Assad is illegitimate-the inconvenient truth

[SalmanYasir]

Salaam all,

 

As we reflect on the tragic events 1400 years ago due to the dictator in Damascus, let us ponder on the inconvenient but truth of tragic events of today from the dictator of Damascus today.

 

Yazid wanted his power at all costs even if it meant killing Imam Husain (as) and his family members.

 

Like 70 of the Prophet's descendants killed by Yazid, perhaps thousands of the Prophet's descendants have been killed among the up to 500,000 Syrians killed by Assad who also wants to keep power at all costs.

 

So sad that Iran has been instrumental in continuing to support this mass murdering war criminal.

 

And sad that Iran wants to keep Assad's family in power although this sect is outside of Islam since their doctrine is that Imam Ali (s) is God (astaghfirullah, astaghriullah, astaghrifullah).

 

May we all pray for peace in Syria so the efforts of the Syrian people who went to the streets for democracy is answered by Allah.

 

May the region be protected from the terrorists of ISIS and other terrorists and may it also be free of the continued tyranny of Assad and his family who is receiving massive and continued support of Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq militia members, and Russia in killing Syrian civilians and making life for Syrians a living monstrosity.

 

Sometimes the truth is inconvenient but as Muslims, we must acknowledge the truth and speak out or at least pray to Allah for forgiveness for our sectarian and political weaknesses in pointing out the truth.  And may we pray for Allah to grant justice to all and to grant everyone knowledge, forgiveness, mercy, goodness, and the commitment to justice and courage so as to accept truths no matter how inconvenient they are.

 

May we fully return to the only source that is fully authentic, the guidance of Allah in the Qur'an that he sent down to us all.  May we not allow secondary and partially corrupted Islamic sources and politically rabid and sectarian leaders and mobs to dilute the truth that is in the Qur'an.

 

Ameen.   

[myouvial]

So you still alive and kicking.

[Aabiss_Shakari]

Let us all leave dictator Assad and welcome Al-Nusra, ISIS typo animals and God forbid wait the time they demolish holy places like their illegitomate ideological father Shah Saud did. 

[A true Sunni]

26 minutes ago, SalmanYasir said:

Salaam all,

 

As we reflect on the tragic events 1400 years ago due to the dictator in Damascus, let us ponder on the inconvenient but truth of tragic events of today from the dictator of Damascus today.

 

Yazid wanted his power at all costs even if it meant killing Imam Husain (as) and his family members.

 

Like 70 of the Prophet's descendants killed by Yazid, perhaps thousands of the Prophet's descendants have been killed among the up to 500,000 Syrians killed by Assad who also wants to keep power at all costs.

 

So sad that Iran has been instrumental in continuing to support this mass murdering war criminal.

 

And sad that Iran wants to keep Assad's family in power although this sect is outside of Islam since their doctrine is that Imam Ali (s) is God (astaghfirullah, astaghriullah, astaghrifullah).

 

May we all pray for peace in Syria so the efforts of the Syrian people who went to the streets for democracy is answered by Allah.

 

May the region be protected from the terrorists of ISIS and other terrorists and may it also be free of the continued tyranny of Assad and his family who is receiving massive and continued support of Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq militia members, and Russia in killing Syrian civilians and making life for Syrians a living monstrosity.

 

Sometimes the truth is inconvenient but as Muslims, we must acknowledge the truth and speak out or at least pray to Allah for forgiveness for our sectarian and political weaknesses in pointing out the truth.  And may we pray for Allah to grant justice to all and to grant everyone knowledge, forgiveness, mercy, goodness, and the commitment to justice and courage so as to accept truths no matter how inconvenient they are.

 

May we fully return to the only source that is fully authentic, the guidance of Allah in the Qur'an that he sent down to us all.  May we not allow secondary and partially corrupted Islamic sources and politically rabid and sectarian leaders and mobs to dilute the truth that is in the Qur'an.

 

Ameen.   

I totally hear where you are coming from however you have to question why the Shias and for that matter all the other minority groups including Sunni Kurds dont trust the Sunni Arabs to protect their rights in any democratic government.

