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Renewal of 10-year sanctions against Iran

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US hypocrisy gets right under my skin. They do it so openly too. While the people are too busy with E.T. terror fiction the league of mad extraordinary gentleman are cooking up more ways of poisoning the world. Whats worse - they get away with it! 

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1 minute ago, saas said:

US hypocrisy gets right under my skin. They do it so openly too. While the people are too busy with E.T. terror fiction the league of mad extraordinary gentleman are cooking up more ways of poisoning the world. Whats worse - they get away with it! 

I hope the pro-West population in Iran realises why you're better off having America as an enemy than as a friend, because them being your friend will mean you bowing down to everything they want, which means you lose your national sovereignty and identity all for worldly money and greed. Americans are too concerned with their tv shows/movies/celebrities, someone the other day asked me if American non-muslims could visit Dubai and I just shook my head at the thought of someone having to ask me that question in the first place. 

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The act doesn't actually authorize or impose any additional sanctions. Under the current nuclear deal, it only gives approval from the Congress to snap sanctions back if Iran "violates" the deal- an approval which isn't actually needed for the re-imposal of sanctions. It's more figurative than anything.

"But sanctions experts say that Menendez and his colleagues on Capitol Hill are vastly overstating the importance of renewing Iran Sanctions Act. Since it was passed in 1996, Congress and the White House have imposed a series of additional sanctions that have had a far greater impact on Iran’s economy. And even if the 1996 law expires, the president could unilaterally reimpose those sanctions under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)."

And if this bill did actually re-impose American sanctions, it would definitely trigger a response from Iran, which has thus far been lacking following the approval of the bill.

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1 hour ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

The act doesn't actually authorize or impose any additional sanctions. Under the current nuclear deal, it only gives approval from the Congress to snap sanctions back if Iran "violates" the deal- an approval which isn't actually needed for the re-imposal of sanctions. It's more figurative than anything.

"But sanctions experts say that Menendez and his colleagues on Capitol Hill are vastly overstating the importance of renewing Iran Sanctions Act. Since it was passed in 1996, Congress and the White House have imposed a series of additional sanctions that have had a far greater impact on Iran’s economy. And even if the 1996 law expires, the president could unilaterally reimpose those sanctions under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)."

And if this bill did actually re-impose American sanctions, it would definitely trigger a response from Iran, which has thus far been lacking following the approval of the bill.

It sounds like the epitome of hypocrisy to me, Iran has abided by the deal and instead of thinking about that and moving toward I don't know maybe seeing if you can cooperate on business etc., here you go again being the pathetic warmongering cowards that you will always be. Meanwhile, no one discusses Israel's land grabbing rampage or Saudis war crimes in Yemen. 

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49 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

It sounds like the epitome of hypocrisy to me, Iran has abided by the deal and instead of thinking about that and moving toward I don't know maybe seeing if you can cooperate on business etc., here you go again being the pathetic warmongering cowards that you will always be. Meanwhile, no one discusses Israel's land grabbing rampage or Saudis war crimes in Yemen. 

Brother, when truth is taken as falsehood and falsehood is taken as truth, be prepared for the coming of Imam Mahdi a.s Inshallah. We see all the signs, Inshallah its very near, Inshallah. Allahuma ajalee walaekal faraj.ZULFIQAR.jpg

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George W Bush said it perfectly, your either with us or against us.

Meaning what ever US does, good bad or extremely evil THE WORLD MUST SAY YES MASTER YOU ARE CORRECT !!!

So should any human be surprised NO, should we worry NO why? because nothing will ever happen without the Will of Allah swt.

