Wikileaks reveals US/Sayed khomeini links

[Spiritual 325]

4 minutes ago, A true Sunni said:

Funny guy talking about 'image' when you are blood letting wannabe. 

Funny how image is so important to you but the rest of world can go to hell. Self centred wannabee

Here is another case of "daemi phitkar". 

[A true Sunni 1,673]

7 minutes ago, Spiritual said:

Here is another case of "daemi phitkar". 

Sad individual. 

[Soldiers and Saffron 6,190]

Stop this type of talking to each other brothers... your only pleasing ibliss(la).

 

36 minutes ago, Spiritual said:

First excuse me for my mistake, it was Ayatullah Khomeini.

His image got hurt in my sight. He was my Marja e Taqleed. I loved him too much. He declared America as big satan, this thread/ news surprised me.

Hmm, but lets examine this. 

You said that you "loved him too much"  what do you mean by "too much"? 

Also, if you say that you "loved him" does that mean that you do not love him anymore? And if not, based on what did you stop the love for him on? Based on this? Is it cold facts what you read here or is it unproven statements?

 

[Spiritual 325]

2 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Stop this type of talking to each other brothers... your only pleasing ibliss(la).

 

Hmm, but lets examine this. 

You said that you "loved him too much"  what do you mean by "too much"? 

Also, if you say that you "loved him" does that mean that you do not love him anymore? And if not, based on what did you stop the love for him on? Based on this? Is it cold facts what you read here or is it unproven statements?

 

When I was a student, I was a very active member of ISO (Imamia Student Organization), we were attracted by the Iranian islamic revolution. We participate in lectures, we worked hard during the Iran-Iraq war and much more which is a long story. Imam Khomeini remains my Marja till his death and after that I switched to Ayatullah Sistani.

I cannot say for sure that I love him at the moment like i loved him during my student life. At that time i was unaware of many things which i know now. But as a whole i still respect him that's why i expressed my surprise after viewing this news.

 

 

[Soldiers and Saffron 6,190]

1 minute ago, Spiritual said:

When I was a student, I was a very active member of ISO (Imamia Student Organization), we were attracted by the Iranian islamic revolution. We participate in lectures, we worked hard during the Iran-Iraq war and much more which is a long story. Imam Khomeini remains my Marja till his death and after that I switched to Ayatullah Sistani.

I cannot say for sure that I love him at the moment like i loved him during my student life. At that time i was unaware of many things which i know now. But as a whole i still respect him that's why i expressed my surprise after viewing this news.

 

 

Hmm I see, but you did not answer all the questions:

What do you mean by "too much"? 

Based on what do you not love him anymore?

Also, do you judge him based on what you have read in this thread? Then is this solid proof?

[Spiritual 325]

2 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Hmm I see, but you did not answer all the questions:

What do you mean by "too much"? 

Based on what do you not love him anymore?

Also, do you judge him based on what you have read in this thread? Then is this solid proof?

Too much means I was even ready to participate in Iran-Iraq war. Couple of my college friends went to fight that war, my father forced me not to go... I was even ready to die for him, so impressed with his teachings.

[Spiritual 325]

13 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Based on what do you not love him anymore?

Also, do you judge him based on what you have read in this thread? Then is this solid proof?

Don't want to answer the first question.

I don't judge him on the basis of this thread. This news is new & another surprise for me.

[Endtimes 438]

5 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, ya ali (as) madad, lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979PARIS02949_e.html

quite an interesting read.

To summarise, sayed khomeini was in secret talks pre revolution and agreed with the US government that if they allowed him to return to iran from france, he would calm down the people and protect US interests.

I do find it quite funny how common iranians are whipped up into a frenzied hysteria each congregational prayer "marj bar usa" by the same people maintaining good relations with the same USA they are getting the common people to curse.

I was suspicious of USA/Iran links ever since i studied the Iran/Contra affair, but this? it neither suprises me or dissapoints me or shocks me. basically I have always believed that all those at top levels of government are the same, but us peasant class are just told whatever suits their purpose.

What is it with you and the obsession about Iranians? Why so much hate?? You have to be on the pay roll of UK's intelligence services , otherwise you would not create finta amongst Muslims, specially Shias. There has to be a reason, nobody hates somebody for no reason, so whats your reason?

 

 

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

Just now, Endtimes said:

What is it with you and the obsession about Iranians? Why so much hate?? You have to be on the pay roll of UK's intelligence services , otherwise you would not create finta amongst Muslims, specially Shias. There has to be a reason, nobody hates somebody for no reason, so whats your reason?

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13 minutes ago, Spiritual said:

Too much means I was even ready to participate in Iran-Iraq war. Couple of my college friends went to fight that war, my father forced me not to go... I was even ready to die for him, so impressed with his teachings.

Enemies of humanity are trying to tarnish his face. One says he was from Britain the other says he was allied with USA !

