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Sadly so call shias also follow "october 31st"....

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This yr 10/31 was the 20th of Imam-e-Hussein (aka wismu) once again we heard a wonderful lecture and one portion of the lecture reminded me, off how sadly that every yr right around October 31st, we (who call our self as shia of Ali/Huusein) go through the following dilemma.....
 
we were reminded that "the people of Saturday who were instructed by Allah that they could FISH FOR 6 DAYS OF THE WEEK BUT NOT JUST A MERE 1 DAY ONLY...but still people saw the cup: 1/2 empty and wanted that 1 day also...
 
Alhamdullilah, Shukranlillah,  we (esp shias) are blessed in a 365 days a yr (mind u the Islamic calendar is 354 days (11 days shy, so a few events are done twice in a yr) with the following Shia Islamic occasions :- 1) Prophet's Birthday/Death day (2 days). 2) 12 Imams Birthday/11 Imams Wafaat (Total: 23 days), 3) 30 nights of Ramadhan (Total 30). 4) 12 nights of Muharram (total 12). 5) 5 Eids (Eid Zehra + Eid Fitr + Eid Adha + Eid Ghadeer + Eid Mubahala) (Total 5 days) 6) Dasmu + Wismu + Trismu + Chalismu (Total 4 occasions). 7) Meraj + H. Abbas Wiladat + here and there (Total 4 occasions)...
 
Now let's do the math that in a given 354 Islamic days in a yr it's a give in (no if's, but's, maybe's) we gather for a total of 2 + 23 + 30 + 12 + 5 + 4 + 4 = 80 occasion (I haven't added the 52 Thursday's in a yr + jumma (otherwise the total would be = 80 + 52 + 52 = 184 ....if some of U'll remember awhile ago I stated that a sister in our community did us a favor and saved all the occasions paper from 1st Muharram until 30 Zilhajj and calculated that we did INDEED go to the mosque exactly 1/2 the yr (182/184)...
AND INSTEAD OF BEING SATISFIED WE LIKE THE PEOPLE OF THE SATURDAY ARE ASKING 
 
can we accommodate JUST 1 MORE DAY (HALLOWEEN)...
 
WHAT'S MORE SADDEST IS OUT OF ALL THE BELIEVERS OF GOD  (JEWS/HINDUS/SUNNIS/ETC) WE SHIAS OF IMAM HUSSEIN WHO GAVE HIS LIFE, HIS 6 MONTH OLD CHILD IN KERBLA'S LIFE..
 
we have the audacity to STILL SEE THE GLASS 1/2 EMPTY (AFTER 80 OCCASSIONS WE ARE ALREADY BLESSED IN) and seek a NON ISLAMIC DEMON OCCASSION.
I remember one sheikh saying it very nicely the following ; WATCH CAREFULLY WHO ARE THE PEOPLE SEEK SUCH THING WHERE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BLESSED WITH ALLOT THEY SEEK MORE..
 
those who don't take advantage of what they have
 
IT IS THOSE WHO COME TO THE MOSQUE FOR JUST 1 OR 2 OCCASSIONS HERE AND THERE.....these are the ones whose souls are still empty seeking for more...
OTHERWISE IF A PERSON ATTENDED ALL 80 OCCASSIONS : would they be any reason seeking for 81st (unless he is like the people of Saturday who were given 6 days out of the week to fish but still wanted the7TH).
 
How sad....US SHIAS AND HALLOWEEN....make's IMAM MAHDI WONDER : are these the kind of people I have to put up with when I reappear.......
 
ANYONE WANT TO ADD THEIR INPUT PLEASE FEEL FREE .....

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Halloween, has its traditions stemming from the Celtic kuffar religion of old, it was a form of celebrating the harvest season at the end of the summer and their new year. That feast/day was called "samhuinn".

The day of halloween is also the most important day in the wicca "religion" which was created 1950 and is a heathen religion in which they worship their goddess or her son "the horned god".

Either way halloween is a kuffar invention that does not even come from ahlul kitab. It is straight up a kuffar invention. 

Anybody who celebrates it or teaches their kids to celebrate it are celebrating the traditions of kuffar and teaching their kids to imitate kuffar.

They would argue that "its just a fun thing" but fun has nothing to do with it when you are in fact making sure the heathen tradition of kuffars and devil worshipers live on by partaking. May Allah(SWT) enlighten them in their stupidity and stop them from disgracing themselves. 

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18 minutes ago, notme said:

I disagree. Like most Christian holidays, the festival was timed to coincide with a ceremony of the people they were trying to convert, ie, pagans. Just like Easter and Christmas it includes some of the pagan symbolism even today. But unlike Easter and Christmas, except among some Roman Catholics, the religious meaning has been lost and now it is just a cultural event like any of the various thanksgiving or independence celebrations or the British "bank holiday" whatever that means. 

It's a good opportunity to walk around and meet the neighbors. Parents these days don't get much time for that.

Agreed, the religious meaning is totallyy dead like is there even pagans who perform death rituals to sacrifice humans and animals to pagan lords?

