Shia sheikh standing behind Trump in rally!

[repenter-gone4awhile]

31 minutes ago, ema said:

You see, everything takes a first step. Even someone you end up marrying might start with first greeting, smile, etc. So he was able to be that close at almost front line in such a short time, that is amazing by itself.

So lets be patient on educating Trump. I know it is not an overnight task.

At least Trump did not freak out by the sight of Islamic cleric with very Islamic attire, and did not call security to deport the "Muslim" out of country. He came a long way already.

Do they have leprechauns and unicorns were you live right now? 

[ema]

6 minutes ago, repenter said:

Do they have leprechauns and unicorns were you live right now? 

I beg you a pardon? Sorry, I don't get your joke.

So you want Saudi Salafi to get access to Trump as the only representative of Muslim or Islam, instead?

Edited October 3, 2016 by ema

[repenter-gone4awhile]

3 minutes ago, ema said:

I beg you a pardon? Sorry, I don't get your joke.

it's fine, what you said was pretty naive that's all, unless you were sarcastic. Just like the whole: "We don't know what his intentions are yet" ordeal. And to think the secret service would let this man close to a candidate before checking his whole background up to who his grandma is and what she eats for lunch is pretty naive too. 
2016, and shias are still as gullible as before when it comes to politics. 

[ema]

Of course there would be security check that the shia would not harm or kill Trump. 

If you claim to have better idea in politics than educating the enemy on Islam with diplomacy first, then please kindly share.

[hasanhh]

1 hour ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

@Ali-F @repenter @Haydar Husayn

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/01/area-middle-eastern-leaders-got-face-time-trump-novi/91357724/

 

Compare -especially with the pic- http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/politics/2015/6/18/lebanese-shia-turn-against-the-party-of-god 

Who is "paying" these people?

[ema]

It shows the matter is very important with huge impact.

I am glad that Saudi Salafi was not the only people who were trying to push their cause by influence.

So why do you complain if shia mobilized themselves and trying to have Shia interest to be spared?

Are you complaining that the Shia cleric was not good enough for the task?

If someone who is far more qualified from your group was to do the job instead, then you should worry about the risk and impact on his name if failed. 

[repenter-gone4awhile]

23 minutes ago, ema said:

Of course there would be security check that the shia would not harm or kill Trump. 

If you claim to have better idea in politics than educating the enemy on Islam with diplomacy first, then please kindly share.

If you believe that the enemy doesn't know what Islam is and what it stands for, then i rest my case. They aren't at war with Islam because they don't know Islam, they are at war with Islam, specifically shia Islam because they know exactly what it is and what it stands for, probably better than the average shia.

 

[ema]

I know and 100% sure that neither Trump nor CIA understand what Shia or Islam religion is.

True Shia teaching is very deep and sophisticated which takes special talent, will, opportunity, and years to understand just how deep it is. 

If you really think Trump and CIA have gained knowledge and understanding of true Shia teaching, then I wonder what your understanding might be.

[repenter-gone4awhile]

3 minutes ago, ema said:

I know and 100% sure that neither Trump nor CIA understand what Shia or Islam religion is.

True Shia teaching is very deep and sophisticated which takes special talent, will, opportunity, and years to understand just how deep it is. 

If you really think Trump and CIA have gained knowledge and understanding of true Shia teaching, then I wonder what your understanding might be.

If that makes you sleep better at night. 

[Guest silasun]

Sayed Khamenei issues a ruling with regards to avoiding Hajj for the year:

"Disgusting, how dare he tamper with the rules of God! How dare this man pretend that he has a right like this! Stupid blind followers need to stop following him!"

Turbaned cleric chills with Trump:

"You don't know what's in his heart. Leave him alone. He might be doing it for the sake of God".

I find the level of hypocrisy of some people absolutely insane but quite hilarious at the same time. Let us just say that intercession of the AhlulBayt (as) is not attained through a few tears- the level of intercession is based on how well one followed the Wali he wants intercession from during this world.

If you are working against Islam by your making excuses for these people and staying away from those close to God then you are denying yourself from their intercession.You are building the next world with your actions right now!

Spare the crocodile tears you shed for the Imams. You are your actions. Do not compromise anything for the sake of prejudice you feel to x or y ideology or scholar.

[ema]

It is so easy to attack other shia without offering alternative solution.

What good does it do to viciously attack when none of us have a better idea?

Dividing among shia and attacking each other instead of cooperating would not make shia's situation any better.

The whole world is facing an emergency situation now.

If Trump is left being the way he is, the state of ultimate ignorance, who is about to get the supreme power over the world, he might be crazy enough to start a war with Iran.

