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why Shia hate A'isha ?

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Here are some reasons not all :

 

She rode a camel that the Messenger of Allah forbade her from riding and warned her about the barking of al-Hawab's dogs,31 she travelled long distances from al-Medinah to Mekka then to Basrah, she permitted the killing of innocent people and started a war against the commander of the believers and the Companions who voted for him, and she caused the deaths of thousands of Muslims, according to the historians.32 
When she was on her way back from Mekka Aishah was informed that Uthman was killed, so she was delighted, but when she learnt that people had voted for ‘Ali (as) to succeed him she became very angry and said, "I wish the sky would collapse on the earth before Ibn Abi Talib succeeds to the caliphate." Then she said, "Take me back." Thus she started the civil war against ‘Ali (as) , whose name she never liked to mention, as many historians agree.
Had Aishah heard the saying of the Messenger of Allah (saw): “Loving ‘Ali is believing, and hating him is hypocrisy”?33 To the extent that some of the Companions used to say, "We recognized the hypocrites by their hatred of ‘Ali." Had Aishah not heard the saying of the Prophet: Whoever accepts me as his master, then ‘Ali is his master? Undoubtedly she heard all that, but she did not like it, and she did not like mentioning his name, and when she learnt of his death she knelt and thanked Allah.34


31 al Imamah was Siyasah 
32. Al Tabari, Ibn al Athir and other historians who wrote about the events in the Year 36 A.H 
33. Sahih, Muslim, vol 1 p 48 
34. Al Tabari, Ibn al Athir, who wrote about the events in the Year of 40 Hijri

It has been said that when Aishah passed by the waters of al-Hawab and heard the dogs barking, she remembered the warning of her husband, the Messenger of Allah, and how he prevented her from being the instigator of "al-Jamal" war. She cried, and then she said, "Take me back. Take me back!" But Talhah and al- Zubayr brought fifty men and bribed them, then made them testify that these waters were not al-Hawab's waters. Later she continued her journey until she reached Basrah. Many historians believe that those fifty men gave the first falsified testimony in the history of Islam.
Al Tabari, Ibn al Athir and other historians who wrote about the events of the Year 40 A.H

For the sake of further clarification and for the sake of my own satisfaction I mention here what al-Bukhari had to say in his book about the civil war. When Talhah, al-Zubayr and Aishah travelled to Basrah, ‘Ali sent Ammar ibn Yasir and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali to al-Kufah. On their arrival, they went to the mosque and addressed the congregation, and we heard Ammar saying, "Aishah had gone to Basrah and by Allah she is the wife of your Prophet in this life and the life hereafter, but Allah, the Most High, is testing you to know whom you obey: Him or her."36
Also al-Bukhari wrote in his book a chapter about what went on in the houses of the Prophet's wives: Once the Prophet (saw) was giving a speech, and he indicated the house where Aishah was living, then said, "There is the trouble…there is the trouble…there is the trouble…from where the devil's horns come out ..."37

36.Bukhari, vol 4 p 161 
37. Sahih, Bukhari, vol 2 p 128

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 In the name of Allah

Salam;

    We believe that 'Ayesha in one occasion disobeyed the Prophet's order and the verses of Holy Qur'an (surah al-Tahrim, 4-5) revealed for that.

    Our Sunni brothers believe in the caliphate of Ali after three caliphs. Indeed they were Guided Caliphs. What do you think about a person or a group who fight and rise a rebellion against the caliph of Muslims? What do you judge If this person is Ayesh? 

      In order to get information about these two issues on detail, you can refer to these links:

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Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

 

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Just now, Abu_Rumaysah said:

Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

 

What is that joke of the day ?? Haha she's your mother cause she breastfed your ancestors 

 

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According to sahih Bukhari a story narrated by the breastfeeder herself she lied to the Holy Prophet (pbuh and his family ) that angered him so much that he struck her in her chest ! In your own books.  She fought the Imam of her time what does that make her you hypocrite?? She didn't allow Imam Hassan (as) to be buried next to her grandfather and she rode a mule and got arrows shot at Imam Hasssn ( as) body ! And who's the awaited Mahdi (as) coming from according to your doctrine ? And what did she do to his grandfathers body ? Then you say May Allah be pleased with her. Haha

the two usurpers who are buried by the Prophet ( pbuh and his family ) weren't they ordered to shut their doors to the mosque ??? Only one door was left open imam Ali (as ) door !! Hypocrites 

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23 hours ago, Abu_Rumaysah said:

Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

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On 9/22/2016 at 11:08 PM, Abu_Rumaysah said:

Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

 

And i opted to slaughter them before my eyes in the day of Jamal. 

