Birth or Existence of 12th Imam

[Fahad Sani 0]

 

Kulayni in his book Usool e Kafi vol-2, Ch#125 Birth of Sahib, collected 31 narrations. As per research of Allama Majlisi in Mirat ul Uqul vol-6, P-170 onwards: Out of those 31 narrations only 8 (No.4,8,15,20,24,25,29,31) are saheeh, rest all are weak/unknown and unreliable. But, none of those 8 narrations mention anything about birth. They talk about other issues. According to Allama Behbudi in Sahi al-Kafi, Ch#1, Birth of Sahib, only 2 narrations are saheeh, 9th & 24th. In both these narrations there is no words on birth.

Allama Majlisi in Bihar ul Anwar vol-51, P-2 to 28, compiled about 40 narrations after collecting them from all previous shia books. But, how many of them are saheeh? Shaikh Asif muhsini in Mashraat Bihar ul Anwar vol-2, P-208, Ch: His birth and status of his mother, said: none of them is saheeh, all are zaeef & majhool.

This is what the top shia scholars have said about the birth of 12th Imam. Not a single report on his birth is saheeh from any of the shia books.

Moreover...

1. The reports are not in agreement specifying the day, month and year of his birth.
Shaikh Mufeed said in book 'Al-Fusul al-Mukhtarah' p.114: He was born on the 15th of Shaban 255H. On p.258 said: He was born in the year 252 A.H.
Sheikh Saduq, said in 'Ikmal al- Din': His birth was on 8th Shaban 256 A. H. Ref: 'Al- Fusul al-Mukhtarah' p.432.
Sheikh Tusi says in 'Al- Ghaybah'p.141 that: He was born in the 15th of Ramadan and in another report said he was born in the 15th of Shaban 255 A. H.

2. Reports also differed on his age at the time of the death of his father, between 2 and 8 years.

3. They also differed on the manner of pregnancy, whether in the womb or by the side.

4. They also differed on his complexion between being white or brownish.

5. The reports were inconsistent on the manner of his growth, being normal or fast.

6. They also diffred regarding the concealment of his affairs. i.e what happend to him after his father's death.

7. Some reports says that he was at fear of being arrasted, other say he was totally at peace.

8. Also Reports telling the story of his birth like report of hakeema, umairi etc all are weak, unknown & fabrications.

There is nothing in agreement regarding his existence. It looks like the story and charactor of 12th Imam was scripted by many individuals.

 

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[Qa'im 11,143]

31 minutes ago, Fahad Sani said:

Kulayni in his book Usool e Kafi vol-2, Ch#125 Birth of Sahib, collected 31 narrations. As per research of Allama Majlisi in Mirat ul Uqul vol-6, P-170 onwards: Out of those 31 narrations only 8 (No.4,8,15,20,24,25,29,31) are saheeh, rest all are weak/unknown and unreliable. But, none of those 8 narrations mention anything about birth. They talk about other issues. According to Allama Behbudi in Sahi al-Kafi, Ch#1, Birth of Sahib, only 2 narrations are saheeh, 9th & 24th. In both these narrations there is no words on birth.

Clearly, some of the ahadith in this example are strong by rijali standards, and many are not bad in their isnad. By the way, the "weaknesses" of these chains are majaheel, not dhu`afa'. Someone is just "majhool" when they do not have an explicit tawtheeq (strengthening) or tad`eef (weakning). Still, Kulayni and his companions trusted these people, and he was a scholar and an author of a rijal book. In any case, this isn't in the context of singular reports, it is in the context of a multiplicity of narrations from different witnesses, books, documents, etc. with the same basic signification and underlying point, even if some of the narrators are "majhool".

Rijal should not be the end-all be-all determining factor of historical certainties. Were that the case, you can throw out most of human history, including much of Muslim history.

Still, even if you use rijal to sift through the hadiths on the birth of the twelfth Imam, you end up with this:

There are twelve Imams

حدثنا محمد بن زياد بن جعفر الهمداني رضي الله عنه قال حدثنا علي بن إبراهيم بن هاشم عن أبيه عن محمد بن أبي عمير عن غياث بن إبراهيم عن الصادق جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه محمد بن علي عن أبيه علي بن الحسين عن أبيه الحسين بن علي ع قال سئل أمير المؤمنين ص عن معنى قول رسول الله ص إني مخلف فيكم الثقلين كتاب الله و عترتي من العترة فقال أنا و الحسن و الحسين و الأئمة التسعة من ولد الحسين تاسعهم مهديهم و قائمهم لا يفارقون كتاب الله و لا يفارقهم حتى يردوا على رسول الله ص حوضه

 

Muhammad b. Ziyad b. Ja`far al-Hamadani رضي الله عنه from him from `Ali b. Ibrahim b. Hashim from his father from Muhammad b. Abi `Umayr from Ghiyath b. Ibrahim[1] from al-Sadiq Ja`far b. Muhammad from his father Muhammad b. `Ali from his father `Ali b. al-Husayn from his father al-Husayn b. `Ali عليه السلام.

He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen صلوات اللّه عليه was asked about the meaning of the Messenger of Allah’s صلى الله عليه وآله words, “I am leaving among you two weighty things, the Book of Allah and my progeny”. Who, then, are the progeny? So he said: I, Hasan, Husayn and the nine Imams from the children of Husayn and the ninth from them is the Qa’im and the Mahdi, and they will not separate from the Book of Allah until they reach the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله at the Pond. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(sahih) (صحيح)

 

حدثنا أبي رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا علي بن إبراهيم بن هاشم، عن أبيه، عن محمد بن أبي عمير. عن سعيد بن غزوان، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام قال: يكون تسعة أئمة بعد الحسين بن علي تاسعهم قائمهم عليهم السلام.

 

My father رضي الله عنه narrated. `Ali b. Ibrahim b. Hashim narrated from his father from Muhammad b. Abi `Umayr from Sa`eed b. Ghazwan[2] from Abu Baseer from Abu Ja`farعليه السلام.

