Sincere questions for Shia Brethren ?

[Abdul Haleem]

Sincere Questions for our Shi’a brethren
 

1. Imamat for Imamiya Ithna Ashari Shi’as is considered as Usul e Deen and in maqam and position it is considered greater than Nabuwwah or atleast equal to Nabuwwah. We would like to ask you that how has this Usul e Deen not stated in Quran al Kerim. Allah Almighty time and again tells us to Believe in Allah and the Ambiyaa in Kutub wa Suhuf e Ambiyaa a.s, in Maa’d in Jannah in Jahannam in Meezan in Malak and many other important matters. But no where in the whole Quran al Kerim are we commanded or told to Believe in Imams or the understanding of “Imamat” is not in line with Quranic dawah. How can an Usul e Deen be established when it finds no mention in the Quran al Kerim?

 

2. Imam ‘Ali a.s did not consider the rebels of Shaam as Kuffar for they did not believe in the Imamah/Khilafah of Amirul Momineen and also those who did not accept Imamah of Imam al Hasan a.s were not unbelievers. So does a disbelief in any Usul e Deen imply Kufr and if not then please give us your definition of what “Usul e Deen “ is. 

 

3. In Nahjul Balagha we do not find any support for the Shi’a concept of Imamah raher on contrary maters of Imamah wal Khilafah were considered as per consensus of Muhajireen wal Ansaar and at many places Imam ‘Ali himself stated that people have no option but to have an Amir be it good or bad. A sincere study of Nahjul Balagha will prove that the understanding of Imamah which was later developed by Shi’a was not the Manhaj and belief of Salaf e Saliheen and is a later innovation. 

 

4. Is Khilafah of Imam ‘Ali a.s mansoos MinAllah if yes then how can Imam be ready for arbitration to chose a Caliph whereas this mansab is from Allah Almighty and not men. This amal of Imam Ali and also of Imam Hasan a.s proves that Khilafah is not Mansoos MinAllah in the sense the shi’a believe it btu rather as per the agreed upon choice of the best of Muslims of their time and that decision is condiered Mansoos MinAllah. 

 

5. We would like to ask the Shi’a that whether the Promise of Allah Almighty in Surah Nur to give Khilafah and then peace and security to the Muslims , whether this promised has been fulfilled or we wait for time of Imam al Mahdi a.s for this to be fulfilled. In Nahjul Balagha the advises and words of Imam ‘Ali a.s to Hazrat ‘Umar r.a is a shining proof that Imam referred to a promise from Allah in terms of victories of Muslims over Kaiser wal Kisra. And referred to Khalifa as string for the beads. And many others words of wisdom from ‘Amir a.s are shining proof that Salaf e Saliheen understood Khilafat e Rashida r.a as fulfilling this promise of Allah for khilafah to Muslims .

 

6. Tahrif e Quran: The shi’a state that it is foundational belief of Shi’a Imamiya that there is not a Tahrif of a single Alif or a letter and it is present with us as it was before pure and in original form. Shaykh Saduq, Shaykh Tusi, Sharif Murtaza, Ayatullah Khoei and others are all unianimous on it. We have to give them the credit of trying to educate the Juhalaa among the Shi’a but we ask the Shi’a that do they consider those who believe in Tahrif of Quran al Kerim as Muslims anymore or Kuffar. However it is saddening that the shi’a do not do so as Al-Majlisi, Tabrisi, Qummi and Al-Mufid and others believe in Tahrif e Quran and yet the shia still looka t these scholars as leaders of guidance. Clearly this is a sign of their dishonest and hypocritical stand! Any sane and sincere looker can see through this fallacy and deception.

 

I really believe that because of the stance of Shi’a towards Quran al Kerim they have produced very very scarce and few Huffaz and even they cannot meet the caliber of the Huffaz from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah. The urge and great love for Tilawah and organizing the study of Quran al kerim and to do Hifz is found in Ahle Sunnah and not in shi’a and the reason is centuries of their Aqaaed of Tahrif e Quran and doubts over its being in original form and also in their notion that it is not present in the Tartib ‘Ali a.s had compiled.

