Moon landing is a hoax?

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam 

interesting topic. We have many Hadith about life on other planets, 18,0000 earth like 12,000 with life nasnas jinn Jaan narrations that seem to support big bang Big Crunch etc

we narrations where Imam Hussayn as says “we regularly travel the milkway” and the Hadith of Imam Sadiq as visiting his Shia from beyond the stars etc

We had some ulama in qum back discussing if Imam as and his Shia had met aliens on umrah hajj based on a narration 

hawza in qum is very big you get all kinds of discussions and views I haven’t heard much talk on moon landing from groups there or najaf mostly from Indian groups from Hyderabad 

@Ashvazdanghe what the latest discussion on moon landing in Iran ? Hear any shayuq or ulama say anything on it lately ?

[Ashvazdanghe]

14 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

what the latest discussion on moon landing in Iran ? Hear any shayuq or ulama say anything on it lately ?

Salam it's common global belief about it which nobody talks about it any more because there is very much important issues likewise Israel & Gaza & Palestine & internal problems rather than wasting time  on such absurd matters.

 

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by Ashvazdanghe

[Eddie Mecca]

@Ashvazdanghe, salaam, it's not wasting time and it's not an absurd matter 

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

On 8/11/2025 at 7:25 AM, notme said:

Lol. 

This is the second man on the moon? 

Have you heard of the moon rock that was given by niel Armstrong to a European country and when they had it appraised for insurance purposes it turned out to be petrified wood?

[Jeffrey-N]

On 8/10/2025 at 11:34 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

I'm sure they'll have a smart aleck answer for this one too... Seems like they have ready-responses cocked, loaded and ready for any reasonable would-be queries

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Unfortunately 10% of Americans and 30% of Russians still think the moon landing is faked at this point. We live in the 21st century guys, we can do better than this. Just do a little research on that picture. It would take 5 minutes of your life.

Genuinely it annoys me when people discuss things that they don't understand at all, and pretend like their geniuses, and act like the other side is silly for not agreeing.

[Jeffrey-N]

On 8/12/2025 at 6:02 PM, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

Have you heard of the moon rock that was given by niel Armstrong to a European country and when they had it appraised for insurance purposes it turned out to be petrified wood?

That doesn't really matter it was probably a misplacement or thievery. We have over 800 pounds of moon rock verified by scientists.

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

5 hours ago, Jeffrey-N said:

That doesn't really matter it was probably a misplacement or thievery. We have over 800 pounds of moon rock verified by scientists.

Oh yes verified lol. They also verified evolution too lol.

[Jeffrey-N]

13 minutes ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

Oh yes verified lol. They also verified evolution too lol.

Yes the scientific consensus is currently on evolution, but that's harder to confirm. I'm currently in the middle on evolution we just don't know enough. 

This however is very easy to prove whether it's from the moon or not.

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

24 minutes ago, Jeffrey-N said:

Yes the scientific consensus is currently on evolution, but that's harder to confirm. I'm currently in the middle on evolution we just don't know enough. 

This however is very easy to prove whether it's from the moon or not.

So you disbeliever the bible. How do we verify that the rocks are from the moon?

[Eddie Mecca]

@Jeffrey-N, don't you believe the Earth is 5,000 years old? There's pottery that's older than that.

[Eddie Mecca]

@Jeffrey-N, Also, why on Earth did NASA decide to erase the original video tapes? What's your rationale for that one? From a scientific standpoint and a zealous American patriotic standpoint this seems like sacrilegious act... The most common footage we see of the moon landings nowadays are from lower-quality conversion tapes.

[Eddie Mecca]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

why on Earth did NASA decide to erase the original video tapes?

@Jeffrey-N, let me guess... you're going to rush to NASA's defense and argue that it was the season finale of 'Dallas' and they were short on VHS tapes and everyone wanted to know "Who Shot J.R.?"

[Jeffrey-N]

15 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

So you disbeliever the bible. How do we verify that the rocks are from the moon?

I don't disbelieve the Bible? 

"To verify if a rock is a genuine Moonrock, scientists perform detailed chemical and physical analyses. Key methods include mass spectrometry to analyze isotopic ratios and identify space exposure, mineralogy to find the specific lunar minerals like plagioclase and ilmenite, and radiometric dating to determine its age. The presence of impact breccias and the effects of space radiation, which terrestrial rocks lack, are also crucial indicators." 

[Jeffrey-N]

15 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Don't you believe the Earth is 5,000 years old? There's pottery that's older than that.

The Bible never says the earth's age. The only way to determine that the world is 6000 years in the Bible is by adding the ages. But in lists of generations people often skip generations, it's also in Sumerian kings list. I can also give an example in the Bible of skipping generations.

14 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

, Also, why on Earth did NASA decide to erase the original video tapes? What's your rationale for that one? From a scientific standpoint and a zealous American patriotic standpoint this seems like sacrilegious act... The most common footage we see of the moon landings nowadays are from lower-quality conversion tapes.

Yeah, but the original tapes still did exist in the past, for example my grandparents watched it live on television.

