Gender ROLES

[Shia.a]

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treat women like trash. who else agrees?

[yusur317]

On 9/17/2016 at 6:56 PM, Shia.a said:

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treat women like trash. who else agrees?

Salam, 

I don't think islam is used to justify abuse, because it can't be. Everything has its tafsir, including the verse speaking of "beating" one's wife. What causes the abuse is mostly cultural perception of gender "roles". These can date back to the ignorant times. People (not just men) manipulate these laws to fit their cultural expectations. 

If you'd like to start a discussion, it might help if you elaborate on what you mean exactly

 

[Haydar Husayn]

40 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treat women like trash. who else agrees?

Care to give some examples?

[zainabamy]

38 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treat women like trash. who else agrees?

Ws,

A true follower of Islam would never treat a woman like trash.

. Islam recognised women as human beings with souls when other religions were still debating this fact.

. Islam gave women the right to be treated with dignity, not to be harmed, sold or oppressed by anyone.

. Islam gave women the right to be protected and cared for by their family and their husbands.

. Islam gave women the right to an education, to be part of society, to work, to keep her own money and to inherit.

Anyone who rejects this has gone far from the path of Islam and followers the path of Satan (la).

[ShiaMan14]

50 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treat women like trash. who else agrees?

welcome to the world sister. We live in male-dominated society worldwide.

The problem is not Islam, its men.

[Haimi]

1 hour ago, shiaman14 said:

welcome to the world sister. We live in male-dominated society worldwide.

The problem is not Islam, its men.

Assalam.

The problem is women themselves Many times.

Imam Khomeini r.a has a hadith about men and women, read it Enshallah.

Also the book of Shahid Mutahhari r.a, : women in islam.

Wassalam.

[ShiaMan14]

7 minutes ago, Haimi said:

Assalam.

The problem is women themselves Many times.

Imam Khomeini r.a has a hadith about men and women, read it Enshallah.

Also the book of Shahid Mutahhari r.a, : women in islam.

Wassalam.

It's the fault of women that men abuse them? Really?

I will let sisters answer this one.

[Haimi]

21 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

It's the fault of women that men abuse them? Really?

I will let sisters answer this one.

Not always and in some cases ethics men says, yes

The Hadith: it's from the women's skirt, men goes to the ancestor.

Plus whay do you think we've one infallible woman named hazrat zahra a.s? And why the rest are her children, husband or father?

Plus why we've so many hadith about the prophet saww that he says: Fatima s.a is my mother not only the daughter? What's the secret behind this?

Why Hadith al-kisa is important? Why? Did we ask ourselves these question?

Why it's women who born children's not the men?

How Fatima s.a was born? What's the story? What she ate and why?

Who actually ate the Apple and how/why? Why Adam's son wasn't good like his father a.s? Why the other one was cruel?

 

Edited September 18, 2016 by Haimi

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Shia.a said:

who else agrees?

I DO. 

3 hours ago, Haydar Husayn said:

Care to give some examples?

My ex was a 'religious' person.

Getting permission to leave the house to see my widowed mother was a feat, every single time.It needed weeks of begging before I would get permission to go see her over a weekend. Even then , he made it a point to make it as unpleasant and difficult for me as possible.By the time I would reach my Mum's place my eyes would be swollen and red due to hours of crying.  I was that 'disobedient woman who left the house without his husband's permission and the angels would be sending lanah on me with every step I took'. 

He was the stingiest person I have ever come across in my life and he chose islam to justify it. Our living space was totally unfurnished except for a old bed passed on to us by his relatives, he refused to buy furniture or any other household item, here I mean the necessary ones. We did not have any curtains on the windows, instead he told me to hang old bed sheets (again passed down from relatives), my 'crockery' was few mismatched plates which I refused to use and bought some with my own money since the corners were badly chipped and broken and it would be unhygienic to eat from them.I wasn't allowed room heating or hot water not even when we had sub zero temperatures in winters and our daughter had a bad respiratory infection .Every time I asked him to get anything that I needed, even tupperware, his would fire back at me saying: Did Hazrat Ali as and Bibi Fatima as had X in their house? If a household without tupperware/curtains/bed/room heater/water heater was good enough for them why isn't it good enough for you?

Do even get me started on the beating verse........ 

 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Haimi said:

The problem is women themselves Many times.

Haimi, Islam does not allow abuse.period. 