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2 hours ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

 

And if this bill did actually re-impose American sanctions, it would definitely trigger a response from Iran, which has thus far been lacking following the approval of the bill.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950907001435

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YES! Rip up this deal, when can you ever trust these pathetic spineless panderers to abide by anything anyway? I wonder if for once this will isolate America not Iran, or will the other puppets on this deal also buy America's BS narrative about these sanctions giving them leverage over Tehran if they ever violate the deal, even though they have successfully abided by it for over a year. http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/12/02/496176/Iran-US-parliament-congress-ISA-Akbar-Ranjbarzadeh

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Hello,

Why would a country discontinue sanctions on a country that continues to imprison it's citizens?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iranian-american-art-dealer-wife-detained-iran-43932054

Perhaps, when Iran starts behaving at least somewhat within the realm of international decency countries will discontinue economic policies designed to dissuade bad behavior. 

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David

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47 minutes ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Why would a country discontinue sanctions on a country that continues to imprison it's citizens?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iranian-american-art-dealer-wife-detained-iran-43932054

Perhaps, when Iran starts behaving at least somewhat within the realm of international decency countries will discontinue economic policies designed to dissuade bad behavior. 

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David

First of all, imprisoning nationals of other countries by no means legitimizes the sanctioning of that country. Sanctions are far too big of a deal to impose or discontinue simply because another country enforces its laws on people within its borders. Suggesting that Iran be sanctioned, solely because there is some person possessing American citizenship serving a jail sentence somewhere inside Iran, just continues to show your highly simplistic understanding of international relations.

Also, you do not decide what is within the realms of international decency, and neither does your country. An action outside American interests is not automatically outside international law. Iran has complete rights to prosecute those who choose to enter its borders and proceed to violate its law, and that does not give the USA the right to play with the economic well-being of 77 million people. Nor should the USA be under some sort of illusion that it is a global policeman charged with the task of punishing naughty nations. 

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Hello,

9 minutes ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

First of all, imprisoning nationals of other countries by no means legitimizes the sanctioning of that country. Sanctions are far too big of a deal to impose or discontinue simply because another country enforces its laws on people within its borders. Suggesting that Iran be sanctioned, solely because there is some person possessing American citizenship serving a jail sentence somewhere inside Iran, just continues to show your highly simplistic understanding of international relations.

Also, you do not decide what is within the realms of international decency and neither does your country. An action outside American interests is not automatically outside international law. Iran has complete rights to prosecute those who choose to enter its borders and proceed to violate its law, and that does not give the USA the right to play with the economic well-being of 77 million people. Nor should the USA be under some sort of illusion that it is a global policeman charged with the task of punishing naughty nations. 

The answer to both of the emboldened sentences is, Yes we do.  It is quite simple.  For instance, maybe there is a company that treats their employees poorly or treats their customers poorly or engages in business practices you are not comfortable with.  You are well within your rights to not deal with such a company.  The same is true regarding the United States prohibiting United States companies from dealing with Iran.

Also, these people being imprisoned and held in isolation have nothing to do with American interest or violating Iranian law.  They are being imprisoned and held as pawns by the Republican Guard.  An organization that is self funded and does not answer to the Iranian people or their elected representatives.  The Republican Guard controls a large portion of the Iranian economy.  And, to maintain this lucrative control they do all they can to stoke the flames of conflict between Iran and the West.

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23 minutes ago, David66 said:

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The answer to both of the emboldened sentences is, Yes we do.  It is quite simple.  For instance, maybe there is a company that treats their employees poorly or treats their customers poorly or engages in business practices you are not comfortable with.  You are well within your rights to not deal with such a company.  The same is true regarding the United States prohibiting United States companies from dealing with Iran.

Also, these people being imprisoned and held in isolation have nothing to do with American interest or violating Iranian law.  They are being imprisoned and held as pawns by the Republican Guard.  An organization that is self funded and does not answer to the Iranian people or their elected representatives.  The Republican Guard controls a large portion of the Iranian economy.  And, to maintain this lucrative control they do all they can to stoke the flames of conflict between Iran and the West.