But now in Iran a lot of people are arising from this deception the late Ayatullah Tabatabai felt this big gap and hence produced a Tafsir known as Tafsir al Mizan.

 

7. Sahaba: In Quran al kerim, Nahjul Balagha, Sahifah e Sjaadiya if we look at the understanding of Sahaba then only way of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah is in line with Quran al Kerim and Nahjul Balagha and Sahifah e Imam Ali bin al Hussain. The fact that their praise in mentioned in Quran al Kerim and authentic ahadith is enough a proof for the Fazilat e Sahaba e Kiraam. The Shi’a never attack the companions of Imams and it seems from their ways that they honor ‘Ali a.s more than Rasoolallah saws as they do not realise the branches are not like the root. And the Adab and love of Rasoolallah Saws would have demanded from them to keep their tongues shut in matters of Sahaba e Kiraam and realized that they had believed and occumpanied Nabi e Akhiruzamaan saws and fought for Islam and laid their lives and wealth for the cause of Islam and spread the Word of Tawhid across the world. 

 

This is the reason that we find less love for Quran al Kerim, Implementing Sunnah and Jihad in the Shi’a as Sahaba e Kiraam are the real Pioneers in them and this Deen spread through them. This is why very few books on Seerah and few Naat khaawn were found among the Shi’a. This is why their hearts do not Brim with Zikr e Mustafa (Saws) like you find with Ahle Sunnah.

 

Their support of Yahud wal Nasara and despising Jihad and how Allah Almighty has always strengthened Borders of Islam through followers of Sahaba e Kiraam and Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah is another shining proof of the Shia being on misguidance.

We will only focus on Usul. I fail to understand how can the reports of Holy Prophet Saws be relied upon unless we do not remove the shi’a way of thinking. 

 

In terms of Ilm e Rijaal and science of Hadith Shi’a cannot match the hardwork and knowledge base of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah.

The foundation of Shia thought process is very weak but that of Ahle Sunnah is like steel so on what should one base his/her Aqaaed.

Taqqiyah, Rajat and Badaa all these aqaaed are indeed not in line with understanding of the Quran al Kerim by the Salaf e Saliheen and hence are later innovations of the Shi’a.

 

We seek sincere answers of the Shi’a to these questions of ours and ask them that is not their line of thinking actually trying to paint a very negative picture of First Muslims and What hope does his generation or many others have in a revolution and change and Tazkiyaa wa Tasfiyaa if he Greatest of all Teachers Nabi e Akhiruzamaan Saws could not bring such a change only handful of Muslims remained true to their belief and then their belief of Imamat and Taqqiyah . 

 

I believe these are genuine questions every shia should ponder over and Allah has power over all things and He alone is Al-Hadi

[DigitalUmmah]

jesus baby christ and all of gods angels, literally the THIRD sermon on nahjul balagha:

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-3-Allah-son-abu-quhafah

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Beware! By Allah, the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.

 

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I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was [Edited Out]ing in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself.

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It is strange that during his lifetime he wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other one after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation.

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Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a group and regarded me to be one of them. But good Heavens! What had I to do with this “consultation”? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high.

sermon 144:

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-144-Allah-deputed-prophets

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Where are those who falsely and unjustly claimed that they are deeply versed in knowledge, as against us, although Allah raised us in position and kept them down, bestowed upon us knowledge but deprived them, and entered us (in the fortress of knowledge) but kept them out. With us guidance is to be sought and blindness (of misguidance) is to be changed into brightness. Surely the Imams (divine leaders) will be from the Quraysh. They have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs

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Where are the minds which seek light from the lamps of guidance, and the eyes which look at minarets of piety? Where are the hearts dedicated to Allah, and devoted to the obedience of Allah? They are all crowding towards worldly vanities and quarrelling over unlawful issues. The ensigns of Paradise and Hell have been raised for them but they have turned their faces away from Paradise and proceeded to Hell by dint of their performances. Allah called them but they showed dislike and ran away. When Satan called them they responded and proceeded (towards him).