 If a wife is that much of a 'problem' Islam tells you to part ways with her with kindness. 

[Haimi]

2 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

It's the fault of women that men abuse them? Really?

I will let sisters answer this one.

Don't let them, I fell really bad about this thread.

And sister @starlight

You got me wrong sister, otherwise I'm  proud to my sisters and my mother.

Anyway 

Edited September 18, 2016 by Haimi

[certainclarity]

5 hours ago, starlight said:

I DO. 

My ex was a 'religious' person.

Getting permission to leave the house to see my widowed mother was a feat, every single time.It needed weeks of begging before I would get permission to go see her over a weekend. Even then , he made it a point to make it as unpleasant and difficult for me as possible.By the time I would reach my Mum's place my eyes would be swollen and red due to hours of crying.  I was that 'disobedient woman who left the house without his husband's permission and the angels would be sending lanah on me with every step I took'. 

He was the stingiest person I have ever come across in my life and he chose islam to justify it. Our living space was totally unfurnished except for a old bed passed on to us by his relatives, he refused to buy furniture or any other household item, here I mean the necessary ones. We did not have any curtains on the windows, instead he told me to hang old bed sheets (again passed down from relatives), my 'crockery' was few mismatched plates which I refused to use and bought some with my own money since the corners were badly chipped and broken and it would be unhygienic to eat from them.I wasn't allowed room heating or hot water not even when we had sub zero temperatures in winters and our daughter had a bad respiratory infection .Every time I asked him to get anything that I needed, even tupperware, his would fire back at me saying: Did Hazrat Ali as and Bibi Fatima as had X in their house? If a household without tupperware/curtains/bed/room heater/water heater was good enough for them why isn't it good enough for you?

Do even get me started on the beating verse........ 

 

 

Sorry to hear this. Your ex had his own religion .

[certainclarity]

10 hours ago, Shia.a said:

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treat women like trash. who else agrees?

There is nothing such as old Islam. People come up with there twisted ideas and contaminate Islam .

The role model of treating women are the ahlul bayt not men who call themselves Muslims/ Shias.

[Shia.a]

Yes, I am talking about things that happened to Starlight. Such cruelty. Your ex sounds disgusting @starlight and if Islam came out in 2016, I dont think it would say "women must cook and clean and cannot leave without her husbands permission." Women are now policeman, politicians, they gave BIRTH to you. They arent just your maids. And stop giving her even less rights and then say "Well Islam says you cant have a job eithout my permission" Oh-and you know what REALLY grinds my gears? Men marrying four wives. 

Edited September 18, 2016 by Shia.a

[Haydar Husayn]

4 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

Yes, I am talking about things that happened to Starlight. Such cruelty. Your ex sounds disgusting @starlight and if Islam came out in 2016, I dont think it would say "women must cook and clean and cannot leave without her husbands permission." Women are now policeman, politicians, they gave BIRTH to you. They arent just your maids. And stop giving her even less rights and then say "Well Islam says you cant have a job eithout my permission" Oh-and you know what REALLY grinds my gears? Men marrying four wives. 

Islam doesn't, and never did, say that women must cook and clean (or be their husband's maid). But yes, it does say that women need the husband's permission (at least tacitly) to leave the house. I don't see why that would be any different if Islam was revealed now. If anything, there are even more dangers for women now than there were then. Having said that, any good law can be ruined by abuse, which sounds like what starlight's husband was doing. Generally, I think it's best to agree on these types of things before getting married (although it's understandable that most women don't imagine that it would be an issue).

As for the four wives thing, maybe people would be more understanding of it if they remembered that Islam is meant for all times and all places, and not just the 21st century western (or westernised) world. Most men have no desire to have four wives, and even if they did, most couldn't afford more than one. Some people act like every other Muslim man is practicing polygamy.

[Shia.a]

3 hours ago, Haydar Husayn said:

 

Its 2016. People need to stop using old islam to treattre trash. who else agrees?

 

 

3 hours ago, Haydar Husayn said:

Islam doesn't, and never did, say that women must cook and clean (or be their husband's maid). But yes, it does say that women need the husband's permission (at least tacitly) to leave the house. I don't see why that would be any different if Islam was revealed now. If anything, there are even more dangers for women now than there were then. Having said that, any good law can be ruined by abuse, which sounds like what starlight's husband was doing. Generally, I think it's best to agree on these types of things before getting married (although it's understandable that most women don't imagine that it would be an issue).