He said: There will be nine Imams after Husayn b. `Ali, and the ninth of them will be their Qa’im عليهم السلام. (al-Khisal)

(majhool kal-sahih) (مجهول كالصحيح)

 

حَدَّثَنا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ يَحْيَى العَطَّار قالَ: حَدَّثَنا أَبي، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الجَبَّارِ، عَنْ أَبي أَحْمَدَ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ زِيادٍ الأَزْدِيِّ، عَنْ أَبانِ بْنِ عُثْمانَ، عَنْ ثابِتِ بْنِ دِينارٍ، عَنْ سَيِّدِ العابِدِينَ عَلِىِّ بْنِ الحُسَيْنِ، عَنْ سَيِّدِ الشُّهَداءِ الحُسَيْنِ بْنِ عَلِىٍّ، عَنْ سَيِّد الأَوْصِياءِ أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلِىِّ بْنِ أَبي طالِب‏ عَلَيْهِمُ السَّلاَمُ قالَ: قالَ لي‏ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ‏ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ: الأَئِمَّةُ مِنْ بَعْدي اثْنا عَشَرَ أَوَّلُهُم أَنْتَ يا عَلِيُّ، وَآخِرُهُمْ القائِمُ الَّذِي يَفْتَحُ اللَّه – تَبارَكَ وَتَعالى‏ ذِكْرُهُ – عَلَى يَدَيْهِ مَشارِقَ الأَرْضِ وَمَغارِبَها.

 

Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Yahya al-`Attar narrated. He said: My father narrated from Muhammad b. `Abd al-Jabbar from Abu Ahmad Muhammad b. Ziyad al-Azidi from Aban b. `Uthman from Thabit b. Dinar from the Master of Worshipers `Ali b. al-Husayn from the Master of Martyrs al-Husayn b. `Ali from the Master of Deputies Amir al-Mu’mineen `Ali b. Abi Talib عليهم السلام. He said:

The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله said to me: There are twelve Imams after me. The first of them is you, O `Ali; and the last of them is the Qa’im with whose hands Allah تَبارَكَ وَتَعالى‏ ذِكْرُهُ will conquer the Easts and Wests of the Earth. (Amali of Shaykh as-Saduq)

(majhool kal-sahih – Teacher of Saduq) (من مشايخ الصدوق - مجهول كالصحيح)

 

حدثنا علي بن عبد الله الوراق الرازي قال: حدثنا سعد بن - عبد الله قال: حدثنا الهيثم بن أبي مسروق النهدي، عن الحسين بن علوان، عن عمر ابن خالد، عن سعد بن طريف، عن الأصبغ بن نباته، عن عبد الله بن عباس قال: سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول: أنا وعلي والحسن والحسين وتسعة من ولد الحسين مطهرون معصومون

 

`Ali b. `Abdillah al-Warraq ar-Razi narrated. He said: Sa`d b. `Abdillah narrated. He said: al-Haytham b. Abi Masruq an-Nahdi narrated from al-Husayn b. `Ulwan[3] from `Umar b. Khalid from Sa`d b. Turayf from al-Asbagh b. Nubata from `Abdillah b. `Abbas.

He said: I heard the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله say: I, `Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husayn and nine from the loins of al-Husayn are purified and protected. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

حدثنا أحمد بن هارون الفامي (رضي الله عنه)، قال: حدثنا محمد بن عبد الله بن جعفر، عن أبيه، عن يعقوب بن يزيد الأنباري، قال: حدثنا الحسن بن علي ابن فضال، عن إسماعيل بن الفضل الهاشمي، عن الصادق جعفر بن محمد، عن أبيه محمد بن علي، عن أبيه علي بن الحسين، عن أبيه الحسين بن علي، عن أبيه أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب (عليهم السلام)، قال: قلت لرسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): أخبرني بعدد الأئمة بعدك. فقال: يا علي، هم اثنا عشر، أولهم أنت، وآخرهم القائم.

 

Ahmad b. Harun al-Fami[4] رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: Muhammad b. `Abdillah b. Ja`far narrated from his father from Ya`qub b. Yazid al-Anbari. He said: al-Hasan b. `Ali b. Faddal narrated from Isma`il b. al-Fadl al-Hashimi from as-Sadiq Ja`far b. Muhammad from his father Muhammad b. `Ali from his father `Ali b. al-Husayn from his father al-Husayn b. `Ali from his father Amir al-Mu’mineen `Ali b. Abi Talib عليهم السلام.

He said: I said to the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله: Inform me of the numbers of Imams after you. So he said: O `Ali, they are twelve, the first of them is you, and the last of them is the Qa’im. (Amali of Shaykh as-Saduq)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

محمد بن يحيى ، عن محمد بن الحسين ، عن ابن محبوب ، عن أبي الجارود ، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام عن جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري قال : دخلت على فاطمة عليها السلام وبين يديها لوح فيه أسماء الأوصياء من ولدها ، فعددت اثني عشر آخرهم القائم عليه السلام ، ثلاثة منهم محمد وثلاثة منهم علي

 

Muhammad b. Yahya from Muhammad b. al-Husayn from ibn Mahbub from Abu’l Jarud[5] from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام from Jabir b. `Abdullah al-Ansari.

He said: I entered upon Fatima عليها السلام and in her hands was a tablet with the names of the deputies (awsiya’) from her descendants. I counted twelve [in total], the last of whom was the Qa’im عليه السلام. Three of them [from her children] were Muhammad, and three[6] of them were `Ali. (al-Kafi)

(muwathaq) (موثق)

 

حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنه قال : حدثني محمد بن يحيى العطار ، وعبد الله بن جعفر الحميري ، عن محمد بن الحسين بن أبي الخطاب ، عن ابن محبوب عن أبي الجارود ، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام ، عن جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري قال : دخلت على فاطمة عليها السلام وبين يديها لوح فيه أسماء الأوصياء من ولدها فعددت اثني عشر آخرهم القائم ثلاثة منهم محمد ، وأربعة منهم علي صلوات الله عليهم أجمعين .