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David

Your analogy to a company's relation with its customers is entirely inapplicable for the matter at hand, because we are discussing international politics, not customer service. A very insignificant action in the forum that is global diplomacy can have widespread effects, as we are seeing from the controversy Mr. Trump's informal discussions with foreign leaders has caused today. Like I said earlier, treating sanctions and the direct livelihood of tens of millions of people with such carelessness is highly irresponsible, and would definitely trigger a response from the affected nation. It's not as simple as an "Us vs Them" scenario in our economically globalized world today. Taking out a country with one of the highest GDPs in the world from trade will obviously affect any country's economy in a very adverse way- and with a regional superpower like Iran, the affected country cannot be expected to simply roll over and give up, like a dissatisfied customer might. A hawkish action-reaction based foreign policy such as the one you are advocating for only leads to regional conflict, indirect warfare through pawns, poverty, and ultimately, a poorer standard of living for the uninvolved masses- in other words, a no-win situation.

If the lawmakers of your own country believed that one arrest was enough aggravation for the imposal of sanctions, they would have been imposed already. You also failed to provide proof for your claim that the USA defines the standards of international decency. Lastly, as for your point regarding the Republican Guards (by which I am assuming you mean the Revolutionary Guards), the fear of American aggression is the sole reason conservatives have been able to maintain power in Iran over the last several decades, and any recent change over the last few years has been driven by the desire of the people to free themselves from long years of economic difficulty. Re-imposing sanctions would only fan the flames of the dying fire.

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3 hours ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Why would a country discontinue sanctions on a country that continues to imprison it's citizens?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iranian-american-art-dealer-wife-detained-iran-43932054

Perhaps, when Iran starts behaving at least somewhat within the realm of international decency countries will discontinue economic policies designed to dissuade bad behavior. 

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David

LOL @your comment . America has no position to determine what international decency standards are. Look at how many people its evil empire has killed and tortured, when you address that you can talk about "international decency." Given America's history with Iran, Iran has every right to be distrustful of America, more so than America has to be distrustful of Iran. 1953- Overthrowing of Iran's democracy because it wouldn't bow to their hegemony, 1979/1980-The Hostage crisis was because America wouldn't return the Shah to Iran, whom they wanted to try, so he could face consequences for his actions, 1980-1988-heavily armed Saddam in the war against Iran, some people in Iran are still suffering the consequences of this brutal war, not to mention America attacked Iran's oil fields and navy without declaring war, and then before the war ended, America shot down a civilian Iranian aircraft. All of this while America continued to label Iran as a "state sponsor of terrorism" because of the Beirut Barracks bombing despite the fact that it was Israel that impeached Lebanese sovereignty as they continue to do today with the Palestinians, but funny how terrorism flies out the window when its you shooting down a civilian plane, eh? Also, finally when there was an opportunity to move forward with relations and cooperate after 9/11, because Iran had to deal with Al Qaeda on its border, a "supposed American adversary" (I say supposed because they armed them in Syria), what did Bush do? Labelled them in the axis of evil, and imposed further sanctions on its nuclear program, despite intelligence confirming repeatedly that its program was peaceful, and there was no evidence Iran was developing nuclear weapons. Iran has in fact called for a region-wide disarmament, Israel wouldn't be too happy with it now would it? And would America get Israel to disarm? Some real double standards man, is that the definition of decent international standards now? And now that there's a opportunity to move forward with this deal, which btw does not mention arresting of American citizens, we're back to square one. When you make a deal you stick with it, don't tell me you stick to it but then make up other restrictions and add them to the deal when they weren't part of it in the first place. John Kerry tried to even get the senate to not vote for renewal of sanctions, but obviously with heavily paid AIPAC slaves what else can you expect? Someone from the administration even said there was no need to renew sanctions, and that if Iran violated the nuclear agreement, no approval would be needed to reimpose sanctions, which is the rationale behind imposing these sanctions. 

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Hello,

It is obvious you do not understand the influence of Iran's Revolutionary Guard in Iranian diplomacy and it's economy.  And, I predict Ayatollah Khamenei will be the last Ayatollah able to control the Guard.  Time will tell if this is true.

