Challenge To Debate Sheikh Asrar Rashid Accepted.

[Ali_Hussain]

 

[ServantOfTheOne]

4 hours ago, Hasan50 said:

I am shocked at how much Shia swear and curse.

Salam brother @Hasan50. I am surprised how many people online use this type of phrasing.

I am not trying to target you in particular. I am just using your sentence as an example.

Many people online from *BOTH* Shia and Sunni affiliated groups always talk about "them", "the sunnis", "the shias". It never ceases to amaze me how freely people attribute their entire comment of praise, criticism or degradation to a group, thereby targeting every single person who identifies as that group. Then if you say "not all of them are like that", they agree. *so why phrase it like that in the first place?!*

For example, your sentence will be way more accurate if you said: "I am shocked at how much [some/many] Shias swear and curse". Because frankly, my creed is Shia and as general practice, I do not curse anywhere near as often as a lot of Shias online do and I certainly do not swear. So automatically, your sentence is inaccurately targeting me and is available to a whole host of strangers online.

I hope you do not take this as a personal attack on you. I have been wanting to make this point because I noticed even someone as respected as Sheikh Asrar (among his affiliates and followers) uses phrases like "those shias", etc... It is not accurate to speak like this nor is it wise to address the public in this manner. I am disappointed in him entirely and I do not care about the etiquette he showed yesterday, simply because his posts on Facebook are outrageous and in direct contrast to his physical character. Therefore I still see him as a hypocritical person. Right now, the following statements are still live on his Facebook page:

"Those Rawafid who claim they do not insult the noble companions are also supporting the foul mouthed Yasir alHabib"

- Why is Asrar saying Rawafid and not Shias? He wants to degrade us that badly so he uses a 'halal' insult? Also, I do not like or follow Yasir alHabib.

 

"So I announce to the entire Rafidi/Twelver cult in the western world"

Oh so I am part of a cult now. Is he implying that I do not even deserve to go to Hajj? If I am part of a cult, clearly I am not Muslim in his eyes.

 

"The Rawafid should take note that we are upon the aquida of Ibn Hajar Haytami, Nur alDin Zengi, Salah alDin Ayyubi who subjugated Rafidis as with the will of Allah we will do also"

Again 'halal' insult engaged. I should be subjugated because of my belief in respecting the family of the prophet over and above a few companions.

 

"Get your mullas and 'ayatollahs' ready"

Does Asrar not understand that an Ayatollah studies for at least 25 to 30 years and that most of them hit 40 and 50 years of study? He literally just undermined every scholar we have.

 

"The Shia have not announced a venue to host this event"

Which Shia? Who is Asrar addressing? Is there a group who has been voted for by the British Shia public as the UK Shia Defense Force who are organising this for His Excellency Sheikh Asrar? What a joke.

 

"No more excuses. You have already been given ample room to choose a scholar and venue and so forth"

Who has been given ample room? Who is he addressing? Is this aimed at the Shias who posted a barrage of insults and garbage on his wall? Is he suggesting that these Shia nut cases represent all the UK Shia?

 

"The Shia (more specifically ... ) have spread false information"

Again, "the Shia". Asrar should know that I have not spread false information, yet he is happy with this comment on his wall.

 

I am sorry, Sheikh Asrar can keep his followers to himself and do whatever he wants. I will not think highly of him since he has a greater responsibility to be wiser than the regular laymans who threw insults at him. If he wants people to respect him, he should stop bad mouthing all Shias just because a few people on his Facebook wall posted obscenities.

 

Then after the event, he has the nerve to post the most beautiful and serene comment as though we are all best of friends: "Following a peaceful and productive discussion with representatives of the Shia community, debate conditions have been initiated"

Note, this time he uses "representatives of the Shia community". He didn't say "Following a peaceful and productive discussion with *the Shias*". Yes, he posted a good comment, but a little late after all the other incendiary posts which have included me in his insults. I didn't dare post a single comment on his wall as I knew it was pointless to have a rational discussion there.