 

Muhammad b. Musa b. al-Mutawakkil رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: Muhammad b. Yahya al-`Attar and `Abdillah b. Jafar al-Himyari narrated from Muhammad b. al-Husayn b. Abu’l Khattab from ibn Mahbub from Abu’l Jarud from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام from Jabir b. `Abdullah al-Ansari.

He said: I entered upon Fatima عليها السلام and in front of her was a tablet with the names of the deputies (awsiya’) from her descendants. I counted twelve [in total], the last of whom was the Qa’im عليه السلام. Three of them were Muhammad, and four of them were `Ali. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(muwathaq) (موثق)

 

حدثنا الحسين بن أحمد بن إدريس رضي الله عنه قال : حدثنا أبي ، عن أحمد ابن محمد بن عيسى ، وإبراهيم بن هاشم جميعا ، عن الحسن بن محبوب ، عن أبي الجارود ، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام ، عن جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري قال : دخلت على فاطمة عليها السلام و بين يديها لوح فيه أسماء الأوصياء ، فعددت اثني عشر اسما آخرهم القائم ، ثلاثة منهم محمد ، وأربعة منهم علي صلوات الله عليهم ( أجمعين ) .

 

al-Husayn b. Ahmad b. Idris رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: My father narrated from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa and Ibrahim b. Hashim together from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Abu’l Jarud from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام from Jabir b. `Abdillah al-Ansari.

He said: I entered upon Fatima عليها السلام and in front of her was a tablet with the names of the deputies (awsiya’). I counted twelve names [in total], the last of whom was al-Qa’im. Three of them were Muhammad, and four of them were `Ali صلوات الله عليهم أجمعين. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

وأخبرنا أحمد بن محمد بن سعيد ابن عقدة الكوفي، قال: حدثنا يحيى بن زكريا ابن شيبان من كتابه سنة ثلاث وسبعين ومائتين، قال: حدثنا علي بن سيف بن عميرة، قال: حدثنا أبان بن عثمان، عن زرارة، عن أبي جعفر الباقر(عليه السلام) عن آبائه (عليهم السلام) قال: قال رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): إن من أهل بيتي اثنى عشر محدثا، فقال له رجل يقال له عبدالله بن زيد وكان أخا علي بن الحسين(عليهما السلام) من الرضاعة: سبحان الله محدثا؟ - كالمنكر لذلك – قال: فأقبل عليه أبوجعفر (عليه السلام) فقال له: أما والله إن ابن امك كان كذلك – يعني علي بن الحسين(عليهما السلام(

 

And Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Sa`eed b. `Uqda al-Kufi[7] narrated. He said: Yahya b. Zakariyya b. Shayban narrated in his book in the year 273 AH. He said: `Ali b. Sayf b. `Umayra narrated. He said: Aban b. `Uthman narrated from Zurara from Abu Ja`far al-Baqir عليه السلام from his forefathers عليهم السلام. He said:

The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله said: Verily, from my Ahl al-Bayt are twelve muhaddaths.[8] So a man named `Abdillah b. Zayd, who was the milk brother of `Ali b. al-Husayn عليهما السلام, said to him (i.e. Imam al-Baqir): May Allah be glorified, muhaddaths? – [he spoke] like a denier of that. He said: So Abu Ja`far عليه السلام addressed him and said to him: By Allah, verily the son of your mother was like that – meaning `Ali b. al-Husayn عليهما السلام [was a muhaddath]. (Nu`mani’s Ghayba)

(muwathaq) (موثق)

 

حدثنا غير واحد من أصحابنا قالوا : حدثنا أبو علي محمد بن همام قال :حدثنا عبد الله بن جعفر ، عن أحمد بن هلال ، عن محمد بن أبي عمير ، عن سعيد بن غزوان عن أبي بصير ، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام عن آبائه صلوات الله عليهم قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله : إن الله عز وجل اختار من الأيام الجمعة ، ومن الشهور شهر رمضان ، ومن الليالي ليلة القدر ، واختارني على جميع الأنبياء ، واختار مني عليا وفضله على جميع الأوصياء ، واختار من علي الحسن والحسين ، واختار من الحسين الأوصياء من ولده ، ينفون عن التنزيل تحريف الغالين وانتحال المبطلين وتأويل المضلين ، تاسعهم قائمهم و ( هو ) ظاهرهم وهو باطنهم .

 

More than one from our companions narrated. They said: Abu `Ali Muhammad b. Himam narrated. He said: `Abdillah b. Ja`far narrated from Ahmad b. Hilal[9] from Muhammad b. Abi `Umayr from Sa`eed b. Ghazwan from Abu Baseer from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام from his forefathers صلوات الله عليهم.

He said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله said: Allah عز وجل has chosen Friday from the days, and the month of Ramadan from the months, and the Night of Power from the nights, and He has chosen me above all of the prophets, and from me He has chosen `Ali and preferred him over all of the deputies, and from `Ali He has chosen Hasan and Husayn, and from al-Husayn He has chosen the deputies from his loins who will negate the interpolations of the extremists, the fraudulence of the wrongdoers, and the interpretations of the deviant. Their ninth is their Qa’im and he is their manifest one, and he is their hidden one. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-sahih) (مجهول كالصحيح)

 

حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم بن إسحاق الطالقاني رضي الله عنه قال : حدثنا أحمد بن محمد الهمداني قال : حدثنا أبو عبد الله العاصمي ، عن الحسين بن القاسم بن أيوب ، عن الحسن بن محمد بن سماعة ، عن ثابت الصائغ عن أبي بصير ، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال : سمعته يقول : منا اثنا عشر مهديا مضى ستة وبقى ستة ، يصنع الله بالسادس ما أحب

 

Muhammad b. Ibrahim b. Is`haq at-Talaqani رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: Ahmad b. Muhammad al-Hamadani[10] narrated. He said: Abu `Abdillah al-`Asimi narrated from al-Husayn b. al-Qasim b. Ayyub from al-Hasan b. Muhammad b. Sama`a[11] from Thabit as-Sa’igh from Abu Baseer from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.