Sermon 152:

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-152-praise-be-Allah-who-is#part-same-sermon-about-divine-leaders-imams

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The riser has risen, the sparkler has sparkled, the appearer has appeared and the curved has been straightened. Allah has replaced one people with another and one day with another. We awaited these changes as the famine-stricken await the rain. Certainly the Imams are the vicegerents of Allah over His creatures and they make the creatures know Allah. No one will enter Paradise except he who knows them and knows Him, and no one will enter Hell except he who denies them and denies Him.

here is my beautiful voice narrating this particular sermon, just to drive the point home

http://www.digitalummah.org/NahjulBalaghaSermon152

 

[Irfani313]

Dear brother @Abdul Haleem

1. Go read Quran again. This time not by singing of voice but with thoughtfulness 

2. Go read the first khutba of Dawat Dhul Ashira, the first proclamation of Islam in front of the family of the prophet, (not the passersby, not the person standing under the tree, not the one running around in desert), the family like uncles, aunts, cousins, etc.  

3, 4 ,5, 6, 7: Go read Quran again, its all there

 

[DigitalUmmah]

5 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

Go read the first khutba of Dawat Dhul Ashira,

no bakri will ever reply to this. 

[ShiaMan14]

7 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

Sincere Questions for our Shi’a brethren
 

1. Imamat for Imamiya Ithna Ashari Shi’as is considered as Usul e Deen and in maqam and position it is considered greater than Nabuwwah or atleast equal to Nabuwwah. We would like to ask you that how has this Usul e Deen not stated in Quran al Kerim. Allah Almighty time and again tells us to Believe in Allah and the Ambiyaa in Kutub wa Suhuf e Ambiyaa a.s, in Maa’d in Jannah in Jahannam in Meezan in Malak and many other important matters. But no where in the whole Quran al Kerim are we commanded or told to Believe in Imams or the understanding of “Imamat” is not in line with Quranic dawah. How can an Usul e Deen be established when it finds no mention in the Quran al Kerim?

 

Quran 4.59:  O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.

This mandatory obedience cannot mean regular rulers and caliphs since they were error-prone and sinners. Authority can only come from Allah; if you say otherwise, then that is kufr. So your belief that obedience to any authoritative figure is kufr since you are deeming that person authority over you instead of Allah. Our belief is in line with this ayah. The Prophet Muhammad (saw) is over and above all Imams so you understanding that Imamah = Nubuwah is wrong.

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

2. Imam ‘Ali a.s did not consider the rebels of Shaam as Kuffar for they did not believe in the Imamah/Khilafah of Amirul Momineen and also those who did not accept Imamah of Imam al Hasan a.s were not unbelievers. So does a disbelief in any Usul e Deen imply Kufr and if not then please give us your definition of what “Usul e Deen “ is. 

Anyone who says "La Ilaha IllAllah, Muhammad RasoolAllah" is not a kafir.

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

3. In Nahjul Balagha we do not find any support for the Shi’a concept of Imamah raher on contrary maters of Imamah wal Khilafah were considered as per consensus of Muhajireen wal Ansaar and at many places Imam ‘Ali himself stated that people have no option but to have an Amir be it good or bad. A sincere study of Nahjul Balagha will prove that the understanding of Imamah which was later developed by Shi’a was not the Manhaj and belief of Salaf e Saliheen and is a later innovation. 

Answered by brother @DigitalUmmah

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

4. Is Khilafah of Imam ‘Ali a.s mansoos MinAllah if yes then how can Imam be ready for arbitration to chose a Caliph whereas this mansab is from Allah Almighty and not men. This amal of Imam Ali and also of Imam Hasan a.s proves that Khilafah is not Mansoos MinAllah in the sense the shi’a believe it btu rather as per the agreed upon choice of the best of Muslims of their time and that decision is condiered Mansoos MinAllah. 

 

Khalifat and Imamah are distinct from each other. Imam Ali and Imam Hasan may have been willing to compromise over Khalifa but there was no compromise over Imamah. Much like the Prophet made peace with the kuffar at Hudaibiya. It does not mean they accepted his Prophethood nor does it mean the Prophet (saw) gave up being a Prophet.

