Thoughts 2016-2017 (Archives)

[hasanhh]

Thursday, <0600hrs

I have been researching one accuser of Donald Trump, which l delineated elsewhere.

My thought is: Clinton Campaign, Leeds to Crooks ... and other women.

This reminds me of the Sam Sheppard Case.  In short, a doctor was accused of murdering his wife in 1954. The trial was really a circus, during which women came forward and started accusing Dr. Sheppard of misappropriate conduct, affairs, the father of their baby, yadda, yadda, yadda. Reporters ran around the court room photographing the jury, judge, Sheppard ... tabloid articles in the newspapers ... ad nauseum

F.LeeBailey got Sheppard a new trial by a SCOTUS decree on the grounds that in such an atmosphere a fair trial was impossible.

In the 2nd trial, Sheppard was found 'not guilty'. There was no physical evidence or opportunity or motive.

[LeftCoastMom]

Well, since we Grandparents on this side of the planet are giving the young expectant couple a place to live....the Grandparents on the other side of the planet decided to do something, too.

They got them a state -of-the-art carseat for the baby. 

And a new car to go around it.

[Sawa]

Salam,

I'm working on calculus homework right now at almost 4am, for the last 5 hours (almost done mashallah) that was due yesterday and I regret so much taking this calculus class on this semester and next week I will be 21 and I think I'm having my early 20 crises or something (if that exists), I feel like such an old lady lol

[LeftCoastMom]

In other news....this week DD definitely felt the baby move. 

@hameedeh @Gaius I. Caesar @Laayla @notme @hasanhh @IbnSina 

Edited October 14, 2016 by LeftCoastMom

[Soldiers and Saffron]

On 10/14/2016 at 3:50 AM, Sawa said:

Salam,

I'm working on calculus homework right now at almost 4am, for the last 5 hours (almost done mashallah) that was due yesterday and I regret so much taking this calculus class on this semester and next week I will be 21 and I think I'm having my early 20 crises or something (if that exists), I feel like such an old lady lol

Ws, @Sawa

I can recommend you this youtube channel for the calculus courses:

https://www.youtube.com/user/patrickJMT

 

[rkazmi33]

I find it hard to believe that divorce rate is 70%. I have the right to divorce, still I cannot find any Shia scholar who is willing to pronounce the divorce. It's frustrating, what's the point of all these laws if they are not implemented. They are only on paper to tell non-Muslims that Islam gives rights to women. It doesn't matter if women get those rights in reality or not. 

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

They are only on paper to tell non-Muslims that Islam gives rights to women. It doesn't matter if women get those rights in reality or not

Patriarchy.

[notme]

57 minutes ago, rkazmi33 said:

I find it hard to believe that divorce rate is 70%. I have the right to divorce, still I cannot find any Shia scholar who is willing to pronounce the divorce. It's frustrating, what's the point of all these laws if they are not implemented. They are only on paper to tell non-Muslims that Islam gives rights to women. It doesn't matter if women get those rights in reality or not. 

It definitely does seem that way at times. The problem is that the leaders fear acting decisively and making a mistake. In this area, they need to grow a spine. It is ridiculous.

[notme]

It occurred to me to wonder: if the majority of body fluids are najis, how is a human body, which is about 70% fluids, not inherently najis? 

 

[Guest silasun]

On 16/10/2016 at 11:14 AM, rkazmi33 said:

I find it hard to believe that divorce rate is 70%. I have the right to divorce, still I cannot find any Shia scholar who is willing to pronounce the divorce. It's frustrating, what's the point of all these laws if they are not implemented. They are only on paper to tell non-Muslims that Islam gives rights to women. It doesn't matter if women get those rights in reality or not. 

Divorce rocks the throne of God.

[Sumerian]

1 hour ago, notme said:

It occurred to me to wonder: if the majority of body fluids are najis, how is a human body, which is about 70% fluids, not inherently najis? 

 

It is the external najasa which makes someone impure. If someone ate bacon it doesn't make them najis, for example.

[Guest silasun]

3 hours ago, notme said:

It occurred to me to wonder: if the majority of body fluids are najis, how is a human body, which is about 70% fluids, not inherently najis? 

 

^__^

Thought: what makes a human extrinsically najis?

What are we such that if we do something/believe something so bad that we become najis?

And how can a man be najis from start and at the end, and a vessel for najasat in this world, and yet still be tahir? Even a source for purification of others?

I'm rambling.... sorry =/

[notme]

3 hours ago, silasun said:

Divorce rocks the throne of God.