He said: I heard him say: From us there are twelve Mahdis – six have passed, and six remain.[12] Allah will do with the sixth whatever He likes.[13] (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم بن إسحاق رضي الله عنه قال : حدثنا أحمد بن محمد الهمداني قال : حدثنا أبو عبد الله العاصمي ، عن الحسين بن القاسم بن أيوب ، عن الحسن بن محمد بن سماعة ، عن وهيب ، عن ذريح ، عن أبي حمزة ، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام أنه قال : منا اثنا عشر مهديا .

 

Muhammad b. Idris b. Is`haq رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: Ahmad b. Muhammad al-Hamadani narrated. He said: Abu `Abdillah al-`Asimi narrated from al-Husayn b. al-Qasim b. Ayyub from al-Hasan b. Muhammad b. Sama`a from Wuhayb from Dhurayh from Abu Hamza from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: From us there are twelve Mahdis. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

حدثنا محمد بن علي ماجيلويه ، ومحمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنهما قالا : حدثنا محمد بن يحيى العطار ، عن محمد بن الحسن الصفار ، عن أبي طالب عبد الله ابن الصلت القمي ، عن عثمان بن عيسى ، عن سماعة بن مهران قال : كنت أنا وأبو بصير ومحمد بن عمران مولى أبي جعفر عليه السلام في منزل بمكة ، فقال محمد بن عمران : سمعت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام يقول : نحن اثنا عشر مهديا فقال له أبو بصير : تالله لقد سمعت ذلك من أبي عبد الله عليه السلام ؟ فحلف مرة أو مرتين أنه سمع ذلك منه . فقال أبو بصير : لكني سمعته من أبي جعفر عليه السلام .

 

Muhammad b. `Ali Majiluwayh and Muhammad b. Musa b. al-Mutawakkil رضي الله عنهما narrated. They said: Muhammad b. Yahya al-`Attar narrated from Muhammad b. al-Hasan as-Saffar from Abu Talib `Abdillah b. as-Salt al-Qummi from `Uthman b. `Isa[14] from Sama`a b. Mehran. He said:

I, Abu Baseer, and Muhammad b. `Imran the slave of Abu Ja`far عليه السلام were in a residence in Mecca, so Muhammad b. `Imran said: I heard Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام say: We are twelve Mahdis. So Abu Baseer told him: By Allah, did you hear this from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام? So he swore once or twice that he had heard it from him. So Abu Baseer said: But I have heard it from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم بن إسحاق رضي الله عنه قال : حدثنا أحمد بن محمد الهمداني قال : حدثنا جعفر بن عبد الله قال : حدثني عثمان بن عيسى ، عن سماعة ابن مهران قال : كنت أنا وأبو بصير ومحمد بن عمران مولى أبي جعفر في منزل بمكة فقال محمد بن عمران : سمعت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام يقول : نحن اثنا عشر محدثون ( 1 ) فقال أبو بصير : والله لقد سمعت ذلك من أبي عبد الله عليه السلام فحلف مرتين أنه سمعه منه .

 

Muhammad b. Ibrahim b. Is`haq رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: Ahmad b. Muhammad al-Hamadani narrated. He said: Ja`far b. `Abdillah narrated. He said: `Uthman b. `Isa narrated from Sama`a b. Mehran.

He said: I, Abu Baseer, Muhammad b. `Imran the slave of Abu Ja`far were in a residence in Mecca, so Muhammad b. `Imran said: I heard Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام say: We are twelve muhaddaths. So Abu Baseer said: By Allah, did you hear this from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام? So he swore twice that he had heard it from him. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

حَدَّثَنا جَعْفَرُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مَسْرُورٍ رَضِىَ اللهُ عَنْهُ قالَ: حَدَّثَنا الحُسَيْنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عامِرٍ، عَنِ المُعَلَّى بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ البَصَرِيِّ، عَنِ الحَسَنِ بْنِ عَلِىٍّ الوَشَّاءِ، عَنْ أَبانِ بْنِ عُثْمانَ، عَنْ زُرارَةَ بْنِ أَعْيَنَ قالَ: سَمِعْتُ أَبَا جَعْفَرٍ عَلَيْهِ السَّلامُ يَقُولُ: نَحْنُ اثْنا عَشَر إِماماً، مِنْهُمُ الحَسَنُ وَالحُسَيْنُ ثُمَّ الأَئِمَّةُ مِنْ وُلْدِ الحُسَيْنِ‏ عَلَيْهِمُ السَّلاَمُ.

 

Ja`far b. Muhammad b. Masroor رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: al-Husayn b. Muhammad b. `Amer narrated from al-Mu`alla b. Muhammad al-Basri from al-Hasan b. `Ali al-Washsha’ from Aban b. `Uthman from Zurara b. A`yan.

