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Hi everyone, 

How is everyone doing? I am MuhammadXII, a Pakistani Sunni, but one who views Shias as Muslim brothers and sisters. I was wondering, why are the youth in Iran abandoning Islam at an alarming rate. Every single Iranian youth I have come across here in Canada is against Islam and anti-Islam. Furthermore, I heard that the youth in Iran is like this as well. I have heard from a trusted source that 70% of Iran's youth are irreligious, and eventually this will lead to the end of Islam in Iran as the youth form the majority of the population of Iran right now. Is this true, are there any religious youth? Why is Tehran one of Iran's least religious cities? 

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People get skeptical about their own religion one or more times in their lives. Usually because they are presented with a religions affectations and not much else. Inshallah they get back to it.

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7 hours ago, MuhammadXII said:

Hi everyone, 

How is everyone doing? I am MuhammadXII, a Pakistani Sunni, but one who views Shias as Muslim brothers and sisters. I was wondering, why are the youth in Iran abandoning Islam at an alarming rate. Every single Iranian youth I have come across here in Canada is against Islam and anti-Islam. Furthermore, I heard that the youth in Iran is like this as well. I have heard from a trusted source that 70% of Iran's youth are irreligious, and eventually this will lead to the end of Islam in Iran as the youth form the majority of the population of Iran right now. Is this true, are there any religious youth? Why is Tehran one of Iran's least religious cities? 

From what i heard and saw 70 or 80% of iranians living in western countries are like you described but in Iran its not what i saw, its true that Tehran is less religious than many other cities in Iran (like istanbul in Turkey i suppose) but after the rest of Iran is religious like the other muslim countries.

after its my point of view im maybe wrong.

Edited by alidu78

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15 hours ago, Zendegi said:

Not you again.... I thought you got banned a while back? Now you come here with another phony account.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/profile/180021-mohammadmiansunni/

I am very sure its you.

 

 

Hello, no that's not me. I would never dare to insult a Shia brother. That dude is some fool who looks to me like a Sunni extremist tbh. Thank god he got banned ;). Anyway my dear Iranian brother, can you explain to me why 90% of Iran's youth is not religious, maybe even 95%. Does this mean that the Shia faith will eventually disappear in Iran? That is a very sad plausibility. Like I remember reading a while ago that a sister on this forum, Ahlulbayt_313 left Islam and claimed that waffles were her religion. She was Iranian too. Why are the great Persians leaving Islam at an alarming rate? 

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10 hours ago, alidu78 said:

From what i heard and saw 70 or 80% of iranians living in western countries are like you described but in Iran its not what i saw, its true that Tehran is less religious than many other cities in Iran (like istanbul in Turkey i suppose) but after the rest of Iran is religious like the other muslim countries.

after its my point of view im maybe wrong.

Oh you think so? I think so too! I think that this is all just western propaganda. But yeah, Tehran is definitely not religious. 

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7 minutes ago, Haimi said:

Oh millions, didn't know that!

By western studies, you mean American studies and their alliances research?

Yes. Zendegi is my favourite Iranian on this forum. He is an example of a true Shia and I love to see that from Iranians. Waiting for his reply. 

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1 hour ago, MuhammadXII said:

Hello, no that's not me. I would never dare to insult a Shia brother. That dude is some fool who looks to me like a Sunni extremist tbh. Thank god he got banned ;). Anyway my dear Iranian brother, can you explain to me why 90% of Iran's youth is not religious, maybe even 95%. Does this mean that the Shia faith will eventually disappear in Iran? That is a very sad plausibility. Like I remember reading a while ago that a sister on this forum, Ahlulbayt_313 left Islam and claimed that waffles were her religion. She was Iranian too. Why are the great Persians leaving Islam at an alarming rate? 

From what I remember ahlulbayt313 was not Iranian. She was a convert... Italian American if I remember correctly. 

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2 hours ago, MuhammadXII said:

Hello, no that's not me. I would never dare to insult a Shia brother. That dude is some fool who looks to me like a Sunni extremist tbh. Thank god he got banned ;). Anyway my dear Iranian brother, can you explain to me why 90% of Iran's youth is not religious, maybe even 95%. Does this mean that the Shia faith will eventually disappear in Iran? That is a very sad plausibility. Like I remember reading a while ago that a sister on this forum, Ahlulbayt_313 left Islam and claimed that waffles were her religion. She was Iranian too. Why are the great Persians leaving Islam at an alarming rate? 