Democracy is not just about largest group rules its also about protecting the rights of the minorities. The Saudis have pumped billions of dollars into subverting the Sunni ideology. So its very difficult to seperate the extremists from the real Sunnis  

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by A true Sunni

[myouvial]

16 minutes ago, Aabiss_Shakari said:

Let us all leave dictator Assad and welcome Al-Nusra, ISIS typo animals and God forbid wait the time they demolish holy places like their illegitomate ideological father Shah Saud did. 

I am just wondering if this type of opinion is bugging/creeping on my internet research. I saw postage in shiachat about what was going on Lybia, and slowly creeping to Syria. So, i know the trend and pattern as we know internet is now occupied by western ideology.

[rinneganMahdi]

Assad was chosen by majority of syrian people to be the leader , he is a secular kurdish leader , the war in Syria is all because the zionist regime could not stand assads relationship with hezbollah and Iran , therefore they trained mercenaries who were able to recruit brain washed laymen who believe that the war in Syria was a jihad and that this army of daesh/al nusra is the chosen army of God the prophecised black flags ( hence why isis carries black flags) , another reason is due to syrian and iraqi resources on top of all this what motivates laymen to join daesh is their relentless hate for the lovers of muhammad and ahle muhammad and their are more reasons , but the bottom line is that the root cause of this war is the illegitimate zionist regime of Saudi Arabia and Israel 

[Noah-]

I did read a few statements... If I am not mistaken, this guy is saying that Assad is Yazid, AND, Al-Nusra, ISIS, Jaishul Hurr, and all the rebel terrorists who killed hundreds of thousands of ppl, raped women, enslaved minorities, and hundreds of other crimes are actually equal to Imam Hussein and his companions in Karbala?

I am sorry, but totally nonsense. And just like western media pointing the blames of '500,000' ppl killed by Assad regime? Oh yea? And all of them killed by the regime? How many rebels killed?

 

[myouvial]

24 minutes ago, Noah- said:

I did read a few statements... If I am not mistaken, this guy is saying that Assad is Yazid, AND, Al-Nusra, ISIS, Jaishul Hurr, and all the rebel terrorists who killed hundreds of thousands of ppl, raped women, enslaved minorities, and hundreds of other crimes are actually equal to Imam Hussein and his companions in Karbala?

I am sorry, but totally nonsense. And just like western media pointing the blames of '500,000' ppl killed by Assad regime? Oh yea? And all of them killed by the regime? How many rebels killed?

 

. That is why i post that if the OP actuallly alive or not. But anyway, as true ahlul bayt a.s.'s follower andhuman nowadays we have to deal with this things.

[rinneganMahdi]

22 minutes ago, Noah- said:

I did read a few statements... If I am not mistaken, this guy is saying that Assad is Yazid, AND, Al-Nusra, ISIS, Jaishul Hurr, and all the rebel terrorists who killed hundreds of thousands of ppl, raped women, enslaved minorities, and hundreds of other crimes are actually equal to Imam Hussein and his companions in Karbala?

I am sorry, but totally nonsense. And just like western media pointing the blames of '500,000' ppl killed by Assad regime? Oh yea? And all of them killed by the regime? How many rebels killed?

 

Yes he likened assad to yazeed (la) but the OP also stated that he disagrees with the terrorist groups like isis as well , the OP however put more emphasis on how he is disappointed in iran and hezbollah for supporting assad , for some reason I get a feeling the OP is not a shia muslim... anyway the OP's statements against assad being a tyrant are not valid

Edited October 11, 2016 by rinneganMahdi

[wmehar2]

No matter how you spin it, innocent blood is on Assad's hands and he bears what the Quran constitutionally calls for fighting against tyrants and oppression.  That is not to say we shouldn't be fighting against the oppression of Saudi Arabia and their extreme wahabi Ideology that has no place in Sunnism or Islam for that matter.  There's innocent blood on Da3sh's hands, Nusra's, Taliban's, Russia, US, Assad, Turkey, That land that tries to call itself a country, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many other tyrannical/dictator like regimes (peace be upon those recently who lost their lives in Yemen).

All of them are guilty of some form of oppression.