12 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

@Jeffrey-N, let me guess... you're going to rush to NASA's defense and argue that it was the season finale of 'Dallas' and they were short on VHS tapes and everyone wanted to know "Who Shot J.R.?"

I don't think it had anything to do with 'Dallas'

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

On 8/28/2025 at 12:15 PM, Jeffrey-N said:

The Bible never says the earth's age. The only way to determine that the world is 6000 years in the Bible is by adding the ages. But in lists of generations people often skip generations, it's also in Sumerian kings list. I can also give an example in the Bible of skipping generations.

Yeah, but the original tapes still did exist in the past, for example my grandparents watched it live on television.

I don't think it had anything to do with 'Dallas'

You don't need to use the Bible to realize the earth is less than a million years old. My personal belief it's less than 10k. But scientifically it's less than a million.

[Jeffrey-N]

3 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

You don't need to use the Bible to realize the earth is less than a million years old. My personal belief it's less than 10k. But scientifically it's less than a million.

I think you could be right. I just really don't think we know enough to definitively say anything

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

2 hours ago, Jeffrey-N said:

I think you could be right. I just really don't think we know enough to definitively say anything

Doctor dino aka kent hovind has an interesting 7hr seminar on the age of the earth. I have even been to his dinosaur adventure land.

[Jeffrey-N]

9 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

Doctor dino aka kent hovind has an interesting 7hr seminar on the age of the earth. I have even been to his dinosaur adventure land.

I think I know a little about Kent Hovind, I've seen one of his debate with Hugh Ross. I'll check out the seminar.

[Eddie Mecca]

Joe Rogan and Matt Walsh Go Back and Forth On The Moon Landing Conspiracy Theory - Approximately 15 minutes - JRE Clips

 

[Hamdi999]

No it's not a hoax, the USSR and practically all of americas adversaries admitted they landed on the moon, are they all in some sort of conspiracy to cover the "fake" moon landing? No this is ridicilous and almost all conspiracies i've seen on it were weak. 

There are many conspiracy theories on america that are solid and ended up being true, the moon landing "hoax" is one of thoses who don't hold water. 

[notme]

On 8/29/2025 at 7:20 PM, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

You don't need to use the Bible to realize the earth is less than a million years old. My personal belief it's less than 10k. But scientifically it's less than a million.

On 8/29/2025 at 10:28 PM, Jeffrey-N said:

I think you could be right. I just really don't think we know enough to definitively say anything

There are rocks on Earth that are 2.8 billion years old.  There may be some that are older.  The current scientific estimate of the age of the Solar System is about 5 billion years, and the current scientific estimate of the age of the known universe is about 14 billion years.  

There is only evidence of humans existing for about 300,000 years, although absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The earliest known civilizations were about 6000 years ago.  

[Eddie Mecca]

President Bill Clinton wrote the following in his 2004 autobiography, My Life: "Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon...The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellers' could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."
 

 

 

[Eddie Mecca]

Joe Rogan is usually a gracious host. He used to subscribe to the moon landing hoax theory but his scientific buddies browbeat him back to neutrality. He's trying way too hard to be an objective skeptic here. We've heard the perspective of NASA for 55 years. The mainstream narrative is well-known. He should give Bart the floor and allow him to speak freely. Let's hear the unpopular viewpoint without interruption for once. Joe is behaving like Piers Morgan interviewing a pro-Palestine supporter. Joe Rogan Experience #2141 - Bart Sibrel - Approximately 3 hours 8 minutes 

[notme]

14 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Approximately 3 hours 8 minutes 

Did you really listen to that whole thing? That much spare time is quite a luxury! Lucky you! 

[Eddie Mecca]

49 minutes ago, notme said:

Did you really listen to that whole thing? That much spare time is quite a luxury! Lucky you!

I don't have the time either... I make the time... I break it up into 15, 30 or 60 minute segments and watch one segment per day... or I might multitask (e.g. listen while vacuuming, washing dishes or driving, brushing teeth etc.) 

[realizm]

I might have popped here in the past and posted exactly the same thing but once you've doubted 9/11 it's hard not to be tempted to believe their moon landing videos were fake as hell. 

It's all too much of a Hollywood scenario. 

[Hamdi999]

On 10/28/2025 at 1:13 AM, realizm said:

I might have popped here in the past and posted exactly the same thing but once you've doubted 9/11 it's hard not to be tempted to believe their moon landing videos were fake as hell. 

It's all too much of a Hollywood scenario. 

I have a hard time seeing the moon landings as fake, considering many ennemy countries of the US have accepted it as a fact. Are the US, iran, israel, north korea, russia, china and previously the USSR all cooperating with eachother in a conspiracy to claim the moon landings as real? No. 

And if there was any credible evidence of them being fake, they would have called it out for PR purposes, but they didn't and they would know more easily than us the average joe if they landed or not. 

 

This is why these discussions become as absurd as flat earther discussions, you'd have to beleive in this ridicilous notion that they're all collaborating with eachother to make americas PR better. Instead of denying it or atleast saying "we don't know". 