Waffles? What..

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6 hours ago, MuhammadXII said:

Hello, no that's not me. I would never dare to insult a Shia brother. That dude is some fool who looks to me like a Sunni extremist tbh. Thank god he got banned ;)

Liar.

You guys are both from Canada and are Pakistani.

Both Hanafi Sunni. Both completely and I mean over the top obsessed with Iran and Iranians and how they can remain being Shia!!

Both send a ton of annoying Private Messages.

I am not as stupid as you think. Go home kid and sip some of that Mountain Dew.

 

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6 hours ago, MuhammadXII said:

Yes. Zendegi is my favourite Iranian on this forum. He is an example of a true Shia and I love to see that from Iranians. Waiting for his reply. 

Can you like shut up kid? I don't want any kind of support from your kind. I really don't appreciate it.

 

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6 hours ago, Aabiss_Shakari said:

Come on be realistic. Western studies? I am least impressed by western studies. I am in Pakistan but educated enough to not be impressed by western media.

Something I agree on.

So many fallacies and biases on the part of the Western Media. Which is funded by rich oligarchs and the Murdoch media to get their views across.

This same Western media was the one that actually spoke for support of the war in Syria against Assad who I support and the same media that bough down and spread lies about Bernie Sanders. I can never trust it.

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45 minutes ago, Zendegi said:

Something I agree on.

So many fallacies and biases on the part of the Western Media. Which is funded by rich oligarchs and the Murdoch media to get their views across.

This same Western media was the one that actually spoke for support of the war in Syria against Assad who I support and the same media that bough down and spread lies about Bernie Sanders. I can never trust it.

That's not me but okay buddy. Besides, you didn't answer my question yet. Also, that guy got banned in March 2015. Hypothetically, why would he come back more than a year later and post? Don't you think that after he was blocked he wouldn't come back? I'm respectful of Iranians and Shias, it's you who is showing me hostility. 

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50 minutes ago, MuhammadXII said:

That's not me but okay buddy. Besides, you didn't answer my question yet. Also, that guy got banned in March 2015. Hypothetically, why would he come back more than a year later and post? Don't you think that after he was blocked he wouldn't come back? I'm respectful of Iranians and Shias, it's you who is showing me hostility. 

It obviously you kid. You are a troll that is what you are.

Defending yourself is worthless. You yourself made it fairly obvious.

Btw I would prefer if you could stop liking my posts. I don't agree with your views and your views don't align with mine.

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7 minutes ago, Zendegi said:

It obviously you kid. You are a troll that is what you are.

Defending yourself is worthless. You yourself made it fairly obvious.

Btw I would prefer if you could stop liking my posts. I don't agree with your views and your views don't align with mine.

But I like you bro. You are a good religious Shia from Iran. What's there not to like about that? Also, I'm not a kid. 

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I know tons of Iranian, Pakistani, Iraqi, Jordanian, Egyptian, you name it, Muslims in Canada that aren't religious. 

It's the environment. 

Despite my occasional prayer, attempts at fasting, and halal-but-ill-remove-pepperoni-off-the-pizza diet, I was the most religious of all the Muslims in the school. Except your typical hijab-wearing Muslim that attends the local mosque every Friday. 

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1 hour ago, Zendegi said:

It obviously you kid. You are a troll that is what you are

There do seem to be some similarities on the profiles (constantly liking posts, talking about Iran, supporting Shiites although they are Sunni) however if they claim it is not them I think we should not be so mean. It's not even 8am yet. 

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28 minutes ago, j.angel said:

There do seem to be some similarities on the profiles (constantly liking posts, talking about Iran, supporting Shiites although they are Sunni) however if they claim it is not them I think we should not be so mean.

Nah he only pretended. From the private messages that were sent me from his 'presumed' old account he ranted on about how he missed Iran being a Sunni country and if Iranians like me would like to convert to Sunni blah blah... He posted about how he thought jumping over fire is some sort of Shia practice. It was obvious he wan trolling even back then.