Here is an article you may find enlightening...

http://www.cfr.org/iran/irans-revolutionary-guards/p14324

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3 hours ago, David66 said:

Hello,

Why would a country discontinue sanctions on a country that continues to imprison it's citizens?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iranian-american-art-dealer-wife-detained-iran-43932054

Perhaps, when Iran starts behaving at least somewhat within the realm of international decency countries will discontinue economic policies designed to dissuade bad behavior. 

All the Best,

David

Comes from the dude whom belongs to a country that owns Guantanamo Bay(and many other cells around europe and world). You don't only steal people, imprison them and torture them. You steal them from other countries..............not a fair trial, nothing. 

International decency...lol....Hypocrisy at its best. 

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14 hours ago, David66 said:

I predict Ayatollah Khamenei will be the last Ayatollah able to control the Guard.  Time will tell if this is true.

Previous american warmongers -who were relatively smarter and wiser than the above troll- had developed similar delusions about Imam Khomeini, and time told them to go **** *********.

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On 12/2/2016 at 4:08 AM, Shaykh Patience101 said:

The act doesn't actually authorize or impose any additional sanctions. Under the current nuclear deal, it only gives approval from the Congress to snap sanctions back if Iran "violates" the deal- an approval which isn't actually needed for the re-imposal of sanctions. It's more figurative than anything.

"But sanctions experts say that Menendez and his colleagues on Capitol Hill are vastly overstating the importance of renewing Iran Sanctions Act. Since it was passed in 1996, Congress and the White House have imposed a series of additional sanctions that have had a far greater impact on Iran’s economy. And even if the 1996 law expires, the president could unilaterally reimpose those sanctions under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)."

And if this bill did actually re-impose American sanctions, it would definitely trigger a response from Iran, which has thus far been lacking following the approval of the bill.

The extension of ISA has already violated the deal:

Form the main text of JCPOA (Iran's deal with 5+1)

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The United States commits to cease the application of, and to seek such legislative action as may be appropriate to terminate, or modify to effectuate the termination of, all nuclear-related sanctions[6] as specified in Sections 4.1-4.9 below, ...
4.2.1. Sanctions on the provision of underwriting services, insurance, or reinsurance in connection with activities consistent with this JCPOA, including activities with individuals and entities set forth in Attachment 3 to this Annex (Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 (ISA) Section 5(a)(7);
4.3.1. ...and the nations that can purchase Iranian crude oil (ISA Section 5(a)(7);
4.3.2. ... and petrochemical sectors (ISA Sections 5(a)(1)-(2) and (4)-(8)
4.3.4. ... petrochemical products to Iran (ISA Section 5(a)(3);
4.8.1. ....(Removal of designations and/or sanctions imposed under ISA Section
5(a), 
1. Sanctions on joint ventures relating to the mining, production, or transportation of uranium (ISA Section 5(b)(2));

The recent legislative action (extending the ISA) contradicts the commitment explicitly stated above.

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Wow! This is the epitome of pathetic pandering to AIPAC, and the dude from Washington is clueless as to how agreements work. He is basically trying to say whoops Iran seems to have benefitted too much from this agreement and the "American People" don't like the agreement, so we can now amend it, despite it being an international deal and one that if we're going to include the discussion of different people, why aren't the Iranian people included in this. Not to mention, speaking of the American people, most of the people in The US probably don't even know this deal exists, or even where Iran is. http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/11/23/494897/US-sanctions-Iran-JCPOA-House-of-Representatives

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"21. The United States will cease the application, and will continue to do so, in accordance with this JCPOA of the sanctions specified in Annex II to take effect simultaneously with the IAEA-verified implementation of the agreed nuclear related measures by Iran as specified in Annex V. Such sanctions cover the following areas as described in Annex II:"  (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, Page 11, Item 21)

Has the International Atomic Energy Agency verified implementation by Iran of Annex V?

Since adoption of the agreement Iran has tried to frame it as an immediate and complete removal of all sanctions.  That is just not accurate.  And, Iran has tried to portray anything short of immediate and complete removal of sanctions as a violation of the agreement.  Again, not true.  But, as we see, they will use this issue to rile up the masses.

