and adalat of Ayatollah Khamenei (may his barakat be extended) is acceptable. It is obligatory for the Muslim Ummah to help him by sacrificing their possessions and their lives

 this sounds over stressed.

[Hameedeh]

Just now, Engineer73 said:

 this sounds over stressed.

I am not a native Farsi speaker. The lady who translated that for me worked a long time on it, to get it just right. If you wait for other members to reply, they can tell you if it is exaggerated or if it is an exact translation. 

[Ibn Al-Ja'abi]

46 minutes ago, repenter said:

Risalah is not a requirement to be a mujtahid/marja it's just practical. Risalah is a new phenomenon where we have possibility to make books in great volumes, you think they had risalahs 400 years ago?

Salam Alaykum,

I just wanted to address the above.

The formalized institution of marājiʿa itself is a recent phenomenon, not just their rasāʾil. The concept as a whole of  competing (for lack of a better term) jurists (mujtahids), "who gave their own classes and established networks of patronage comprising of students, former disciples and lay followers" (Litvak, 2000) really crystallized in the 19th century in Naǧaf and Karbalāʾ. And this was thanks to political and social environment allowing an influx of money for the clerics in these shrine-cities.

For further reading refer to Meir Litvak's article "The Finances of the ʿUlamāʾ Communities of Najaf and Karbalāʾ, 1796-1904" (Die Welt des Islams, New Series, Vol. 40, Issue 1 (Mar., 2000), pp. 41-66).

That being said, how history played out isn't necessarily a bad thing. This post isn't to be critical of the clerical system.

In any case, while having a risālaḧ isn't a necessary part of being a "mujtahid/marjaʿ", what's the point of being a marjaʿ and not having a risālaḧ that people can refer to in order to know your legal rulings?

wa assalam

[Engineer73]

31 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

I am not a native Farsi speaker. The lady who translated that for me worked a long time on it, to get it just right. If you wait for other members to reply, they can tell you if it is exaggerated or if it is an exact translation. 

Sister, There is no problem in your translation, as far as I understand Persian

[Hameedeh]

43 minutes ago, Engineer73 said:

Sister, There is no problem in your translation, as far as I understand Persian

Then why did you say these words:    this sounds over stressed.

1 hour ago, Engineer73 said:

 this sounds over stressed.

[iraqi_shia]

You can see these fitnah mongers a mile off. Here are their symptoms : 

On 11/20/2016 at 9:43 AM, Abu Hadi said:

The US / Zionist Agenda when it comes to Shia are four things, 

1) Distance the Shia from their knowledgeable and just leadership, i.e. Marjaea'

2) Create fitna between Followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) and between Shia and our Sunni brothers and Sisters

3) Create false accusations and 'news' regarding IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran)

4) Promote Ghulaw(extremism) amoung the Shia. 

If they can find someone who they can sell as an 'alim' who will 'talk up' their agenda (above), they will put him on a golden pedestal and will push wealth and resources in his direction. 

There will always be people with a little bit of knowledge who will be willing to sell their akhira for their dunya. These people have been common in every age. It is the people who are not willing to do this that are rare. 

[Engineer73]

38 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

Then why did you say these words:    this sounds over stressed.

The words of Ayatullah Amoli sounds over stressed to me. Personally, I always keep a distinction between Masoom & Ghair e Masoom. One of that difference is this fact:

"Surah Al-Ahzab, Verse 6:

النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ

The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves."

Masomeen have a greater claim on us and on our wealth than ourselves. So the words of Ayatullah Amoli sounds like he was talking about any Masoom.

[Sirius_Bright]

'Khamenei, the leader of Muslim Ummah' 

Can anyone tell me who gave Ayatullah Khamenei this title? And Muslim ummah means Shias, sunnis and other Islamic sects. So how do you expect other than Shias to accept Ayatullah khamenai as their leader. 

[Engineer73]

"Sermon 136, Nehjul Balagha:

Your allegiance to me was not without thinking….

About the sincerity of his own intention and support of the oppressed (regarding the allegiance paid to him)

ومن كلام له (عليه السلام)

في أمر البيعة

Your allegiance to me was not without thinking, nor is my and your position the same. I seek you for Allah's sake but you seek me for your own benefits. O people! Support me despite your hearts’ desires. By Allah, I will take revenge for the oppressed from the oppressor and will put a string in the nose of the oppressor and drag him to the spring of truthfulness even though he may grudge it."

لَمْ تَكُنْ بَيْعَتُكُمْ إِيَّايَ فَلْتَةً، وَلَيْسَ أَمْرِي وَأَمْرُكُمْ وَاحِداً، إِنِّي أُرِيدُكُمْ للهِ وَأَنْتُمْ تُرِيدُونَنِي لاِنْفُسِكُمْ. أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ، أَعِينُوني عَلى أَنْفُسِكُمْ، وَايْمُ اللهِ لاَنْصِفَنَّ الْمَظْلُومَ، وَلاَقُودَنَّ الظَّالِمَ بِخِزَامَتِهَ حَتَّى أُورِدَهُ مَنْهَلَ الْحَقِّ وَإِنْ كَانَ كَارِهاً.

[Al-Qibli]

On 12/11/2016 at 10:36 AM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

'Khamenei, the leader of Muslim Ummah' 

Can anyone tell me who gave Ayatullah Khamenei this title? And Muslim ummah means Shias, sunnis and other Islamic sects. So how do you expect other than Shias to accept Ayatullah khamenai as their leader. 

Salam,

There are a lot of Sunni who consider him to be a A leader but not THE leader and who cooperate with the IRI.

There is actually no sunni-shia war. It's about the Resistance and those against it wether shia, sunni or whatever.

To those who are critical about the IRI, I want to say the following:

"Put your money where your mouth is."

[Sirius_Bright]

On 12/11/2016 at 1:10 PM, Al-Qibli said:

Salam,

There are a lot of Sunni who consider him to be a A leader but not THE leader and who cooperate with the IRI.

Even many shias do not consider him as their leader let alone a sunni. It is illogical to force down something people's throat.

Again asking. Who gave him the title?

[Al-Qibli]

On 12/11/2016 at 1:14 PM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

Even many shias do not consider him as their leader let alone a sunni. It is illogical to force down something people's throat.

Again asking. Who gave him the title?

Nobody is forcing down to accept him as A leader or THE leader. Second of all, the Imperialists and their mujahidin fishaytan are actually forcing down to condemn him and consider the IRI and their allies as the Axis of Evil.

Those who do are doing it willingly. I do not see him as MY leader but certainly as one who is striving for a righteous cause.

[Sirius_Bright]

6 minutes ago, Al-Qibli said:

To those who are critical about the IRI, I want to say the following:

"Put your money where your mouth is."

And now you are taking it personally. My question was simple. Chill.

[Al-Qibli]

On 12/11/2016 at 1:17 PM, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

And now you are taking it personally. My question was simple. Chill.

I am just confronting you with the truth. Nothing personal at all.

Those scholars who condemn him actually did nothing at all.

[Sirius_Bright]

Just now, Al-Qibli said:

Nobody is forcing down to accept him as A leader or THE leader.

Yes. Correct.

Because just yesterday Abu Bakar baghdadi declared himself as 'Khalifat ul Muslemeen'. So you, me and others did not recognize him.