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On 9/22/2016 at 2:08 PM, Abu_Rumaysah said:

Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

 

SubhanAllah!

If only some of our brothers could understand the depth of this simple phrase.

To clear the air regarding her "participation" in the battle, let us not forget the following bit.

Ibn Habban narrated in al-Thiqat that ‘Aisha wrote to Abu Musa al-Ash’ari and to ‘Ali in al-Kufa: “You have witnessed the events leading to the murder of ‘Uthman and I have decided to go and fix the matters between the people…”

‘Ali then sent al-Qa’qa’ ibn ‘Amr al-Tamimi to ‘Aisha and he said: “O mother, what brings you to these lands?” she said: “my son I have come to settle matters between the people.”

And after the war of al-Jamal ‘Ali told ‘Aisha:

“May Allah forgive you” she said: “And you, I only wished to fix the affairs.”

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On 22 September 2016 at 7:08 PM, Abu_Rumaysah said:

Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

 

B E A U T I F U L

 

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On ‎22‎-‎9‎-‎2016 at 8:08 PM, Abu_Rumaysah said:

Allama Ajurri in his Shariah reported that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) been said: "There is a man who says that you are not his mother". Our mother said: "He is correct. I am mother of believers and not mother of hypocrites".

 

Then why did she wanted to kill Imam Ali a.s.? Was he a.s. a hypocrite?

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48 minutes ago, Faruk said:

 

Then why did she wanted to kill Imam Ali a.s.? Was he a.s. a hypocrite?

I admit that there is no end to conjecture but if Aisha (ra) wanted to kill Imam Ali (ra), she would have done it when her father (ra) was the leader of Muslims.  At one point, as another conjectural story goes, certain Companions - at the behest of her father - (allegedly) had a rope tied around Imam Ali's (ra) neck and was dragging him around.  

Enough of this nonsense!

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technically, she wasn't mother of anyone, since she was barren. just sayin. being called a "mother" by title is in no way at all the same as being a biological mother. 

Can we see our mothers hair? yes. can we see the hair of the wife of the holy prophet? no
Can we hug our mothers? yes. can we hug the wife of the holy prophet? no
can we sleep in the same bed as our mothers? yes. can we sleep in the same bed as the wife of the holy prophet? no

we hate her for a number of reasons, but mainly because she disobeyed a direct, personal, command to her by name, in the Quran. 

shia say that anyone who disobeyed a direct command from Allah is a maloon. bakris say that she is the foremost women in the world because of her disobedience towards Allah, because sunni logic. 

if this despicable act was not enough for any sane person - the reason she disobeyed the holy quran, was to lead an army in an unjust battle against the rightful caliph of her time, in which 10,000 (!!!!!) muslims died in a single day. 

oh Allah curse the transgressors. Alhamdulillah we shia only respect those worthy of respect. 

 

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34 minutes ago, onereligion said:

I admit that there is no end to conjecture but if Aisha (ra) wanted to kill Imam Ali (ra), she would have done it when her father (ra) was the leader of Muslims.  At one point, as another conjectural story goes, certain Companions - at the behest of her father - (allegedly) had a rope tied around Imam Ali's (ra) neck and was dragging him around.  

Enough of this nonsense!


Are you trying to divert us from the elephant in the room brada?


You can doubt the stories you mentioned but we're talking about the Battle of the Camel now which is confirmed by your own sources as fact lest you believe that she just wanted to give him a.s. a bundle of flowers.



 

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3 minutes ago, Faruk said:


You can doubt the stories you mentioned but we're talking about the Battle of the Camel now which is confirmed by your own sources as fact lest you believe that she just wanted to give him a.s. a bundle of flowers.
 

Battle of Camel is an undeniable fact.  What we are discussing is the role that Aisha (ra) had to play in it.  Unfortunately for you, she did not set out to fight, or kill, Imam Ali (ra) nor did she go to give him a bundle of flowers.  She only went to settle the matters.  Instead those who were bent upon fitnah spread in both camps and launched an attack.