As for the four wives thing, maybe people would be more understanding of it if they remembered that Islam is meant for all times and all places, and not just the 21st century western (or westernised) world. Most men have no desire to have four wives, and even if they did, most couldn't afford more than one. Some people act like every other Muslim man is practicing polygamy.

Oh, I get it now. I'm sorry. I didn't know women are too weak to take care of themselves. I didnt know women couldnt leave the house without her husbands permission, since you know, husbands know everything. For a second there I almost thought women were, strong independent and dont need to depend on a man. My bad. I almost thought women are equal. I understand now. I cannot wait to get an education and become a doctor just to find out I can only leave the house by the rules of another man. May god curse me for all the times I went to work and made MY OWN money. but hey-at least I can repent. Men are wise. Sorry for being so selfish.

sincerly,

us spoiled women.

 

Edited September 18, 2016 by Shia.a
wasnt finished

[notme]

People who are evil will be evil in spite of religion. That doesn't make the religion evil.

A woman whose husband won't let her visit family or go out for her needs definitely has grounds to complain. So would a man whose wife just wants to spend up all his provision without appreciation. 

The Quran says your spouse is your garment - nothing is closer to you. They protect and comfort you and conceal your flaws from the public. If they aren't doing that they will be answerable on the day of judgement.

[Soldiers and Saffron]

You need to calm down, whats up with all this angry sarcasm? .

Please some mod move to thread from this sub forum, I do not think its befitting.

Also, can someone define to me what "old islam" exactly is? I thought there was only 1 islam.

[Haydar Husayn]

Just now, Shia.a said:

 

Oh, I get it now. I'm sorry. I didn't know women are too weak to take care of themselves. I didnt know women couldnt leave the house without her husbands permission, since you know, husbands know everything. For a second there I almost thought women were, strong independent and dont need to depend on a man. My bad. I almost thought women are equal. I understand now. I cannot wait to get an education and become a doctor just to find out I can only leave the house by the rules of another man.

I don't know which world you live in, but in the world I live in, men are on average stronger than women, and some unfortunately take advantage of that to abuse women in various ways. There is such a thing as sexual assault and rape. And these are crimes that are very difficult to prosecute, You can go around telling yourself how strong and independent you are as much as you want, but at the end of the day, that isn't going to be much consolation if something bad happens. And statistically, bad things happen to a lot of women. The secular approach to all of this seems to be to keep telling women that they are strong and independent, and can do whatever a man can do. It tells them that they can put themselves in compromising positions without fear, because 'no means no'. And then if something bad happens, they find it outrageous that nothing can be done about it because it ultimately boils down to one person's word against the other. Islam's approach is one of prevention. Rather than having a delusional view of the world, it has a realistic one. Aside from any physical dangers, there are also the spiritual ones of men and women freely mixing without need. But I don't get the feeling you would see that as an issue anyway.

Aside from that, Islam is a patriarchal religion, as the Qur'an makes clear. I know 'patriarchy' is a dirty word nowadays, in the feminist-inspired world, but I don't see much evidence that we are any better off without it. Every animal species has a societal structure that allocates different roles to males and females, so I don't see why humans should be any different. When you look at the things that those who hate the patriarchal system promote, you won't find much that fits in with anyone's understanding of Islam.

[Shia.a]

2 minutes ago, Haydar Husayn said:

I don't know which world you live in, but in the world I live in, men are on average stronger than women, and some unfortunately take advantage of that to abuse women in various ways. There is such a thing as sexual assault and rape. And these are crimes that are very difficult to prosecute, You can go around telling yourself how strong and independent you are as much as you want, but at the end of the day, that isn't going to be much consolation if something bad happens. And statistically, bad things happen to a lot of women. The secular approach to all of this seems to be to keep telling women that they are strong and independent, and can do whatever a man can do. It tells them that they can put themselves in compromising positions without fear, because 'no means no'. And then if something bad happens, they find it outrageous that nothing can be done about it because it ultimately boils down to one person's word against the other. Islam's approach is one of prevention. Rather than having a delusional view of the world, it has a realistic one. Aside from any physical dangers, there are also the spiritual ones of men and women freely mixing without need. But I don't get the feeling you would see that as an issue anyway.