Innocent people have been forced into the power vacuum, and Assad has but to give up or find a suitable replacement (shia or sunni, I don't care) that's anyone other than himself or his family to save all those lives that are continuing to die, and he hasn't.   If he's not willing to concede to peace stipulations on the table, then it is he whose been consumed by power or corrupted into thinking he's the only hero who will preserve his country (that's no longer a country anymore, and won't be for the next few decades).

 

---------------------

Alawis are self-described Shia Muslims, and have been called Shia by other sources^[66][67] including the highly influential Lebanese Shia cleric Musa al-Sadr of Lebanon,^[66][68] and Iranian religious and political leader Ruhollah Khomeini.^[69][70][71] Although Alawites consider themselves to be Muslims,^[61]Sunni Muslims generally dispute this due to theological differences.^[72]The Alawites did not sign or endorse the Amman Message which was a global initiative including scholars from within Sunni, Shi'ite and other Muslim sects in agreement about the foundations of defining a Muslim.^[73]

The Oxford Cyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World (1995) describes them as "extremist" Shi’ia whose "religious system separates them from Sunni Muslims," but also states that they "celebrate Mass, including consecration of bread and wine."^[18]

Alawite doctrine incorporates Gnostic, neo-Platonic, Islamic, Christian and other elements and has, therefore, been described as syncretic.^[14][74]

Divinity

Their theology is based on a divine triad,^[61][75][76] or trinity, which is the core of Alawite belief.^[77] The triad comprises three emanations of the one God: the supreme aspect or entity called the "Essence"^[77] or the "Meaning"^[76] (both being translations of maʿnā), together with two lesser emanations known as his "Name" (ism), or "Veil" (ḥijāb), and his "Gate" (bāb).^{[75][76][77][78]} These emanations have manifested themselves in different human forms over several cycles in history, the last cycle of which was as Ali (the Essence/Meaning), Muhammad (the Name) and Salman the Persian (the Gate).^{[75][77][78][79][80]} Alawite belief is summarised in the formula: “I turn to the Gate; I bow before the Name; I adore the Meaning.”^[6][61]

^{---------------------------------------}

It seems they don't want to try and push for Muslim Unity either. 

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by wmehar2

[myouvial]

41 minutes ago, rinneganMahdi said:

Yes he likened assad to yazeed (la) but the OP also stated that he disagrees with the terrorist groups like isis as well , the OP however put more emphasis on how he is disappointed in iran and hezbollah for supporting assad , for some reason I get a feeling the OP is not a shia muslim... anyway the OP's statements against assad being a tyrant are not valid

The USA (Hillary/Trump) is also disagrees with the terrorist groups.

[Ibn Al-Shahid]

The problem here is that people think they should go full monty with their support of a fallible human being. Assad has blood on his hands, yes, but he's the best choice at the moment. Put anyone else in, and watch all hell break loose.

[myouvial]

I do not know who is the deceived human (deceived by other human or situation or his aql) which must deceive without consciousness.

[Sawa]

Salam,

I think the people in Syria don't care about democracy anymore, foreign powers have destroyed Syria, Assad destroyed Syria by his love of power, this conflict could of been resolved if he had stepped down but he didn't, this conflict will not be resolved militarily once people understand this then the major powers in the region and world can try to solve it peacefully and rationally 

[myouvial]

Assad's body is small. And "he destroyed Syria" after his father lead Syria ? Ok, i think it make sense who is talking this (he destroyed Syria).

[Noah-]

The war in Syria is NOT about Assad, never was and never will be about Assad.

This is a war that everyone fights, and I DOUBT everyone is fighting to empower Assad.... and even in the opposition, I DON'T THINK everyone is fighting Assad just to throw him out and then sit back.

This is a war of Takfiris, a war that the Zionists worked for it for many years to create the conditions in Syria and put the entire region, west and east onto each other, and create a mess, using Sunnis stupidity.

This is a war that Saudi, Qatari, and other little puppets money$$ played a huge role in it. This is a war of thugs waged against Syria. THIS IS A WAR where Europe, Gulf States, Australia and many more countries waited for to export their radical-terrorist Jihadis and purify their own states... for them a Syria/Libya were chosen as dumpster of Jihadis and their sympathizers  just as they did it to Afghanistan/Pakistan back in 1980s and in Libya some years ago. This is a war to finalize and cut all ties and hands of Iran in the ME. This is a war where they expect to disappoint the Russians for good and forever and throw them out of ME altogether.