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20 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

technically, she wasn't mother of anyone, since she was barren.

shia say that anyone who disobeyed a direct command from Allah is a maloon. 

she disobeyed the holy quran

 

 

Sorry to say this brother but you are a maloon by your own standards.  If someone becomes maloon for disobeying the Qur'an, then you have written your name under that column by disobeying Allah (swt) for He clearly states that the wives (ra) of the Prophet (saw) are the Mothers of the Believers, barren or not!

To refute your post was easy but I thought I would allow you to be judge over your own error.

May Allah (swt) forgive you.  

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2 minutes ago, onereligion said:

Sorry to say this brother but you are a maloon by your own standards.  If someone becomes maloon for disobeying the Qur'an, then you have written your name under that column by disobeying Allah (swt) for He clearly states that the wives (ra) of the Prophet (saw) are the Mothers of the Believers, barren or not!

did she give birth to you, that she is your mother? learn to read, bakri. 

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9 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

did she give birth to you, that she is your mother? learn to read, bakri. 

"The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers...." (Surah Al-Ahzab verse 6).  Learn to understand the Qur'an for what it says, not what you hear from the pulpits.

Keep your Biology lesson in your pocket and recognize who declared her (ra) our mother.

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24 minutes ago, onereligion said:

 Unfortunately for you, she did not set out to fight, or kill, Imam Ali (ra)  She only went to settle the matters.  

Settling matters by waging war. Right!

She should have stayed in her house as the Prophet s.a.w.a.s. commanded her to do anyway.

The only matter that had to be settled is that they had to accept their caliph and not become power-hungry using the death of Uthman as an excuse.

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Just now, Faruk said:

Settling matters by waging war. Right!


She should have stayed in her house as the Prophet s.a.w.a.s. commanded her to do so.

If you choose to overlook the message of my post and condense it to something you can "refute", then you have bigger problems than selective reading.

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23 minutes ago, onereligion said:

If you choose to overlook the message of my post and condense it to something you can "refute", then you have bigger problems than selective reading.

It is what it is but only when certain interests or persons have to be defended things become complicated.

Just relax bro'.

Aisha erred even according to your scholars and everyone knew that Imam Ali a.s. wasn't responsible for the death of Uthman. It were actually Talha, Zubayr and Aisha who instigated the people against Uthman.

Imam Ali a.s. protected and negotiated with Uthman. He never even had the intention to kill him. The nonsense started only after he a.s. became caliph.

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3 minutes ago, Faruk said:

Aisha erred even according to your scholars and everyone knew that Imam Ali a.s. wasn't responsible for the death of Uthman.

Imam Ali a.s. protected and negotiated with Uthman. He never even had the intention to kill him. The nonsense started only after he a.s. became caliph.

- According to our scholars, Muawiyah was in error for being hasty in the matter of qisas.  Aisha (ra) had no role but to calm things down.  However, there is not a Sunni scholar I know who puts the blame of Uthman's (ra) murder on Imam Ali (ra).

- You have brought a good point for everyone to ponder upon.  Why would Imam Ali (ra) send Imam Hassan (ra) and Imam Hussain (ra) to protect Uthman (ra) if Uthman (ra) was what you Shias say he was?

Forget about Sunnah, your (Shia) actions contradict those of Imam Ali's (ra).  Imam Ali (ra) sought to protect Uthman (ra); you curse Uthman (ra).  Imam Ali (ra) never claimed or reclaimed Fadak; 1400 years have passed and you still cannot get over it.  Imam Ali (ra) named his children Umar, et cetera; there is not a Shia child named Umar.  On and on!

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I never cursed Uthman bro' but I do not venerate him either. Imam Ali a.s. criticized his policy which was indeed justified from the side of Imam Ali a.s.

I don't know about Imam Ali calling his sons Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman. That sounds really too fantastic to be honest.

Maybe for those who do wishful-thinking but it sounds the same as ahaadith wherein Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman are mentioned in exactly the same order as their caliphates. Fabricated later on as a sort of justification or divine will.

 

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Hazrat Aisha and some other sahabas were key player in uthman's murder but then they twisted and turned things around to blame imam ali. it was just a excuse they needed to go to war with the imam of her time. I recommend they read their own history books like Tabari. Her grudge against imam ali is known and is mentioned in top sunni books.

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3 hours ago, pyaro said:

Do you really think that Bibi Aisha was that naive that she went out with a full army behind her and yet she supposedly only wanted to achieve peace? Come on, get real please.

Why do members here reply with questions or their own conjecture without giving any proof?