 

Of course, as always, a group of people will hate the point I have made because they cannot be bothered to put their hate aside and think rationally. That's up to them however.

 

Peace.

 

EDIT:

%%% I should say, that I hope my post does not influence anyone to create mischief. I wanted to highlight that I strongly believe Asrar should formally apologise for his conduct. However, moving forward, whether he apologises or not, I really wish that this debate he is having with some members of Shia community goes smoothly and peacefully without conflict. %%%

Edited November 6, 2016 by ServantOfTheOne

[Haydar Husayn]

On 11/4/2016 at 0:22 AM, Shaykh Patience101 said:

He certainly considers himself above debating them, especially after his dabbling in academia. The "Imam Ali Chair for Shi’a Studies" probably isn't going to go around debating random Facebook trolls.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. I certainly hope so.

Anyway, at least they've got his name right. I wonder why he doesn't do the same in his public lectures?

[Hasan50]

10 hours ago, repenter said:

He should have accepted, Rashid can't even debate with atheists properly without being put on the spot, let alone a shia that knows a little bit about sunni history. 

Where has Sh Asrar debated atheists or been put on the spot by one?

[Hasan50]

6 hours ago, ServantOfTheOne said:

Salam brother @Hasan50. I am surprised how many people online use this type of phrasing.

I am not trying to target you in particular. I am just using your sentence as an example.

Many people online from *BOTH* Shia and Sunni affiliated groups always talk about "them", "the sunnis", "the shias". It never ceases to amaze me how freely people attribute their entire comment of praise, criticism or degradation to a group, thereby targeting every single person who identifies as that group. Then if you say "not all of them are like that", they agree. *so why phrase it like that in the first place?!*

For example, your sentence will be way more accurate if you said: "I am shocked at how much [some/many] Shias swear and curse". Because frankly, my creed is Shia and as general practice, I do not curse anywhere near as often as a lot of Shias online do and I certainly do not swear. So automatically, your sentence is inaccurately targeting me and is available to a whole host of strangers online.

I hope you do not take this as a personal attack on you. I have been wanting to make this point because I noticed even someone as respected as Sheikh Asrar (among his affiliates and followers) uses phrases like "those shias", etc... It is not accurate to speak like this nor is it wise to address the public in this manner. I am disappointed in him entirely and I do not care about the etiquette he showed yesterday, simply because his posts on Facebook are outrageous and in direct contrast to his physical character. Therefore I still see him as a hypocritical person. Right now, the following statements are still live on his Facebook page:

"Those Rawafid who claim they do not insult the noble companions are also supporting the foul mouthed Yasir alHabib"

- Why is Asrar saying Rawafid and not Shias? He wants to degrade us that badly so he uses a 'halal' insult? Also, I do not like or follow Yasir alHabib.

 

"So I announce to the entire Rafidi/Twelver cult in the western world"

Oh so I am part of a cult now. Is he implying that I do not even deserve to go to Hajj? If I am part of a cult, clearly I am not Muslim in his eyes.

 

"The Rawafid should take note that we are upon the aquida of Ibn Hajar Haytami, Nur alDin Zengi, Salah alDin Ayyubi who subjugated Rafidis as with the will of Allah we will do also"

Again 'halal' insult engaged. I should be subjugated because of my belief in respecting the family of the prophet over and above a few companions.

 

"Get your mullas and 'ayatollahs' ready"

Does Asrar not understand that an Ayatollah studies for at least 25 to 30 years and that most of them hit 40 and 50 years of study? He literally just undermined every scholar we have.

 

"The Shia have not announced a venue to host this event"

Which Shia? Who is Asrar addressing? Is there a group who has been voted for by the British Shia public as the UK Shia Defense Force who are organising this for His Excellency Sheikh Asrar? What a joke.

