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The Hypocrisy of the Sunni World

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8 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

They get ready to burn cities to the groud if someone draws a cartoon of the Prophet or makes a movie about him, yet they keep quite or worse celebrate the martyrdom of his beloved grandson.

!!! wow didnt even realize this

i hope its possible if any of the sunni brothers on this forum can contribute to this thread in order we hear your side of everything too

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17 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

Fatima's truthfulness is guaranteed in the Quran in Ayah Tatheer and Ayah Mubahila so they decide to call the person who opposed her SIDEEQ.

The 'Sahaba' who doubted the Prophet the most and was openly rude towards him became FAROOQ.

The wife that caused so much grief to the Prophet that Allah threatened her with divorce became the most beloved wife.

The 'Sahaba' known for opulence and nepotism became GHANI

The person known to be from the Accursed Tree became Katib-e-Wahi.

The person responsible for killing Hussain and destroying Masjid-e-Nabawi & Kaaba was guaranteed Jannah because he took part in a naval attack (allegedly).

The person who spent minimal time with the Prophet became the biggest narrators of ahadith.

They would rather celebrate the fake sunnah (non-obligatory, optional) of fasting on Ashura in solidarity with the Jews than observe the wajib (muwadat-fil-qurba) of observing Ashura with solemnity.

They get ready to burn cities to the groud if someone draws a cartoon of the Prophet or makes a movie about him, yet they keep quite or worse celebrate the martyrdom of his beloved grandson.

I thank Allah everyday that I was not born into nor part of the hypocrisy that is the Sunni World.
 

 

Members of Ashrae Mubashra fighting and klling each other in Jamal and Shura and everyone is going to Jannah. Masha Allah!

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6 minutes ago, AnotherShepherd said:

Not to celebrate the death of Imam Husayn. Makes me wonder how many of you have actually been to a Sunni Masjid. 

 

I didn't say it was to celebrate his death. It was done to celebrate the "day of barakah" as the Banu Umayya successfully managed to fabricate narrations regarding the Ark of Prophet Nuh (as) getting salvation etc etc. 

The point is that today the Sunni world as the poster pointed out will go bombing, fighting and doing takfeer on people if they say something about the Prophet (saw) or the 3 caliphs in a negative light. Yet, when it comes to his son, they remain silent. A hypocrisy that is glaringly obvious to us all. The Banu Umayya have managed to whitewash the day of Ashura by fabricating narrations so that their followers can celebrate this day as a day of happiness and forget about the great tragedy. 

I know this celebrations because I have been to Sunni mosques.

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20 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

I thank Allah everyday that I was not born into nor part of the hypocrisy that is the Sunni World.

in other words, you were born into and part of the hypocrisy which is some other world and apparently that is what makes you more excitable.

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21 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

Fatima's truthfulness is guaranteed in the Quran in Ayah Tatheer and Ayah Mubahila so they decide to call the person who opposed her SIDEEQ.

and Allah declares him Sahib of Rasool in Quran.

Edited by Bukhari8k

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21 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

The person responsible for killing Hussain and destroying Masjid-e-Nabawi & Kaaba was guaranteed Jannah because he took part in a naval attack (allegedly).

view point of Ahlus Sunnah (allegedly).

Edited by Bukhari8k

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21 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

They would rather celebrate the fake sunnah (non-obligatory, optional) of fasting on Ashura in solidarity with the Jews than observe the wajib (muwadat-fil-qurba) of observing Ashura with solemnity.

solemnity? by cutting the forehead skin of small children with knives or walking on fire or bowing to zul jinah or bringing the Lion Haris etc is what you call solemnity? then fasting is much better... as those blessed ones martyred in karbala were also hungry and thirsty in the path of Allah.

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1 hour ago, Bukhari8k said:

in other words, you were born into and part of the hypocrisy which is some other world and apparently that is what makes you more excitable.

As long as that world is not Sunni, then so be it.

1 hour ago, Bukhari8k said:

and ZAWJ of Umme Kulthum Binte Ali al Murtaza.

myth has been busted on ShiaChat several times.

1 hour ago, Bukhari8k said:

and Allah declares him Sahib of Rasool in Quran.

The Sahib who was crying? Allah basically was telling him to shut up with all the crying. Re-read the Quran - his lack of faith in Allah's protection led to crying.

