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July War 10 Years Later

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum Brother Jackson,

As you know we have a burial place for Rajal Allah.  The area were the martyrs are buried is called Al Ghybara.  The municipality of Ghybara wanted to make the tombstone for Sayyid Hadi out of a fancy expensive granite as they did for Shahid 3mad Mogyniya and his brother in law Shahid Mostafa Baddredine.

Sayyid Hassan said absolutely not, I do not accept, my son is like all the other sons of the resistance.

There are plenty other stories, but this will never circulate in the mainstream media.  Because it goes against their agenda to see Sayyid as a warmonger, spiteful, terrorist man.

God bless you brother and don't worry about who or what people think of Sayyid.  Nothing they say or do has any effect towards him.  I don't think there is any other person in Lebanon where people make constant du32 for as much as Sayyid Hassan. 

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

 

 

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Respected brothers and sisters.. I will just shed some light on the given topic. The American War College(U.S. Army Combined Arms Center,Combat Studies Institute,Fort Leavenworth), published a report, a proper military report with the title We were caught Unprepared: the 2006 Hezbollah-Israel War for the unbelievers here is  the amazon link : https://www.amazon.com/Were-Caught-Unprepared-Hezbollah-Israeli-Occasional/dp/147816199X 

In this report they clearly admitted: the two biggest (so called) military powers on earth in present time, that we were unprepared, we were outsmarted. PERIOD.

Regards.

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The Shia of South Lebanon and Israel could have been allies from the early 80s after Israel took down their common enemy who were the PLO from South Lebanon.The Shia back then literally welcomed Israel with actual sweets and flowers, so much has changed....

I blame Israel for not attempting to cultivate relations with the Lebanese Shia in the first place, seeing them as mere insignificant group.  They wanted to rely on one ally the Lebsnese Maronites, because the looked rich and seemed Western, whereas the Shia were poor and helpless at the time. This turned out to be a huge miscalculation on their part.

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1 hour ago, Zendegi said:

The Shia of South Lebanon and Israel could have been allies from the early 80s after Israel took down their common enemy who were the PLO from South Lebanon.The Shia back then literally welcomed Israel with actual sweets and flowers, so much has changed....

I blame Israel for not attempting to cultivate relations with the Lebanese Shia in the first place, seeing them as mere insignificant group.  They wanted to rely on one ally the Lebsnese Maronites, because the looked rich and seemed Western, whereas the Shia were poor and helpless at the time. This turned out to be a huge miscalculation on their part.

Why would they want to be allies with Israel?

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7 hours ago, kirtc said:

Why would they want to be allies with Israel?

More for strategic reasons and there was a lot of potential at that time, especially with groups like Amal. Of course the reality on the ground has changed since then.

Even till to this to this day some Israeli politicians and Army generals regret not furthering their relationship with the Lebanese Shia. They even collectively admit for no reason they made the Lebanese Shia from seeing them as their liberators to later seeing them as their enemy and oppressors.

Things soon turned sour after the Ashura of 1983, where the Israelis accidentally crashed it obviously not being aware of the significance of the event and what it even was. The Israelis got really nervous when they saw large groups of mourners for security reasons and tried to break it up. In return many of the Shia began throwing stones, the patrol responded with gunshots and grenades, killing several in the crowd. The Israeli military realised their mistake soon after.

I suggest you read specifically Hezbollah: A Short History by Augustus Richard Norton, where there is such an overload of interesting and fascinating details that hardly get any attention.

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On 8/19/2016 at 1:48 AM, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

 

Assalam Alikum and Joum3a Mubaraka brothers and sisters.  Allah swt hasten the appearance of Sahab al 3sri wa zaman al Qaem Ahli Mohamed.

Cold, you are sharing pictures of Palestinian factions.  You were saying you have problems with Hezbollah.  Please stay on topic. 

