Ottoman empire genocide ?

[HumanForLife]

Wasn't the ottoman empire muslim, what justification did they have to kill 1.5 million Armenians.

Edited November 7, 2016 by HumanForLife

[HumanForLife]

Unrelated Side Note: this topic reminded me of human suffering, consequently, it has made me upset with god, even if judgement day comes and the creator decrees ultimate justice upon everyone, I honestly don't think all this suffering is worth us being created. 

Edited November 7, 2016 by HumanForLife

[Haji 2003]

Reminds me, there is a BBC documentary which covers this and the background:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rp9tf/the-first-world-war-4-jihad

And on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAhtrvRQGJU&index=4&list=PLBOXjuzxIKcqviAKtx7UNPFzJ-oU_kQZU

 

[YAli]

22 minutes ago, HumanForLife said:

Unrelated Side Note: this topic reminded me of human suffering, consequently, it has made me upset with god, even if judgement day comes and the creator decrees ultimate justice upon everyone, I honestly don't think all this suffering is worth us being created. 

Why did they kill all these people???! 

No no... Be upset with man, not with Allah... This is why it's so important to stand for Justice! Imam Hussein AS! 

Edited November 7, 2016 by YAli

[Hidaren]

1 hour ago, HumanForLife said:

Wasn't the ottoman empire muslim, what justification did they have to kill 1.5 million Armenians.

The same justification that Americans had for killing about 100 millions of Indians, this is their justification:

Greed and dominion.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Hidaren

[iCambrian]

3 hours ago, HumanForLife said:

Unrelated Side Note: this topic reminded me of human suffering, consequently, it has made me upset with god, even if judgement day comes and the creator decrees ultimate justice upon everyone, I honestly don't think all this suffering is worth us being created. 

Why would anyone be mad at God?  As if God is a person sitting in a chair watching mankind through a crystal ball or something.

[wmehar2]

Don't forget the Greeks, they killed too.  My ancestors.

They're justification (which is a terrible one) is a fear that non muslims would rise up one day together against the ottomans, since they're not bound by faith, they didn't trust them.

[wmehar2]

15 hours ago, HumanForLife said:

Unrelated Side Note: this topic reminded me of human suffering, consequently, it has made me upset with god, even if judgement day comes and the creator decrees ultimate justice upon everyone, I honestly don't think all this suffering is worth us being created. 

Suffering is needed to know one is in peace.

You define colors by the existence of opposing shades,  shadow/dark is an obstruction of light.

If no suffering existed, you wouldnt understand its value or what peace even means .

Similarly how we take everything for granted, (e.g. don't know how awesome your parents are until they die).

[ServantOfTheOne]

19 hours ago, HumanForLife said:

 

Wasn't the ottoman empire muslim,

 

LOL. The Ottoman Empire was as Muslim as a Richard Dawkins belief in religion.

[Enlightened Follower]

On 11/7/2016 at 6:08 PM, HumanForLife said:

Wasn't the ottoman empire muslim, what justification did they have to kill 1.5 million Armenians.

Two words, Turkish Nationalism.

Secular nationalist movements like the Young Turks overthrew the Ottomans and started killing millions of non Turkish minorities, even the Kurds who were Muslims were killed in Dersim.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Enlightened Follower

[Enlightened Follower]

 

"The Young Turks’ attempt to annihilate the Christian Armenians of Anatolia was not a faith-driven genocide by radical Islamists. Nor, as many still view it, was it purely an outburst of ethnic hatred by Ottoman Turks against the Armenian minority. Though it involved these inter-communal tensions, the genocide was a process closely tied to the creation of modern nation-states....

These were nationalist reformers who sought to modernize the “Sick Man of Europe,” as the Ottoman Empire was called during the nineteenth century. Their genocidal policies cannot be attributed to some primitive tribalism, since, as de Waal writes, the 'leading Young Turk officials were among the most Europeanized and best-educated members of society.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/121626/armenian-genocide-was-about-nationalism-not-jihad

In essence a group emulating secular European from of nationalism was responsible for the genocide.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Enlightened Follower

[Enlightened Follower]

21 hours ago, ServantOfTheOne said:

LOL. The Ottoman Empire was as Muslim as a Richard Dawkins belief in religion.

They were very Muslim at first but by the end of the 19th century the last Caliph was deposed and secular nationalist groups tool over and enforced their own ideologies. This lead to most of proceeding genocides.

[Enlightened Follower]

On 11/7/2016 at 6:08 PM, HumanForLife said:

Wasn't the ottoman empire muslim, what justification did they have to kill 1.5 million Armenians.

The time the genocides occurred the Caliphate was abolished.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam related thread

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235088942-shia-and-sunni-empires/#comment-3447719

[Panzerwaffe]

On 11/7/2016 at 3:08 PM, HumanForLife said:

Wasn't the ottoman empire muslim, what justification did they have to kill 1.5 million Armenians.

No justification for what happened but Armenian collaboration with Russia was a concern 

they ottomans however back the right side in ww1