Aside from that, Islam is a patriarchal religion, as the Qur'an makes clear. I know 'patriarchy' is a dirty word nowadays, in the feminist-inspired world, but I don't see much evidence that we are any better off without it. Every animal species has a societal structure that allocates different roles to males and females, so I don't see why humans should be any different. When you look at the things that those who hate the patriarchal system promote, you won't find much that fits in with anyone's understanding of Islam.

Men get raped and abused too. Lets be realistic. Whats wrong with a confident woman? You make it seen like women are weak, when in fact we have women in the army and women who control business. Some are even smarter. Patriarchy is opression. Women are allowed to have the same jobs as men.

[Shia.a]

And by gender roles, I meant like if a girl acts as a boy and a boy acts as a girl. If a girl doesnt want to wear skirts or makeup, men have no right to say "Islam says you need to look good for your husband." Let her relax and wear sweatpants and watch netflix sometimes. And if a boy wants to be emotional, so what? Women have no place in telling a guy he is weak, just like guys dont tell women they belong in the kitchen.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Shia.a

[Haydar Husayn]

3 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

Men get raped and abused too. Lets be realistic. Whats wrong with a confident woman? You make it seen like women are weak, when in fact we have women in the army and women who control business. Some are even smarter. Patriarchy is opression. Women are allowed to have the same jobs as men.

All I am seeing here are standard slogans being trotted out, with zero critical examination. Just because 'we' do something, it doesn't make it a good idea. Yes, 'we' have women in the army, but do you think that would be the case if warfare was still mostly hand-to-hand combat? Do you think it would be a good idea to have women perform that role?

It's true that men get raped and abused too, but women are by far the most frequent victims. Are you going to deny that men are on average stronger than women, and are likely to suffer abuse?

Nobody said there is anything wrong with a confident woman, but confidence isn't a weapon that saves you from abuse. Neither did anyone say that women can't be smarter than their husbands. But that's besides the point. You can be smarter than your boss, but you still have to follow the boss' instructions. Men aren't in charge because they are smarter, but because that is the responsibility given to them by Allah, who in His wisdom decided that this would be the best structure for humans to live under.

Let me point out that since the West has adopted many of the precepts of feminism, there has been a complete breakdown in the family structure, a loss of sexual morality, as well as respect for authority. This has had widespread repercussions for society. This isn't coincidental, because feminists have always seen the family as the building block of the patriarchy. They hate it, and have always wanted to destroy it.

[Haydar Husayn]

16 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

And by gender roles, I meant like if a girl acts as a boy and a boy acts as a girl. If a girl doesnt want to wear skirts or makeup, men have no right to say "Islam says you need to look good for your husband." Let her relax and wear sweatpants and watch netflix sometimes. And if a boy wants to be emotional, so what? Women have no place in telling a guy he is weak, just like guys dont tell women they belong in the kitchen.

No offense, but I don't think you are speaking about any of this from the perspective of someone who has any first-hand experience. It wasn't so long ago that you were making threads about 'dabbing', so maybe wait a while before lecturing the rest of us about what Islam says about marriage, and how that actually works out in practice.

[Shia.a]

33 minutes ago, Haydar Husayn said:

All I am seeing here are standard slogans being trotted out, with zero critical examination. Just because 'we' do something, it doesn't make it a good idea. Yes, 'we' have women in the army, but do you think that would be the case if warfare was still mostly hand-to-hand combat? Do you think it would be a good idea to have women perform that role?

It's true that men get raped and abused too, but women are by far the most frequent victims. Are you going to deny that men are on average stronger than women, and are likely to suffer abuse?

Nobody said there is anything wrong with a confident woman, but confidence isn't a weapon that saves you from abuse. Neither did anyone say that women can't be smarter than their husbands. But that's besides the point. You can be smarter than your boss, but you still have to follow the boss' instructions. Men aren't in charge because they are smarter, but because that is the responsibility given to them by Allah, who in His wisdom decided that this would be the best structure for humans to live under.

Let me point out that since the West has adopted many of the precepts of feminism, there has been a complete breakdown in the family structure, a loss of sexual morality, as well as respect for authority. This has had widespread repercussions for society. This isn't coincidental, because feminists have always seen the family as the building block of the patriarchy. They hate it, and have always wanted to destroy it.

thats the point. its 2016. it is not hand to hand combat anymore. Women can fight. Armies have developed. No man will be in charge of me. I know my rights. Thats complete sickness. IT IS 2016. almost EVERYTHING changed. Where I live, its illegal to make the women listen to you especially when leaving the house. Times have changed. women have more rights now, yet here we see these smart men trying to deny the rights and calling it islamic protection. 

