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High School Is A Prison

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22 minutes ago, It's me hello said:

Not if you manage yourself well :P

You will never find true happiness in this life, its better you accept the nature of this dunya instead of chasing illusions. 

With regards to learning useless stuff, some would argue that learning the mathematics we learn are beyond what we can later on apply in life and they are right but I am telling you: each new problem you get when your learning mathematics is like a puzzle, and so you learn how to solve puzzles, logical thinking. This will for sure come in handy later in life, not the math but the ability to solve puzzles and think logically.

With regards to learning other useless stuff, like for example the wicca religion... or the molecular structure of CO2... or the history of ancient Greece... etc:

All knowledge is connected to each other in one way or the other, every piece of knowledge is a piece of puzzle that will help you better understand how everything is connected to everything and why and how people do what they do.

You understand how the school system of today is moronic, why not use this understanding to your own benefit? Did you know I once passed a class without attending any lectures nor study? Why? Because I understood how the teacher was thinking and how he would make the test and how I would pass it before it happened. Not because I was lazy but because I had a full time job and another more class that was more demanding at the same time.

Also, hard workers in school with good grades are not always the ones who will be successful after school in the working life. The reason you study (according to society) is so to that you can get a job and the reason you get a job is to get an income. So, greater income equals greater success in that aspect but not all people with great grades become great earners. Think about that as well, its not the hard worker that succeeds, its the smart worker.

Also, if it is true what you are saying and they only give you menial tasks, why dont you study on your own on the side as well? What is exactly stopping you from doing both?

Why dont you for example do your homework during the actual class in school and then come home and study what you really want to study instead of doing homework after school?

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5 hours ago, It's me hello said:

I asked my mother, but she will not be able to homeschool me. I was honestly thinking that I could just drop High School and head to the Electrical Engineering route.

If you can get accepted into a program now, take the GED.

American public education really is terrible, but IbnSina makes some very good points. Just make the best of what you have available to you and always strive for better.

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11 hours ago, It's me hello said:

Well you obviously don't need to do good in High School in order to be successful. 

Some people don't need to do well. 

But if you do well at school not only can you follow the life-paths of those who did not do well, but you have others open to you as well (which they do not).

School allows you to keep your options open. Flunking closes some down.

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6 hours ago, IbnSina said:

You will never find true happiness in this life, its better you accept the nature of this dunya instead of chasing illusions. 

You will never find happiness if you conform to societies standards, especially now that getting a degree most likely ensures you a low paying job for the rest of your life, unless it's within the realms of STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics)  "MOSTLY" 

 

 Now let me talk about the grades...

I suggest you guys take a look at this, it is pretty interesting. https://www.quora.com/Can-I-drop-out-of-high-school-and-go-to-college

The point of going to college immediately after dropping out is about getting a head start. Getting a high GPA in High School does NOT ensure you a good future, and if I were to go to college right now, I would be trying my butt off to get good grades. If I do manage to get good grades, that will be great, because other colleges are going to offer me scholarships right after I attend a 2-year institution and manage to get a 4.0 at such a young age.

6 hours ago, IbnSina said:

With regards to learning useless stuff, some would argue that learning the mathematics we learn are beyond what we can later on apply in life and they are right but I am telling you: each new problem you get when your learning mathematics is like a puzzle, and so you learn how to solve puzzles, logical thinking. This will for sure come in handy later in life, not the math but the ability to solve puzzles and think logically.

 

I'll tell you this. I used to LOVE MATH, but it is ruined by the most boring, stupid thing ever. Thinking logically does not come from people being forced into a room to learn math, rather logic comes from exploration, and exploration does not occur by force.  It really bores me to think about "learning" anymore. School has destroyed my will to learn, and explore.

6 hours ago, IbnSina said:

All knowledge is connected to each other in one way or the other, every piece of knowledge is a piece of puzzle that will help you better understand how everything is connected to everything and why and how people do what they do.

Yes, all knowledge is connected to each other. BUT, it doesn't matter because most people forget what they learn very fast, because, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. When you learn something on your own time, in a time which the subject matters to you; you tend to remember things so much better. If you have no care for the subject shoved down your throat, you are most likely going to forget right after you regurgitate it on the final exams. 

9 hours ago, IbnSina said:

Also, hard workers in school with good grades are not always the ones who will be successful after school in the working life. The reason you study (according to society) is so to that you can get a job and the reason you get a job is to get an income. So, greater income equals greater success in that aspect but not all people with great grades become great earners. Think about that as well, its not the hard worker that succeeds, its the smart worker.

Yes, you do have to study to an extent however, the study does not matter for high school. Either I can become an electrician through a vocational school (I might add they make plenty of money) or go to college.