He whom Allah helped him to change the world and still the wave of his efforts are ongoing in the middle east.

We do not die only for persons, we should live, play and die for Allah for this glory goal to pave the way of reappearance of Mahdi to revive teachings of Quran and Sunnah and to spread justice on the earth.

Hand of Allah is behind these developments no matter how the enemies struggle soon or later they will reach their doomed fate.    

[Endtimes 438]

1 minute ago, maes said:

Enemies of humanity are trying to tarnish his face. One says he was from Britain the other says he was allied with USA !

He whom Allah helped him to change the world and still the wave of his efforts are ongoing in the middle east.

We do not die only for persons, we should live, play and die for Allah for this glory goal to pave the way of reappearance of Mahdi to revive teachings of Quran and Sunnah and to spread justice on the earth.

Hand of Allah is behind these developments no matter how the enemies struggle soon or later they will reach their doomed fate.    

Salam alaykum brother.

We have to understand one thing, Shayton comes in all forms, shapes and so called religious back round. Those of us Shias that don't practice our religion are easily manipulated by Shayton. We shouldn't let a beard, and saying "Ya Ali Madad" fool us. Even Shias have been infiltrated, money is very sweet for those who have chosen this world! May Allah swt curse and destroy those who come under the banner of Islam to create Fitna amongst Muslims, Ameen.

[Endtimes 438]

3 hours ago, haideriam said:

is it allowed this circumstantial evidence to base your facts on in Islam and would we call it rumour mongering or otherwise. If it is too OT we could perhaps split it.

Sorry brother, wrong number lol

Edited November 30, 2016 by Endtimes

[Endtimes 438]

30 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

yup, play dumb...that's your only choice.

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15 minutes ago, Endtimes said:

Salam alaykum brother.

We have to understand one thing, Shayton comes in all forms, shapes and so called religious back round. Those of us Shias that don't practice our religion are easily manipulated by Shayton. We shouldn't let a beard, and saying "Ya Ali Madad" fool us. Even Shias have been infiltrated, money is very sweet for those who have chosen this world! May Allah swt curse and destroy those who come under the banner of Islam to create Fitna amongst Muslims, Ameen.

Salam 

Brother DU is only doing what he thinks is right, It is a big accusation to say he is an infiltrator. Although I dont agree with his world views and politics, I don't think he is trying to make fitna on purpose. But this thread certainly does that. I wonder what DU is trying to say with this post? That Iran and US are secretly working together? That is like when ignorant Lebanese tell me Sayyed Nasrallah and Israel are secretly working together. Your vigilance is misplaced. @DigitalUmmah First of all. what happened yesterday can change today. You are quoting something that happened 30 years ago. Even if it is real, there was nothing wrong with it. Ayt Khomeini was giving the USA a chance of peace before he took power, this is diplomacy and a peaceful approach. Now tell me all the sanctions, the nuclear scientists assassinations, the plane bombing, what is all that? What is your grudge with Iran exactly?

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

14 minutes ago, Endtimes said:

yup, play dumb...that's your only choice.

why is anyone who you people disagree with always an agent of the illuminati? 

 

[Endtimes 438]

3 minutes ago, kirtc said:

Brother DU is only doing what he thinks is right, It is a big accusation to say he is an infiltrator

Wasalam.

Brother, with all due respect, I did not accuse anybody of being and infiltrator, him posting stuff like and other anti Ayatullah Khamanaie  makes him one! What is your opinion of someone reading the translated Quran in an Audi form, without including the Arabic Quran text, passing it as Holy Quran is? What is your opinion of someone who would try to degrade and disrespect an Ayataullah, such as Ayatullah Khamanaie,  that  100s of millions of Muslims (Shias and Sunnis) respect an hold him dear?

Most of the times we don't even have to announce what our intentions are, but our actions and deeds make them obvious.

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

1 minute ago, Endtimes said:

Wasalam.

Brother, with all due respect, I did not accuse anybody of being and infiltrator,

3 minutes ago, Endtimes said:

, him posting stuff like and other anti Ayatullah Khamanaie  makes him one!

[Irfani313 1,281]

@DigitalUmmah See brother, that's the self proclaimed Malang drama I abhor the most. Their in built hatred of authority, Kufi Shia thinking, they will happily accept subjugation of any tyrant on thier necks but when it comes to Muslim bin Aqeel, Ameer Mukhtar, Zaid bin Ali Zainulbaideen, Baqir us-Sadr, Roohullah Khomenie, Ali Khamenie, Sayed Seestani and such, they will go after the last shred to find the doubts and would act on them to part ways on the smallest of un-found news. 

All I could say is as long as Kufi Shia are majority among us, Imam Mahdi AS is not going to be allowed to be among us because Allah swt would not allow last of His hujjah to be wasted for such turn coat ummah.