You seem to have a problem of what sources I choose, that's fine, then I will just direct you to sources of what the enemy wrote about Hezbollah.  Perhaps that would be objective according to your liking.  One thing I want to point is I don't want to win your heart and mind of what you think of Hezb. lol  I think you have your mind set already.  I'm only explaining to the public eye whoever decides to read this to know the other side of the story and not what they are constantly feed in Western media.

Let us discuss then what were the objectives of the zionists during their Operation Change of Direction.

When the zionists declared war on Hezb, they had four objectives

1) The return of captive soldiers Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev;

2) a complete cease fire;

3) the deployment of the Lebanese army in all of southern Lebanon, and;

4) the expulsion of Hezbollah from southern Lebanon and the fulfillment of United Nations resolution 1559


Benjamin Lambeth author of "Air Operations in Isreal's War Against Hezbollah" had this to say about the July war: (Cold, I already know from previous posts you don't like to read long articles, so I bolded the parts for emphasis in case you only want to skim through)

According to Lambeth, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) had a fully developed contingency plan to battle Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, in circumstances closely resembling those that precipitated the 2006 war. Yet when the crisis broke out, neither the civilian leadership nor top military commanders were —to implement the contingency plan, which called for a large combined arms air and ground campaign into Lebanon. When the crisis arrived, no one wanted a repeat of either the 1982 war or the subsequent 18 year occupation of southern Lebanon.

The fact that the Hezbollah contingency plan was "dead on arrival" reveals the first civil-military lesson from 2006. Civilian and military leaders should regularly review on-the-shelf war plans, to assess their assumptions, check whether they are politically feasible, and determine whether they are a useful match with current strategic objectives.

Lambeth heaps the most blame on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who Lambeth believes made a severe blunder at the very beginning of the crisis by impetuously setting objectives that were unobtainable. Olmert's openly-stated goals were the return of the two captured Israeli soldiers, the suppression of Hezbollah rocket fire into Israel, and the removal of the Hezbollah military threat from southern Lebanon. Having established such maximal objectives -- seemingly blind to Israel's experience in Lebanon between 1982 and 2000 -- Olmert and his advisers then widened the gap between expectations and reality by choosing a military strategy -- stand-off bombardment only -- that did not have a chance of achieving those goals.

 

 

On this blessed day of Joum3, we ask Allah swt to continue the era of victories, Insh'Allah and may our eyes be filled with the appearance of Imam Mahdi.

You see him far but we see him near.

انهم يرونه بعيدا ونراه قريبا

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

Sorry, I don't have enough time to really read/respond to your whole post.  However, my arguement this entire time isn't that Israel won and Hezbollah lost.  My argument if you read closely is that Hezbollah's claim to victory is tainted by the fact that on a casualty basis and a destruction basis, it clearly lost.  Again, when you define winning as simply "not losing" it's not hard to claim victory.  Even if you lose more than 5x as many soldiers and incur millions in infrastructure damage, and sacrifice many civlians in the process.

Also, you shared the pic of the Israeli children.  I share the palestinian and lebanese children (below).  Hate breeds hate.  Your hatred of Israel (though you may claim you only hate the Zionists in Israel) will only bring hate back towards you, and this struggle will perpetuate.

There are wars where there are clear winners.  And there are wars where both sides lose.  

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On 8/19/2016 at 2:43 AM, baradar_jackson said:


That's brutal. Alhamdulillah that you were able to recognize the truth that many of us "born" Shias seem to struggle with.

 

@coldcow

 

Bro I forgot to mention this but from this post:

 

 

You are obviously implying that the Sayyed is a coward or that he is valuing his own safety over that of his people.

 

Sorry, didn't read your whole post.  Very busy, very little time.  But if the entire thing is based off this statement, read it again.  The poster I was quoting claimed standing on rubble you can still claim victory.  Where was Nasrallah to stand on rubble?  If the victory was so apparent, he would've come out of his bunker right away?  If the victory was anything more than just "not losing" he wouldn't have needed to stay in his bunker.