 

"No more excuses. You have already been given ample room to choose a scholar and venue and so forth"

Who has been given ample room? Who is he addressing? Is this aimed at the Shias who posted a barrage of insults and garbage on his wall? Is he suggesting that these Shia nut cases represent all the UK Shia?

 

"The Shia (more specifically ... ) have spread false information"

Again, "the Shia". Asrar should know that I have not spread false information, yet he is happy with this comment on his wall.

 

I am sorry, Sheikh Asrar can keep his followers to himself and do whatever he wants. I will not think highly of him since he has a greater responsibility to be wiser than the regular laymans who threw insults at him. If he wants people to respect him, he should stop bad mouthing all Shias just because a few people on his Facebook wall posted obscenities.

 

Then after the event, he has the nerve to post the most beautiful and serene comment as though we are all best of friends: "Following a peaceful and productive discussion with representatives of the Shia community, debate conditions have been initiated"

Note, this time he uses "representatives of the Shia community". He didn't say "Following a peaceful and productive discussion with *the Shias*". Yes, he posted a good comment, but a little late after all the other incendiary posts which have included me in his insults. I didn't dare post a single comment on his wall as I knew it was pointless to have a rational discussion there.

 

Of course, as always, a group of people will hate the point I have made because they cannot be bothered to put their hate aside and think rationally. That's up to them however.

 

Peace.

 

EDIT:

%%% I should say, that I hope my post does not influence anyone to create mischief. I wanted to highlight that I strongly believe Asrar should formally apologise for his conduct. However, moving forward, whether he apologises or not, I really wish that this debate he is having with some members of Shia community goes smoothly and peacefully without conflict. %%%

Firstly it is important to note that this is the first time Sh Asrar has interacted with Shia. So I can excuse him for reacting like that if he did considering for Sunnis attacking Abu Bakr  radiyAllahu angu is a major offensive thing.

 

secondly  who knows what good will come out of this? 

Thirdly Shia scholars also generalise in the same way.

[Musa.]

Funny how that Asrar Rashid guy said he is busy when Allahyaar called his mosque!

[guest050817]

On 11/3/2016 at 11:17 PM, DigitalUmmah said:

oh my god the police officer LITERALLY says that he had no idea that the debate was going ahead. read point 1!!!!! 

so when the lying coward bakri idiot asrar rashid said there will be a police presence there when he issued his challenge a few weeks ago....what police presence was he talking about if the police did not know about it?

answer: he was LYING. 

What good can come by abusing clerics of other schools in this manner ? 

A sunni user here on this thread said how shocked he was to hear shia's abusing.

Sadly, that is the image he will get of followers of the ahlulbayt asws.

 

[guest050817]

People were rude, abusive, difficult with the Prophet s.a.w and his Ahlulbayt asws, but they exercised patience. Through their good manners, patience, and emphasis on rational debate, instead of merely responding with abuse, many joined their ranks.

We all have to put aside our ego's and recognise as the only active forum for shia's, and a place where our sunni brothers and sisters frequent, there needs to be an elevated standard of akhlaq shown. We are representing the Ahlulbayt asws, and we owe it to them to emulate their way of dialogue and discussion.

A number of people here dislike me, and frankly, i'm not here to make friends either, and i care little about popularity. So it should be clear i have no interest in building ego or putting anyone down. I speak about this issue sincerely, and i hope before posting to refute me, you would spend a minute to reflect on what i have written.

 

[guest050817]

48 minutes ago, Hasan50 said:

Where has Sh Asrar debated atheists or been put on the spot by one?

I have respect for Asrar Rashid, especially after his waseelah debates. I understand given the high position of certain sahaba, why he would feel offended with SAN's lecture.  If anyone on here has abused Asrar Rashid, then accept my apologies. We may disagree on theology, but it is unwise to start name calling and slandering. 

Naturally, i would disagree with him on his views and stances in any debate on some of the companions, but don't go away from shiachat thinking we are all abusive and rude.