[notme]

5 minutes ago, Shia.a said:

thats the point. its 2016. it is not hand to hand combat anymore. Women can fight. Armies have developed. No man will be in charge of me. I know my rights. Thats complete sickness. IT IS 2016. almost EVERYTHING changed. Where I live, its illegal to make the women listen to you especially when leaving the house. Times have changed. women have more rights now, yet here we see these smart men trying to deny the rights and calling it islamic protection. 

No, you missed the point. Yes, a husband has a right to require his wife to inform him where she is going and stop her if he feels it is necessary, but he does not have the right to oppress or enslave her. A man bossing a woman around and lording his authority over her is not following Islam. A man (or anyone) being abusive has nothing to do with Islam. Islamic marriage is an agreement between equals, who agree to support and protect each other in whatever way they are able.

Edited September 18, 2016 by notme

[Haydar Husayn]

Just now, Shia.a said:

thats the point. its 2016. it is not hand to hand combat anymore. Women can fight. Armies have developed. No man will be in charge of me. I know my rights. Thats complete sickness. IT IS 2016. almost EVERYTHING changed. Where I live, its illegal to make the women listen to you especially when leaving the house. Times have changed. women have more rights now, yet here we see these smart men trying to deny the rights and calling it islamic protection. 

Please explain to me the relationship between the passing of time and the improvement of moral codes. I never understand why people state what year (or century) it is as if that's an argument. The Middle Ages came later than Classical Antiquity, but most Westerners generally tend to think Western civilization was more enlightened during Classical Antiquity (hence the Renaissance).

Anyway, as for the 'no man will be in charge of me' attitude, that has always been around, and isn't modern. There is a hadith that quotes a woman reacting in the same way when the Prophet (s) explained these things to her.

[Sawa]

Salam,

I think societies evolve. A lot of religions have changed their view on gender roles and have come to evolve with the times. Like the Mormons once allowed polygamy but they eventually banned it, traditional christian societies once did not allow women to work or hold any position of power but that too changed.  I think Islam can change with the times as a lot of faiths have done. Also, how will getting the approval of a man when going out stop sexual abuse ? and in today's age if you fear sexual abuse you can buy a taser or peeper spray or even a gun if you live in the US, physical strength matter little in self defense. 

[Haydar Husayn]

13 minutes ago, Sawa said:

Salam,

I think societies evolve. A lot of religions have changed their view on gender roles and have come to evolve with the times.

They didn't 'evolve with the times', as if there is some 'moral evolution' going on. They caved in to the prevailing norms of the wider culture.

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Like the Mormons once allowed polygamy but they eventually banned it,

Not all Mormons have banned it, and the reasons the others banned it had nothing to do with 'evolution'. They simply wanted to be accepted by the rest of society. Not to mention that polygamy was (and still is) illegal in the United States.

 

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traditional christian societies once did not allow women to work or hold any position of power but that too changed.  

Which Christian societies didn't allow women to work or hold positions of power?

 

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I think Islam can change with the times as a lot of faiths have done.

What does change mean? Going from believing something is commanded by God and that we should follow it, to believing that we can pick and choose what we want to follow, and that in any case God hasn't really communicated anything to us anyway? I'd rather pass on that kind of 'change'.

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Also, how will getting the approval of a man when going out stop sexual abuse ? and in today's age if you fear sexual abuse you can buy a taser or peeper spray or even a gun if you live in the US, physical strength matter little in self defense. 

Physical strength matters little in self-defence? Huh? Trust me, even if there is a massive skill difference between a woman and a man, a big strength and size difference would still make any confrontation extremely dangerous for a woman. As for believing that a weapon of some sort makes a woman safe, I think that type of attitude can be extremely dangerous. Of course, it could be helpful in a worse-case scenario, but you really don't want to be in that situation.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Haydar Husayn

[Sister Shia]

Marja can make time specific fatwas. ie like making buying cigarettes was made haram during the Iranian tobacco boycott.