Divorce is bad but not haram. Abuse and oppression are haram. Not fulfilling obligations is haram. When scholars and community leaders refuse to allow needed divorce, they are passively participating in abuse, neglect, and oppression. 

[Guest silasun]

@notme

I got the gist from it that if a divorce has been refused then the case is not one of highly damaging oppression which takes priority over the damage by divorce.

If one goes to a capable and genuine religious leader then the divorce would be granted in the case of serious harm- and would not be granted in the case of more problems occurring due to divorce.

The question is- do we even check the credentials of whom we refer to?

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, silasun said:

The question is- do we even check the credentials of whom we refer to

As far as the credentials is concerned , it's the marja approved representative. That should be enough for us, no?

In islam a wife can ask for khula  if she develops an aversion towards her husband due to any reason... even his physical appearance though this aversion has to be extreme for it to be a valid reason.But my point is, aversion is something that's subjective and so molanas cannot refuse a woman who is saying she cannot stand living with her husband anymore. 

If they refuse, who will then be responsible if she is not able to fulfill her conjugal duties due to the animosity she has developed towards her husband and what if one of them falls into haram due to the lack of intimacy in the marriage?? 

[Guest silasun]

@starlight

I ought to clarify the comment was as a suggestion of why! Since we do not know of the detail of why this was the decision.

I hope it doesn't sound in a sort of hypocritical fashion. Unfortunately the internet is a place where I find myself having to back-track a lot just to make sure it came out correctly.

 

[notme]

2 hours ago, silasun said:

@notme

I got the gist from it that if a divorce has been refused then the case is not one of highly damaging oppression which takes priority over the damage by divorce.

If one goes to a capable and genuine religious leader then the divorce would be granted in the case of serious harm- and would not be granted in the case of more problems occurring due to divorce.

The question is- do we even check the credentials of whom we refer to?

I can't disagree with this, but I've heard dozens of horror stories of wives being beaten, starved, isolated, and abandoned, and the religious authorities refusing to require divorce. Since it's never possible to fully know another person's situation, and knowing that women generally will suffer in the community as a result of divorce and therefore are unlikely to take it lightly, they should just take her word for it if she says the marriage is unbearable.

Edited October 17, 2016 by notme
Really weird autocorrect

[Reza]

Hey guys!

[Soldiers and Saffron]

On 2016-10-16 at 0:14 PM, rkazmi33 said:

I find it hard to believe that divorce rate is 70%. I have the right to divorce, still I cannot find any Shia scholar who is willing to pronounce the divorce. It's frustrating, what's the point of all these laws if they are not implemented. They are only on paper to tell non-Muslims that Islam gives rights to women. It doesn't matter if women get those rights in reality or not. 

 

On 2016-10-16 at 0:54 PM, starlight said:

Patriarchy.

Correction:

Pakistan.

Dont blame islam because of the culture of your country.

[Soldiers and Saffron]

On 2016-10-17 at 3:07 PM, notme said:

It occurred to me to wonder: if the majority of body fluids are najis, how is a human body, which is about 70% fluids, not inherently najis? 

 

Well, most fluids change state dependent on temperature and other chemical factors, such as blood for example, it coagulates due to a chemical reaction caused by oxygen right?

Maybe some fluids are not najis dependent on the condition of the fluid and the container.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

 

Correction:

Pakistan.

Dont blame islam because of the culture of your country.

notme and rkazmi don't live in Pakistan. 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

Just now, starlight said:

notme and rkazmi don't live in Pakistan. 

I know notme does not live there, but as far as I know rkazmi does.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, IbnSina said:

I know notme does not live there, but as far as I know rkazmi does.

No, she doesn't. 

[Pearl178]

19 minutes ago, magma said:

Hey guys!

Welcome back. Make SC great again!

[Soldiers and Saffron]

Just now, starlight said:

No, she doesn't. 

Ok my bad then. But she is pakistani and if i would guess her community is paki as well. Either way, if a sheikh does not perform his duties according to islamic law, rather to local cultural customs, then this is bad and its is wrong.

But what is even more wrong and more bad is to blame islam for the shortcomings of sheikhs due to culture as if the kufars does not already the sing the song of "islam oppresses women".

[notme]

Just now, starlight said:

notme and rkazmi don't live in Pakistan. 

I didn't have to ask a scholar to order my ex to divorce. I just told the ex that I'd let his community know that he'd left me and his daughter homeless and without any resources to live, forcing me to remove hijab so I could get a job.