Edited November 7, 2016 by uponthesunnah

[Hasan50]

1 hour ago, Musa. said:

Funny how that Asrar Rashid guy said he is busy when Allahyaar called his mosque!

Shaykh Asrar was not on the phone. It was a random youth.

 

The appointed time was 8.30 Allahyari phoned at 9pm.

By then the representatives of Abu  Zaynab Hairi and other Shia had arrived. Shaykh Asrar was busy in discussion with them when Allahyari rang.

 

Sh Asrar then announced he will be debating with Abu Zaynab and they will be discussing in private the conditions and then announce the time for debate in public. Sh Asrar also announced thatAbu Zaynab will be given priority as he wants a face to face and is based in UK.

[guest050817]

1 minute ago, Hasan50 said:

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Can i also just add, allahyari is someone we do not revere or look at too kindly.  He has abused a number of our ulema. It's truly a joke to see some shia's here absolutely ignorant of this.

But just understand, this is a forum after all. Anyone can post. Don't consider views expressed as representative of our general opinions. Imho, i don't think Asrar Rashid would shy from a debate. I've seen him vs the dawahman crew on the waseelah debates. 

I think more positively of Asrar Rashid, than the man who spreads filth and fitnah in Allahyari. 

[Hasan50]

Shaykh Asrar can handle atheists:

 

 

[von Lohengramm]

51 minutes ago, Hasan50 said:

Shaykh Asrar can handle atheists.

This guy is just parroting off a script through the entirety of the video --- quite a menial task, wouldn't you agree? Obviously he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, and his philosophical knowledge is probably below rudimentary. I mean he still thinks Paley's argument for design has never been refuted, and seems to think it has never been challenged either, and yet believes it will make the evolutionary theory "fall apart". Let's be real, if he debated any atheist --- even the likes of Dawkins --- he'd get completely destroyed. He should stick to Shia-Sunni polemics.

[Sirius_Bright]

5 hours ago, uponthesunnah said:

I think more positively of Asrar Rashid, than the man who spreads filth and fitnah in Allahyari. 

I may/may not agree with his approach but I'll support Allahyari any day in front of any non-shia especially when no one else is standing against challenge.

[Hasan50]

12 hours ago, Vestige said:

This guy is just parroting off a script through the entirety of the video --- quite a menial task, wouldn't you agree? Obviously he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, and his philosophical knowledge is probably below rudimentary. I mean he still thinks Paley's argument for design has never been refuted, and seems to think it has never been challenged either, and yet believes it will make the evolutionary theory "fall apart". Let's be real, if he debated any atheist --- even the likes of Dawkins --- he'd get completely destroyed. He should stick to Shia-Sunni polemics.

No he does not. He mentions Hume and others who refuted the design argument and he says Paley's examples are outdated but his core argument id valid.

 

He definitley is not reading off a script in any of the videos.

[Hasan50]

 

 

I like the answers on evolution at the end here off his mind

[ServantOfTheOne]

14 hours ago, Hasan50 said:

Firstly it is important to note that this is the first time Sh Asrar has interacted with Shia. So I can excuse him for reacting like that if he did considering for Sunnis attacking Abu Bakr  radiyAllahu angu is a major offensive thing.

 

secondly  who knows what good will come out of this? 

Thirdly Shia scholars also generalise in the same way.

I doubt this is the first time he interacted with the Shia. But perhaps it is first time that he done so on this scale, yes. Shias attacking Abu Bakr is different because there is a precedent for it (whether it is weak hadith or not). It is a historical thing. Also, attacking Abu Bakr does not make someone a hypocrite. Asrar attacking a wider group without precedent based on the actions of the few is not excusable.

Shia scholars who generalise in the same way should also apologise. And the fact that some Shia scholars do this does not excuse Asrar's actions.