This is not a time to bickering at the Shia cleric who is trying to reach out for the better.

Edited October 3, 2016 by ema

[kamyar]

What makes these Akhound darbaaris' action unacceptable is not just sitting with bad individuals, but here, in these cases, we are seeing a form of support, which is unjustified and unjustifiable.

[ema]

Almost all Trump supporters are ignorant, muslim haters. So when his supporters see their Boss with muslim cleric, Trump will lose votes from the ignorant, rednecks and racists.

So what is the problem?

[ZhugeLiang]

I think this cleric basically promotes the myth of Shias being conspirators and his little Free Shia movement makes the enemies happy as they essentially get to push their ideas that there is great dissension and division amongst us. He is basically publicly showing his allegiance to Trump.You think this worm is going to wiggle his way into his inner circle and bestow upon him the truth, whatever, i wouldn't be surprised if he is enjoying some Judas coins. We must also bare in mind Trump is not elected as the leader of state, yet the sheikh is basically supporting his claim to leadership whilst draped in the flag of shi'ism.

He has an issue with Hassan Nasrallah, at least i see where his arrows fly and how he refrains from sitting with the tyrants and the clowns who attempt to be tyrants. So far this dudes record is quite abysmal in comparison to the ones he criticises or has formed a movement against.

Inb4 he wasn't publicly showing allegiance, mate he wasn't exactly in the row with the plebs, it takes some mad clearance to stand in the back row, and of course some ecstatic pleasure from the PR agents at the sight of a Muslim validator.

Edited October 3, 2016 by ShiaBwoy

[ZhugeLiang]

I think we also need to consider the weight of his actions, whilst staining us and validating the tyrant, he himself in my opinion will have little to no impact on the trump supporters. He is just a tool that will be discarded. Lets not over estimate the effectiveness of his actions as they are far from skilful. They do incredibly more damage than good.

[ema]

@ShiaBwoy

Could you explain how Trump invalidating himself in front of his voters is little or no impact while upsetting some Shia do incredibly more damage?

Could you please explain the "incredibly more damaging" part by giving actual example?

Edited October 3, 2016 by ema

[Ali-F]

3 hours ago, ema said:

@ShiaBwoy

Could you explain how Trump invalidating himself in front of his voters is little or no impact while upsetting some Shia do incredibly more damage?

Could you please explain the "incredibly more damaging" part by giving actual example?

 

Do you genuinely think that just because Trump is shaking hands with a Shia-Muslim preacher, his racist/Anti-Muslim voters will refrain from him? C'mon, don't be naive! 

[ZhugeLiang]

6 hours ago, ema said:

@ShiaBwoy

Could you explain how Trump invalidating himself in front of his voters is little or no impact while upsetting some Shia do incredibly more damage?

Could you please explain the "incredibly more damaging" part by giving actual example?

What i meant by incredibly more damaging, is that when a sheikh wearing the robes that represent the Shi'i seminary and scholarship stands with a tyrant. It makes us look incredibly bad in the eyes of both the muslim world and non muslim world. Its not just some minority of Shia that will be upset on shiachat, the ramifications are potentially larger than that.

For example you can bet nearly every anti shia website will eventually get their hands on this piece of propaganda. They always want to present us as conspirators or people in league with the system of oppression.Rather than preventing this image of us, this dude basically validated all the haters opinions of us. Or you will have many Trump supporters who are stupid and see it as him actually validating himself, do you even realise how little they care about facts or coherent thinking? How many Sunni brothers can see this article or video and basically rethink their position about us and tilt towards the more negative perspectives on us out there? Any non muslim who hates trump and reads any article about this sheikhs visits to trump will basically associate our strain of Islam with the values of Trump. Heck i wouldn't blame em? i don't rate anyone who stands with Trump. All this for essentially getting to sit with Trump for an hour in my humble opinion, this sheikh played himself badly. He basically stained our reputation for a WEAK shot at possibly getting the attention of a narcissistic goof like Donald Trump.

Why couldn't he go their without the flag of shi'ism, as a normal muslim dude, in just plain normal clothes. Oh of course Trumps PR team wouldn't even care about him. Not to mention this whole situation was essentially about appearances!!

 

Edited October 3, 2016 by ShiaBwoy
No more wall of text.

[ema]

Trump is like a child who is about to get his hand on machine gun.

Adults rush to talk to the child before he does anything crazy.

So Muslims, including the Shia tried to reach out to Trump.

We don't know if Trump's PR team asked the Shia cleric to stand behind Trump to show support as exchange of having face time with Trump and could not refuse since there is always price to pay.