Now we are to believe that Aisha (ra) and other Companions (ra) were "key" players in Uthman's (ra) murder....amazing story lines.

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SHe was the prophets(saw) wife chosen by Allah,Muhammad saw loved her,by that juncture she is deserving of all of our respect,not that she needs it.she was a better muslim than we could ever hope to become. who do we think we are"she doesnt deserve our respect",by Allah if we got wat we deserved we would have been destroyed long ago..

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In the name of Allah

Salam;

    We believe that 'Ayesha in one occasion disobeyed the Prophet's order and the verses of Holy Qur'an (surah al-Tahrim, 4-5) revealed for that.

    Our Sunni brothers should believe in the caliphate of Ali after three caliphs. Indeed they were Guided Caliphs.because he was chosen and sweared allegiance with by majority of Muslims (Muhajerin and Ansar). What do you think about a person or a group who fight and rise a rebellion against the caliph of Muslims? What do you judge If this person is Ayesh? 

      In order to get information about these two issues on detail, you can refer to these links:

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16 hours ago, onereligion said:

Why do members here reply with questions or their own conjecture without giving any proof?

 

Like I said in my previous post, Bibi Aisha left her home which she was refused to do so by Allah (swt), escorted by a full battle hard army that went on to spill the blood of the muslims unjustly. These two are facts.

When you couple in the fact that she also hated Imam Ali (as) and had the courage to lie to the Prophet (saw) to his face and encourage his other wives to do the same, it leaves her in a very tricky position.

You can choose to deny that she never lied to the Prophet (saw), she never left with an army and that she never hated Imam Ali (as). However, these are the facts and that is why the Shias do not see her favourably at all.

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12 hours ago, Taufeeq said:

SHe was the prophets(saw) wife chosen by Allah,Muhammad saw loved her,by that juncture she is deserving of all of our respect,not that she needs it.she was a better muslim than we could ever hope to become. who do we think we are"she doesnt deserve our respect",by Allah if we got wat we deserved we would have been destroyed long ago..

 

Is that why Allah (swt) threatened to replace her with better muslims??

I get the impression that according to the Sunni logic, as long as you are a companion, anything you do or say against the Ahlulbayt (as) is okay. But if you are a companion who defied Abubakr and co., then it becomes a problem and those companions need to be abused and even fought to death- remember the Apostasy wars?

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4 minutes ago, pyaro said:

 

Is that why Allah (swt) threatened to replace her with better muslims??

I get the impression that according to the Sunni logic, as long as you are a companion, anything you do or say against the Ahlulbayt (as) is okay. But if you are a companions who defied Abubakr and co., then it becomes a problem and those companions need to be abused and even fought to death- remember the Apostasy wars?

Yeah I remember. They believe that there were people who paid zakat while not recognizing Abu Bakr as a caliph.

Hilarious.

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22 hours ago, pyaro said:


Salaam Alaykum,

When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" [2:11]

Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not [2:12]

Do you really think that Bibi Aisha was that naive that she went out with a full army behind her and yet she supposedly only wanted to achieve peace? Come on, get real please.

I't's like what the Yankees do. Bringing democracy by droping bombs.

 

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18 hours ago, onereligion said:

Why do members here reply with questions or their own conjecture without giving any proof?

Now we are to believe that Aisha (ra) and other Companions (ra) were "key" players in Uthman's (ra) murder....amazing story lines.

Medina, the heartland of Islam. Full of Sabiqun and armies that fought in Badr as well as Uhud. Sahaba, Al-Ansar amd Al Muhajirun present but Uthman got killed anyway.

Did you never had the slightest thought that Uthman had the majority against him?

Do you know that Aisha called him an old senile fool or man?

Many Sunni historian reported that Once Aisha went to Uthman and asked for her share of inheritance of Prophet (after so many years passed from the death of Prophet). Uthman refrained to give Aisha any money by reminding her that she was one those who testified and encouraged Abu-Bakr to refrain to pay the share of inheritance of Fatimah (sa). So if Fatimah does not have any share of inheritance, then why should she? Aisha became extremely angry at Uthman, and came out saying:

"Kill this old fool (Na’thal), for he is unbeliever."

Sunni references:

- History of Ibn Athir, v3, p206
- Lisan al-Arab, v14, p141
- al-Iqd al-Farid, v4, p290
- Sharh Ibn Abi al-Hadid, v16, pp 220-223

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