 

Saying all this however, Inshallah a lot of good will come from the debate events in their entirety. And also, more importantly, may everyone keep their calm and just remember that regardless of the debates, the Ummah as a whole has been on earth since year 11 A.H. I hope no new hostilities develop; and may old hostilities wither away by the grace of our collective intellect.

[Ali_Hussain]

There is a new video out from the other night, but honestly it is a waste of time to watch it, he only goes over the reasons behind the debate, no information about the actual debate is in this video.

 

[Hameedeh]

^ Did not watch that video, just the first 5 minutes. He said what we already know: Sheikh Asrar Rashid does not represent all Sunnis nor all Sufis. Members here at ShiaChat have said that Sheikh Allahyari does not represent all Shias. 

[guest050817]

12 minutes ago, hameedeh said:

^ Did not watch that video, just the first 5 minutes. He said what we already know: Sheikh Asrar Rashid does not represent all Sunnis nor all Sufis. Members here at ShiaChat have said that Sheikh Allahyari does not represent all Shias. 

Sheikh Asrar is one of the more moderate sunni's. The sort we shia's need to unite with, against the salafi's.  Allahyari, the one who abuses our ulema, and reviles ayatullah khomeini, and khamanei, a fitnah mongerer, similar to the ilk of yasser habib, is the worst possible person i could have imagined meeting his challenge.

 

[guest050817]

7 hours ago, Hasan50 said:

 

 

I like the answers on evolution at the end here off his mind

We muslims ought to be uniting against atheism, and supporting each other, sunni or shia. I have not watched the video's to judge, but i hope no-one has made false statements against sheikh asrar just because we do not see eye to eye one some sahaba's.

 

[Hasan50]

I think responsible  Shias need to contact Shaykh Asrar and reach out to him.

[guest050817]

4 hours ago, Hasan50 said:

I think responsible  Shias need to contact Shaykh Asrar and reach out to him.

Any idea where we could email him?

Edited November 8, 2016 by uponthesunnah

[DigitalUmmah]

7 hours ago, Hasan50 said:

I think responsible  Shias need to contact Shaykh Asrar and reach out to him.

to do what?

[DigitalUmmah]

3 hours ago, uponthesunnah said:

Any idea where we could email him?

And do what? 

[guest050817]

44 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

And do what? 

Inform him that Allahyari is not representative of shia's, and is more an outcast, a man who abuses and reviles a number of our own ulema. 

Furthermore, inform him that we wish to unite with him where we can, against the salafi's, and against salafi Islam , since shia's and the dominant view of the ahlus-sunnah wal jamaah are considered mushriks for the belief in waseelah / tawassul/ and istigatha.

Having reflected on this issue, while i agree with SAN on a number of issues, from Muawiyah to the official shi'i positions on the caliphs [though not everything], i fail to see how Daesh and Alqaeda and bokkoharram take direct inspiration from the Caliphs.

1. Daesh members are more vigilante-type khawarij, and have little grounding in the Quran and Sunnah, and distort even the official sunni positions. Even if Ali ibn abi talib a.s would have been the caliph first, he had many enemies that would have been akin to terrorist groups in existence.

2. According to our own ahadith, Ali ibn Abi Talib a.s was the one who actually burned people who worshipped him and bowed down to him alive. Such was the disgust Ali a.s had towards people who exaggerated him. The hadith is actually authentic in our own books. So using examples from sunni's as Daesh's inspiration...is actually an attack on Ali ibn abi talib a.s. But i'll watch the video if it ever comes back on, so i can find the real context.

@Haydar Husayn I agree with you on this issue now, i change my earlier position.

 

Now the debate is on the 'uprightness of the Sahaba'. I want to advise Sheikh Asrar why it would be better for both sides to maintain respect when discussing the others revered symbols, and not engage in a debate publicly about this, in the current climate, and ultimately, allow Allah azwj to be the judge.

Edited November 8, 2016 by uponthesunnah

[DigitalUmmah]

Just now, uponthesunnah said:

Inform him that Allahyari is not representative of shia's, and is more an outcast, a man who abuses and reviles a number of our own ulema. 