1 hour ago, Bukhari8k said:

and was already Ghani with "noorain" (the daughters of Rasool Allah [saw])

myth has been busted on ShiaChat several times.

1 hour ago, Bukhari8k said:

solemnity? by cutting the forehead skin of small children with knives or walking on fire or bowing to zul jinah or bringing the Lion Haris etc is what you call solemnity? then fasting is much better... as those blessed ones martyred in karbala were also hungry and thirsty in the path of Allah.

Solemnity as in don't celebrate. A simple day o fprayer would suffice. Even fasting in solidarity of Ashura would work. But observing Ashura because of Bani Ummayya made Jewish beliefs - unacceptable.

Anything else you want to add?

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7 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

As long as that world is not Sunni, then so be it.

myth has been busted on ShiaChat several times.

The Sahib who was crying? Allah basically was telling him to shut up with all the crying. Re-read the Quran - his lack of faith in Allah's protection led to crying.

myth has been busted on ShiaChat several times.

Solemnity as in don't celebrate. A simple day o fprayer would suffice. Even fasting in solidarity of Ashura would work. But observing Ashura because of Bani Ummayya made Jewish beliefs - unacceptable.

Anything else you want to add?

LOL so you pray on ashura?? you must be a oddity to your group. Btw does prayer to you mean prostrating to horses known as dhul jenah?? or hurting children or walking on fire like pagans? 

your interest in Quran would remain another mystry... just search for complete shia transliterations and may be that would help you. Those to whom the Rasool Allah told "Indeed Allah is with us" and paid allegiance by Ali (ra) needs no support from those who claim that the holy members of holy prophet's (saw) family used to deceive people by their acts and words! They did not mean to say what they used to say??? AstaghfirUllah

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18 minutes ago, Bukhari8k said:

LOL so you pray on ashura??

Clearly you have never observed shias closely. Bring some solid arguments, if you have any. I doubt comments like these will do anything to prove shias are on the wrong path. 

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1 hour ago, Alzaynebia313 said:

I go to an Islamic school which is majority Sunni and today at the Jum'a sermon they were going on and on about how Muharam is one of the greatest months and how the tenth day is the greatest of days! They went on and on about this and I got so angry I was on the verge of angry tears. Look at millions and millions of so called Muslims completely ignore the Prophets grandsons martyrdom and sweep it under the rug. One of the most important battles not just in the history of Islam but the history of the world! The Imam was oppressed during his life and they continue to oppress him.

This was my point sister. Is this not hypocrisy at its worst?

Biggest culprits are the leaders of Ahle-Sunnah who hide the truth from an average sunni.

 

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2 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

LOL so you pray on ashura?? you must be a oddity to your group. Btw does prayer to you mean prostrating to horses known as dhul jenah?? or hurting children or walking on fire like pagans? 

your interest in Quran would remain another mystry... just search for complete shia transliterations and may be that would help you. Those to whom the Rasool Allah told "Indeed Allah is with us" and paid allegiance by Ali (ra) needs no support from those who claim that the holy members of holy prophet's (saw) family used to deceive people by their acts and words! They did not mean to say what they used to say??? AstaghfirUllah

You sound bitter. Truth hurts at first. First their is denial, then anger, then acceptance. 

Inshallah with the intercession of the aforementioned dhul jenah, you too will accept the truth one day.

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4 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

This was my point sister. Is this not hypocrisy at its worst?

Biggest culprits are the leaders of Ahle-Sunnah who hide the truth from an average sunni.

 

Average Sunni is also at fault. Look at all the average Sunnis on this forum continuing to deny this hypocrisy! 

Nasibis have tainted Sunnism completely and they don't even realise it. Friends are given higher statuses and are favoured over the Prophets own flesh and blood. If only the Prophets family weren't worthy of importance and high statuses but the Prophets Ahlul Bayt excel and have elevated the suhaba in every aspect possible! 

Edited by Alzaynebia313

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6 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:

Those who claim that the holy members of holy prophet's (saw) family used to deceive people by their acts and words! They did not mean to say what they used to say??

It's called taqiyah brother but you can't understand the beauty of this blessing because you already have pre-conceived ideas and are biased by default. Imam Ali says in Bukhari that he would say things to deceive and trick the enemy. the only thing he won't do is lie upon the holy prophet but everything is all fair game.

