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Flat Earth Model

Belief assumed earth was completely flat

Day and night could not happen simultaneously

Earth fixed and sun orbiting the earth

Myths were ripe surrounding where the sun set and rose from

Model could only support a single sunrise and sunset point

Model could not support different time zones across the world

Spherical Earth Model

Earth is almost spherical with a few minor exceptions around the poles

Earth orbits the SUN

Earth is spinning to give us day and night simultaneously

SUN is static relative to the earth

Each point on earth has its own sunrise and sunset point

Different time zones supported across the world

Before I present the verses of the Quran that describes the earth, I will start of with the following verse.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:3)

We verily, have made it a Qur'ân in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions).

This verse is clearly telling us that the Quran is meant to be easily understood and not what Dr Naik assumes, by taking us around the universe. Galaxies were not understood at the time the Quran was revealed and hence would have confused the people at the time. Also, as you will notice, all suras I have pointed out were revealed in Makkah, at a time when the prophet was under immense pressure to explain every verse of the Quran clearly. Naik is using fallacy and creating his own science in the Quran.

These are the Descriptive verses

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)

And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.

Sura Taha (20:53)

Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:10)

Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:38)

Till, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says [to his Qarîn (Satan / devil companion)] "Would that between me and you were the distance of the two easts (or the east and west)" a worst (type of) companion (indeed)!

Sura An-Naba (78:6)

Have We not made the earth as a bed,

Sura An-Naziat (79:30)

And after that He spread the earth;

These verses would only be applicable to a flat earth belief

Sura An-Naml (27:61)

Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but most of them know not.

Sura Al-Kahf (18:86)

Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

Sura Al-Kahf (18:90)

Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allâh) had provided no shelter against the sun.

Sura Yasin (36:38)

And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

Sura Yasin (36:40)

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.

All these verses support a Flat earth model that the Quran is describing. I strongly encourage you to read these Suras in their entirety, to prove to yourself that I have not taken or used any verse out of context. If you feel that I have missed any verses which describe or support a spherical model, please provide me the verses from the Quran. Any imaginations not supported by a verse from the Quran will NOT be acceptable.

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Ever heard of the Hollow Earth Theory?

"The Hollow Earth Theory has been around for a long time. While the first concepts were crude, this 'crazy' idea has slowly developed into a viable alternative to the solid Earth model. In light from today's technology, many of our findings point towards a hollow structure as the only method to explain many of today's scientific findings."

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Some say even say that Gog Magog inhabit the inner earth. Dhul Qarnayne locked them in the inner world and they cant come out until the icebergs melt in the north and south..

but Allahs knows best.

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Fun fact:

The sun does orbit something: the center of our galaxy.

For all intents and purposes, the earth is a flat surface for us humans therefore it is proper to speak of our planet in both senses. I don't see calling the earth a "bed" or "carpet" in any way contradictory. Also, people need to understand something very important:

the word "Earth" in those times DID NOT refer to a planet. it referred to an ELEMENT. The solid ground is "the earth" and everything in the expanse of above, the barrier of our planet's atmosphere and beyond is "heaven" Our planet has no actual name.

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23

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Firstly the Holy Quaran isnt a science text book and to treat it as such will lead you in error.

secondly and this relates to the first point is that language is an evolving thing. Something that was immeadiately understood 1400 years ago is misunderstood and debated ad infinutum because how a word was used 1400 years ago might not be how its used today. It is assumed that it means a bed roll rolled out flat, but that not necessarily what it meant.

I could quite easily put together another explanation that would fit understanding of people 1400 years ago and fit a modern scientific outlook as well.

think biosphere, think how much of this earth man actually occupies ie just the very top most skin. ie just the covering, not very deep. simple really

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Well, let me tell you something extremely clever and wise guys who have managed to find an "error" in the Quran:

A carpet which is spread out, the Earth is spread out exactly like that. And it is not a contradiction with "modern science". Because, you see, the carpet is on the surface of the Earth. It is exactly as flat as the Earth, and exactly as curved as the Earth. So, if you increased the length and width of the carpet to the circumference of the Earth, the carpet would form a sphere, too, just exactly the same as the Earth!

So the Quran is right, and the Earth is spread out exactly in the same dimensions as a carpet which is laid on the surface.

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salam alaikum,

 

I recently found out that the earth is flat and that we have all been lied to. After seeing this documentary i believe it is very clear. Next step i did was watch all kinds of space station hoax videos, and they prove to me without a doubt that they are all a lie. this coming video contains all the referenced evidence, and i urge you all to watch it. 

 

Now this goes in line with Allah's description of the world like a carpet spread out. 

 

 

 

good questions would be:

 

Why did they decide around 1600's to lie to us about this? 

 

Will we cross this border after the zuhoor?