Furthermore, inform him that we wish to unite with him where we can, against the salafi's, and against salafi Islam , since shia's and the dominant view of the ahlus-sunnah wal jamaah are considered mushriks for the belief in waseelah / tawassul/ and istigatha.

so yourself a favour and do not get involved in this. your ridiculous views and always pandering to bakris and always apologising to them like some spineless worm is tolerated here but will not be tolerated in real life. plus you will be made a target. do not draw the anger of mallangs. you do not represent anyone but yourself, and do not speak on behalf of any shia. plus people are well aware of allahyaris views since everyone in the world is not an idiot, and youtube exists. do you not think people, sunni and shia have researched him? you are completely irrelevant in real life, no one cares what you think, sunni will not make your friends and you will forever be seen as the traitor you are by the shia. bear in mind any contact you have with them will be screenshotted and distributed all over the world so think twice before emailing them poetry you wrote in praise of omar. 

back out of this, tawheed. and stay out. go read tarawih or something to keep yourself busy the situation is under control without your intervention. all you are going to do is spoil something amazing. 

and JFYI the event did a lot more for shia-sunni unity than anything else. have you not seen what sunni are saying about it on facebook? they were praising the event and the shia who attended. 

[guest050817]

2 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

so yourself a favour and do not get involved in this. your ridiculous views and always pandering to bakris and always apologising to them like some spineless worm is tolerated here but will not be tolerated in real life. plus you will be made a target. do not draw the anger of mallangs. you do not represent anyone but yourself, and do not speak on behalf of any shia. plus people are well aware of allahyaris views since everyone in the world is not an idiot, and youtube exists. do you not think people, sunni and shia have researched him? you are completely irrelevant in real life, no one cares what you think, sunni will not make your friends and you will forever be seen as the traitor you are by the shia. bear in mind any contact you have with them will be screenshotted and distributed all over the world so think twice before emailing them poetry you wrote in praise of omar. 

back out of this, tawheed. and stay out. go read tarawih or something to keep yourself busy the situation is under control without your intervention. all you are going to do is spoil something amazing. 

and JFYI the event did a lot more for shia-sunni unity than anything else. have you not seen what sunni are saying about it on facebook? they were praising the event and the shia who attended. 

I will not return your distortions of my positions and attacks on my character with like, for Allah azwj says in his Quran: 'Repel evil with that which is better'.

 

 

[DigitalUmmah]

Just now, uponthesunnah said:

I will not return your distortions of my positions and attacks on my character with like, for Allah azwj says in his Quran: 'Repel evil with that which is better'.

yes well "that which is better" is for you to not stick your nose in. 

[Al-Hussayni]

 

Challenge Accepted!


1. Background


In October 2016 Sheikh Asrar Rashid issued a challenge to the Shia Muslim community residing in the west to debate him on the 5th of November 2016. Some members of UK based Shia Muslim community undertook a co-ordinated response to the challenge and the attached video captures some of the events on the said date. 


2. Entering the Mosque


A large group of Shia Muslims entered Hazrat Mujadid-Alf-e-Sani Mosque (“the Mosque”) just after 8:35pm. The Shia attendees entered in a co-ordinated and disciplined manner. They were welcomed by the organizers.


3. Introducing the reasons for the debate


Sheikh Asrar went on to mention Dr Ammar Naqshwani’s lecture (called Radical Islam, wherein he sought to evidence the nexus modern say Islamic terrorist movements to the practices of the Shaikhain) and he challenged him to a debate with regards to the comments made therein, Naqshwani failed to reply, he therefore issued a challenge to any Shia Ulema and Zakirs to debate him.

Whilst the representatives of the two Imambarghas in Birmingham stated they did not want to enter into a debate, he stated that he had not witnessed any official statement from the Shia Ulema distancing themselves from what Naqshwani had said. Sheikh Asrar then went on to ask if any member of the Shia community was ready to join him on stage, but placed a caveat that the person joining him on the stage needed to clarify which body / maraja he represents, a failure to do so would preclude the scholar from debating him.