He said: I heard Abu Ja`far عليه السلام say: We are twelve Imams, from them are al-Hasan and al-Husayn, then the Imams from the loins of al-Husayn عليه السلام. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-hasan – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالحسن - من مشايخ الصدوق)

 

 

The mother of the Mahdi

 

أخبرنا أحمد بن محمد بن سعيد ابن عقدة قال حدثنا محمد بن المفضل بن قيس بن رمانة الأشعري و سعدان بن إسحاق بن سعيد و أحمد بن الحسين بن عبد الملك و محمد بن الحسن القطواني قالوا جميعا حدثنا الحسن بن محبوب الزراد عن هشام بن سالم عن يزيد الكناسي قال سمعت أبا جعفر محمد بن علي الباقر ع يقول إن صاحب هذا الأمر فيه شبه من يوسف ابن أمة سوداء يصلح الله عز و جل له أمره في ليلة واحدة

 

Ahmad b. Muhmmad b. Sa`eed b. `Uqda said: Muhammad b. al-Fadl b. Qays b. Ramaanih al-Ash`ari and Sa`dan b. Is`haq b. Sa`eed and Ahmad b. al-Husayn b. `Abd al-Malik and Muhammad b. al-Hasan al-Qatwaani who said: al-Hasan b. Mahbub az-Zarad from Hisham b. Salim from Yazid al-Kunasi who said:

I heard Abu Ja`far Muhammad b. `Ali al-Baqir عليه السلام say: Verily, in the Patron of this Affair is a resemblance to Yusuf. He is the son of a black woman,[15] and Allah عز و جل will reform his affair in one night.[16] (Nu`mani’s Ghayba)

(muwathaq) (موثق)

 

His discrete birth

 

أبي، عن سعد، عن الخشاب، عن العباس بن عامر قال: سمعت أبا الحسن موسى (ع) يقول صاحب هذا الامر يقول الناس لم يولد بعد.

 

My father from Sa`d from al-Khashab from al-`Abbas b. `Amer.

He said: I heard Abu’l Hasan Musa عليه السلام say: People will say, ”the Patron of this Affair has not been born yet”.[17] (Kamal ad-Deen)

(sahih) (صحيح)

 

الهمداني، عن علي، عن أبيه، عن محمد بن زياد الازدي، عن موسى بن جعفر (ع) أنه قال عند ذكر القائم (ع): يخفى على الناس ولادته ولا يحل لهم تسميته حتى يظهره الله(عزوجل) فيملا به الارض قسطا وعدلا كما ملئت جورا وظلما.

 

al-Hamadani from `Ali from his father from Muhammad b. Ziyad al-Azidi from Musa b. Ja`far عليه السلام.

He said at the mentioning of the Qa’im عليه السلام: His birth will be hidden from the people, and it is not permissible for them to reveal his name until Allah عز و جل makes him appear and fill equity and justice into the world, as it would have been fraught with injustice and oppression. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(sahih) (صحيح)

 

عدة من أصحابنا، عن سعد بن عبدالله، عن أيوب بن نوح قال: قلت لابي الحسن الرضا (عليه السلام): إني أرجو أن تكون صاحب هذا الامر، وأن يسوقه الله إليك بغير سيف، فقد بويع لك وضربت الدراهم باسمك، فقال: ما منا أحد اختلفت إليه الكتب، واشير إليه بالاصابع، وسئل عن المسائل، وحملت إليه الاموال، إلا اغتيل أو مات على فراشه، حتى يبعث الله لهذا الامر غلاما منا، خفي الولادة والمنشأ، غير خفي في نسبه.

 

A number of our companions from Sa`d b. Abdillah from Ayyub b. Nuh.

He said: I said to Abu’l Hasan ar-Rida عليه السلام: I hope that you are the Patron of this Affair and that Allah makes it easy for you without [the need of] a sword, as the people have vowed their allegiance to you and the dirhams have been put in your name. He said:  The books have not differed regarding anyone from us, and we are pointed at by fingers, asked questions, and the money is gathered for us until we are assassinated or die on our beds; until Allah sends for this affair a young man from us, secretly given birth to and raised discretely, but not unknown in his lineage. (al-Kafi)

(mursal kal-sahih) (مرسل كالصحيح)

 

وعنه، عن الحسن بن محبوب، عن أبي حمزة الثمالي قال: قلت لابي جعفر عليه السلام: إن عليا عليه السلام كان يقول: " إلى السبعين بلاء " وكان يقول: " بعد البلاء رخاء " وقد مضت السبعون ولم نر رخاء !. فقال أبو جعفر عليه السلام: يا ثابت إن الله تعالى كان وقت هذا الامر في السبعين، فلما قتل الحسين عليه السلام إشتد غضب الله على أهل الارض، فأخره إلى أربعين ومائة سنة، فحدثناكم فأذعتم الحديث، وكشفتم قناع السر، فأخره الله ولم يجعل له بعد ذلك عندنا وقتا، و * (يمحو الله ما يشاء ويثبت وعنده أم الكتاب) *. قال أبو حمزة: وقلت ذلك لابي عبد الله عليه السلام فقال: قد كان ذاك.

 

And from him from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Abu Hamza ath-Thumali.[18]

He said: I said to Abu Ja`far عليه السلام: `Ali عليه السلام used to say, “Tribulations till 70 AH”, and he used to say, “after the tribulations is prosperity”, and yet 70 AH has passed and we have not seen prosperity! So Abu Ja`far عليه السلام said: O Thabit, Allah تعالى had set a time for this affair[19] in 70 AH, but when al-Husayn عليه السلام was killed, Allah’s anger with the people of the Earth intensified. So He delayed it till 140 AH, and we narrated to you [regarding it] and you publicized the narration, so the secret was disclosed. Allah thereafter has not set any time for it that we know of. And, “Allah erases what He wills and establishes [what He wills]; and with Him is the Original Book” (13:39).