Hizbullah, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians and many more who fight alongside of the Syrian government whose current president is Assad is doing the right thing. Russia is welcomed anytime.

And all the Takfiris, Turkish-Saudi gangs, Israeli and western policies and their trained terror groups are NOT welcomed and should be fought in Syria.

There never been a third option! Anyone who is arguing otherwise is either very naïve, intentionally doing so and is on the side of Takfir, and Salafis, and the western imperialistic agendas for the middle east.

Who is Assad? Who cares? As a person he doesn't really mean anything to any of the conflicts that is waged in Syria.

He comes from the Alawi background who is married to a Sunni woman, who is a so called secular-Baathist and who sometimes prays his hands folded like Sunnis during important religious events. He has nothing to do with Shia Islam. And if tomorrow Assad is assassinated or dies or runs away, then we'll have the same situation on the ground in Syria.

No country is perfect, not the dictators in the ME and not the western hypocrites, Assad and his regime is just another regime and another leader within 190+ countries of the world... they will answer for their deeds in the day of judgments just like all other leaders and officials. But, for now we want them to keep doing the good deeds and eliminating more terrorists in Syria.

Edited October 11, 2016 by Noah-

[Sawa]

Noah: All foreign powers that back the rebels and every rebel group stipulates as a settlement for peace is Assad stepping down, that is a fact. This war will never end unless the foreign powers come to an agreement, it is fine to speak of an unending fight against terrorism when it is not your country, khaleeji and american money and weapons will not out any time soon and only a political settlement will end this war. Assad is hated by a huge amount of Syrians, yet those who support him will never realize this, they will continue to believe the fantasy that he has 90 % of Syrian support or that his status as "president" of Syria doesn't matter, when it does. 

[myouvial]

https://www.rt.com/news/350370-us-terrorism-philippine-president/

 

[Noah-]

53 minutes ago, Sawa said:

Noah: All foreign powers that back the rebels and every rebel group stipulates as a settlement for peace is Assad stepping down, that is a fact.

No, they are NOT.  And the fact is that: ISIS, Jabatul Nusra, Ahrar al-Shaam, Jundul Aqsa, (who constitute 90% of so called rebels) do not agree with you or with any fact. You are telling me these groups have any plans for Syria or for peace if Assad steps down? That is why before finishing Syria they entered Iraq, Lebanon, Libya and Yemen? And some of them declared their loyalty to Ayman Al-Zawahir and some to Sharia, the rest to butchering everyone and calling even Alqaida as Kafir and infidel, and trying to boss the Jihadists by declaring themselves the ultra-extremists of Baghdadi's illegitimate babies. That is your imagination and is because you fully see things sectarian in Syria. Anyhow, I explained everything on what you are trying to say in my previous post... just read it carefully.

Edited October 11, 2016 by Noah-

[Shiawarrior313]

As Noah said, there is only 2 sides to this. Resistance (shias and their allies), and zionist/imperialist/takfiris. No third side. All foreign powers do not fall under the zionist flag, and no political settlement will end this war. The war will be decided in the battlefield with defeating of the takfiri forces, running them out of major cities and strongholds. This has been done before and will be done again.

Iran had to go through this at the beginning of its revolution in the 1980s, with the munafiq groups (MKO), who were just as merciless as these takfiris. Iranians united and finished them. Syrians can do the same. After, they can, under calm conditions, decide the fait of their country.

[Sawa]

Noah: Those groups exist because of khaleeji funding and the gulf countries accept the geneva plan to end the conflict but their top condition is Assad steeping down. You people live in a narrow fantasy world where this will end in the battlefield with a glorious victory for the "resistance", it will not, it is not sectarian to say that this conflict will not end on the battlefield it is rational. And as long as this conflict endures only sectarian hatred will permeate in the region. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Sawa

[Noah-]

^I am sorry, I can't help but to say that you are making a very stupid argument.