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Firstly, I would like to clarify my stance on this Sunni-Shia divide. I am not here to belittle either sect and I do not wish to lean towards one side over the other because I am only interested in seeking the truth. During the Prophets (SAW) life, there was no such a thing as a Sunni muslim or Shia muslim so I don't understand why people fight to the death in these names. People actually fight to the death in these names not because of truth but because they were born into either a Sunni family or a Shia family.

Reading this thread has raised 2 questions in my head.

The 1st is that I have never heard a Sunni curse or belittle 'Ali (RA) or the Prophets grandsons (RA). However, on this site and some other Shia sites, I have noticed how a lot of Shia curse the Prophets companions, i.e 'Umar (RA) and Abu Bakr (RA).

- How is this any different to the Jews cursing Allah's Prophets? I mean, c'mon who the hell are you nobodies to belittle the Prophets companions? I'm sure they were much better Muslims than any of you. They were real muslims, who fought alongside the Prophet in battles and were ready to die for the sake of Allah. Any of you in here like that? Thought not. In that case, be humble and keep your trap shut. You're all living an easy life with with plenty of food and too much time on your iphones. The Likes of Umar (RA) and Abu Bakr (RA) went through thick and thin during the years the Makkans placed the sanctions on the Muslims. They've proven their worth....until any of you have suffered half as much as them, the only hypocrites are you. Not because you label yourself as a Shia but because you have the nerve to belittle them or even worse curse them.

The 2nd point that struck me was regarding the events of the Day of 'Ashura. I have seen footage on Youtube at what some of the people in Karbala do on the day of 'Ashura. They beat themselves, strike themselves on the head and other parts of the body, kids dripping with blood and at the same time shouting "Labbaik Ya Hussayn" (I am here O Hussayn)..........why do they say this? He is dead. The only one we should be saying Labbaik to is Allah. No body else. You do not see anything wrong in calling out to a dead person? Allah knows best, but I don't think Hussayn (RA) can hear you calling out to him. Another question that comes to my mind regarding this is that....this event, the martyrdom of Hussayn took place after the Prophets (SAW) death. After Allah had already perfected and completed his religion.....why then do you give this incident so much importance? NO I am not belittling the martyrdom of Hussayn (RA) but just attempting to reason. Where is the need to bring in something new to the religion after Allah has already declared his religion complete? (Read Surah Al-Maidah, ayah number 3). If mourning Hussayn's (RA) death in the manner that most of you Shia's do has not been prescribed by Allah or his Prophet (SAW)...then surely that is Bid'ah...no? And if mourning the martyrdom of Hussayn (RA) is so significant to Islam....then why do you not mourn the death of Muhammad (SAW) or Ibrahim ('Alaihisalaam) or Musa ('Alaihisalaam). I mean surely the deaths of the Prophets is a more significant and a bigger reason to mourn since they were...PROPHETS. Surely it doesn't really get any bigger than being a Nabi or Rasul?

My apologies if I have upset anybody on my 2nd point (I'm not apologising for the 1st point even if I have upset someone - coz you seriously do need to think about that)

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10 minutes ago, starlight said:

And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah , "They are dead." Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not.- Quran 2:154

 

And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving sustenance - Quran 3:169

Jazak Allah Khair for the quotes. Very much appreciated.  May Allah forgive me if I have transgressed knowingly or unknowingly.

Edited by The One

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3 hours ago, The One said:

Firstly, I would like to clarify my stance on this Sunni-Shia divide. I am not here to belittle either sect and I do not wish to lean towards one side over the other because I am only interested in seeking the truth. During the Prophets (SAW) life, there was no such a thing as a Sunni muslim or Shia muslim so I don't understand why people fight to the death in these names. People actually fight to the death in these names not because of truth but because they were born into either a Sunni family or a Shia family.

Reading this thread has raised 2 questions in my head.

The 1st is that I have never heard a Sunni curse or belittle 'Ali (RA) or the Prophets grandsons (RA). However, on this site and some other Shia sites, I have noticed how a lot of Shia curse the Prophets companions, i.e 'Umar (RA) and Abu Bakr (RA).