Abu Hamza said: I narrated this to Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام and he said: It is like this. (Tusi’s Ghayba)

(mursal kal-sahih) (مرسل كالصحيح)

 

علي بن محمد ومحمد بن الحسن، عن سهل بن زياد، ومحمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى جميعا، عن الحسن بن محبوب، عن أبي حمزة الثمالي قال: سمعت أبا جعفر عليه السلام يقول: يا ثابت إن الله تبارك وتعالى قد كان وقت هذا الامر في السبعين، فلما أن قتل الحسين صلوات الله عليه اشتد غضب الله تعالى على أهل الارض، فأخره إلى أربعين و ومائة، فحدثناكم فأذعتم الحديث فكشفتم قناع الستر ولم يجعل الله له بعد ذلك وقتا عندنا ويمحو الله ما يشاء ويثبت وعنده أم الكتاب. قال أبو حمزة: فحدثت بذلك أبا عبد الله عليه السلام فقال: قد كان كذلك.   `Ali b. Muhammad and Muhammad b. al-Hasan from Sahl b. Ziyad and Muhammad b. Yahya together from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Abu Hamza ath-Thumali. He said: I heard Abu Ja`far عليه السلام say: O Thabit, Allah تبارك وتعالى had set a time for this affair (i.e. divine government) in 70 AH, but when al-Husayn صلوات الله عليه was killed, Allah’s تعالى anger with the people of the Earth intensified. So He delayed it till 140 AH, and we narrated to you [regarding it] and you publicized the narration, so the secret was disclosed. Allah thereafter has not set any time for it that we know of. And, “Allah erases what He wills and establishes [what He wills]; and with Him is the Original Book” (13:39). Abu Hamza said: I narrated this to Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام and he said: It is like this. (al-Kafi)

(mursal kal-sahih) (مرسل كالصحيح)

 

حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنه قال : حدثنا محمد بن يحيى العطار ، عن محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد ، عن محمد بن أبي عمير ، عن سعيد بن غزوان ، عن أبي بصير ، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال : صاحب هذا الامر تعمى ولادته على ( هذا ) الخلق لئلا يكون لاحد في عنقه بيعة إذا خرج

 

Muhammad b. Musa al-Mutawakkil رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: Muhamad b. Yahya al-`Attar narrated from Muhammad b. `Isa b. `Ubayd from Muhammad b. Abi `Umayr from Sa`eed b. Ghazwan from Abu Baseer from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.

He said: The birth of the Patron of this Affair will be hidden from the creation so that no one’s allegiance may be on his neck when he appears. (Kamal ad-Deen)

(majhool kal-sahih) (مجهول كالصحيح)

 

Hasan al-`Askari’s successor

 

محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن إسحاق، عن أبي هاشم الجعفري قال: قلت لابي محمد عليه السلام: جلالتك تمنعني من مسألتك، فتأذن لي أن أسألك؟ فقال: سل، قلت: يا سيدي هل لك ولد؟ فقال: نعم، فقلت: فإن بك حدث فأين أسأل عنه؟ فقال: بالمدينة.

Muhammad b. Yahya has narrated from Ahmad b. Is`haq from Abu Hashim al-Ja`fari.

He said: I said to Abu Muhammad عليه السلام: Your grace causes shyness to me to ask you questions. May I ask you a question? He said: Yes, you may ask. I said: My master, do you have a son? He said: Yes. I then said: If anything happens to you, where would I ask about him? He replied: In Medina. (al-Kafi)

(sahih) (صحيح)

 

علي بن محمد، عن محمد بن علي بن بلال قال: خرج إلي من أبي محمد قبل مضيه بسنتين يخبرني بالخلف من بعده، ثم خرج إلى من قبل مضيه بثلاثة أيام يخبرني بالخلف من بعده.

 

`Ali b. Muhammad from Muhammad b. `Ali b. Bilal.

He said: Two years before his passing, Abu Muhammad informed me of his successor. Then, three days before his passing, he informed me of his successor. (al-Kafi)

(sahih) (صحيح)

 

علي بن محمد، عن محمد بن إسماعيل بن موسى بن جعفر وكان أسن شيخ من ولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله بالعراق فقال: رأيته بين المسجدين وهو غلام عليه السلام.
 

`Ali b. Muhammad from Muhammad b. Ismail b. Musa b. Ja`far – who was the oldest Shaykh of the progeny of Muhammad صلوات اللّه عليهم in Iraq – he said:

I saw him (i.e. the son of Hasan al-`Askari) between the two Mosques[20] while he was a youth عليه السلام. (al-Kafi)

(majhool) (مجهول)

 

الحسين بن محمد الاشعري، عن معلى بن محمد، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عبدالله قال: خرج عن أبي محمد عليه السلام حين قتل الزبيري لعنه الله هذا جزاء من اجترأ على الله في أوليائه، يزعم أنه يقتلني وليس لي عقب، فكيف رأى قدرة الله فيه، وولد له ولد سماه " م ح م د " في سنه ست وخمسين ومائتين.

al-Husayn b. Muhammad al-Ash`ari from Mu`alla b. Muhammad[21] from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Abdillah.[22]

He said: [A letter] came out from Abu Muhammad عليه السلام when az-Zubayri لعنه الله was killed[23] [which said]: “This is a recompense for those daring against Allah regarding His awliyya’. He thought he could kill me when I had no successor. So, how did he find the power of Allah in this?” And a boy was born to him and he named him MHMD in the year 256 AH.[24] (al-Kafi)

(majhool) (مجهول)

 

His title

 

حدثنا محمد بن الحسن رضي الله عنه قال حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله قال حدثنا أبو جعفر محمد بن أحمد العلوي عن أبي هاشم داود بن القاسم الجعفري قال سمعت أبا الحسن صاحب العسكر ع يقول الخلف من بعدي ابني الحسن فكيف لكم بالخلف من بعد الخلف فقلت و لم جعلني الله فداك فقال لأنكم لا ترون شخصه و لا يحل لكم ذكره باسمه قلت فكيف نذكره قال قولوا الحجة من آل محمد ص

Muhammad b. al-Hasan رضي الله عنه from Sa`d b. `Abdillah from Abu Ja`far Muhammad b. Ahmad al-`Alawi from Abi Hashim Dawud b. al-Qasim al-Ja`fari.