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

5. We would like to ask the Shi’a that whether the Promise of Allah Almighty in Surah Nur to give Khilafah and then peace and security to the Muslims , whether this promised has been fulfilled or we wait for time of Imam al Mahdi a.s for this to be fulfilled. In Nahjul Balagha the advises and words of Imam ‘Ali a.s to Hazrat ‘Umar r.a is a shining proof that Imam referred to a promise from Allah in terms of victories of Muslims over Kaiser wal Kisra. And referred to Khalifa as string for the beads. And many others words of wisdom from ‘Amir a.s are shining proof that Salaf e Saliheen understood Khilafat e Rashida r.a as fulfilling this promise of Allah for khilafah to Muslims .

 

Answered by @DigitalUmmah

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

6. Tahrif e Quran: The shi’a state that it is foundational belief of Shi’a Imamiya that there is not a Tahrif of a single Alif or a letter and it is present with us as it was before pure and in original form. Shaykh Saduq, Shaykh Tusi, Sharif Murtaza, Ayatullah Khoei and others are all unianimous on it. We have to give them the credit of trying to educate the Juhalaa among the Shi’a but we ask the Shi’a that do they consider those who believe in Tahrif of Quran al Kerim as Muslims anymore or Kuffar. However it is saddening that the shi’a do not do so as Al-Majlisi, Tabrisi, Qummi and Al-Mufid and others believe in Tahrif e Quran and yet the shia still looka t these scholars as leaders of guidance. Clearly this is a sign of their dishonest and hypocritical stand! Any sane and sincere looker can see through this fallacy and deception.

 

I really believe that because of the stance of Shi’a towards Quran al Kerim they have produced very very scarce and few Huffaz and even they cannot meet the caliber of the Huffaz from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah. The urge and great love for Tilawah and organizing the study of Quran al kerim and to do Hifz is found in Ahle Sunnah and not in shi’a and the reason is centuries of their Aqaaed of Tahrif e Quran and doubts over its being in original form and also in their notion that it is not present in the Tartib ‘Ali a.s had compiled.

But now in Iran a lot of people are arising from this deception the late Ayatullah Tabatabai felt this big gap and hence produced a Tafsir known as Tafsir al Mizan.

First you have to define what tahreef is and then we can discuss this. Majlisi & Kulayni may have documented narrations alluding to changes in the Quran but it does not mean that is their belief. You should read the Exegisis on Quran by Al-Khoei to clear up misunderstandings. For example, the Quran was revealed in one order. Caliph Uthman arranged it into largest to shortest surah - is that tahreef?

I could say Hz Aisha believed in tahreef since she claimed the verse of adult suckling was eaten by goats and therefore did not make it into the Quran. Furthermore, Caliph Umar said if he did not fear people, he would have added the verse of stoning into the Quran.

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

7. Sahaba: In Quran al kerim, Nahjul Balagha, Sahifah e Sjaadiya if we look at the understanding of Sahaba then only way of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah is in line with Quran al Kerim and Nahjul Balagha and Sahifah e Imam Ali bin al Hussain. The fact that their praise in mentioned in Quran al Kerim and authentic ahadith is enough a proof for the Fazilat e Sahaba e Kiraam. The Shi’a never attack the companions of Imams and it seems from their ways that they honor ‘Ali a.s more than Rasoolallah saws as they do not realise the branches are not like the root. And the Adab and love of Rasoolallah Saws would have demanded from them to keep their tongues shut in matters of Sahaba e Kiraam and realized that they had believed and occumpanied Nabi e Akhiruzamaan saws and fought for Islam and laid their lives and wealth for the cause of Islam and spread the Word of Tawhid across the world. 

 

This is the reason that we find less love for Quran al Kerim, Implementing Sunnah and Jihad in the Shi’a as Sahaba e Kiraam are the real Pioneers in them and this Deen spread through them. This is why very few books on Seerah and few Naat khaawn were found among the Shi’a. This is why their hearts do not Brim with Zikr e Mustafa (Saws) like you find with Ahle Sunnah.

It is highly ignorant of you to even make sure assertions.