I've just heard the stories from other women. It's not just Pakistan, it's the whole world, every ethnicity. Supposedly the scholars fear making a mistake but it seems to me that it's far worse to mistakenly support haram actions than to support an undesirable but halal action. Islam is perfect but people are weak and would rather follow tradition than think for themselves.

Alhamdulilla, the threat of truth was enough for my situation. I didn't have to experience community rejection firsthand. 

[Guest]

Just now, IbnSina said:

Ok my bad then. But she is pakistani and if i would guess her community is paki as well. Either way, if a sheikh does not perform his duties according to islamic law, rather to local cultural customs, then this is bad and its is wrong.

But what is even more wrong and more bad is to blame islam for the shortcomings of sheikhs due to culture as if the kufars does not already the sing the song of "islam oppresses women".

Where did you see me blaming islam? I didn't. 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

1 minute ago, starlight said:

Where did you see me blaming islam? I didn't. 

I know you did not, nor did I say you did but the other sister did.

[Reza]

Everyone's point above is well taken. Let's not have misunderstandings. 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

9 minutes ago, notme said:

I didn't have to ask a scholar to order my ex to divorce. I just told the ex that I'd let his community know that he'd left me and his daughter homeless and without any resources to live, forcing me to remove hijab so I could get a job.

I've just heard the stories from other women. It's not just Pakistan, it's the whole world, every ethnicity. Supposedly the scholars fear making a mistake but it seems to me that it's far worse to mistakenly support haram actions than to support an undesirable but halal action. Islam is perfect but people are weak and would rather follow tradition than think for themselves.

Alhamdulilla, the threat of truth was enough for my situation. I didn't have to experience community rejection firsthand. 

May Allah(SWT) protect the sisters from scum like that.

It is true that the rights of the men are a step higher than the rights of the women in terms of divorce, this is what Allah(SWT) told us.

But more rights means more responsibility and more responsibility means more accountability. And so just like the limited power of free will that both genders have, rights of divorce that the men has comes with accountability as well and if you wrong someone only that person can forgive you, and what sins might such a person be forgiven for on judgement day who has been wronged?

Edited October 18, 2016 by IbnSina

[rkazmi33]

@starlight and @notme! Thank you for your posts. I could not explain the situation like you did. @IbnSinaI got similar kind of response from scholars who are not traditional at all. They were educated in west and they give lectures in English. I recently read about two iranian women who were going through physical abuse. They tried to get divorce but they couldn't. They ended up killing their husbands and now they are going to be executed. I know that most people will dismiss it as propaganda. But I have seen enough and I believe cases like these can happen. I am facing difficulties in my career. I know that it's nothing compared to what can happen in a bad marriage but it gives a chance to people to say: See! This is a sign from Allah. You are getting punished because you are asking for a divorce. 

[baradar_jackson]

On 10/18/2016 at 0:56 PM, magma said:

Hey guys!

You've converted?

(I'm referring to that beautiful logo you have as your pitture)

[Sumerian]

Quote

 

Question: When is it permissible for a wife to ask for divorce through the religious judge? Is it permissible for a wife — whose husband constantly treats her badly or a wife whose is sexually not satisfied by her husband to an extent that she fears committing that which is harãm — to ask for divorce and be divorced?

Answer: It is permissible for her to ask for divorce through the religious judge, if her husband refuses to fulfill her marital rights and also refuses to divorce her after the religious judge has ordered him to do one of the two. In such a case, the judge would pronounce the divorced the wife.The circumstances in which this could happen are the following: When the husband refuses to provide for the wife and also refuses to divorce her. This would include the case of a husband who is unable to provide for his wife and also refuses to divorce her.When the husband harasses the wife, treats her unjustly, and does not behave with her kindly as Almighty Allãh has ordained. When the husband abandons her completely and she becomes like a suspended woman, i.e. neither married nor free to marry.As for the case where he does not fully satisfy her sexual needs to an extent that she fears committing the harãm, then, based on compulsory precaution, the husband must fulfill her needs or consent to her demand for divorce. However, if he does not do that, then the wife has to bear the situation patiently and wait [for a better future].

http://www.sistani.org/english/book/46/2063/

 

Edited October 19, 2016 by E.L King

[notme]

Some parts of being middle class can be hard to get used to, like throwing stuff away and getting new ones when it's broken, instead of fixing it. It seems so very wasteful. I'm not convinced that the easier way is the better way in this case. I'm not ready to buy in to the whole disposable society. 

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