He said: I heard Abu’l-Hasan Sahib al-`Askar عليه السلام say: The successor after me is my son al-Hasan, and what will you do with the successor of my successor? I said: May Allah make me your ransom, why? So he said: Because you will not see him physically, and it is not permissible to mention him by his name. So I said: How should we mention him? He said: Say, “The Proof from the Family of Muhammad” صلوات اللّه عليهم (al-Hujjah min Aali Muhammad) (Kamal ad-Deen)

(hasan kal-sahih) (حسن كالصحيح)

 

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Keep in mind that there are many narrations I have not included, including those of Imam al-`Askari's own mother and aunt.

 

40 minutes ago, Fahad Sani said:

Shaikh Mufeed said in book 'Al-Fusul al-Mukhtarah' p.114: He was born on the 15th of Shaban 255H. On p.258 said: He was born in the year 252 A.H.
Sheikh Saduq, said in 'Ikmal al- Din': His birth was on 8th Shaban 256 A. H. Ref: 'Al- Fusul al-Mukhtarah' p.432.
Sheikh Tusi says in 'Al- Ghaybah'p.141 that: He was born in the 15th of Ramadan and in another report said he was born in the 15th of Shaban 255 A. H.

Could you provide the Arabic references for Mufeed please? I know of the 255 AH and 256 AH dates, but not the 252 number. By the way, this Imam was born in seclusion nearly 1,200 years ago, so it's natural that there will be differing accounts of his birth year. There are different birth years for Sayyida Khadija and Sayyida Fatima too, but that does not negate their existence. Even the Prophet's own birthday has some disagreement.

 

[Qa'im 11,143]

More narrations:

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ زِيَادِ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ الْهَمَدَانِيُّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ بْنِ هَاشِمٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ أَبِي أَحْمَدَ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ الْأَزْدِيِّ قَالَ: سَأَلْتُ سَيِّدِي مُوسَى بْنَ جَعْفَرٍ ع عَنْ قَوْلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَ‏ وَ أَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظاهِرَةً وَ باطِنَةً فَقَالَ ع النِّعْمَةُ الظَّاهِرَةُ الْإِمَامُ الظَّاهِرُ وَ الْبَاطِنَةُ الْإِمَامُ الْغَائِبُ فَقُلْتُ لَهُ وَ يَكُونُ فِي الْأَئِمَّةِ مَنْ يَغِيبُ قَالَ نَعَمْ يَغِيبُ عَنْ أَبْصَارِ النَّاسِ شَخْصُهُ وَ لَا يَغِيبُ عَن‏ قُلُوبِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ذِكْرُهُ وَ هُوَ الثَّانِي عَشَرَ مِنَّا يُسَهِّلُ اللَّهُ لَهُ كُلَّ عَسِيرٍ وَ يُذَلِّلُ لَهُ كُلَّ صَعْبٍ وَ يُظْهِرُ لَهُ كُنُوزَ الْأَرْضِ وَ يُقَرِّبُ لَهُ كُلَّ بَعِيدٍ وَ يُبِيرُ بِهِ كُلَّ جَبَّارٍ عَنِيدٍ وَ يُهْلِكُ عَلَى يَدِهِ كُلَّ شَيْطَانٍ مَرِيدٍ ذَلِكَ ابْنُ سَيِّدَةِ الْإِمَاءِ الَّذِي تَخْفَى عَلَى النَّاسِ وِلَادَتُهُ وَ لَا يَحِلُّ لَهُمْ تَسْمِيَتُهُ حَتَّى يُظْهِرَهُ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ فَيَمْلَأَ الْأَرْضَ قِسْطاً وَ عَدْلًا كَمَا مُلِئَتْ جَوْراً وَ ظُلْما

Ahmad b. Ziyad b. Ja`far al-Hamadani رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: `Ali b. Ibrahim b. Hashim narrated from his father from Abu Ahmad Muhammad b. Ziyad al-Azidi.

He said: I asked my master Musa b. Ja`far عليه السلام about the saying of Allah عز و جل, “…and He lavished upon you His favours, both apparent (thahir) and hidden (batin)…” (31:20). He عليه السلام said: The apparent favour is an apparent Imam, and the hidden favour is an occulted Imam. So I said to him: And will there be any [Imam] who is occulted from amongst the Imams? He said: Yes, his person will be occulted from the people’s sight, but his remembrance will not be occulted from the believers’ hearts. And he is the twelfth from us. Allah eases all difficulties for him, helps him overcome all adversities, makes apparent to him the treasures of the Earth, brings close to him all that is remote, eradicates the immensely arrogant through him, and with his hand destroys every disciple of Satan. He is the child of the master of slave women; he is whose birth will be concealed from the people, and whose name is not permissible to be named until Allah عز و جل makes him apparent and fills the Earth with equity and justice as it would have been fraught with injustice and oppression. (Kamal ad-Deen, Volume 2, Debate of Hisham b. al-Hakam About Occultation, hadith #2)

(sahih) (صحيح)

 

حدثنا أبي رضي الله عنه قال : حدثنا عبد الله بن جعفر الحميري ، عن أحمد ابن هلال العبر تائي ، عن الحسن بن محبوب ، عن أبي الحسن علي بن موسى الرضا عليهما السلام قال : قال لي : لا بد من فتنة صماء صيلم  يسقط فيها كل بطانة ووليجة وذلك عند فقدان الشيعة الثالث من ولدي ، يبكي عليه أهل السماء وأهل الارض وكل جرى وحران ، وكل حزين ولهفان .
ثم قال عليه السلام : بأبي وأمي سمي جدي صلى الله عليه وآله وشبيهي وشبيه موسى بن عمران عليه السلام ، عليه جيوب النور ، يتوقد من شعاع ضياء القدس يحزن لموته أهل الارض والسماء ، كم من حرى مؤمنة ، وكم من مؤمن متأسف حران حزين عند فقدان الماء المعين ، كأني بهم آيس ما كانوا قد نودوا نداء يسمع من بعد كما يسمع من قرب ، يكون رحمة على المؤمنين وعذابا على الكافرين