With the cost benefit analysis, with possible positive or negative effect on voters, the Shia cleric may had no other better choice in best of his knowledge from that moment.

Edited October 3, 2016 by ema

[ZhugeLiang]

1 hour ago, ema said:

Trump is like a child who is about to get his hand on machine gun.

Adults rush to talk to the child before he does anything crazy.

10/10 best description of the whole situation in America. Stahp dont dew it!

I'd be willing to agree with you and give benefit of the doubt but in my eyes his record is zero especially after i read the article about him also representing an active group dedicated to criticising Hezbollah. Now you can say its justified if you don't like them but so far two strikes on his record. Quite substantial ones indeed. Supporting Trump and forming a movement in opposition of one of the largest Shia militias defending Lebanon. Very naughty.

Edited October 3, 2016 by ShiaBwoy

[Abu Hadi]

Although I would never vote for or support Trump, there is no basis for blaming this sheikh for going. Maybe he went to take selfies to show his family (as a joke), Maybe he got lost on the way to Salat Jumah ? Maybe they were serving high quality snacks ? 

I don't think Trump would be any better or worse than Hillary. 

It's like the choice between one male selfish billionaire liar or a female selfish billionaire liar. 

[ema]

Trashing the Shia cleric in his absence is very unfair by itself.

It is like conducting court trial while the defendant is absent to speak.

It is called breach of due process right.

[Irfani313]

Another Yasir Habib in making.

[LeftCoastMom]

On October 1, 2016 at 2:58 PM, repenter said:

Ofc we know the results already. A shia cleric shows up at a trump rally, not only in the rally, but in the damn background where a selected few can stand. What message does that give to the world? 

Nailed it.

(Never thought I would agree with @repenter on anything.)

If any folks here have been asked to sit on the dias with the speaker at a political rally they know...

Doesn't usually happen by accident.

Here, have a slice...

[LeftCoastMom]

On October 2, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Shaykh Patience101 said:

@Ali-F @repenter @Haydar Husayn

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/01/area-middle-eastern-leaders-got-face-time-trump-novi/91357724/

 

 

Not sure how everyone missed this.

He has You-Tubes.

I didn't watch them as I can't understand them and he is not so much my business.

Stumbled over him looking for the Chaldean priest, who is more  my business.

[Totoro]

On 10/4/2016 at 5:07 AM, ema said:

Trashing the Shia cleric in his absence is very unfair by itself.

It is like conducting court trial while the defendant is absent to speak.

It is called breach of due process right.

Salam

Talking behind people is bad...but always? Some people doesn't have any back ^____^ since they show it to everyone proudly. And we have some sayings ( or even hadith) that we should not put ourselves in the wrong places ( as it has been mentioned in this very thread )

We won't attack him...OK ... but let's talk generally... Is it OK for a Shia scholar to stand behind Trump? without any hidden blade? ^____^ (joking) Or even worse, as the LetCostMom brought to light (thanks a lot), take personal pictures with him while the man is thumbing up? (be sure i'm getting the wrong message ^___^ ) If I were a Shia scholar, which some illusion of it comes to me now and then, I wound never ever do it.

Since when American politicians, especially their leaders, have sided with Shia? or I might have been so deep in checking this year's new video games that I haven't noticed. For God's sake, Shia scholars are considered religious leaders! They can't go everywhere while having those robes (which many respect) and say "It is my personal understanding!" If it is personal, then go there with normal clothes. We have lots of scholars who never put robes on, because they are afraid of consequences...they fear they might give some wrong messages without knowing it... *_____*... How can one take a photo with Trump! Can we put this kind of action and Imam Hosein's  in the same plate? And say they are both Shia leaders? Would Imam Hosein take such stands behind or beside Trump? 

 

[ema]

1 hour ago, Totoro said:

Since when American politicians, especially their leaders, have sided with Shia?

After either Hilary or Trump wins, would it be easier to ask for face to face time with a new president to consider Shia's position? Or would it be easier to show some support before they win to gain understanding on Shia and Islam's stand point?

Of course that Shia cleric knew the backlash by fellow Shia. It took so much courage and huge risk to himself to reach out to Trump. With that Shia cleric dress, those crazy, racist, anti-Islamic Trump fans could have harmed the Shia.

But someone had to go there to talk to Trump with diplomacy. Other Shia clerics got too high of status to sacrifice their names, especially if failed.

If not with diplomacy, is there any better way to prevent any harm to Muslims in the world? You can not just antagonize New American president to effectively stop his ignorant actions against Ummah.

The cleric's action seem to be a matter of detrimental risk management by sacrificing his own reputation to save lives.