 

thanks

 

wasalaam

 

 

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The video does not go into that, but i don't see these as proofs of earth being round. As long as the earth is not like a ramp going up on the edges, it would make sense that we don't see beyond a certain distance. I'm sure the ant doesn't see that far either in their microverse, which doesn't have anything to do with the world being spherical or straight. From what i was taught about gravity in our educational system, it applies to any body, wether it is spherical, cone shaped or brick shaped. It always points towards the center of that object, the way it would with a sphere. 

 

http://www.tutorvista.com/content/physics/physics-i/forces/center-gravity.php

 

i would strongly advice you to watch the video, which gets better after the first third. It is based on referenced evidence that to me is often undeniable.

 

thanks

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Brother even your thread has false information. Even if Islam were false, the prophet would've believed the Earth was at least spherical (it's not completely round- oval). The concept of a spherical Earth was around since 6th century before christ, until taken to be fact 3rd century before christ. There's quite a chunk on islamic astronomy too. 

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From what i was taught about gravity in our educational system, it applies to any body, wether it is spherical, cone shaped or brick shaped. It always points towards the center of that object, the way it would with a sphere.

So if the world is flat, why don't we have very strong gravity at the center and weak gravity far from the center? Furthermore, I'm sure we have members of this site who have traveled all the way around the earth, making earth at least cylindrical, not flat.

The solar system is flattish if you exclude the Kuiper Belt, as is the spiral Milky Way galaxy, but the worlds are not.

Edited by notme

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Wassalam alaikum,

Brother, I am somewhat disappointed that you decided to believe that the Earth is flat. Now, I will watch the video later but you do know that you don't need space technology to prove that Earth is spherical, it's something that you can do at home with a orange, a reading lamp and a couple of nails. First, place your orange on the table, and turn on the reading lamp. Using the side of the orange the light is hitting, insert a needle directly where the light is shining. You should see that this needle has a very short shadow, like a little black dot. Then using a ruler and staying on the same side, take the second and move between 1.3 to 2 inches towards the darker areas. By doing this, you will notice that the shadow of the second needle is much longer than the first due to distance and the only way for that to happen is if the surface was round. This also happens here on Earth which means our planet and home is a sphere or spherical in shape versus being flat.

P.S. Please be very careful with what you watch on YouTube, anybody can twist facts and make up anything there.

Edited by Gaius I. Caesar

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^^ this shadow is created because the sun moves along a dome shape like a half sphere . That's no proof of the earth itself being round.

We need to question everything we've been taught including the stories with our earth being like planets.

Thank you all for your responses, but I would rather discuss after you've watched the video, because that's where all the evidence is.

Thank you

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We need to question everything 

 

I don't disagree with that but you cannot stop the questioning after a two hour video.

 

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Aristotle:

 

How else would eclipses of the moon show segments shaped as we see them? As it is, the shapes which the moon itself each month shows are of every kind straight, gibbous, and concave-but in eclipses the outline is always curved: and, since it is the interposition of the earth that makes the eclipse, the form of this line will be caused by the form of the earth's surface, which is therefore spherical.
Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the earth is circular, but also that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon. There is much change, I mean, in the stars which are overhead, and the stars seen are different, as one moves northward or southward. Indeed there are some stars seen in Egypt and in the neighbourhood of Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions; and stars, which in the north are never beyond the range of observation, in those regions rise and set. All of which goes to show not only that the earth is circular in shape, but also that it is a sphere of no great size: for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.

 

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I can't believe someone still believes the Earth is flat and is trying to defend that...I'm seriously cracking up laughing reading this thread.

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

no, but seriously (if that's possible at this point)...the basic confirmation you need that the Earth is round is the shadow it casts on the Moon. 

 

A round shadow can only be cast by a round object... :rolleyes:

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so not a single person watched the video and is addressing the evidence there?

 

@Mohammed Ali & Akbar673

 

there are many theories concerning the moon that are a different topic. Having a shadow on the moon that is round is not evidence of a sphere. It could be equally created by a disk or cone shape. It could also be that the shape comes from somewhere else. There are many other theories that i would rather not go into here, as i would rather focus on the earth being flat first. 

 

@notme

 

The real map of the world is that of the UN, it is also round. Round does not necessarily mean spherical. That in itself is not evidence. And as i said earlier, we need to question what planets and stars are again. It seems we have been lied to about this as well.

 

 

 

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

 

Mark Twain

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Lets take the common world map as an example. How would someone go from Japan to the US if the earth is not spherical? I believe I speak by others when I say no one feels even motivated to watch the video as it is a fact proven by many methods, many of which we can ourselves check, like GC said.

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so not a single person watched the video and is addressing the evidence there?

 

@Mohammed Ali & Akbar673

 

there are many theories concerning the moon that are a different topic. Having a shadow on the moon that is round is not evidence of a sphere. It could be equally created by a disk or cone shape. It could also be that the shape comes from somewhere else. There are many other theories that i would rather not go into here, as i would rather focus on the earth being flat first. 