[notme]

3 hours ago, Sawa said:

Salam,

I think societies evolve. A lot of religions have changed their view on gender roles and have come to evolve with the times. Like the Mormons once allowed polygamy but they eventually banned it, traditional christian societies once did not allow women to work or hold any position of power but that too changed.  I think Islam can change with the times as a lot of faiths have done. Also, how will getting the approval of a man when going out stop sexual abuse ? and in today's age if you fear sexual abuse you can buy a taser or peeper spray or even a gun if you live in the US, physical strength matter little in self defense. 

Mormonism changed its rules on polygamy because it was a requirement for Utah to be accepted into the United States.

Christianity doesn't change. People who follow it do. Have you ever heard of "Proverbs 31"? It describes an "ideal" woman, and churches love to preach on it. This "Proverbs 31 woman" works from before sunup to after sundown, earning money so her husband can sit around at the city gates and brag about her to other men. Meanwhile, all her earnings belong to him. Is that what you want? 

 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

6 hours ago, Sawa said:

Salam,

I think societies evolve. A lot of religions have changed their view on gender roles and have come to evolve with the times. Like the Mormons once allowed polygamy but they eventually banned it, traditional christian societies once did not allow women to work or hold any position of power but that too changed.  I think Islam can change with the times as a lot of faiths have done.  

What you are saying is very dangerous things, you do not realize right now what you are saying but if you would study more about your religion and more about the nature of Allah(SWT) more about the nature of humans, you would realize just how incorrect what your saying is.

This kind of "islam needs to change to the modern society" thinking is something I hear from two groups: People who hate islam or people who severely lack knowledge of islam, so they do not really know what islam says and what islam is.

Just let me take this time and quote you real quick:

On 8/18/2016 at 3:27 PM, Sawa said:

I am a Muslim (not shia or sunni to tell the truth I am neglectful in my religion and I have a lot of non Muslim friends here in the DMV area.

 

If you study islam for real you will see just how perfect it is in all times, not just in the past but in the present and the future as well. Although our surroundings change, our cars, our houses, our electronics, etc, etc, we humans do not change and we have the same desires and wishes as we had 1000 years ago and so, because islam is FOR humans and the human nature does not change, islam is timeless.

 

[yasahebalzaman.313]

@Shia.a What is the problem exactly? I would like to share something with you. I used to be a christian woman who used to think just like you, i would curse islam because I USED TO THINK it votes for sexual inequality, and i was even AGAINST marriage because i wouldn't want to marry a christian man that will eventually cheats over me, who will have mistresses or simply just go to a nightclub. I even hated the nature of men.

Then I was introduced to Islam and to ahlulbayt(as), and everything changed, my whole life and mentality. Suddenly everything made sense, because a MAN OF GOD would Never hurt his women in any way.

When a women will marry a man whom she doesnt know quite well, doesnt know how Sick he is, and who doesnt know the level his commitment and faith, then it's Her fault. Because The second she decided to marry him she decided indirectly to trust his judgment and everything he says, it became her responsibility.

When God(azwj) gave men this Superiority over women in certain things He knew what He was doing. It is Allah eventually and we shouldn't doubt 1 second his judgment.

These creatures you are talking about are what we call immature Boys, they are not even close to immature Men.

A religious man would advise his women for her own sake for her own after life, a sick mentally ill boy would advise his women for his own sake and benefit, a religious man would treat his lady like imam ali used to treat sayeda fatima... matter fact sayeda fatima is the perfect example of how much strong women can be.

Now it took me almost 1 and a half year to reach and understand this mentality, ofcourse i was studying islam and the teachings of ahlulbayt(as) meanwhile. If i were to follow this islam humans created i would never ever had converted. So please do yourself a favor and get to know a bit more your religion? for your own peace of mind and soul.

 

[yasahebalzaman.313]

@Shia.a Ponder upon this idea for a second please: If a women would choose this type of men, which would be a horrible choice and not Smart at all, then she wouldnt be so wise and clever to choose other stuff for herself no?

[ShiaMan14]

I think @Shia.a and a lot of others confuse Islam and Muslim.

Islam gives women all the rights and protections required.

Muslim (men) on the other hand like all other men try to dominate their women. It happens all over the world.

So at the risk of sounding redundant - the problem is men, not Islam.

And no brother @Haimi - the problem is not women and their skirts.

[Haimi]

3 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

And no brother @Haimi - the problem is not women and their skirts.

Then tell that to imam Khomeini r.a