- How is this any different to the Jews cursing Allah's Prophets? I mean, c'mon who the hell are you nobodies to belittle the Prophets companions? I'm sure they were much better Muslims than any of you. They were real muslims, who fought alongside the Prophet in battles and were ready to die for the sake of Allah. Any of you in here like that? Thought not. In that case, be humble and keep your trap shut. You're all living an easy life with with plenty of food and too much time on your iphones. The Likes of Umar (RA) and Abu Bakr (RA) went through thick and thin during the years the Makkans placed the sanctions on the Muslims. They've proven their worth....until any of you have suffered half as much as them, the only hypocrites are you. Not because you label yourself as a Shia but because you have the nerve to belittle them or even worse curse them.

The 2nd point that struck me was regarding the events of the Day of 'Ashura. I have seen footage on Youtube at what some of the people in Karbala do on the day of 'Ashura. They beat themselves, strike themselves on the head and other parts of the body, kids dripping with blood and at the same time shouting "Labbaik Ya Hussayn" (I am here O Hussayn)..........why do they say this? He is dead. The only one we should be saying Labbaik to is Allah. No body else. You do not see anything wrong in calling out to a dead person? Allah knows best, but I don't think Hussayn (RA) can hear you calling out to him. Another question that comes to my mind regarding this is that....this event, the martyrdom of Hussayn took place after the Prophets (SAW) death. After Allah had already perfected and completed his religion.....why then do you give this incident so much importance? NO I am not belittling the martyrdom of Hussayn (RA) but just attempting to reason. Where is the need to bring in something new to the religion after Allah has already declared his religion complete? (Read Surah Al-Maidah, ayah number 3). If mourning Hussayn's (RA) death in the manner that most of you Shia's do has not been prescribed by Allah or his Prophet (SAW)...then surely that is Bid'ah...no? And if mourning the martyrdom of Hussayn (RA) is so significant to Islam....then why do you not mourn the death of Muhammad (SAW) or Ibrahim ('Alaihisalaam) or Musa ('Alaihisalaam). I mean surely the deaths of the Prophets is a more significant and a bigger reason to mourn since they were...PROPHETS. Surely it doesn't really get any bigger than being a Nabi or Rasul?

My apologies if I have upset anybody on my 2nd point (I'm not apologising for the 1st point even if I have upset someone - coz you seriously do need to think about that)

Salaam and thank you for your comments. Although you say you are unbiased, the comments seem to prove otherwise. Some brief comments about your post:

1) Contrary to popular belief, the lean Meccan years were spent in the Valley of Abu Talib (Shaib-e-Abu Talib) by the Bani Hashim only. Caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar were not exiled by the Quraysh. While it is true that they spent years with the Prophet, that does not guarantee anything for them. For example, how many thousands of years did Iblees spend in the worship of Allah? One single act of disobedience changed him from Iblees to Shaytan.
Now let's look at them caliphs. Let's say you have close friends, one of those friends constantly doubts you but you keep him around because you are a nice guy. The same friend does not listen to you on your deathbed. Then another friend usurps the rights and property of your family immediately after your death. Were these people ever really your friends?
So I ask you dear brother - where did the two caliphs you mention prove their worth? Battlefield? No; Knowledge and wisdom? No; 
And speaking of suffering, Shias are suffering even today for aligning ourselves with the Prophet and his AhlulBayt.

2) While you are not belittling the martrydom of Hussain (as), you also don't recognize it's importance. To put it succinctly, something happened to the Ummah that someone as vile as Yazeed took over the helm of it - all within 50 years of the demise of the Prophet. Hussain's sacrifice literally saved Islam and made the divide clear. Choose Caliphate or Imamate. My sunni brothers chose Caliphate; we chose Imamate. We remember Hussain to make sure his sacrifice is not forgotten. And if each year, just one person sees the truth and decides that Shia Islam is the true and correct Islam, then by God it is worth it.
You are right that Allah completed his religion in Maida 5:3 (coincidentally revealed just after Ghadeer) but that religion includes "muwadatfil-qurba" or love of nearest of kin of the Prophet. Was anyone more beloved to the Prophet than Hassan and HUssain? So the question is not why we observe Ashura. The question is why you do NOT observe Ashura since you claim to love the Prophet.
We do mourn the death of the Prophet every year as well as celebrating his birth. Go to any shia mosque on Safar 28th.

Please let us know if you have questions that we can clarify about the significance of Ashura.

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