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On 8/20/2016 at 7:57 AM, MuhammadXII said:

I was wondering, why are the youth in Iran abandoning Islam at an alarming rate. Every single Iranian youth I have come across here in Canada is against Islam and anti-Islam. Furthermore, I heard that the youth in Iran is like this as well.

What those media express, is deemed as the view/rumor of opponent media. To be honest, I've encountered many such similar inquiries/rumors which demonstrate of diverse attempt of opponent  governments (enemies of Iran) by hiring (at least indirectly) many media to spread diverse wrong/negative/fake news about Iran to ... 

So, we ought not to be deceived of their exaggeration in present the statistics of Iran ...

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But about Iranians who are outside of Iran, particularly in western countries:

I do agree that many of them are not religious are perhaps not ..., but not all of them. But those minority who solely can be a very low percentages of all Iranians. Besides, this is not so odd if majority of abroad Iranians are not religious. Since many of them got out due to such issues and political ... (not all of them). Anyhow, based on WikiPedia, the population of abroad Iranians is around 4 or 5 millions, which I reckon it can be only about 6% of all Iranians (as Iran's population is 82.000.000). So, it is not so logic to judge by the beliefs of abroad Iranians.

And basically, Iranians (youth) inside Iran as the very high majority of Iranians population = have higher beliefs (at least basic beliefs of Islam) although if you see many of them with non-religious covering of clothes ... since the form of clothes and some society behaviour mainly is related to the effect of non-islamic media who ... otherwise their basic beliefs (mainly) is islamic even though some of them apparent ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_diaspora

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On 8/20/2016 at 7:57 AM, MuhammadXII said:

Is this true, are there any religious youth?

Of course there are many religious youth in Iran in diverse valleys/towns/cities. But as I remarked before, the apparent of many youth = you might see non-religious shapes, but majority of them at least have basic beliefs of Islam such as Allah/Prophet-Muhammad/Imam-Ali as ...

Even e.g. you can see in Muharram (especially in Taasu'aa-Ashura) how much they are eager in participating in Imam Hussain's rite's ...

Or even for Lailatul-Qadr as there seems to be more than 95% of youth who attend ...

But unfortunately many opponent media strive to show as if ... to defame/weaken Iran's ... On the other hand, the foreign readers ought to be aware/clever/honest/unbiased in surveying/judging ...

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On 8/20/2016 at 7:57 AM, MuhammadXII said:

Why is Tehran one of Iran's least religious cities? 

The answer is obvious, it is rather seems as a common issue in relatively all capital cities of the world (Islamic & non-Islamic capitals). For instance, you see why in Riadh (the capital of Saudi Arabia) the youth seems to be so non-religious rather than other cities of Saudi? Or even the capital of Iraq (Baghdad) in compare to other cities of Iraq? (especially in compare with many religious Shi'a cities of Iraq ...)?

I personally feel that:

At majority of time, increasing of level of the life (especially about money) and having diverse relationship to non-Islamic countries/people will effect on the culture ... 

But, most of the effects on many named capitals such as Tehran(Iran)/Riadh(Saudi)/Baghdad(Iraq) is related to the apparent of clothes/behaviour of the youth, not their basic beliefs (although if reduce to some how)

So, I reckon many partial media strive to zoom/exaggerate in Iran's issues, otherwise there are many real more negative issues in other near counties where do not notice them ...

E.g. you can see the situation/environment of Turkey people/youth as if they are ... (of course not all of them). But the media don't zoom on Turkey, why? Since perhaps ...!

 

Edited by Mohammad-Ali

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6 hours ago, j.angel said:

There do seem to be some similarities on the profiles (constantly liking posts, talking about Iran, supporting Shiites although they are Sunni) however if they claim it is not them I think we should not be so mean. It's not even 8am yet. 

Other weird thing is that he knew I was Iranian, where I never even mentioned that I was on this thread or on any other recent threads. Pretty creepy.

Its obvious its him.

Edited by Zendegi

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10 hours ago, j.angel said:

There do seem to be some similarities on the profiles (constantly liking posts, talking about Iran, supporting Shiites although they are Sunni) however if they claim it is not them I think we should not be so mean. It's not even 8am yet. 

Thank you for trusting me. 

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