You say, Assad should step down, then Khaleeji funding to ISIS, Nusra, Ahrar Al Sham, and 10s of other Sh***t groups will stop AND then overnight these groups will fall? Who is taking over in the meantime?

Do we see Gaddafi anymore in Libya? And why is that the khaleeji/Turkish funding of Libyans start/stopped and then everything went back to normal? Or still Gaddafi should step down from his grave for groups and little puppets of the West, X-general and Y officer to run the country and the ISIS should disappear? And what was so wrong with the Iraqi government or the Lebanese government where these terrorist orgs were sent onto them? And Yemen? Why the little dog Hadi is not stepping down and he even ran away with his presidency seat to Riyadh and trying to run his country from there?

You live in a fantasy world, first to believe in such an idea, and second, to shamelessly admit and then support the idea of khaleejis supporting the 'rebels' as long as Assad is in power. Guess what, that is another evidence for Assad's righteousness to stay... when khaleeji governments fund terrorists to make him go, that testifies to the goodness of Assad. Khaleej = terrorism, backwardness, slavery, submission, oppression, discrimination from Qatif to Bahrain, from Sanaa to Doha, human rights violation, and 100s of more... Khaleej MUST go, not Assad. And many of them may go before Assad.

 

[A true Sunni]

1 hour ago, Sawa said:

Noah: Those groups exist because of khaleeji funding and the gulf countries accept the geneva plan to end the conflict but their top condition is Assad steeping down. You people live in a narrow fantasy world where this will end in the battlefield with a glorious victory for the "resistance", it will not, it is not sectarian to say that this conflict will not end on the battlefield it is rational. And as long as this conflict endures only sectarian hatred will permeate in the region. 

The sectarian narrative is an easy one for everyone to swallow because its like kiddies guide to politics. However the reality is somewhat different.

The vast majority of minority groups though they yearn for democracy do not trust Extremist Sunnis to protect their rights. So lets look at adding up these groups

Christians 10%

Alawis       12%

Kurds        15%

Druze          3%

That totals  40%

Though Assad only control 25% of the territory 70% of the population live there. Even when it appeared that he was close to collapse he ruled 65% of the population.

So at least 50% of the Sunni Arabs are living under Assad and have been since the start of the civil war.    

[rinneganMahdi]

So what you're saying is that if assad listens to the takfiris and steps down there will be peace in Syria? Wow this is such a fairy tale ! You actually believe that the liver eating sons of hind (la) will be great leaders for Syria? The same barbarians that kidnap young yazdi girls and rape them till they die? The same barbarians that shoot innocent sunnis , shias , Christians and other minorities because they don't agree with the takfiri beliefs? These child abusing son's of hind (la) and iblees (la) deserve nothing but to be sent to the scorching hell fire for their crimes against humanity , these animals are not fighting for islam they just can't control their lusts for this world hence why they rape and pillage whatever they lay their evil eyes on , they are a gang of thugs and pirates who have caused the greatest harm to the religion of islam along with their zionist brethren , I swear as the day of ashura approaches I know that every shias heart is burning like an inferno and we can't wait to rip these illegitimate animals to pieces , once our beloved imam ( may Allah hasten his reappearance) gives us the call we will inshallah destroy this yazeedi filth from the face of the world

[Sawa]

Noah: I am talking about Syria (not Iraq, Libya or Yemen) in Syria there have been negotiations and the main funders of the horrible groups you mentioned accept the Geneva 2 accords and accept a certain framework for a peaceful transition and their international supporters support that framework. The Khaleeji can put pressure into these groups to stop violence. It is very easy for people to speak of war when the war does not affect you, I hate the gulf countries but I accept their horrid existence as a reality and if you believe that the horrible governments of the GCC aren't stable than you live in a fantasy world. And the Assad regime is more than one man yet you people don't understand this, you keep holding on to Assad as a symbol while Syria dies.

 

A True Sunni: I don't look at the Syrian conflict through a sectarian lens, I look at through a peace lens, I know people from Syria who've been affected by this horrible conflict, I want Syria to have peace and the quickest way to peace is for Assad to step down. 