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18 hours ago, Zendegi said:

More for strategic reasons and there was a lot of potential at that time, especially with groups like Amal. Of course the reality on the ground has changed since then.

Even till to this to this day some Israeli politicians and Army generals regret not furthering their relationship with the Lebanese Shia. They even collectively admit for no reason they made the Lebanese Shia from seeing them as their liberators to later seeing them as their enemy and oppressors.

Things soon turned sour after the Ashura of 1983, where the Israelis accidentally crashed it obviously not being aware of the significance of the event and what it even was. The Israelis got really nervous when they saw large groups of mourners for security reasons and tried to break it up. In return many of the Shia began throwing stones, the patrol responded with gunshots and grenades, killing several in the crowd. The Israeli military realised their mistake soon after.

I suggest you read specifically Hezbollah: A Short History by Augustus Richard Norton, where there is such an overload of interesting and fascinating details that hardly get any attention.

it is irrelevant, stances change, parties change, everyone changes. Assuming the book you read suggests that that is the only reason the shias got mad at israel is hard to believe... in any case.. right now what hizbullah stands for, is the hizbullah we believe in and follow. Israel will be obliterated 

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8 hours ago, kirtc said:

it is irrelevant, stances change, parties change, everyone changes. Assuming the book you read suggests that that is the only reason the shias got mad at israel is hard to believe... in any case.. right now what hizbullah stands for, is the hizbullah we believe in and follow. Israel will be obliterated 

That's what I tried to point out to you in my earlier post, the situation on the groups has long changed.

Again that 1983 Ashura incident, wasn't the sole reason for why the relationship between the Israelis and Lebanese Shia got sour but yes it kind of was the initial spark for the conflict that was later to come. There were heaps of mistakes made on the part of the Israelis and the Lebanese Shia have very reason to be upset at them which I feel is justified but not to the current extent.

Hezbollah was formed by the more hardliner members of Amal who broke out of the party to form their own which would be inspired by the Revolution in Iran. Amal appealed to the more secular types of Shias.

Yes Hezbollah main goals is for Israel to be 'wiped of the map'. I question whether it is even practically possible? They are still trying to continue the age old fight with Israel but now over a really tiny piece of territory called the Sheba Farms? Its pointless.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Zendegi said:

That's what I tried to point out to you in my earlier post, the situation on the groups has long changed.

Again that 1983 Ashura incident, wasn't the sole reason for why the relationship between the Israelis and Lebanese Shia got sour but yes it kind of was the initial spark for the conflict that was later to come. There were heaps of mistakes made on the part of the Israelis and the Lebanese Shia have very reason to be upset at them which I feel is justified but not to the current extent.

Hezbollah was formed by the more hardliner members of Amal who broke out of the party to form their own which would be inspired by the Revolution in Iran. Amal appealed to the more secular types of Shias.

Yes Hezbollah main goals is for Israel to be 'wiped of the map'. I question whether it is even practically possible? They are still trying to continue the age old fight with Israel but now over a really tiny piece of territory called the Sheba Farms? Its pointless.

 

 

 

The story is bigger than that. It seems you dont believe in the shia narrative as many on this forum dont even understand. If you are interested.. i can explain it to you... 

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On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 7:22 PM, coldcow said:

Sorry, didn't read your whole post.  Very busy, very little time.  But if the entire thing is based off this statement, read it again.  The poster I was quoting claimed standing on rubble you can still claim victory.  Where was Nasrallah to stand on rubble?  If the victory was so apparent, he would've come out of his bunker right away?  If the victory was anything more than just "not losing" he wouldn't have needed to stay in his bunker.

Bismehe Ta3ala

Assalam Alikum,

Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah, the secretary general of Hezbollah, says the Lebanese resistance movement will defeat Israel in any potential new military confrontation waged by the Tel Aviv regime.

