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Salaam Alaykum everyone,

I am a Shia Muslim living in America originally from Tanzania. I've always been one to keep up with the news, but of late I have become especially interested. However, the more I read the more I have come to realize just how many muslims American Foreign Policy has killed, from Palestine and Syria to Yemen and Iraq. I obviously disagree with American Foreign Policy entirely, in particular America's pandering to Israel and its constant demonization of Iran, which for Shias holds a very special significance. I always thought the American people were different from the government, but unfortunately the more I have talked to them and the more I read comments on news article threads, I realize they buy a lot of the propaganda the government feeds them. It is as though they are conditioned to hate anything that opposes American genocidal interests, which includes muslims. I feel greatly saddened by this as I sometimes feel maybe my views are just incompatible with this country. Sometimes at work we have political discussions and I often have to hold back from saying how I really feel about certain countries, in particular, America and Israel to try to avoid unnecessary confrontation and arguments if I can. Not to mention a lot of people lose their jobs under accusations of anti-semitism for criticising Israel. Can you imagine the outcry it would cause if you said something like you support Hezbollah. But then by holding back, I feel like I'm not standing up for the oppressed, which is the duty of every muslim, and especially every shia muslim. Is that not what Imam hussein would expect of us? Should I live in America if living there means  sometimes have to compromise my duty to stand up against oppressive governments. Are those that say muslims don't belong in America, because their values are incompatible with ours correct? Do our values mean standing up for the oppressed that America regards as terrorists because they fight back, such as in the case of Hezbollah? 

Have any of you felt this way? If so how do you overcome it or deal with it?

Mohamed.

 

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum Brother Mohamed.

Brother, it depends on your circumstances.  Do you have a family you must support?  Can you afford leaving and support your family or parents? 

You don't have to share your sentiments in the work place.  You can do it outside work, if voicing your opinion will get you fired.

You have to weight your options.  It is great you are feeling this way and it is bothering your conscious. 

Keep following the news and be informed of what is happening around the world.  Have sabr and await for your living Imam to return Insh'Allah.

Increase salawat and do sadaqa.  Pray on time when adthan has taken place.  Work internally and Insh'Allah you will find your calling. 

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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I agree that not all citizens are good, of course not, there are people there that support all that, not just the government, besides that as shias have many enemies, those people go to live in usa. However I heard that one shouldn't trust in the comments that appear on internet, because they're not real comments. I don't saying this is true, it's just something that I heard, that we shouldn't trust online comments. 

 

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8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

unfortunately the more I have talked to them and the more I read comments on news article threads, I realize they buy a lot of the propaganda the government feeds them.

Never go by the comments on internet news posts. All you see are one sided comments of a negative nature. There are many people out there that don't share those opinions. They just don't bother to post on the articles.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

I realize they buy a lot of the propaganda the government feeds them.

The illiterate peasantry does this moreso. You'll find it less so amongst the educated class. Stupid is, as stupid does.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

It is as though they are conditioned to hate anything that opposes American genocidal interests

Again, if the only comments that are posted are the negative ones then the impression that it creates is that all or most Americans are like that, which most decidedly is not the case.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Sometimes at work we have political discussions and I often have to hold back from saying how I really feel about certain countries, in particular, America and Israel to try to avoid unnecessary confrontation and arguments if I can.

Discussing politics at work is one of the worst career moves you can make. I would highly suggest you not engage in those conversations. HR does not care for people discussing topics of that nature as it disrupts the harmony between co-workers. Those are topics discussed outside of the work place. You're there to earn money for the company not to do anything that will disrupt that for the company.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Not to mention a lot of people lose their jobs under accusations of anti-semitism for criticising Israel. 

Again, you're there to perform a task for a company. Not to speak on your personal views regarding something like that. As I said above that's something to be discussed outside of the workplace.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

I feel like I'm not standing up for the oppressed, which is the duty of every muslim, and especially every shia muslim.

Of course, but there is a smart and intelligent way of doing it in the right arena. What good are you going to do yourself if you lose your job because you spoke out on American policies towards Israel? Go to a rally or a protest to do that where the situation is appropriate.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Should I live in America if living there means  sometimes have to compromise my duty to stand up against oppressive governments.

That's a personal decision which you only can make.

8 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Are those that say muslims don't belong in America, because their values are incompatible with ours correct?

How many American are actually saying this? Do you have a statistic on this?

 

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Hello,

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Not sure what this one post wonder is up to.  But, I doubt he is an immigrant from Tanzania. 

I am accused of being a troll on a daily basis yet no one here spots this guy?  For the native English speakers it is inexcusable.

All the Best,

David

 

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16 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

Never go by the comments on internet news posts. All you see are one sided comments of a negative nature. There are many people out there that don't share those opinions. They just don't bother to post on the articles.

The illiterate peasantry does this moreso. You'll find it less so amongst the educated class. Stupid is, as stupid does.