[rinneganMahdi]

Okay if assad steps down who's hands will syria fall into? The zionists or the takfiris? Iran had to go through ten years of sacrifice after the revolution of 1979 and since the iranians fought hard and never lost faith in Allah swt now they are a beacon of light on the earth and also a sanctuary for the lovers of muhammad and ahle muhammad , if the syrians want peace they must remove the foreign zionist and takfiri filth from their lands and not submit to the tyrants who are making the syrians destroy their own country , assad is supported by majority of syrians so why should he step down ? Just because congress in Washington , tel aviv , riyadh , london , paris is not happy ? May Allah swt destroy these foreign satans and their mercenaries

Edited October 11, 2016 by rinneganMahdi

[Ibn Al-Shahid]

15 hours ago, myouvial said:

I do not know who is the deceived human (deceived by other human or situation or his aql) which must deceive without consciousness.

What does this mean?

[realizm]

15 hours ago, Noah- said:

The war in Syria is NOT about Assad, never was and never will be about Assad.

This is a war that everyone fights, and I DOUBT everyone is fighting to empower Assad.... and even in the opposition, I DON'T THINK everyone is fighting Assad just to throw him out and then sit back.

This is a war of Takfiris, a war that the Zionists worked for it for many years to create the conditions in Syria and put the entire region, west and east onto each other, and create a mess, using Sunnis stupidity.

This is a war that Saudi, Qatari, and other little puppets money$$ played a huge role in it. This is a war of thugs waged against Syria. THIS IS A WAR where Europe, Gulf States, Australia and many more countries waited for to export their radical-terrorist Jihadis and purify their own states... for them a Syria/Libya were chosen as dumpster of Jihadis and their sympathizers  just as they did it to Afghanistan/Pakistan back in 1980s and in Libya some years ago. This is a war to finalize and cut all ties and hands of Iran in the ME. This is a war where they expect to disappoint the Russians for good and forever and throw them out of ME altogether.

Hizbullah, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians and many more who fight alongside of the Syrian government whose current president is Assad is doing the right thing. Russia is welcomed anytime.

And all the Takfiris, Turkish-Saudi gangs, Israeli and western policies and their trained terror groups are NOT welcomed and should be fought in Syria.

There never been a third option! Anyone who is arguing otherwise is either very naïve, intentionally doing so and is on the side of Takfir, and Salafis, and the western imperialistic agendas for the middle east.

Who is Assad? Who cares? As a person he doesn't really mean anything to any of the conflicts that is waged in Syria.

He comes from the Alawi background who is married to a Sunni woman, who is a so called secular-Baathist and who sometimes prays his hands folded like Sunnis during important religious events. He has nothing to do with Shia Islam. And if tomorrow Assad is assassinated or dies or runs away, then we'll have the same situation on the ground in Syria.

No country is perfect, not the dictators in the ME and not the western hypocrites, Assad and his regime is just another regime and another leader within 190+ countries of the world... they will answer for their deeds in the day of judgments just like all other leaders and officials. But, for now we want them to keep doing the good deeds and eliminating more terrorists in Syria.

This is the Noah I like !

[SalmanYasir]

I recognize that there are extremist organizations that do not respect minorities like ISIS and Nusra.

This is not an issue of black and white.

But I see a lot of people in this forum in denial of justice.  Assad is illegitimate.  If he and his non-Muslim family's sect listened to the voices of majority calling for democracy, then there would have been justice in Syria.

When they chose to instead pump bullets in the heads of peaceful protester for month after month after month and so on...then extremists came in.

But the illegitimate Assad can negotiate with the opposition that the war criminal Assad will step down as long and democratic will thrive as long as there is guarantee that the minorities will not protected.  Assad can easily say that Nusra must not have any power or be allowed to control territory.  The moderates would agree as long as their is verifiable mechanisms that civilians will not be at the mercy of the Syrian war criminals and the foreign conspirators against democracy and justice.

There are mechanisms for such negotiation.

But the dictator Assad does not want to relinquish power.  There are even Alawis who are against Assad's family mafia control over Syria.  Assad does not want to let go of controlling all the power and all the money.  Iran does not want Muslims to control the territory instead of the nonMuslim Alawis.  Iran prefers nonMuslim Alawis who have shirk in their doctrine to control the territory.  Is not shirk a very serious issue? 