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Yes, Iran has abided by its nuclear obligations, the Obama Administration has agreed to this as well, which is why he was against Trump redoing or renegotiating this deal, because he said it doesn't make sense to undo a deal that's working. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-obama-trump-plans/, this is CNN btw, not Iranian media. 

Also, people in the White House have said that this act does not need to be signed to allow sanctions to be reimposed if Iran is ever found to violate the deal, its very straightforward to reimpose sanctions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/15/house-to-vote-on-two-sanctions-bills-sending-foreign-policy-message-on-iran-and-syria/?utm_term=.fa7339eb8541. "Since then, the Obama White House has indicated that it thinks the ISA is unnecessary, asserting that the president already has the authority to sanction Tehran over any violations of the deal, as well as over recent ballistic missile activity and other aggressive moves. Congressional leaders don’t accept this argument." They don't accept it because they're heavily influenced by the Israeli and Saudi lobbies who fill their pockets and wouldn't want to do anything to upset them. 

 

 
 
 
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12 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Yes, Iran has abided by its nuclear obligations, the Obama Administration has agreed to this as well, which is why he was against Trump redoing or renegotiating this deal, because he said it doesn't make sense to undo a deal that's working. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-obama-trump-plans/, this is CNN btw, not Iranian media. 

Also, people in the White House have said that this act does not need to be signed to allow sanctions to be reimposed if Iran is ever found to violate the deal, its very straightforward to reimpose sanctions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/15/house-to-vote-on-two-sanctions-bills-sending-foreign-policy-message-on-iran-and-syria/?utm_term=.fa7339eb8541. "Since then, the Obama White House has indicated that it thinks the ISA is unnecessary, asserting that the president already has the authority to sanction Tehran over any violations of the deal, as well as over recent ballistic missile activity and other aggressive moves. Congressional leaders don’t accept this argument." They don't accept it because they're heavily influenced by the Israeli and Saudi lobbies who fill their pockets and wouldn't want to do anything to upset them.

Yes?

Nothing you posted indicates the IAEA has verified Iran's complete implementation of Annex V.

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On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 7:17 PM, David66 said:

Hello,

Why would a country discontinue sanctions on a country that continues to imprison it's citizens?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iranian-american-art-dealer-wife-detained-iran-43932054

Perhaps, when Iran starts behaving at least somewhat within the realm of international decency countries will discontinue economic policies designed to dissuade bad behavior. 

All the Best,

David

What a joke!

That is why US is imposing sanctions on Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Pakistan, and 100s of other countries for the sake of humanity and for imprisonment of their citizens? That was the cheapest response ever on this forum. It is like we don't know anything about the state of human rights in the US and those countries who are best buddies of America.

For cheap oil the US politicians and (many citizens perhaps people like you) could even sell their humanity in no time, else the entire world knows the rules, laws, and behavior dictatorships that US is dealing with. The Muslim dictators and monarchists, state of IsraHell, the African gangs, the corrupt Asian countries and groups, the terrorist organizations, from Alqaida to Al-Nusra, and the little criminal puppets from Mexico to Brazil.

Try to sell these cheap excuses in a different planet whose creatures never been to our planet and have no idea of our history!

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3 minutes ago, Noah- said:

What a joke!

That is why US is imposing sanctions on Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Pakistan, and 100s of other countries for the sake of humanity and for imprisonment of their citizens? That was the cheapest response ever on this forum. It is like we don't know anything about the state of human rights in the US and those countries who are best buddies of America.

For cheap oil the US politicians and (many citizens perhaps people like you) could even sell their humanity in no time, else the entire world knows the rules, laws, and behavior of dictatorships that US is dealing with. The Muslim dictators and monarchists, state of IsraHell, the African gangs, the corrupt Asian countries and groups, the terrorist organizations, from Alqaida to Al-Nusra, and the little criminal puppets from Mexico to Brazil.

Try to sell these cheap excuses in a different planet whose creatures never been to our planet and have no idea of our history!

 

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