Speaking in an exclusive interview with al-Manar on Friday, Nasrallah said he is “confident” that Hezbollah “would emerge victorious from any new war with Israel.”

“After the (2006) war, I visited the Bekaa Valley and southern Lebanon. They (Israelis) say their achievement is that they forced me to hide in a bunker. That’s not true; I’ve met with many people away from the spotlight. I live and get around in a natural way. I do not live in a bunker,” the Hezbollah chief said.

God continue to give Sayyid the tawfeeq and keep him from harm's way.  We struggle for the love of this great religion.  You will also be asked on day of Judgement what you have done in your life to defend truth against falsehood. 2itaqa Allah( Fear Allah).

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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20 minutes ago, Zendegi said:

I thought you were going to explain to me the "Shia narrative"? I am interested to know.
 

 

In short, the mahdi will come, and who's side do you think he will be on? how long do you think the jews will reign their greed and arrogance on this earth? from theirs banks to their casinos, to their porn industry.... they have starved continents and usurped land after land, every major war in history has a jew/zionist/freemason/illuminati whatever you want to call them (they are all the same) behind them.. A small group of greedy satanic worshipers who think they can rule this world by deceit and corruption. The only true resistance to this global plot is the Shia, and its down to hizbullah,Iran and Yemen... Saudi arabia is trying to control yemen for israel, its trying to protect israel at the straight of aden from Iran, that is why when they lost it, they went to egypt to get those two islands... look at the map. The US is trying to stop bashar so that weapons stop from iran to hizbullah, nothing else.. It is all in the name of protecting Isarel. 

The Mahdi will come, what war do you think he will fight phillipines vs austrailia? or palestin vs israel? and whos side do you think hes on? and finally, how long do you think this world will go on the way it is?

They are on God's path and they will be victorious

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On ‎24‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 0:41 AM, kirtc said:

In short, the mahdi will come, and who's side do you think he will be on? how long do you think the jews will reign their greed and arrogance on this earth? from theirs banks to their casinos, to their porn industry.... they have starved continents and usurped land after land, every major war in history has a jew/zionist/freemason/illuminati whatever you want to call them (they are all the same) behind them.. A small group of greedy satanic worshipers who think they can rule this world by deceit and corruption. The only true resistance to this global plot is the Shia, and its down to hizbullah,Iran and Yemen... Saudi arabia is trying to control yemen for israel, its trying to protect israel at the straight of aden from Iran, that is why when they lost it, they went to egypt to get those two islands... look at the map. The US is trying to stop bashar so that weapons stop from iran to hizbullah, nothing else.. It is all in the name of protecting Isarel. 

The Mahdi will come, what war do you think he will fight phillipines vs austrailia? or palestin vs israel? and whos side do you think hes on? and finally, how long do you think this world will go on the way it is?

They are on God's path and they will be victorious

First of all I had like to point, yes I am a Shia who believes in the return of Imam Mehdi as we all do here.

In my view there is some misconceptions in a lot of what you have mentioned mostly related to the geopolitics with the added and lot of your ideas sound like mere 'fallacies' to me. At the same time I am not convinced of your portrayal of what will specifically occur but nevertheless I respect your beliefs that your hold dearly on this matter and don't wish to delve any further into the specifics of what you have said.

Its best we keep it at that.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Zendegi said:

First of all I had like to point, yes I am a Shia who believes in the return of Imam Mehdi as we all do here.

In my view there is some misconceptions in a lot of what you have mentioned mostly related to the geopolitics with the added and lot of your ideas sound like mere 'fallacies' to me. At the same time I am not convinced of your portrayal of what will specifically occur but nevertheless I respect your beliefs that your hold dearly on this matter and don't wish to delve any further into the specifics of what you have said.

Its best we keep it at that.

 

 

 

 

I agree, I'm not Shia but I believe in the coming of the Mahdi, not neccessarily his return (Sunnis have a different concept of Mahdi then Shias), but definitely his coming. 

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