It is very ironic how the current government in Iran knows how evil it was to live under the dictator Shah.  The dictator Shah allowed people to pray, etc. just like Assad lets people to pray.  But the Shah did not allow democracy, did he?  Assad does not allow democracy, did he?

We have to call out hypocrisy when we see it.

I ask those who can make simplistic black and white statements to not comment.  

Don't poison others with your childish, sectarian, and unjust viciousness.  Don't Trump over Donald Trump.

 

[SalmanYasir]

I recognize that there are extremist organizations that do not respect minorities like ISIS and Nusra.

This is not an issue of black and white.

But I see a lot of people in this forum in denial of justice.  Assad is illegitimate.  If he and his non-Muslim family's sect listened to the voices of majority calling for democracy, then there would have been justice in Syria.

When they chose to instead pump bullets in the heads of peaceful protester for month after month after month and so on...then extremists came in.

But the illegitimate Assad can negotiate with the opposition that the war criminal Assad will step down as long and democratic will thrive as long as there is guarantee that the minorities will not protected.  Assad can easily say that Nusra must not have any power or be allowed to control territory.  The moderates would agree as long as their is verifiable mechanisms that civilians will not be at the mercy of the Syrian war criminals and the foreign conspirators against democracy and justice.

There are mechanisms for such negotiation.

But the dictator Assad does not want to relinquish power.  There are even Alawis who are against Assad's family mafia control over Syria.  Assad does not want to let go of controlling all the power and all the money.  Iran does not want Muslims to control the territory instead of the nonMuslim Alawis.  Iran prefers nonMuslim Alawis who have shirk in their doctrine to control the territory.  Is not shirk a very serious issue? 

It is very ironic how the current government in Iran knows how evil it was to live under the dictator Shah.  The dictator Shah allowed people to pray, etc. just like Assad lets people to pray.  But the Shah did not allow democracy, did he?  Assad does not allow democracy, did he?

We have to call out hypocrisy when we see it.

I ask those who can make simplistic black and white statements to not comment.  

Don't poison others with your childish, sectarian, and unjust viciousness.  Don't Trump over Donald Trump.

 

[myouvial]

4 hours ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

What does this mean?

Sorry wasting time.

[realizm]

13 hours ago, SalmanYasir said:

I recognize that there are extremist organizations that do not respect minorities like ISIS and Nusra.

This is not an issue of black and white.

But I see a lot of people in this forum in denial of justice.  Assad is illegitimate.  If he and his non-Muslim family's sect listened to the voices of majority calling for democracy, then there would have been justice in Syria.

When they chose to instead pump bullets in the heads of peaceful protester for month after month after month and so on...then extremists came in.

But the illegitimate Assad can negotiate with the opposition that the war criminal Assad will step down as long and democratic will thrive as long as there is guarantee that the minorities will not protected.  Assad can easily say that Nusra must not have any power or be allowed to control territory.  The moderates would agree as long as their is verifiable mechanisms that civilians will not be at the mercy of the Syrian war criminals and the foreign conspirators against democracy and justice.

There are mechanisms for such negotiation.

But the dictator Assad does not want to relinquish power.  There are even Alawis who are against Assad's family mafia control over Syria.  Assad does not want to let go of controlling all the power and all the money.  Iran does not want Muslims to control the territory instead of the nonMuslim Alawis.  Iran prefers nonMuslim Alawis who have shirk in their doctrine to control the territory.  Is not shirk a very serious issue? 

It is very ironic how the current government in Iran knows how evil it was to live under the dictator Shah.  The dictator Shah allowed people to pray, etc. just like Assad lets people to pray.  But the Shah did not allow democracy, did he?  Assad does not allow democracy, did he?

We have to call out hypocrisy when we see it.

I ask those who can make simplistic black and white statements to not comment.  

Don't poison others with your childish, sectarian, and unjust viciousness.  Don't Trump over Donald Trump.

 

As brother Noah said above, the question is not who is legitimate, since there is absolutely no one in the opposition which claims leadership. That opposition is nothing but aimless warfare, weapons and ammo budget spending, violence cartharsis and in the end, planned chaos for the region. 