I sincerely disagree on the bolded part. I have friends from my college days who unequivocally support the apartheid state of Israel, and are supporting and voting for a bloodthirsty warmonger named Hillary. 

It's more about being wise, and less about being educated. 

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4 hours ago, Praetorius said:

I sincerely disagree on the bolded part. I have friends from my college days who unequivocally support the apartheid state of Israel, and are supporting and voting for a bloodthirsty warmonger named Hillary. 

It's more about being wise, and less about being educated. 

I was talking about the situation between Americans and treatment of Muslims in America.

Every Jew regardless of education level supports Israel.

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

David, God fearing Muslims care about the ummah and care about facing their Lord. They know they will be answerable to Him for the decisions they do in this life.

Especially during these nights of Muharram we remember our Master of Martyrs Imam Hussain and we try to incorporate what we hear or learn to our life.  We seek a life of justice and truth and fight against injustice and falsehood.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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Thanks for all your responses.

@David if you'd like to know I speak 3 languages fluently, we have English as a subject in schools you know.

As far as leaving the country goes, I don't have anyone to support, I am single and I am not thinking of getting married anytime in the near future, so that's fine. The main incentive in staying here is really that the Tanzanian economy isn't all that great, its hard to get by on a monthly salary, a lot of people tend to have side businesses to fund their living, because life in general there is pretty expensive and with the amount you are paid, its hard to live comfortably. That said, I feel like this is a worldly thing that should not be my main focus. On the plus side there's a huge Shia community, and there's complete freedom of religion with a good deal of respect between people of different faiths. The Salafis haven't quite had a huge impact there as they have in neighbouring countries.

I realize that discussing politics in work is not a good thing, but when its brought up with people discussing presidential debates and voting, its infuriating to hear people praising Clinton who is a freaking warhawk maniac and I genuinely fear for the safety of Shias under her presidency, we are already so hated by the Sunni Arab governments. Also, I have a few jewish coworkers, and for the most part they are totally fine, but then when they bring up their trips to Israel and how much they liked it there, my mind can't help but think if only you had gone to Gaza or the West Bank and seen how your neighbours are treated. I don't usually speak about this, I just say oh okay, oh okay. Then sometimes they'll ask me if I've been or planning to go? I'll say no. Then they ask why? So far, I've just said well, Israel doesn't really interest me, whereas the truth is obviously that by going I feel like I am supporting the apartheid policies. It's bad enough that my tax dollars go toward helping the Israeli and Saudi governments fund their terrorism. I guess I'm asking when people discuss stuff like this, what would be the best approach to use to avoid having to lie and preventing discussions like this arising? Usually with people outside of work, I am very blunt with my political opinions and I don't shy away from saying how I feel. Also, its important to not generalize, I was part of political groups in university and there were a lot of jews and catholics in a justice group we had for Palestine. In fact in my experience, jews seem to be pretty open to discussion, evangelical christians on the other hand would try to shut down events we had. 

I realize a lot of the republican rednecks are very ignorant. Most of the people I work with are pretty liberal and to be fair, very open-minded but obviously they do not share the same sentiments I have about American Foreign Policy. If they are skeptical, they aren't as much as me, rightly so, I grew up watching media that didn't whitewash America's crimes. But then on some level my mind is always thinking how can a person not be against genocide? If you support your country's funding of apartheid and if you're gonna vote for an idiot that supported an invasion that killed almost 1.5 Million muslims, what does that say about your attitude towards us? 

Also, as far as Islam being incompatible with the West, I have heard debates happening on MSM, not just right-wing channels like Fox, but also CNN, MSNBC etc etc. I'm not sure how many share this opinion, just that this thought is present. 

Finally, I want to add it may seem like I'm very anti-America from my post, but I appreciate this country for a lot, most notably its freedom of religion, which many muslim countries don't have. I know that at the time of Kerbala, there was no America/Britain/The West but we still had barbarics in our religion that killed our beloved Imam. It is stupid to blame everything on American Foreign Policy when we have examples to show us how some of the people in our religion are absolute savages too. My only concern is how do you deal with this thought in your mind that certain educated individuals through their support of politicians and policies have subconsciously an anti-muslim bias and whenever it comes to fighting for justice, when muslims are concerned, their bias will always cloud their judgement?

 

 

 

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Hello,

2 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Thanks for all your responses.

@David if you'd like to know I speak 3 languages fluently, we have English as a subject in schools you know.

 

That is great.  However, your sentence structure leads me to believe you are not who you say you are.  This, coupled with your first two post on Shia Chat being statements disguised as questions.