Edited by alHussein

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22 minutes ago, alHussein said:

Agreed, the religious meaning is totallyy dead like is there even pagans who perform death rituals to sacrifice humans and animals to pagan lords?

I don't think sacrificing humans and animals was ever part of it. I think it was yet another harvest celebration, and also the beginning of winter. I think they threw a feast before they preserved everything for winter storage, and they commemorated their dead loved ones at the time they noticed animals going into hibernation and plants going into winter dormancy. Since the plants and creatures were not dead but death-like, they thought this must be the time of year in which the life and the afterlife were closest to each other. 

The Christian celebrations are All Saints Day on November 1 and All Souls Day on October 31. On All Saints Day, Christians celebrate all the souls in heaven, and on All Souls Day they pray for the souls in purgatory (barzakh). For Catholics, it's a Holy Day Of Obligation. That means they have to go to Mass if they are able.

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3 hours ago, Irfani313 said:

Its a shame and a struggle every year to keep the kids away from it.

I agree. I had to dress my little sister up this evening as she's attending a halloween gathering. She is 15 and still not very much aware but if I lecture and critisice i'll just drive her away and she'll end up hating me. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

I disagree. Like most Christian holidays, the festival was timed to coincide with a ceremony of the people they were trying to convert, ie, pagans. Just like Easter and Christmas it includes some of the pagan symbolism even today. But unlike Easter and Christmas, except among some Roman Catholics, the religious meaning has been lost and now it is just a cultural event like any of the various thanksgiving or independence celebrations or the British "bank holiday" whatever that means. 

It's a good opportunity to walk around and meet the neighbors. Parents these days don't get much time for that.

And we get to eat some delicious yummy yummy candies lol. 

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My issue is not with Halloween specifically. Nowadays it is has become a 'fun' activty for the kids - no issue with it.

However, I do have issues with people celebrating Halloween during the Muharram/Safar. I thought that for every shia the mourning of Hussain would take precedence but unfortunately that is not the case.

What an important lesson it would be for all the kids that nothing supersedes the mourning of Hussain.

I am close with a family who are the 9-10 muharram only type shia. We were discussing this very topic and they didn't see anything wrong with celebrating Halloween before Arbaeen. I ,sarcastically, suggested to them that they could dress up their kids as prisoners in honor of Imam Sajjad so they can celebrate Halloween and mourn Imam Hussain at the same time.

For some reason, they thought I was the rude one.

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We should give everybody the benefit of the doubt as to why they are celebrating Halloween but maybe give a gentle reminder. I personally wouldn't allow my children to if I was a parent and I really think it is a bad idea.

The question is why can I not recall being invited by a Shia (ever) to celebrate Milad al-Nabi, Birth of Imam Mahdi, celebrations on 15th Ramadan? It's a big shame that we never put any emphasis on days of celebration and only days of aza' which is not a healthy balance.

What I have seen is migrant Shias who host Christmas dinner parties and seemingly only invite their migrant Shia friends. These aren't people who are involved in interfaith meetings and the like. These are people who don't step outside the brown side of town for fear of smelling a white person.

I will never understand people. I'm still looking for cheap transportation to Mars. Bah Humbug.

Edited by silasun

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Something tells me the Prophet (s) wouldn't have approved of Muslims dressing their kids up as devils and witches to go around asking for sweets from strangers.

You can reduce it to a cultural holiday if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it is full of unislamic symbolism that we should stay away from. The other problem with these holidays is that you get Muslim kids who are more excited about Halloween and Christmas than for Eid.

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7 minutes ago, Haydar Husayn said:

The other problem with these holidays is that you get Muslim kids who are more excited about Halloween and Christmas than for Eid.

Then make Eid cooler! Obviously. 

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1 hour ago, silasun said:

We should give everybody the benefit of the doubt as to why they are celebrating Halloween but maybe give a gentle reminder. I personally wouldn't allow my children to if I was a parent and I really think it is a bad idea.

The question is why can I not recall being invited by a Shia (ever) to celebrate Milad al-Nabi, Birth of Imam Mahdi, celebrations on 15th Ramadan? It's a big shame that we never put any emphasis on days of celebration and only days of aza' which is not a healthy balance.

What I have seen is migrant Shias who host Christmas dinner parties and seemingly only invite their migrant Shia friends. These aren't people who are involved in interfaith meetings and the like. These are people who don't step outside the brown side of town for fear of smelling a white person.

I will never understand people. I'm still looking for cheap transportation to Mars. Bah Humbug.

To be honest, neither of the Imams a.s made any emphasis on the mawlid to the best of our knowledge. The emphasis we put on it today is actually something that was culturally innovated. This is not to say, it is wrong ofcourse.

But i do see where you're coming from.

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1st and foremost I am glad to see a healthy conversation and lots of views/ideas that have come up.

i'll add my 2 cents to it after having read all the comments.