Put yourself in the Shah's position, you have the people of Iran in the street, your wester friends who let you down, and a new leader in the person of Imam Khomeini claiming a nearly incontested leadership. You know you are done, it is time to go.

Assad ? He always kept his allies, he has nothing but disorganized but foreign-sponsored mafia-type gangs holding the half of the population hostage in key cities, other half of the population abroad as refugees because they did not take part in that rebellion which also probably chased out of their homes. And no one legitimate facing him claiming power. Why would he step down and surrender ? 

[SalmanYasir]

@Noah

"Why would he step down and surrender ? "

I explained why:

But the illegitimate Assad can negotiate with the opposition that the war criminal Assad will step down as long and democratic will thrive as long as there is guarantee that the minorities will not protected.  Assad can easily say that Nusra must not have any power or be allowed to control territory.  The moderates would agree as long as their is verifiable mechanisms that civilians will not be at the mercy of the Syrian war criminals and the foreign conspirators against democracy and justice.

There are mechanisms for such negotiation.   This can start democracy.....which is why massive numbers of Syrian men, women, and children took to the streets for freedom before having their heads blown apart by bullets pumped into them by Assad's mafia regime.

Half a million killed so far.  All those killed are not by Assad but if he agreed then to accept democracy, then the chaos would not have developed.

The only moral step is for him to step down and the only moral step for his allies is to force him to negotiate to a framework where there is democracy and protection of minorities and human rights.

Anything other than that after the death of 500,000 Syrians and destruction of hospitals, etc. from Assad and his allies is wicked oppression to Syrian civilians and massive disobedience to Allah, subhana wa ta ala.  

 

[realizm]

2 hours ago, SalmanYasir said:

@Noah

"Why would he step down and surrender ? "

I explained why:

But the illegitimate Assad can negotiate with the opposition that the war criminal Assad will step down as long and democratic will thrive as long as there is guarantee that the minorities will not protected.  Assad can easily say that Nusra must not have any power or be allowed to control territory.  The moderates would agree as long as their is verifiable mechanisms that civilians will not be at the mercy of the Syrian war criminals and the foreign conspirators against democracy and justice.

There are mechanisms for such negotiation.   This can start democracy.....which is why massive numbers of Syrian men, women, and children took to the streets for freedom before having their heads blown apart by bullets pumped into them by Assad's mafia regime.

Half a million killed so far.  All those killed are not by Assad but if he agreed then to accept democracy, then the chaos would not have developed.

The only moral step is for him to step down and the only moral step for his allies is to force him to negotiate to a framework where there is democracy and protection of minorities and human rights.

Anything other than that after the death of 500,000 Syrians and destruction of hospitals, etc. from Assad and his allies is wicked oppression to Syrian civilians and massive disobedience to Allah, subhana wa ta ala.  

 

 

You must be really naive to think those takfiri gangs would accept a retreat if peace talks were done. Man, those savages even kill people in countries like Kenya so what are you talking about here ? 

[SalmanYasir]

You are worse than naive...you are using a straw man argument to argue for continued tyranny...the tyranny of Assad-Iran-Hezbollah-Iraqi Militia fighters-Russia have killed vast numbers of Muslims far more than Yazid and in this time so soon after Ashura, it is important to point out that they have killed perhaps thousands descendants of Prophet Muhammad (however, every human life is sacred).

No, the takfiri gangs will not accept a retreat.

HOWEVER, if Assad is willing to lay down power and allow power to flow democratically or at least to share power with MODERATES (yes, the moderates have lost most of their territory to extremists over time as Assad and his foreigners enablers prevented democracy and freedom).

Then it will be accepted and the powers such as US and Russian and others will dislodge the takfiris and not allow them to maintain their territory for long.

We must submit to goodness, to God...and not to our fanatical SECTARIAN evil desires....THAT is what I am talking about. 

It is time to return to the Qur'an as what it describes itself, the Furqan and time to become fully consistently moral and upright and speak against injustice...especially against gargantuan oppression of 500,000 dead since the freedom seekers were killed off streets of the modern dictator of Damascus--the modern Yazid--Assad who has killed vast more people striving for freedom than Yazid.