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why Shia hate A'isha ?

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1 hour ago, onereligion said:

From Abī Baṣīr from Abī `Abd Allāh (عليه السلام) that the Banī Isrā`īl used to say Mūsa that he was not like (other) men. Mūsa (عليه السلام) wanted to wash himself, and he went to a place where no one from the people can see him. And it was day, and he was washing himself on the shore of a river and he placed his clothes on a rock. And Allāh commanded the rocket to run away from him until the Banū Isrā`īl saw him, and they knew he is not like what they said, and Allāh revealed, “O those who believe, be not like those who annoyed/harmed Mūsa” (33:69)

Source: al-Qummi, Tafseer, (Qum: Daar al-Kitaab, 3rd ed., 1404), vol. 2, pg. 197

The problem with most sunni brothers, is that they are copy and paste specialists and they rely on dodgy anti shia websites and paste their filth without any investigation on here only to be easily refuted.

For me, this is a single narration using a single chain. Also because you sunnis like your rijal system so much, i am going to go on this using your rules. 

Ayatullah Seyed Khoie said in his Mujam al-Rijal, 22/55, he declares the chain weak because Safwaan never met Aboo Basir, from whom he is said to be reporting in the chain! This alone questions the credibility of the sanad. 

Secondly, the most important part of a shia science of hadith is the matan (text), which plays a key role in determining if a hadith is authentic or not. The matan of this report is clearly all messed up because it shows a prophet of Allah in a humiliating position. Allah never humiliates or embarrasses the prophets. 

Shia scholar al-Murtada in his Tanzih al-Anbiya p. 125 states: "What is report with this meaning (i.e. That Musa ran naked, pursuing a stone) is not authentic, and it is not possible for Allah to do that with his prophet"

This hadith makes no sense whatsoever brother. I ask you, why would prophet Musa be angry to punish the rock which was ordered to do so because it had no mind or option? What was the use of beating a rock which had no any feeling? does this make any sense to you brother? The running away of the stone with prophet Musa's clothes wouldn't give him any excuse to disgrace himself by showing his private parts in front of people just because they suspected something? Allah would really allow this? He could stay in his place until someone brought him his cloths or any thing else to veil himself like any sane man would do if something like that happened to him. 

So next time you post something, please use your own mind and brain and don't copy and paste pathetic stuff and paste the same garbage here that has been refuted even from the link shiachat link you provided. Peace. 

 

 

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What is that joke of the day ?? Haha she's your mother cause she breastfed your ancestors   

Wow, I did not hear you create so much commotion when another member quoted a literary novel and a dictionary as proof.  I like your assessment but I provided you another Shia brother's analysis - someone far more knowledgeable than you (known among the online community) - of this hadith.  According to him, as per grading system of 90 to 95 percent of scholars, it is saheeh.  Why have a grading system if your own opinion trumps it?  However, if your judgment depends on a grading system, why are you abandoning it in this case?

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@onereligion you provided just ONE brother's analysis and if you read the entire thread, you will see that the same brother did not have answer to the rest of the brothers logical statements and refutations. Therfore, I would advise you to stop "cherry picking" and read the whole argument (for and against) of all the brothers views before pasting stuff here. 

It would have been better for you to say that wherever this pathetic hadith is written (sunni or shia) that you reject it. it would have then shown that you are not biased. but no, you have to defend bukhari at all costs and this little stunt you pulled of clearly shows your desperation.

Remember, the holy prophet (sawas) left us two things behind. Quran and Ahlulbayt (a.s) and not quran and bukhari. 

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1 hour ago, goldenhawk said:

@onereligion you provided just ONE brother's analysis and if you read the entire thread, you will see that the same brother did not have answer to the rest of the brothers logical statements and refutations. 

Remember, the holy prophet (sawas) left us two things behind. Quran and Ahlulbayt (a.s) and not quran and bukhari. 

I will not do a few things one of which is to ridicule a learned person's level of knowledge or his struggle in obtaining it.  Also, I refuse to ridicule or mock any of the Shia texts or scholars.  However, with all due respect, if I were to choose between members (most of whom copy-paste or answer with questions) and brother Nader Zaveri, I think I will go with the latter.  

Also, I agree that the Prophet (saw) said that he is leaving behind two weighty things, Qur'an and Ahlul Bayt (ra).  The Qur'an commands us to follow the Sunnah when it tells us to follow the Prophet (saw) and Sahih Bukhari is a book of Sunnah.  It goes to the source not descendants of the source that came generations later.

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5 hours ago, onereligion said:

I will not do a few things one of which is to ridicule a learned person's level of knowledge or his struggle in obtaining it.  Also, I refuse to ridicule or mock any of the Shia texts or scholars.  However, with all due respect, if I were to choose between members (most of whom copy-paste or answer with questions) and brother Nader Zaveri, I think I will go with the latter.  

Also, I agree that the Prophet (saw) said that he is leaving behind two weighty things, Qur'an and Ahlul Bayt (ra).  The Qur'an commands us to follow the Sunnah when it tells us to follow the Prophet (saw) and Sahih Bukhari is a book of Sunnah.  It goes to the source not descendants of the source that came generations later.