1. We hear from the pulpit once in awhile off the following anecdote that occurred in the life of our Holy Prophet. The pagans (same pagans we are talking off today) came to our Prophet thinking they could score a deal with him. They said : O Muhammad ! Why don't we come 1/2 way (compromise) so we both (in their terms) are winners. Option A:  We will worship our idols for 364 days in a yr, and will dedicate 1 day to your Allah or Option B: You worship Ur Allah, 364 days a yr and dedicate 1 day to our idols. And it is here that our Holy Prophet disagreed and recited the last verse of Sura Kafiroon: U go ur way/belief/religion/faith I go my way/belief/religion/faith.

Now why can't we do that. When the pagans come to us and say the say thing they forefathers told our prophet : O you believers u'll can continue to worship/believe/faith in your mosques/imambargahs/etc for 364 days in a yr but leave the 1 day to our holiday (Halloween). I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DO WE FEEL PRESSURED TO SAY YES AND NOT BEHAVE LIKE THE SUNNAH OF THE PROHET AND SAY: U GO UR WAY WE GO OUR WAY.

2. What is sad is we SOME OF UR ARE GIFTED TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND ALL 52 THURSDAYS + 52 jUMMA + 30 NIGHTS OF THE BLESSED FASTING MONTH + 12 NIGHTS OF MUHARRAM ETC ETC BUT INSTEAD CHOOSE TO STAY HOME OR DO SOMETHING ELSE. That in no size/shape/color tickle our conscience or guilt. BUT COME HALLOWEEN (THAT HAS NOTHING GOT TO DO WITH THE CHAWDA-E-MASOOMEEN) AND SUDDENLY OUR CONSCIENCE IS BOTHERED ??? HOW SAD ....

3. Lastly, I have many non muslim friends in the Islamic countries in the middle east where they are constantly in the presence of Islamic occasions and NOT FORGETTING THE AZAN 5 TIMES IN A DAY. When I ask them if they feel any pressure THEY SAY : NO. So when their occasions come up which is FOR GOD'S SAKE JUST ONCE IN A YR...WHY DOES THE PRESSURE POT START BOILING WHERE there pressure pot never even heats up when they have heard 5 X 365 = 1, 825 (that is one thousand eight hundred and twenty five ) azan U DON'T SEE THEM PRESSURIZED TO JOIN THE MASJID OR LAY A MUSALLAH...BECAUSE THEY HEARTS ARE FIRM

We have the faith of our Imams and Prophets and Ramadhan and Muhararam and YET OUR HEARTS ARE WEAK WHERE WE WANT TO ADD A(N) UNISLAMIC DEVIL'S DAY..

Now we know WHY IMAM MAHDI IS NOT YET READY TO COME...GOD FORBID'S HE COME'S ON FRIDAY OCTOBER 31ST WILL WE BE JOINING DAJJAL AT HIS HALLOWEEN ;PARTY OR IMAM MAHDI....

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On 11/3/2016 at 5:55 PM, Haydar Husayn said:

You can reduce it to a cultural holiday if you want,

Well that would be a can of worms in its own right.

At the moment I'd argue that there isn't much of a cultural element to it. Just a reason for commercialism. But it is interesting that it is happening at a time in progressively post-Christian societies where the plethora of Christian events has been reduced to Easter and Christmas.

Halloween exists because the following are no longer observed in the way that they used to be:

http://www.calendarlabs.com/christian-calendar

The problem with culture is that over time it accretes. Symbols acquire meanings, rituals become codified, notions of the right and wrong way of doing things start to emerge. 

Christian children now know more about what to do on Halloween than they do on I dunno, finger-in-the-air, All Saints Day.

The question to ask then, is do we want Muslim kids going the same way?

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10 hours ago, uponthesunnah said:

To be honest, neither of the Imams a.s made any emphasis on the mawlid to the best of our knowledge. The emphasis we put on it today is actually something that was culturally innovated. This is not to say, it is wrong ofcourse.

But i do see where you're coming from.

Shaykh Al-Mufid talked about mawlid. 

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10 hours ago, notme said:

Then make Eid cooler! Obviously. 

What's wrong with how Eid is celebrated? Eid prayers, gathering of families and exchanging of gifts, are things I know pretty much all Muslim families do. And these are things emphasised in the traditions.

I don't think to make Eid better we must import the actions of the Christians on Christmas and make it part of our celebrations.

Edited by E.L King

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44 minutes ago, E.L King said:

What's wrong with how Eid is celebrated?

As I was alluding earlier, it's not just Eids that we celebrate, but there are Milads as well and many people just don't bother. It's up to parents really to make them 'cool' and create age-appropriate events/occasions/celebrations for the kids.

It's in a celebratory vacuum that new events emerge.

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On 11/4/2016 at 4:39 AM, E.L King said:

What's wrong with how Eid is celebrated? Eid prayers, gathering of families and exchanging of gifts, are things I know pretty much all Muslim families do. And these are things emphasised in the traditions.

I don't think to make Eid better we must import the actions of the Christians on Christmas and make it part of our celebrations.

I agree, we don't need to bring in foreign traditions. But many families downplay Eid, barely take time off work if at all. The prayer and gathering are perfect as they are. The family attitudes and discussions need to change and we need to create our own family or community traditions.

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