 

Not everything the US says is false too, sometimes they say the truth.They said saddam hussein was a tyrant. Was he a tyrant? Yes he was. Was gaddafi a tyrant? Yes he was. Is the US right in saying the earth is a globe? Yes they are. See? Not everything they say is also propaganda, you have to distinguish it, it's fine to commit the genetic fallacy on american sources, they lie like they breath oxygen, but you also have to not do it to every claim comming out of the US, especially when it's ridicilous to do so. 

[Eddie Mecca]

The original "The Dog Ate My Homework" Excuse - NASA Lost The Moon Landing Tapes and Misplaced The Technology On How To Return Back To The Moon - 7 minutes approximately 

 

Edited December 9, 2025 by Eddie Mecca
Correction

[ServantOfMahdi]

On 10/31/2025 at 4:55 PM, Hamdi999 said:

I have a hard time seeing the moon landings as fake, considering many ennemy countries of the US have accepted it as a fact. Are the US, iran, israel, north korea, russia, china and previously the USSR all cooperating with eachother in a conspiracy to claim the moon landings as real? No. 

And if there was any credible evidence of them being fake, they would have called it out for PR purposes, but they didn't and they would know more easily than us the average joe if they landed or not. 

 

This is why these discussions become as absurd as flat earther discussions, you'd have to beleive in this ridicilous notion that they're all collaborating with eachother to make americas PR better. Instead of denying it or atleast saying "we don't know". 

 

Not everything the US says is false too, sometimes they say the truth.They said saddam hussein was a tyrant. Was he a tyrant? Yes he was. Was gaddafi a tyrant? Yes he was. Is the US right in saying the earth is a globe? Yes they are. See? Not everything they say is also propaganda, you have to distinguish it, it's fine to commit the genetic fallacy on american sources, they lie like they breath oxygen, but you also have to not do it to every claim comming out of the US, especially when it's ridicilous to do so. 

إقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَر

The Hour has drawn near and the Moon split open.

(Sūrah al-Qamar: 1)

The number of remaining verses in the Qur'an after this verse is 1389*, and when the Moon landing happened in 1969CE, the Islamic Lunar Hijri Year was 1389AH.

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*verified personally

[Abu Hassanain]

5 hours ago, ServantOfMahdi said:

إقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَر

The Hour has drawn near and the Moon split open.

(Sūrah al-Qamar: 1)

The number of remaining verses in the Qur'an after this verse is 1389*, and when the Moon landing happened in 1969CE, the Islamic Lunar Hijri Year was 1389AH.

_________________________________________

*verified personally

Salam

interesting

However, generally, this verse also refers to a miracle during the lifetime of the holy prophet, peace, and blessings upon where he made the moon come from the sky. It got smaller and smaller. He ripped it in half each half went up his sleeve and came out his neck he put the side of his neck from the shirt. He put it back together and pushed it towards the sky. It got bigger and bigger till it returned to its place.

It’s also referred to in many commentaries to be when the moon is split in half before the end of time

Poetically since our Lady Fatima, peace upon her is referred to the moon in commentary. It means that her heart was split in half after the martyrdom of Imam Hussayn as at Karbalah 

But your scientific commentary is very interesting and quite probable if the numbers are accurate because obviously verses have more than one meaning 

wallahu Alam 

[ServantOfMahdi]

2 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

But your scientific commentary is very interesting and quite probable if the numbers are accurate because obviously versus have more than one meaning 

Yes shaikh, I was astounded when I had first encountered it in a book, so I made it sure to verify the numbers. Minus this verse, no. of remaining verses in surah al-Qamar is 54. Then from surah al-Rahman to surah al-naas, I kept adding the last verse no. of each surah till the end getting the grand total 1389. After years, before posting here I rechecked at Grok asking the no. of verses in the Qur'an after surah al-Qamar:1.

And as you said, verses have more than one meaning, that indeed is a great sign of the Qur'an's divine origin.

[Hameedeh]

1 hour ago, ServantOfMahdi said:

Then from surah al-Rahman to surah al-naas, I kept adding the last verse no. of each surah till the end getting the grand total 1389. After years, before posting here I rechecked at Grok asking the no. of verses in the Qur'an after surah al-Qamar:1.

Salam, Brother. Sorry to be asking this, but I need to know. Was the Grok AI chatbot using the number of verses according to Shias or according to Sunnis who don't count the Bismillah verse on the Surahs?

[ServantOfMahdi]

21 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

Salam, Brother. Sorry to be asking this, but I need to know. Was the Grok AI chatbot using the number of verses according to Shias or according to Sunnis who don't count the Bismillah verse on the Surahs?

Wa alaikumussalam.

1 hour ago, ServantOfMahdi said:

Minus this verse, no. of remaining verses in surah al-Qamar is 54. Then from surah al-Rahman to surah al-naas, I kept adding the last verse no. of each surah till the end getting the grand total 1389.

Taking bismillah as unnumbered verse.

2 hours ago, ServantOfMahdi said:

After years, before posting here I rechecked at Grok asking the no. of verses in the Qur'an after surah al-Qamar:1.

Same here.

6 hours ago, ServantOfMahdi said:

إقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَر

The Hour has drawn near and the Moon split open.

(Sūrah al-Qamar: 1)