I will most likely start a few businesses on the side to get an easier job for after I start to age, because I don't plan to do blue-collar for my entire life if I do go about the vocational route.

9 hours ago, IbnSina said:

Also, if it is true what you are saying and they only give you menial tasks, why dont you study on your own on the side as well? What is exactly stopping you from doing both?

The thing that is stopping me is the grades. In order to pass I have to get above a 70. Homework counts as 50% of my grade, the homework policy is more like "Quantity over Quality"

It's kinda like when you got in trouble when you are younger. When you did something wrong, you would have to write something on a piece of paper like..."I was wrong" 150 times? It's really easy to write, but it just takes so long to complete, being a complete time waster. 

Also, I'm usually burnt out from school anyway after I come home, so I just nap and then read and play games when I wake up.

 

9 hours ago, IbnSina said:

Why dont you for example do your homework during the actual class in school and then come home and study what you really want to study instead of doing homework after school?

They specifically make homework to be done at home. If you are doing homework at school, you usually get caught, and the teachers get pissed.

 

6 hours ago, notme said:

If you can get accepted into a program now, take the GED.

American public education really is terrible, but IbnSina makes some very good points. Just make the best of what you have available to you and always strive for better.

Yes I was going to apply, however my state laws say that I have to be 18 to drop. Am I still able to somehow drop out if I were to get accepted?

 

I have to go to a debate tournament soon, so I will be back in a while, sorry if this is rushed.

THANK YOU FOR FEEDBACK!

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53 minutes ago, It's me hello said:

Yes I was going to apply, however my state laws say that I have to be 18 to drop. Am I still able to somehow drop out if I were to get accepted?

You definitely should look into this. In the state where I went to high school, you could drop out at 16 with parent permission. There are almost always exceptions to the rules. I had a few friends who finished early, either to take jobs to help their families, or to move into advanced studies sooner. They didn't suffer any more than the rest of us for not having sat through four years of high school. 

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2 minutes ago, notme said:

You definitely should look into this. In the state where I went to high school, you could drop out at 16 with parent permission. There are almost always exceptions to the rules. I had a few friends who finished early, either to take jobs to help their families, or to move into advanced studies sooner. They didn't suffer any more than the rest of us for not having sat through four years of high school. 

I will look further into this, I feel like my guidance counselors will convince my parents to make me stay. I'll do some research, so thank you for the suggestion!

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Definitely do your research, probably you would have to be your own lawyer with your parents.

Most people who are concerned with getting a job, have an employee mentality.

Creative people end up creating jobs and doing something innovative.

Employee mentality people are more box minded people, less creative and take less risks, hence are less prone to be business owners, but make great 9-5 employees.

With technology and internet now adays most learning can be done at home, faster, less time wasted, and things done more effectively.

One can almost learn anything they like thru the internet.

A person who is truly passionate about a subject can learn faster thru the net then those who take the longer route of schooling.

Here is an interesting brief video:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/daniel-singer-creates-innovative-social-app-41901792

Some awesome Ted talk:

 

 

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1 hour ago, certainclarity said:

Definitely do your research, probably you would have to be your own lawyer with your parents.

Most people who are concerned with getting a job, have an employee mentality.

Creative people end up creating jobs and doing something innovative.

Employee mentality people are more box minded people, less creative and take less risks, hence are less prone to be business owners, but make great 9-5 employees.

With technology and internet now adays most learning can be done at home, faster, less time wasted, and things done more effectively.

One can almost learn anything they like thru the internet.

A person who is truly passionate about a subject can learn faster thru the net then those who take the longer route of schooling.

Here is an interesting brief video:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/daniel-singer-creates-innovative-social-app-41901792

Some awesome Ted talk:

 

 

Thank you for sharing!

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On 11/12/2016 at 1:19 PM, notme said:

You definitely should look into this. In the state where I went to high school, you could drop out at 16 with parent permission. There are almost always exceptions to the rules. I had a few friends who finished early, either to take jobs to help their families, or to move into advanced studies sooner. They didn't suffer any more than the rest of us for not having sat through four years of high school. 

I'm not too sure how to find the exception for Texas laws. You have any ideas?

 

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10 minutes ago, It's me hello said:

I'm not too sure how to find the exception for Texas laws. You have any ideas?

 

Guidance counselor? School board? Law library? I don't know. Hope it all works out for you though.

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Hey guys, I think I found the "exception"

It turns out I need to be in a GED preparation course, at the same time I have to have a court order. So I will be trying it in 3 to two weeks.

 

Now the problem is, that my dad thinks I'm lazy because I don't waste my time on homework all day. My parents need to be convinced, I'm not sure how to do it. My parents are so irrational at times.

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