Lastly, have you forgotten this ayat of Quran (CNN, Wiki, bro DU, Irfani, SC, Yasir Habib, Allayari, all fit the bill sometimes).

[Sura Hujrat, Ayat 6]:

O people of Iman (Shia 12rs), if there comes to you a FASIQ with news, investigate, lest you harm a people (a person, a class of people, or a nation) out of ignorance and become regretful of your actions.

 

Edited November 30, 2016 by Irfani313

[A true Sunni 1,673]

Hey Brother DU you didn't reply to my spy bit

[Endtimes 438]

4 hours ago, haideriam said:

Should I laugh or cry, you have all the explosive news and yet you feign lack of knowledge......Astaghfirullah...'Game is on' Bro. Salam to Syed Baqir Nisar Zaidi.

Cry for the sake of Allah to guide our brothers  who have deviated have  from the right path, laugh that everybody go to the  graves  alone, with his/her own good and bad deeds.

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

1 hour ago, Irfani313 said:

All I could say is as long as Kufi Shia are majority among us, Imam Mahdi AS is not going to be allowed to be among us because Allah swt would not allow last of His hujjah to be wasted for such turn coat ummah

bro dont call me a kufan shia - thats basically calling me a traitor to the Imam. 

sayed khomeini is not a masum imam, and as such, his actions are open to scrutiny. we should be talking about the legitimacy of the source, not doing takfir on each other. 

24 minutes ago, A true Sunni said:

Hey Brother DU you didn't reply to my spy bit

which bit was that? are you entimes?

[alirex 999]

No body is discussing " credibility " of Wikileaks , but if they wrote something we started discussing that. Is Wikileaks is as authenticated as Quran now ? Who made Wikileaks ? is he was Muslim ?  If he was Muslim , how much Islam he was aware ? He is was Sunni or Shia ? What was his opinion on Islamic Politics ? What was his Opinion on Wadahu La Shareek ? He accepted Prophet Muhammas (saw) as Prophet or not ?

 

[A true Sunni 1,673]

5 hours ago, A true Sunni said:

Nadeem bin Masud Ashjai

was the name of the spy. Read about him. Pretty clear cut. It's in the link you sent

DigitalUmmah 

That bit . You asked the relevance of Battle of Khandaq and lying to the thread . Its in the link you posted. You slipping into habit of posting and not reading again Brother

And no I am nor endtimes. 

Edited November 30, 2016 by A true Sunni

[YAli 410]

From my understanding, of course ayatullah Khomenei was communicating with the U.S.  this is common sense. The Americans like to have their hands in every corner of the earth. 

But clearly ayatullah Khomeini did not turn out to be what they thought. He beat the devil At his own game. Slapped them silly. All the evidence points to this. Great manouvering. 

[power 1,229]

Wikileaks.. whatever next the simpsons....

[iraqi_shia 681]

9 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, ya ali (as) madad, lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979PARIS02949_e.html

quite an interesting read.

To summarise, sayed khomeini was in secret talks pre revolution and agreed with the US government that if they allowed him to return to iran from france, he would calm down the people and protect US interests.

I do find it quite funny how common iranians are whipped up into a frenzied hysteria each congregational prayer "marj bar usa" by the same people maintaining good relations with the same USA they are getting the common people to curse.

I was suspicious of USA/Iran links ever since i studied the Iran/Contra affair, but this? it neither suprises me or dissapoints me or shocks me. basically I have always believed that all those at top levels of government are the same, but us peasant class are just told whatever suits their purpose.

Its called politics and strategy. Imams AS dealt with their enemies and made deals etc. 

The reality is , Aytallah Khomenei completed his mission, and because of that many of us are aware of Islam. I dread to think of our situation if he wasnt able to complete his plan.

[iraqi_shia 681]

9 hours ago, Spiritual said:

Who knows??? He has a background of asking American help....
Brother DU, If this news is true, you have disappointed me with this news. This really has hurt the image of Ayatullah Khamenei.

Put your fake sympathy back in its box. Your agenda is obvious. 

I feel dirty actually reading your posts.

[Hassan- 3,514]

Imam Khomeini was one of the greatest individuals and accomplished more than anybody in this world.

[iraqi_shia 681]

7 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

there is man, the Quran explicitly curses the liars

[3.61] But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.

That was for the specific issue of Islam/Christianity.

 

We have many examples of taqiyah of our Imams AS in our books, what would you say about that?

Edited November 30, 2016 by iraqi_shia

[Endtimes 438]

3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

why is anyone who you people disagree with always an agent of the illuminati? 

 

Its not that you we disagree or agree with you, its what you say and post that's anti Islam specially anti Shia.

[Endtimes 438]

4 hours ago, maes said:

Enemies of humanity are trying to tarnish his face. One says he was from Britain the other says he was allied with USA !