On 10/6/2016 at 2:02 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

Salaam Alaykum everyone,

I am a Shia Muslim living in America originally from Tanzania. I've always been one to keep up with the news, but of late I have become especially interested. However, the more I read the more I have come to realize just how many muslims American Foreign Policy has killed, from Palestine and Syria to Yemen and Iraq. I obviously disagree with American Foreign Policy entirely, in particular America's pandering to Israel and its constant demonization of Iran, which for Shias holds a very special significance. I always thought the American people were different from the government, but unfortunately the more I have talked to them and the more I read comments on news article threads, I realize they buy a lot of the propaganda the government feeds them. It is as though they are conditioned to hate anything that opposes American genocidal interests, which includes muslims. I feel greatly saddened by this as I sometimes feel maybe my views are just incompatible with this country. Sometimes at work we have political discussions and I often have to hold back from saying how I really feel about certain countries, in particular, America and Israel to try to avoid unnecessary confrontation and arguments if I can. Not to mention a lot of people lose their jobs under accusations of anti-semitism for criticising Israel. Can you imagine the outcry it would cause if you said something like you support Hezbollah. But then by holding back, I feel like I'm not standing up for the oppressed, which is the duty of every muslim, and especially every shia muslim. Is that not what Imam hussein would expect of us? Should I live in America if living there means  sometimes have to compromise my duty to stand up against oppressive governments. Are those that say muslims don't belong in America, because their values are incompatible with ours correct? Do our values mean standing up for the oppressed that America regards as terrorists because they fight back, such as in the case of Hezbollah? 

 

If you are anyone you know has lost their job for criticizing Israel then I encourage you to find a lawyer.  

On 10/6/2016 at 2:02 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

Salaam Alaykum everyone,

I am a Shia Muslim living in America originally from Tanzania. I've always been one to keep up with the news, but of late I have become especially interested. However, the more I read the more I have come to realize just how many muslims American Foreign Policy has killed, from Palestine and Syria to Yemen and Iraq. I obviously disagree with American Foreign Policy entirely, in particular America's pandering to Israel and its constant demonization of Iran, which for Shias holds a very special significance. I always thought the American people were different from the government, but unfortunately the more I have talked to them and the more I read comments on news article threads, I realize they buy a lot of the propaganda the government feeds them. It is as though they are conditioned to hate anything that opposes American genocidal interests, which includes muslims. I feel greatly saddened by this as I sometimes feel maybe my views are just incompatible with this country. Sometimes at work we have political discussions and I often have to hold back from saying how I really feel about certain countries, in particular, America and Israel to try to avoid unnecessary confrontation and arguments if I can. Not to mention a lot of people lose their jobs under accusations of anti-semitism for criticising Israel. Can you imagine the outcry it would cause if you said something like you support Hezbollah. But then by holding back, I feel like I'm not standing up for the oppressed, which is the duty of every muslim, and especially every shia muslim. Is that not what Imam hussein would expect of us? Should I live in America if living there means  sometimes have to compromise my duty to stand up against oppressive governments. Are those that say muslims don't belong in America, because their values are incompatible with ours correct? Do our values mean standing up for the oppressed that America regards as terrorists because they fight back, such as in the case of Hezbollah? 

 

Try speaking out against the Chinese government's subjugation of Muslims in the Xinjiang region.  Try speaking out against the Russian government's subjugation of Muslims in Crimea.  This will help appease your duty  of "standing up for the oppressed."  And, the message will be better received by your American co-workers.  

All the Best,

David

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Thanks David.

My sentence structure? Lol, is it my misuse of commas? I took a writing class in college where my professor would always comment on how I didn't use commas at all, so now when I use them, I either overuse them or use them inappropriately. Oh well, as long as you understand what I am saying. Also, I've been reading posts on this website for a long time, but to be honest, I have never actually felt as I guess you could say as isolated as I do now. While I was in college, I used to read the news and I was always surrounded by people (both muslims and non-muslims) that agreed with me, so I guess it felt as though a lot of people agreed with me, and those that didn't, I could easily just ignore. I even lost a few friends because of my participation in certain political groups. But when you're working, you want to maintain harmony with your co-workers, so I try to not be controversial, but I feel like a coward. I don't bring up the politics, but when its brought up and opinions are made that I don't agree with, I hate being silent, it feels wrong, cowardly and that I am agreeing with the oppressors. 

Also, yes, someone at the university I went to was fired for posting an anti-Israel facebook post that was shared and got him in trouble. They fired him under anti-semitism charges because he said something like Zionists, any human being would stand up for what's happening in Gaza stop looking to justify the massacre of thousands of innocent civilians. A lot of jews who supported Israel got offended and reported him and then a lot of [Edited Out] happened before they gave him the boot. 

Also, yeah you're definitely right that I should speak out about policies of other governments and be consistent. I have targeted American policies because I hate the fact that it is my tax dollars that are being used against innocent civilians. I freaking hate the Saudi government as well and I consider them worse than the Israeli government. I get rather annoyed when muslims target Zionism but stay silent on Wahhabism and the cancer it spreads to the world. 

Thank you,

Mohamed.

 

 

 

 

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