It is also the sunnah of the Prophet to get bewitched and sleep (or think) with all his wives. Are you bewitched? Based on your rants, you sure seem looney

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21 hours ago, onereligion said:

However, with all due respect, if I were to choose between members (most of whom copy-paste or answer with questions) and brother Nader Zaveri, I think I will go with the latter.  

Of course brother, you are free to choose whoever you want to believe but that should not be your criteria of truth. You should accept the truth regardless of where is comes from. Look at what a person is saying, not WHO is saying it. 

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On 10/4/2016 at 6:45 PM, shiaman14 said:

It is also the sunnah of the Prophet to get bewitched and sleep (or think) with all his wives. Are you bewitched? Based on your rants, you sure seem looney

How many fronts do you plan to open?  You will be beaten from the pillar to post and everything in between.  For all your points that have been refuted, you should be accountable before reaching out for more.  An apology will be the easiest way out, and to move forward, for you.

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7 hours ago, onereligion said:

How many fronts do you plan to open?  You will be beaten from the pillar to post and everything in between.  For all your points that have been refuted, you should be accountable before reaching out for more.  An apology will be the easiest way out, and to move forward, for you.

I have dealt with plenty like you and worse so bring it Looney Tune.

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On 10/11/2016 at 4:06 PM, Amir90 said:

I can't understand one thing bibi Aisha was wife hazrat Muhammad pbuh. All mighty Allah and prophet both were not known that she is not a good women. Please justify.... Allah knows every thing I believe

Please read Surah Tahrim verse 1-6. She was bad enough that Allah threatened her with divorce. What more do you need to know?

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It was narrated that Muhammad ibn `Urayb said:

A man stood up and mentioned `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in `Ali’s radiya Llahu `anhu presence. `Ammar radiya Llahu `anhu came and said: “Who is this man who is reviling the wife of our Rasul? Shut up! You ugly, obnoxious and blameworthy man! [Fada’il al-Ṣahabah, 2/110]

According to another report, he said:

Get lost, you ugly man, do you insult the beloved of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam? [Siyar A`lam al-Nubala’, 2/179; a reliable hadith, according to al-Dhahabi.]

According to another report:

Mention was made of `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in the presence of `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu, and he said: “She is the wife of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam.”[op. cit., 2/176. a reliable hadith.]

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1 hour ago, Abu_Rumaysah said:

It was narrated that Muhammad ibn `Urayb said:

A man stood up and mentioned `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in `Ali’s radiya Llahu `anhu presence. `Ammar radiya Llahu `anhu came and said: “Who is this man who is reviling the wife of our Rasul? Shut up! You ugly, obnoxious and blameworthy man! [Fada’il al-Ṣahabah, 2/110]

According to another report, he said:

Get lost, you ugly man, do you insult the beloved of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam? [Siyar A`lam al-Nubala’, 2/179; a reliable hadith, according to al-Dhahabi.]

According to another report:

Mention was made of `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in the presence of `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu, and he said: “She is the wife of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam.”[op. cit., 2/176. a reliable hadith.]

I know this game:

[Quran 66:4] If you both turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined (to this); and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders.
[Quran 66:5] Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.

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7 hours ago, Abu_Rumaysah said:

It was narrated that Muhammad ibn `Urayb said:

A man stood up and mentioned `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in `Ali’s radiya Llahu `anhu presence. `Ammar radiya Llahu `anhu came and said: “Who is this man who is reviling the wife of our Rasul? Shut up! You ugly, obnoxious and blameworthy man! [Fada’il al-Ṣahabah, 2/110]

According to another report, he said:

Get lost, you ugly man, do you insult the beloved of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam? [Siyar A`lam al-Nubala’, 2/179; a reliable hadith, according to al-Dhahabi.]

According to another report:

Mention was made of `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in the presence of `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu, and he said: “She is the wife of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam.”[op. cit., 2/176. a reliable hadith.]


Nobody denies she was the wife of the Prophet (saw). And no honest person can turn a blind eye to this narration too which puts some her actions in such a position that following her would attest to following Shaitaan as it was grossly misguided and unjust.

When Talha, AzZubair and 'Aisha moved to Basra, 'Ali sent 'Ammar bin Yasir and Hasan bin 'Ali who came to us at Kufa and ascended the pulpit. Al-Hasan bin 'Ali was at the top of the pulpit and 'Ammar was below Al-Hasan. We all gathered before him. I heard 'Ammar saying, "'Aisha has moved to Al-Busra. By Allah! She is the wife of your Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter. But Allah has put you to test whether you obey Him (Allah) or her ('Aisha)."

 

Now you can debate all you like of how the Prophet (saw) supposedly loved her, yet Allah (swt) sent verses down to condemn her and she lied to the Prophet (saw) and she hated Imam Ali (as). If you want evidences to each of them I would be glad to help.

