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In the Name of God بسم الله


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On 10/11/2016 at 0:33 PM, wmehar2 said:

Adam AS, still came first and they from his loins. 

The verse if anything supports Adam's existence before anything else by having his loins contain descendants.  In no way or shape or form does this verse insinuate nor imply that anyone of us pre-existed Adam AS.

But these descendants of Adam were not in physical form. Were they?

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I recently thought about this topic again, and I searched to see if I could find any clear, saheeh, narration on it. There seems to be one widely available narration by Imam Ridha (عليه السلام) on this topic; however, I cannot confirm its authenticity, since a couple of the transmittors in this narration are unknown / Majhool. 

 Are there any narrations on this topic with saheeh or acceptable isnad?




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Here's a Hasan/Good narration that has been used to reject reincarnation. Could I please have an accurate translation of it. Thank you!

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ أَبِي وَلَّادٍ الْحَنَّاطِ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ‏ قُلْتُ لَهُ جُعِلْتُ فِدَاكَ يَرْوُونَ أَنَّ أَرْوَاحَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ فِي حَوَاصِلِ طُيُورٍ خُضْرٍ حَوْلَ الْعَرْشِ فَقَالَ لَا الْمُؤْمِنُ أَكْرَمُ عَلَى اللَّهِ مِنْ أَنْ يَجْعَلَ رُوحَه‏

فِي حَوْصَلَةِ طَيْرٍ وَ لَكِنْ فِي أَبْدَانٍ كَأَبْدَانِهِم‏

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