Yea, funny how those who accuse him of being from Britain, when they,  themselves live in Britain. probably munching from the taxpayers charity or the MI6 payroll.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Endtimes

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10 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, ya ali (as) madad, lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979PARIS02949_e.html

quite an interesting read.

To summarise, sayed khomeini was in secret talks pre revolution and agreed with the US government that if they allowed him to return to iran from france, he would calm down the people and protect US interests.

I do find it quite funny how common iranians are whipped up into a frenzied hysteria each congregational prayer "marj bar usa" by the same people maintaining good relations with the same USA they are getting the common people to curse.

I was suspicious of USA/Iran links ever since i studied the Iran/Contra affair, but this? it neither suprises me or dissapoints me or shocks me. basically I have always believed that all those at top levels of government are the same, but us peasant class are just told whatever suits their purpose.

Was Khamenaei in France before revolution ?? What is the story ?

Edited November 30, 2016 by zeesh_ali110

[Endtimes 438]

48 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

That was for the specific issue of Islam/Christianity.

 

We have many examples of taqiyah of our Imams AS in our books, what would you say about that?

Salam Alaykum.

The problem with our Shia brothers we have today is, when he reads the English translated Quran, he thinks of himself as an "Ayatulah" and he rejects a real Ayatullah" that spent studying the Holy Quran in Arabic, in its (original form) all their lives, and give his own Fatwa, if people don't like that, they are not good "Shias".

[Endtimes 438]

11 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, ya ali (as) madad, lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979PARIS02949_e.html

quite an interesting read.

To summarise, sayed khomeini was in secret talks pre revolution and agreed with the US government that if they allowed him to return to iran from france, he would calm down the people and protect US interests.

I do find it quite funny how common iranians are whipped up into a frenzied hysteria each congregational prayer "marj bar usa" by the same people maintaining good relations with the same USA they are getting the common people to curse.

I was suspicious of USA/Iran links ever since i studied the Iran/Contra affair, but this? it neither suprises me or dissapoints me or shocks me. basically I have always believed that all those at top levels of government are the same, but us peasant class are just told whatever suits their purpose.

You studied? LOL no, you watched a documentary on BBC! You watch too much tv!

 

[Irfani313 1,281]

2 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

bro dont call me a kufan shia - thats basically calling me a traitor to the Imam. 

sayed khomeini is not a masum imam, and as such, his actions are open to scrutiny. we should be talking about the legitimacy of the source, not doing takfir on each other. 

which bit was that? are you entimes?

@DigitalUmmah Dear brother Astaghfirullah, not at all traitor -

Among Kufans, not all Shia were traitors. There were many who were naive, were easily swayed by the rumors, had shaky political wisdom, and generally were not wise. In one of the sayings of Imam Ali ZainulAbideen AS, Imam is complaining about such hordes of Shia who were naive and politically stupid.

Like Abu Musa Ashari who Talha called donkey with books loaded on him when he took claim of Imam Ali AS in the so called shura of six.

Another one is Zubayr bin Al Awam who realized he was on the side of wrong, knew the right of Imam Ali AS in Siffin, still left the battle field, still was killed the same day by one of the foot soldiers of Imam Ali AS army not knowing he was fleeing from the battlefield. Political dumb Zubayr from Banu Hashim who recognized the wrong and right but did stood by the Wrong till he didn't recognize the wrongness of Muawiah laeen. But once he did, he didn't stand with Right when the time came.  

Another one are the 4000 Tawwaboon who all were diehard Shia of Kufa who all were killed in one day in their revolt against Ummayds in their revenge of Karbala.

On the other hand, the 100 or so killed in Karbala were also all killed in one day. The distinction of the Karbala Shia was that they were politically wise, knew when to sit and when to do Qiyam, knew when to speak and when to remain silent, in today's world when to post on Internet and make a rumor a feeder for Salafis or when to post on internet and vehemently oppose the rumors.

I agree, Syed Khomenei was not Masum, neither are Khamenei, or Seestani. But neither were Zaid ibn Ali Zainulabideen, or Ameer Mukhtar, or Muslim ibn Aqeel. None of these are Masum but we all venerate them and those who stood by them, and call those who opposed them the Kufi Shia.

As far as doing deals, negotiations, like JCPOA, like Contra, like Imam Reza AS deal with Haroon, Sulah ul Hassan AS with Muawiah laeen, like Hudaybia against Abu Sufyan laeen, there is nothing wrong in negotiations and deals that save the lives of all humans from both sides. Opposing those pro-humanity deals who apparently seem like defeat is the sunnah of Umer or those who called Imam Hassan AS 'a bloat on momineen' Astagfiruallah after the sualh of Imam Hsaan AS. 

That's all I'm saying. Be Wise. And Do Not spread 'news that come from Fasiqeen'. Order of Quran.