My father رضي الله عنه narrated. He said: `Abdillah b. Ja`far al-Himyari narrated from Ahmad b. Hilal al-`Abr Ta’i from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Abu’l Hasan `Ali b. Musa ar-Rida عليهما السلام. He said:

He said to me: Definitely, there will be severe and distressing schism (fitna) in which every secret and close relation will be dropped, and that will occur when the Shi`a lose my third descendent. The people of the heavens and the Earth, and every worthy and merited [person], and every contrite and sorrowful [person] will weep for him. Then he عليه السلام said: May my father and mother be sacrificed for the namesake of my grandfather صلى الله عليه وآله and the one in my likeness and the likeness of Musa b. `Imran عليه السلام – he is dressed in garments of light, shining with the illuminating rays of sanctity. The people of the Earth and the heavens will be sorrowful upon his death; how abundant of believers and how abundant of sorrowful believers will be perplexed and grievous at the loss of the gushing water (i.e. the Imam). It is as if I see them in their despair, being called by a call that is heard from far away as it is heard from near – a call that is a mercy for the believers and a punishment upon the disbelievers. (Kamal ad-Deen, Volume 2, Statements of ar-Rida on the Occultation, hadith #3)

(apparently sahih) (صحيح على ظاهر)

الطالقاني، عن ابن عقدة، عن علي بن الحسن بن فضال، عن أبيه، عن الرضا (ع) أنه قال: كأني بالشيعة عند فقدهم الثالث من ولدي يطلبون المرعى فلا يجدونه قلت له: ولم ذلك يا ابن رسول الله؟ قال: لان إمامهم يغيب عنهم فقلت: ولم؟ قال لئلا يكون في عنقه لاحد بيعة إذا قام بالسيف.

at-Talaqani from ibn `Uqda from `Ali b. al-Hasan b. Faddal from his father from ar-Rida عليه السلام.

He said: It is as if I am with the Shi`a as they lose my third descendent. They will be seeking the pasture and they will not find it. I said to him: And why is that, O son of the Messenger of Allah? He said: Because their Imam will be occulted from them. So I said: Why? He said: So that there may not be anyone’s allegiance upon his neck when he rises with the sword. (`Uyoon Akhbar ar-Rida, Reports From `Al b. Musa on Various Matters, hadith #6)

(majhool kal-muwathaq – Teacher of Saduq) (مجهول كالموثق - من مشايخ الصدوق)
 

وبهذا الاسناد عن محمد بن عبد الله بن جعفر، عن أبيه، عن (3) محمد بن أحمد بن يحيى [ عن محمد بن الحسين، عن أبي سعيد العصفري ] (1) عن عمرو بن ثابت (2)، عن أبي الجارود عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام، قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم: إني وأحد عشر من ولدي وأنت يا علي زر الارض - أعني أوتادها وجبالها - بنا أوتد الله الارض أن تسيخ بأهلها، فإذا ذهب الاثنا عشر من ولدي ساخت الارض بأهلها ولم ينظروا (3).

And by this isnad from Muhammad b. `Abdillah b. Ja`far from his father from Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Yahya from Muhammad b. al-Husayn from Abu Sa`eed al-Asfari from `Amr b. Thabit from Abu’l Jarud from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام.

He said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم said: Me, eleven from my loins, and you O `Ali are the pegs of the Earth – I mean its pillars and its mountains. By us, Allah steadies the Earth from swallowing its inhabitants. When the twelfth from my loins goes, the Earth will swallow its inhabitants unexpectedly.

(muwathaq) (موثق)

 

[Haimi 868]

Assalam.

You think he cares? They care?

What's the point of posting brother when you don't get a result? They don't get a result?

There's a big different between "I'm defending my topics by posting" and "I'm seeking/showing the truth"

First one is for blinds, the second one is for a Freeman.

Wassalam.

[Haimi 868]

@DigitalUmmah @hameedeh  @Qa'im  @repenter 

What do you see as as first name between all these names and titles? You think it's an accident? You think he doesn't know about it?

Edited September 7, 2016 by Haimi

[Qa'im 11,143]

I post for our siblings to learn, not necessarily to change hearts.

[Haimi 868]

10 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

I post for our siblings to learn, not necessarily to change hearts.

You got it wrong too.

Brother, Post it in a different thread before you feed the man.

Plus siblings knows it, at least let us say many of our siblings.

We can open a new thread like: everything about imam Mahdi a.t.f from Sunni sources.

[Ali al-Abdullah 355]

I also read in a hadith somewhere that Imam Hasan al-Askarī (as) had two sons? One of them Imam Muhammad al-Mahdī (ajtf) and one was called Musa ibn Hasan.

[Haimi 868]

Please don't mention the prophet name of in our beloved imam zaman a.t.f. name.

[Fahad Sani 0]

On 9/7/2016 at 10:51 AM, Fahad Sani said:

Kulayni in his book Usool e Kafi vol-2, Ch#125 Birth of Sahib, collected 31 narrations. As per research of Allama Majlisi in Mirat ul Uqul vol-6, P-170 onwards: Out of those 31 narrations only 8 (No.4,8,15,20,24,25,29,31) are saheeh, rest all are weak/unknown and unreliable. But, none of those 8 narrations mention anything about birth. They talk about other issues. According to Allama Behbudi in Sahi al-Kafi, Ch#1, Birth of Sahib, only 2 narrations are saheeh, 9th & 24th. In both these narrations there is no words on birth.

Allama Majlisi in Bihar ul Anwar vol-51, P-2 to 28, compiled about 40 narrations after collecting them from all previous shia books. But, how many of them are saheeh? Shaikh Asif muhsini in Mashraat Bihar ul Anwar vol-2, P-208, Ch: His birth and status of his mother, said: none of them is saheeh, all are zaeef & majhool.

Source: Ayatullah and Marjae Kamal Haydari.

 

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Edited March 1, 2017 by Fahad Sani