1. We do not need to justify our love of the Prophet (saw) to anyone. He means more to us than he does to any Sunni.
2. We have nothing but love and respect for all sahaba. Our definition of sahaba is different from yours. You say anyone to saw the Prophet is a sahaba. We say anyone who saw, loved, respected the Prophet and then did the same with his progeny is a sahaba. People like Salman, Abu Dharr, Bilal, Ammar, etc.
3. Reward for Prophet is nothing but love for his near relatives (42.23). You side with everyone against the AhlulBayt while we side with the AhlulBayt everytime. This is love, you have hypocrisy.
   Abu Bakr vs Ali at Saqifah - you choose Abu Bakr; we choose Ali (muwadat-fil-qurba).
   Abu Bakr vs Fatima for Fadak -  you choose Abu Bakr; we choose Fatima (muwadat-fil-qurba).
   Nomination of Umar over Ali -  you choose Umar; we choose Ali (muwadat-fil-qurba). 
   Shura - you choose Uthman; we choose Ali (muwadat-fil-qurba). 
   Jamal - you choose Aisha; we choose Ali (muwadat-fil-qurba). 
   Siffin  - you choose Muawiya; we choose Ali (muwadat-fil-qurba).
   Peace treaty between Muawiya and Hasan - you choose Muawiya; we choose Hasan (muwadat-fil-qurba)
   Karbala - you choose Yazeed; we choose Husain (muwadat-fil-qurba)
   You have nothing but lip service and hypocrisy in your faith.
   Our gatherings for celebrating the Prophet get bombed by your brothers and you are challenging us over who loves the Prophet more.
4. What jihad are you touting - ISIS, Al-Qaida, Al-Nusra, Taliban? All of these cursed groups are  Sunni and an embarrassment to Islam and Humanity.

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

Their support of Yahud wal Nasara and despising Jihad and how Allah Almighty has always strengthened Borders of Islam through followers of Sahaba e Kiraam and Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah is another shining proof of the Shia being on misguidance.

 

Lets see. Israel (Yahud) and US (Nasara) both have a great ally in the Middle East - the bastion of Sunnism namely Saudi Arabia.
Israel (Yahud) and US (Nasara) both have a great enemy in the Middle East - the bastion of Shiaism namely Iran.
You were saying...
 

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

Taqqiyah, Rajat and Badaa all these aqaaed are indeed not in line with understanding of the Quran al Kerim by the Salaf e Saliheen and hence are later innovations of the Shi’a.

 

 

Taqiyya is in the Quran. It was first started when the Prophet (saw) told Ammar-e-Yasir to hide his faith for fear of losing his life. 

It seems like you have little to no knowledge about the basics of Islam.

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

In terms of Ilm e Rijaal and science of Hadith Shi’a cannot match the hardwork and knowledge base of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah.

The foundation of Shia thought process is very weak but that of Ahle Sunnah is like steel so on what should one base his/her Aqaaed.

Steel like believing the Prophet was bewitched, adult males being breastfed bu women. I am glad our ilm-e-rijal and science of hadith is different. 

8 hours ago, Abdul Haleem said:

We seek sincere answers of the Shi’a to these questions of ours and ask them that is not their line of thinking actually trying to paint a very negative picture of First Muslims and What hope does his generation or many others have in a revolution and change and Tazkiyaa wa Tasfiyaa if he Greatest of all Teachers Nabi e Akhiruzamaan Saws could not bring such a change only handful of Muslims remained true to their belief and then their belief of Imamat and Taqqiyah . 

 

I believe these are genuine questions every shia should ponder over and Allah has power over all things and He alone is Al-Hadi

I would like to know who "we" is.

Shias dont do anything. All Islamist terrorist groups are Sunni. Either they are following the teachings of the Prophet that makes them so OR they are following the teachings of the First Muslim Leaders. Since the Shias also follow the teachings of the Prophet and then the AhlulBayt - clearly the issue resides with the First Muslim Leaders. I can safely say Islamic terrorism would not exist if it weren't for the First Muslim Leaders.

If you want to discuss Usul-e-deen, let's start with Tawheed. NO, Allah DOES NOT HAVE A FOOT THAT HE WILL PUT IN HELL. Start there.

[Aabiss_Shakari]

Oh there is no concept of Imamah in Quran and Hadith but strong Quranic verses and hadith for Caliphate of Abu Bakar.  I think i should convert.