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Wikileaks reveals US/Sayed khomeini links

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5 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Hypothetical question: if wikileaks revealed a link between yasser habib/ sayed shirazi and the USA, would you all be as quick to defend them & denounce wikileaks for being fasiqeen?

We can see their actions now with our eyes, we dont need a wiki leak to see what their agenda is.

I find it quite hard to see how a Muslim, shia can think the way you do.  Im not sure if your just trolling for the attention or you genuinely think these ideas need to be explored.

 

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Which genius came up with this expression? "The proof is in the pudding."

 

That's all it takes to completely dispel the notion of a Khomeini-US-Israeli-Hojjatiyeh super axis. 

 

The proof is in the pudding. Why would a US agent overthrow the darling donkey of the US? And why would the US government spend so much resources and effort into undermining their own agent?

 

It doesn't take four pages to ask (and answer) such a simple question.

 

Everything else is just hype.

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4 minutes ago, baradar_jackson said:

Which genius came up with this expression? "The proof is in the pudding."

 

That's all it takes to completely dispel the notion of a Khomeini-US-Israeli-Hojjatiyeh super axis. 

 

The proof is in the pudding. Why would a US agent overthrow the darling donkey of the US? And why would the US government spend so much resources and effort into undermining their own agent?

 

It doesn't take four pages to ask (and answer) such a simple question.

 

Everything else is just hype.

seems there is a lack of logic in shiachat

 

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Even if this is true, I don't see the issue, you have to be wise in politics and that's exactly what Khomeini was. The greater good the Islamic revolution brought; such as creation of Hezbollah to defeat Zionists, who are the enemies of Islam and their work today in defeating the Wahhabi scumbags in Syria, the other enemies of Islam has been in my view, an excellent product of the Islamic revolution. The tactics Ayatollah Khomeini used to bring about this revolution are justified.

Edited by Mohamed1993

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2 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Even if this is true, I don't see the issue, you have to be slick in politics and that's exactly what Khomeini was. The greater good the Islamic revolution brought; such as creation of Hezbollah to defeat Zionists, who are the enemies of Islam and their work today in defeating the Wahhabi scumbags in Syria, the other enemies of Islam has been in my view, an excellent product of the Islamic revolution. The tactics Ayatollah Khomeini used to bring about this revolution are justified.

I couldn't "Like" this post because Ayatollah Khomeini was not a 'slick' politician. Did you ever read his "Warning to the Nation"?  Awareness is not a negative quality. The Shah at the time was -at a minimum- convivial with the Nazis.

Another reason is "The greater good of the lslamic Revolution" is not the formation of ad hoc, short-term political moves, but in the reassertion of decency, resistance to Western Satanistic thought-processes, and its general anti-imperialistic tone.

That the Gulf States are self-degenerating is another issue.

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1 minute ago, kirtc said:

 

I think I was misunderstood, I meant there was a lack of logic in the thread topic, and not in what I quoted. 

You remember when your teachers would ask for everyone to write their short-opinions or quick reactions to, say, a film and then later say they got a wide variety of responses?

Often, the same thing here on SC.

a la AuH2O, "Extremism in the Defense of Liberty -is NO VICE." So, on SC, everyone is entitled to write whatever they wish (within the 'rules'). No matter how much Big Mother Gov't doesn't like it.

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6 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

I couldn't "Like" this post because Ayatollah Khomeini was not a 'slick' politician. Did you ever read his "Warning to the Nation"?  Awareness is not a negative quality. The Shah at the time was -at a minimum- convivial with the Nazis.

Another reason is "The greater good of the lslamic Revolution" is not the formation of ad hoc, short-term political moves, but in the reassertion of decency, resistance to Western Satanistic thought-processes, and its general anti-imperialistic tone.

That the Gulf States are self-degenerating is another issue.

I should've said wise instead of slick. Hezbollah is a form of what you just described btw, I don't see it as an ad-hoc, short-term political movement. Zionism and Wahhabism are a threat to humanity and are therefore, indecent, both are Western and Imperialist puppets, and therefore, opposing them makes you anti-West/anti-Imperialist.

Edited by Mohamed1993

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If it wasn't for Ayt.Khomeini, I don't think there would be anything called "the resistance" today. The USA/Israel would have their hegemony in the middle east, there would be no one to support Hizbullah/Palestine/Yemen. Anyway if you read one book of Khomeini, it won't take long to realize that this man is enlightened. After reading just one of his books, with out knowing what wliayat el fakih is I automatically supported it. And i was not disappointed after more research into the subject. It saddens me that there are so many shia that have the same level of ignorance as everyone else in the west and GCC countries. Even if you don't believe in the wilayat el fakih, we should trust Iran as an Islamic superpower to be leading the Islamic world, and I say that as a non-Iranian. 

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1 hour ago, repenter said:

I was told about this thread now in chat......but im not even going to comment. It's beyond silly. 

Guilty!!! I already commented twice on it.

As far as our dear brother @DigitalUmmah, Muharram and Safer are over, Eid-ul-Shuja is fast approaching, times for blood matam is over till next 10 months, bro DU has tons of times at hand, and he doesn't go for blood donations.

So what remains is him, us, and Marjeyya.

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1-The main text of the alleged secret message doesn't prove things that are claimed here. In fact it has a certain threatening tone in some parts. So it's more of "we wanna do something in our country, you'd better back off, we won't hurt you." But the way the OP reported it, is as if he had said "O dear Americans just help me, I'll serve you better than Shah."

2- It is logical to think that this message was a secret in the eyes of Iranian leadership, but why Americans kept it as secret so long? They could've used it against Imam Khomeini and chnaged Iranian public opinion in that very hostage situation. 

3-In Shia movements, and any justice-seeking movements in general, the accusation of "people at the top are all the same and betrayed us the peasant" is a rather old propaganda. It's pure lack of basira to buy it. There are historical examples of it, sunnis telling Shia "why do you get overheated over karbala, after all, upon the realization of Kufan treason, Imam Husayn changed his mind and wanted to pay allegiance to Yazd." (This sunni line of thought is already accepted by some west-oriented Iranians)

4- And the duality of public slogan "marg bar u.s." and the alleged realtions behind the scenes.  Just to give an example,  Shia Imams wanted their followers to curse their enemies, why didn't they curs that very enemy in the face even once?

Edited by mesbah

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1 hour ago, kirtc said:

If it wasn't for Ayt.Khomeini, I don't think there would be anything called "the resistance" today. The USA/Israel would have their hegemony in the middle east, there would be no one to support Hizbullah/Palestine/Yemen. Anyway if you read one book of Khomeini, it won't take long to realize that this man is enlightened. After reading just one of his books, with out knowing what wliayat el fakih is I automatically supported it. And i was not disappointed after more research into the subject. It saddens me that there are so many shia that have the same level of ignorance as everyone else in the west and GCC countries. Even if you don't believe in the wilayat el fakih, we should trust Iran as an Islamic superpower to be leading the Islamic world, and I say that as a non-Iranian. 

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I said it before, I am going to say it again....If it wasn't for Islamic Republic of Iran, all of us would be the slave of Zionist Jews/Saudi Wahabia , specially the people who are on their payroll and come here dressed as Shias. Their extremist views should have given us a clue as to who they really are. May Allah swt destroy and eradicate the enemies of Ahlul Bayt a.s along with their supporters and sympathizers Inshallah, Ameen Ya Rabbil Aalameen.

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