Edited October 5, 2016 by ema

[Totoro]

1 hour ago, ema said:

After either Hilary or Trump wins, would it be easier to ask for face to face time with a new president to consider Shia's position? Or would it be easier to show some support before they win to gain understanding on Shia and Islam's stand point?

Salam

Here we have a little problem which goes back to how we see this little world of ours circle around itself ^____^

As I see it, a country based on invasion and making slaves of others (in classic or modern terms) never likes a fair and authentic religion! why would it? US doesn't spare her own people....let alone others...especially Shias...why? Because they(shias) don't see this world as others do...they don't go by the rules of mundane world...they have some issues where they believe in unseen beings...can you believe it? They have faith in Allah! ^___^... at least this is what true shia codes teach...

By our teachings sister, we will be the most inconvenient people for oppressors...we believe in Martyrdom,but not blind type of it! We believe in reasoning and logic, but not materialistic one! We believe in World Order, but not western kind, we believe in Holy Guidance but not in a secular way, detached from politics.

Just check and see what doctrines they support. Why hate preachers of Shia have their headquarters in London? Why secular and modern Islamic movements come from US? why never authentic movements of Shia are supported through those large amounts of money which come from UK and US embassies? 

How can we trust countries who always tried and planned to weaken Islam? I have heard this reason frequently: "We go to them and try to be friendly, so that we can change their minds towards Islam and Shia". All noble and wise, eh? But the problem is, we always have our friends changing their beliefs after meeting with THEM. not the other way around.

I'm talking about politicians and not academics or even lay people...they are different...they might listen...they might think...they might even contribute...there is always a chance to even learn from them...but not politicians... for God's sake, I can't trust Shia politicians, let alone Americans. ^____^

[ema]

@Totoro 

You might be surprised what happen at other Shia chat room this morning. They were supporting Trump over Hilary as American President. They were Iranians and Pakistani.

"Trump is the best." and "If you don't support Trump, you are a munafiq."

I did not understand what was going on. One American Shia told me perhaps Russia is supporting Trump and since Russia is also supporting Iran and Syria, some Shia decided to support Trump.

[Totoro]

@ema

If I remember correctly, in political struggles Imams recommended their followers to stand aside and not back up any side. I wonder if they would do the same thing, if we had direct access to them now.

I know many of our sisters and brothers in Iraq or Syria have lost their dears due to US foreign policy...either directly get killed by US troops or because of their strategy. And both Democrats and Republicans are deep in military affairs...with little differences here. I would be ashamed to look in mourning eyes of my brothers and sisters after having sided with any American politician. My personal feeling anyway.

[ema]

21 minutes ago, Totoro said:

Imams recommended their followers to stand aside and not back up any side.

Currently, War zone can reach further and wider area than the time of Imams.

There is no place to stand aside and stay neutral.

We all would get affected one way or the other.

[Future_Banker_Insha Allah]

On 10/1/2016 at 12:51 PM, Ali-F said:

 

Look at this. Just found this on youtube, while looking at the people who were behind Trump, I saw this man with a white turban (look closely). I soon found out that he was wearing typical shia scholar clothes. 

What do you think?Is it a shia sheikh? If yes, what is he doing?!

 

 

erm and what mate? whats ur point?

Him standing behind trump doesn't remove him from islam or lower his iman in any way shape or form. 

Just cuz he supports trump and what? so do i #TRUMP2024 INSHA'ALLAH! 

stop deciding people's lives and relgion cuz they don''t agree with u

[Future_Banker_Insha Allah]

OKAY NVM I REALISED THIS POST IS FROM 2016 BEFORE TRUMP BECAME PRES AND THEN ACTUALLY MADE GOOD POLICIES STOPPING WARS, CONFLICTS, IMPROVING RELATIONS AND HELPING THE ECONOMY AND OTHER THINGS SO NO ONE KNEW HE WOULD BE A DECENT PRESIDENT YET. MY BAD

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, Future_Banker_Insha Allah said:

so do i #TRUMP2024 INSHA'ALLAH! 

stop deciding people's lives and relgion cuz they don''t agree with u

Salam after martyrdom of Hajj Qasem soleimani (رضي الله عنه) by his order & his  total support from Sheer evil zionist Israel  so then it's obvious he is sheer evil & anyone who supports him is in party of Shaitan (Satan) .

[Abu_Zahra]

13 hours ago, Future_Banker_Insha Allah said:

Just cuz he supports trump and what? so do i #TRUMP2024 INSHA'ALLAH! 

You probably don't want to support someone who openly supports genocide