A Shia member of the audience (“the Representative”) joined Sheikh Asrar on the stage and confirmed that he was attending on behalf of a scholar who had brought conditions for a debate (that he had with him). The Representative was invited to go to a separate room; he left the stage and was escorted upstairs.

Observation: It is concerning that Sheikh Asrar sought to “alter the goalposts” on the day of the debate, as his initial challenge in his Facebook post of October 20th at 7:33pm was to “all your clerics”, and yet on the day in question is insisted it has to be one that in effect rubber stamped by a Shia body. This was a most unfair proposal since:

- we did ask not Sheikh Asrar to evidence that ALL the Ulema of Ahl’ul Sunnah had granted him the authority to partake in this debate as their official representative; and

- nor can Sheikh Asrar say that he represents the entire corpus of Sunni Islam, since the said Sect is made of a plethora of groups ranging from Deobandi, Salafi, Barelvi etc. It should be noted that Ashari Sufis (that Sheikh Asrar ascribes to) are themselves divided into groups, that deem each other to be innovators.

In any case, that matter was resolved.


4. Dialogue

After the Shia Representative was accompanied by two other members of the Shia congregation, they were joined by Sheikh Asrar. All attendees were in agreement that this meeting was a private one, as such, none of it could be recorded that hence prevents us from disclosing details of what was discussed therein. The Representative confirmed that he came on behalf of Sheikh Aboo Zaynab al Haeri. A constructive dialogue commenced with regards to the proposed subject matter and conditions of the debate (as proposed by Sheikh Aboo Zayneb al Haeri). Contact numbers were exchanged and it was agreed that dialogue would continue with a view to agreeing the debate subject matter as well as the conditions of the debate.


5. The Way Forward


Sheikh Asrar and Sheikh Aboo Zaynab are fully committed to having this debate and their respective representatives have commenced dialogue to enable this. Updates will be provided once that debate subject and conditions have been agreed. We would ask that the Shia Muslim community observe patience and not pursue us for any updates as we will not respond to any personal updates.

[Hasan50]

12 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

so yourself a favour and do not get involved in this. your ridiculous views and always pandering to bakris and always apologising to them like some spineless worm is tolerated here but will not be tolerated in real life. plus you will be made a target. do not draw the anger of mallangs. you do not represent anyone but yourself, and do not speak on behalf of any shia. plus people are well aware of allahyaris views since everyone in the world is not an idiot, and youtube exists. do you not think people, sunni and shia have researched him? you are completely irrelevant in real life, no one cares what you think, sunni will not make your friends and you will forever be seen as the traitor you are by the shia. bear in mind any contact you have with them will be screenshotted and distributed all over the world so think twice before emailing them poetry you wrote in praise of omar. 

back out of this, tawheed. and stay out. go read tarawih or something to keep yourself busy the situation is under control without your intervention. all you are going to do is spoil something amazing. 

and JFYI the event did a lot more for shia-sunni unity than anything else. have you not seen what sunni are saying about it on facebook? they were praising the event and the shia who attended. 

Why are you threatening him with malaangs? What will they do? 

 

I am going to inbox the brother Sh Asrars contact details very soon.

[haideriam]

Brother A true Sunni,

did I catch a glimpse of you in the mosque when the camera fell upon the shia boys.

Good bunch of brothers there. 

[DigitalUmmah]

1 hour ago, haideriam said:

Brother A true Sunni,

did I catch a glimpse of you in the mosque when the camera fell upon the shia boys.

Good bunch of brothers there. 

wait....what

[haideriam]

^^^

the brothers who had gone to debate Sheikh Asrar, see video .

 

[Hasan50]

Yasir Habib and Allahyaari are a joke. Numerous Shia have exposed them.