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The Battle of Aleppo

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The media propaganda war, especially against Iran, and especially against shia's is raging fiercely on social media. I am terrified at what is unfolding.

May Allah bless you for updating us on the conflict. The shia have got to wake up and stand and be counted.

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For the first time since 2012, Christians of Aleppo are celebrating christmas! https://www.rt.com/news/371042-explosion-christmas-celebrations-aleppo/. And this is what the West was fighting against? Its sad that people when they blame Islam, they don't recognize its Wahhabism with the full backing of their hypocritical governments that want to ban other religions and promote terrorism. 

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Former British Ambassador to Syria:

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The West has condemned the bombing in Aleppo, yet similar attacks were being carried out in the Iraqi city of Mosul and in Yemen without the same amount of criticism from Britain, he claimed.

He went on: "We don't talk about atrocities; we don't talk about war crimes, although they are indisputably being committed in both those theatres."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38415504

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On 9-12-2016 at 10:07 PM, Hassan Y said:

To stop the terrorists from killing more Shias and protect the shrines and land of Syria.

You do know that the Russians and Bashar individually have killed far more SYRIANS than the rebels did?

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20 minutes ago, MuhammedAli said:

You do know that the Russians and Bashar individually have killed far more SYRIANS than the rebels did?

Where's your source? Who told you this?

Edited by Hassan Y

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Just now, Hassan Y said:

Where's your source? 

It was this realisation that made me leave pan-Arabism and Arab nationalism exactly one year ago. Before this is I was an Assad supporter, because of his nominal Baathism. It was still hard to justify my support for Assad, but I did it anyways.

 

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"Over a span of 305 days, beginning September 30, 2015 and lasting until July 31, 2016, Russia's campaign in Syria "has killed no less than 2,704 civilians including 746 children and 514 women."

By contrast, since ISIS emerged on April 9, 2013, the extremist terror group is responsible for the deaths of "no less than 2,686 civilians including 368 children."" (http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-isis-civilian-deaths-united-nations-syria-2016-8?international=true&r=US&IR=T)

" According to SOHR, Russian airstrikes in Syria killed 10,503 people, of which: 2,911 were ISIL fighters, 3,108 militants from the Al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front and other rebel forces and 4,484 civilians. The air strikes occurred in the period between 30 September 2015 and 30 November 2016. "

http://whoiskillingciviliansinsyria.org/

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http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-isis-civilian-deaths-united-nations-syria-2016-8?international=true&r=UK&IR=T

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-has-killed-more-civilians-than-isis-kg7wfsw8w

 

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@MuhammedAli Ok here is your problem, your sources are very weak. Syrian observatory of Human Rights is a UK based organisation providing data to the Western press about troop movements and government policy in Syria. The western media then reprints the information they are given no questions asked.  What Western media editors conceal from the public however is that the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is neither based in Syria nor is it an observer of what actually goes on there. It is one man, Abdul Rahman, aka Rami Abdulrahman, aka Osama Suleiman.  Rahman by his own admission, is a member of the Syrian opposition and seeks the ouster of Assad, so that clearly removes any semblance of objectivity in his reporting.

All your information is from western media aka anti Assad media. There is no doubt about it that they will do everything in there power to make Assad look bad to the world, and sadly its working. They spread propaganda and lies, we must educate ourselves in finding the real truth.

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@MuhammedAli Most of the deaths of innocent civilians were by the rebels and ISIS. Look at this for example: https://www.rt.com/news/364860-aleppo-rebels-army-syria/ 84 innocent people killed by rebels, do you ever see this in western media? No you don't. All they publish is Assad killing innocent people every day and there sources being Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. Assad has killed innocent civilians in this war I'm not denying that, but in a war there will ALWAYS be civilian casualties no matter how much you try to prevent it. Most of the people Assad has killed were terrorists, but the western media is quick to tell everyone that those terrorists were innocent women and children. When Assad bombs and kills 30 terrorists for example, instead of the media telling the truth they be like "The government forces just bombed a hospital and killed 30 innocent women and children". 

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8 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

@MuhammedAli Ok here is your problem, your sources are very weak. Syrian observatory of Human Rights is a UK based organisation providing data to the Western press about troop movements and government policy in Syria. The western media then reprints the information they are given no questions asked.  What Western media editors conceal from the public however is that the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is neither based in Syria nor is it an observer of what actually goes on there. It is one man, Abdul Rahman, aka Rami Abdulrahman, aka Osama Suleiman.  Rahman by his own admission, is a member of the Syrian opposition and seeks the ouster of Assad, so that clearly removes any semblance of objectivity in his reporting.

All your information is from western media aka anti Assad media. There is no doubt about it that they will do everything in there power to make Assad look bad to the world, and sadly its working. They spread propaganda and lies, we must educate ourselves in finding the real truth.

I take these sources any day before RT, Sputnik or any other Kremlin propaganda channel.

But alright, for the sake of the argument I agree with you. What if they are fake. That doesn't negate the fact that almost 500.000 Syrians died in this which could easily have been averted.

 

6 March

 

In Daraa, fifteen teenagers were arrested for writing "the people want the regime to fall" on walls across the city. Supposedly the military police tortured them,  or had carried them handcuffed out of their classroom.