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On 10/15/2016 at 6:03 AM, Abu_Rumaysah said:

It was narrated that Muhammad ibn `Urayb said:

A man stood up and mentioned `A’ishah radiya Llahu `anha in `Ali’s radiya Llahu `anhu presence. `Ammar radiya Llahu `anhu came and said: “Who is this man who is reviling the wife of our Rasul? Shut up! You ugly, obnoxious and blameworthy man! [Fada’il al-Ṣahabah, 2/110]

According to another report, he said:

Get lost, you ugly man, do you insult the beloved of the Rasul of Allah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam? [Siyar A`lam al-Nubala’, 2/179; a reliable hadith, according to al-Dhahabi.

Let us see what Imam Zuhri, one of the main narrators of Saheeh Sitah, did when he found a man insulting Hazrat Aisha. For those who don't know who Zuhari was, let me quote what Dhahabi says about Zuhri:

محمد بن مسلم بن عبيد الله بن عبد الله بن شهاب بن عبد الله بن الحارث بن زهرة بن كلاب بن مرة بن كعب بن لؤي بن غالب ، الإمام العلم ، حافظ زمانه
Imam of Knowledge and Hafiz of His era. 

أحد الأئمة الأعلام، وعالم أهل الحجاز والشام

One of the great Imams, and Scholar of People of Hijaz and Syria

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?ID=866&bk_no=60&flag=1

 

Ibn Hajar called him: Scholar of Fiqh, Hafiz, People have agreed on his greatness and piety

الفقيه الحافظ متفق على جلالته وإتقانه

http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7272

 

Now, let's see what Sunni scholar Imam Zuhri said to a person who insulted hazrat Aisha:

Abdur Razzaq mentioning in his al Musanif, 11/433:

(20926) – أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن الزهري قال: كنت عند الوليد بن عبد الملك، فكأنه تناول عائشة، فقلت له: يا أمير المؤمنين!
ألا أحدثك عن رجل من أهل الشام كان قد أوتي حكمة؟ قال: من هو؟
قلت: هو أبو مسلم الخولاني، وسمع أهل الشام كأنهم يتناولون من عائشة، فقال: أخبركم بمثلكم ومثل أمكم هذه، كمثل عينين (1) في رأس تؤذيان صاحبهما، ولا يستطيع أن يعاقبهما إلا بالذي هو خير لهما، قال: فسكت.
قال الزهري: أخبرنيه أبو إدريس عنه أبي مسلم الخولاني.

al Zuhri narrates that he was with Al Walid bin Abdul Mulk, and he was insulting Aisha. So he (Zuhri) said:

"O Ameer ul Momineen! Should I not tell you about a man from Syria who had wisdom? He said: Who is He? Zuhri said: He is Abu Muslim al Kholani. He heard People of Syria insulting Ayesha, so He said: Let me inform you that your example and that of your mother is like eyes in head who are hurting their owner, but he cannot do anything with them except with betterment. Zuhri said: He (Al Walid bin Abdul Mulk) kept quiet."

All narrators of this narration are trustworthy.

I ask my Sunni brother Abu_Rumaysah this question: Imam Zuhri tried to make al walid see sense by using example but what would you call this attitude of YOUR highly respected imam who called the one insulting Aisha as Ameer ul Momineen? Keep in mind that the narration is not telling us anything about Al Walid repenting on this, he just kept quiet.

Secondly, Ammar himself said Hazrat aisha is going against Allah. Isn't the following narration below an insult to Hazrat Aisha?

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ آدَمَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ عَيَّاشٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو حَصِينٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مَرْيَمَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ زِيَادٍ الأَسَدِيُّ، قَالَ لَمَّا سَارَ طَلْحَةُ وَالزُّبَيْرُ وَعَائِشَةُ إِلَى الْبَصْرَةِ بَعَثَ عَلِيٌّ عَمَّارَ بْنَ يَاسِرٍ وَحَسَنَ بْنَ عَلِيٍّ، فَقَدِمَا عَلَيْنَا الْكُوفَةَ فَصَعِدَا الْمِنْبَرَ، فَكَانَ الْحَسَنُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ فَوْقَ الْمِنْبَرِ فِي أَعْلاَهُ، وَقَامَ عَمَّارٌ أَسْفَلَ مِنَ الْحَسَنِ، فَاجْتَمَعْنَا إِلَيْهِ فَسَمِعْتُ عَمَّارًا يَقُولُ إِنَّ عَائِشَةَ قَدْ سَارَتْ إِلَى الْبَصْرَةِ، وَوَاللَّهِ إِنَّهَا لَزَوْجَةُ نَبِيِّكُمْ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالآخِرَةِ، وَلَكِنَّ اللَّهَ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى ابْتَلاَكُمْ، لِيَعْلَمَ إِيَّاهُ تُطِيعُونَ أَمْ هِيَ‏.

When Talha, Al Zubair and Aisha moved to Basra, Ali sent Ammar bin Yasir and Hasan bin Ali who came to us at Kufa and ascended the pulpit. Al-Hasan bin Ali was at the top of the pulpit and Ammar was below Al-Hasan. We all gathered before him. I heard Ammar saying, "Aisha has moved to Al-Busra. By Allah! She is the wife of your Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter. But Allah has put you to test whether you obey Him (Allah) or her (Aisha).

Sahih Bukhari

 

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