 

@notme

 

The real map of the world is that of the UN, it is also round. Round does not necessarily mean spherical. That in itself is not evidence. And as i said earlier, we need to question what planets and stars are again. It seems we have been lied to about this as well.

 

 

 

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

 

Mark Twain

I watched the first hour of the video and although the guy presents his ideas logically and intelligently, I am simply not convinced. To cover up the idea of a flat Earth is simply too big to hidden for this long. Besides the shadow cast on the Moon by the Earth is round, which can be only casted by a round object. Personally, I find the Hollow Earth theory much more logically realistic and feasible in terms of a cover-up than the Flat Earth theory.

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3) Another favorite “proof” of ball-Earthers is the appearance from an observer on shore of ships’ hulls being obfuscated by the water and disappearing from view when sailing away towards the horizon. Their claim is that ship’s hulls disappear before their mast-heads because the ship is beginning its declination around the convex curvature of the ball-Earth. Once again, however, their hasty conclusion is drawn from a faulty premise, namely that only on a ball-Earth can this phenomenon occur. The fact of the matter is that the Law of Perspective on plane surfaces dictates and necessitates the exact same occurrence. For example a girl wearing a dress walking away towards the horizon will appear to sink into the Earth the farther away she walks. Her feet will disappear from view first and the distance between the ground and the bottom of her dress will gradually diminish until after about half a mile it seems like her dress is touching the ground as she walks on invisible legs. The same happens with cars speeding away, the axles gradually get lower and the wheels vanish until it appears as if the car is gliding along its body. Such is the case on plane surfaces, the lowest parts of objects receding from a given point of observation necessarily disappear before the highest. 

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“This law of Perspective meets us on every hand; and cannot be gainsaid. If, in a straight line, we look at a frozen lake from a certain distance, we shall observe people who appear to be skating on their knees, but, if we approach sufficiently near, we shall see them performing graceful motions on their feet. Farther, if we look through a straight tunnel, we shall notice that the roof and the roadway below converge to a point of light at the end. It is the same law which makes the hills sink, to the horizon, as the observer recedes, which explains how the ship's hull disappears in the offing. I would also remark that when the sea is undisturbed by waves, the hull can be restored to sight by the aid of a good telescope long after it has disappeared from the naked eye, thus proving that the ship had not gone down behind the watery hill of a convex globe, but is still sailing on the level of a Plane sea.” -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (75)

Not only is the disappearance of ship’s hulls explained by the Law of Perspective, it is proven undeniably true with the aid of a good telescope. If you watch a ship sailing away into the horizon with the naked eye until its hull has completely disappeared from view under the supposed “curvature of the Earth,” then look through a telescope, you will notice the entire ship quickly zooms back into view, hull and all, proving that the disappearance was caused by the Law of Perspective, and not by a wall of curved water!

“On any frozen lake or canal, notably on the ‘Bedford Canal,’ in the county of Cambridge, in winter and on a clear day, skaters may be observed several miles away, seeming to glide along upon limbs without feet--skates and boots quite invisible to the unaided eye, but distinctly visible through a good telescope. But even on the sea, when the water is very calm, if a vessel is observed until it is just ‘hull down,’ a powerful telescope turned upon it will restore the hull to sight. From which it must be concluded that the lower part of a receding ship disappears through the influence of perspective, and not from sinking behind the summit of a convex surface.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (216)

 

more detailed in here:

 

http://ifers.boards.net/thread/311/flat-earth-debunking-videos

 

also, check this out:

 

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

 

 

can anybody who watched the video in post #1 please come forward and give their opinion? What about the second video about space station and space travel haox? 

Edited by peace seeker II

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That bit about "Law of Perspective" is false. It doesn't hold up to logic nor evidence. When you look at an airplane in the sky, the whole plane is visible as long as you can see it. It's nose or tail or wing or whatever doesn't disappear first as it gets farther away, though it is much farther away than ships vanishing over the horizon or cars or people vanishing over the horizon on an open plain. But maybe if you could explain the logic behind it, the fact that evidence doesn't support it won't matter and everyone will be convinced.

And what about people traveling around the whole earth?

And what about gravity being approximately constant? That wouldn't make sense on a flat earth unless Newton lied about gravity too.

The "hoax" of the round earth has been extant since at least 500 BC when Greek mathematician Pythagoras wrote about the spherical earth. It wasn't until the Catholic Church ruled Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire that it became illegal in Europe to claim that the Bible wasn't literally factual and the earth was the only world and all the bodies in the sky went around it. Many people were put to death for their calculations and observations but eventually the evidence was too much to deny and The Church had to relent and admit that the earth is round and goes around the sun.

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