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Proving Jesus (as) was not God

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On 10/7/2016 at 4:07 PM, tek91 said:

This pretty much sums it up....

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

You christians are so confused and so astray it’s sad ur logic is so flawed and ur reasoning is unreasonable u just nullify and reverse whatever point is made , what u think is faith is just stubbornness, ur belief has no basis and contradicts Jesus in every way , u people are so confused 

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On 12/31/2020 at 2:39 PM, theEndIsNear said:

You christians are so confused and so astray it’s sad ur logic is so flawed and ur reasoning is unreasonable u just nullify and reverse whatever point is made , what u think is faith is just stubbornness, ur belief has no basis and contradicts Jesus in every way , u people are so confused 

Are we confused, or just trying to express something which is beyond logic? I have found something similar in Islam, Sufi and Shia. You believe in the Light of Muhammad, yet Muhammad was born, and died. Yet light is not born nor does it die! I found that you believe in two aspects of Muhammad, one of Light, the other a human being. If you add to this that the Light of Muhammad was created from God's Light and not created from nothing, then it appears to me that this belief in the Light of Muhammad is very similar to the Christian view of Christ: two aspects, one of divine Light, and the other human. 

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24 minutes ago, EasternQibla said:

If you add to this that the Light of Muhammad was created from God's Light and not created from nothing, then it appears to me that this belief in the Light of Muhammad is very similar to the Christian view of Christ: two aspects, one of divine Light, and the other human.

Umm, there is a world of difference between the "Light of Muhammad" and the Trinitarian view of Christ. It's not the "Light" or "Essence" of God in any form whatsoever. He created it; He's completely independent from it, and the Prophet is subservient to Him, and not a part of Him.

The shia creed has a fundamental belief that God has no physical body in any sense whatsoever; we are maybe the only school that believes that we'll never "see" God with our eyes, whether in this world or the next.

Hope that clears things up.

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I've read something in regards of this topic and would like to paste it here:

 

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

 

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

 

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

 

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

 

Additional problems with Trinity

 

To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

 

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

 

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

 

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

 

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

 

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

 

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

 

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?

 

Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.

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