 

7 March

One day before the 48th anniversary of the 8 March 1963 coup d'état, which led to a permanent state of emergency in force ever since, thirteen political prisoners in Syria went on hunger strike, demanding an end to political arrests and the restitution of rights that have been removed from civil and political life.

 

12 March

Thousands of Syrian Kurds protested in al-Qamishli and in al-Hasakah, on the day of Kurdish martyrs, commemorating the 30 Kurds that were killed by police after riots broke out at a football game in March 2004.

 

Tuesday 15 March, - Day of Rage

Hundreds staged protests in Damascus and Aleppo, calling for democratic reforms. The protest in Damascus was violently dispersed, six protesters were detained by security forces.

 

16 March

Demonstrations took place in Marjeh Square in Damascus, near the Interior Ministry, calling for release of political prisoners. Police threatened them with batons and arrested scores of protesters.

 

In Daraa, protests started in the al-Balad neighborhood, in reaction to the imprisonment 15 local teenagers by military police.

 

Also in Aleppo, Al-Hasakah, Deir ez-Zor and Hama protestors gathered, sources in Syria said; reportedly there were some clashes with security forces. The state news service SANA called the protests the work of outside agitators.

 

Friday 18 March 2011 – "Day of Dignity"

In Daraa, possibly thousands of locals gathered peacefully, and marched through the city, chanting: "God, Syria, Freedom", and demanding release of the teenagers detained since 6 March and calling for democracy, greater freedom, political freedom and an end to corruption. Security forces opened fire on the crowd killing four.

 

In Damascus, a crowd, 200-strong, at the Ummayad Mosque tried to march, chanting: "God, Syria and freedom only", they were attacked by a pro-government group, or forcefully dispersed by plainclothes police wielding batons witnesses said, and 30 were arrested.

 

In Homs, 2,000 gathered by the Khaled bin al Walid mosque, they were assaulted and some were arrested. In Baniyas hundreds of protesters gathered, they were repressed violently.

 

Saturday 19 March 2011

At funerals in Daraa of two victims of the day before, 10,000 people demonstrated chanting: "The blood of our martyrs won’t be forgotten". Security forces used tear gas, and shot live ammunition at the mourners, killing six protesters and injuring 100.

 

This is the moment Bashar al-Assad should have thought: "Too many people have been killed and the country is spiralling into chaos. I should lift the state of emergency soon and implement constitutional changes." We are not even talking about stepping down here. Instead of doing that he became more aggressive. This is the exact moment he lost all credibility.

 

I denied this for a very long time saying "Syria is infiltrated by western spies", but this is a rediculous claim. My Egyptian Nasserist ideology blinded me and I couldn't take it anymore.

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@Hassan Y I assume you're a Lebanese Shia and you are thus pro-Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an ally of Bashar so you support Bashar. You have every right to do that but keep honest. Don't try to make him look like a good guy or a hero. It's disrespectful to the good Syrian people who I love like my own. Especially to the ones who lost their lives for something stupid like the Russian-Iranian axis in the theatre of international politics.

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5 minutes ago, MuhammedAli said:

I take these sources any day before RT, Sputnik or any other Kremlin propaganda channel.

But alright, for the sake of the argument I agree with you. What if they are fake. That doesn't negate the fact that almost 500.000 Syrians died in this which could easily have been averted.

This is the moment Bashar al-Assad should have thought: "Too many people have been killed and the country is spiralling into chaos. I should lift the state of emergency soon and implement constitutional changes." We are not even talking about stepping down here. Instead of doing that he became more aggressive. This is the exact moment he lost all credibility.

 

I denied this for a very long time saying "Syria is infiltrated by western spies", but this is a rediculous claim. My Egyptian Nasserist ideology blinded me and I couldn't take it anymore.

You really think sources like SOHR which is run by one man in the UK is more credible then the Syrian Army? 

You're talking as if no one is involved in this Syrian war but it's own people. There was 20+ nations that conspired against Assad to remove him from power. There was thousands upon thousands of foreign mercenaries that came to Syria to fight him. There was over 30+ different rebel terrorists groups from the start of the war until now that were being funded by the Saudis and the west to remove Assad from power. This all started in the spring, the beginning of the civil war. Protests against Assad were happening, the protesters got violent and so did the police, both were at fault there but we aren't arguing about whose fault it was for the start of the civil war, we are simply arguing about who killed and terrorised the innocent civilians more. I don't know what Assad did before the Syrian war, but during the Syrian war Assad has a lot less blood on his hands then the 30+ rebel groups and ISIS that were being funded by Saudi and the West. 

 

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1 minute ago, MuhammedAli said:

@Hassan Y I assume you're a Lebanese Shia and you are thus pro-Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an ally of Bashar so you support Bashar. You have every right to do that but keep honest. Don't try to make him look like a good guy or a hero. It's disrespectful to the good Syrian people who I love like my own. Especially to the ones who lost their lives for something stupid like the Russian-Iranian axis in the theatre of international politics.

I only support Assad for the sake of the Syrian war, nothing else. As a person, I don't think he is a good guy he has done many bad things in his life time. No Shia thinks he is a good person, but we all agree that he must remain in power in Syria because the alternative is worse.

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5 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

You really think sources like SOHR which is run by one man in the UK is more credible then the Syrian Army? 

You're talking as if no one is involved in this Syrian war but it's own people. There was 20+ nations that conspired against Assad to remove him from power. There was thousands upon thousands of foreign mercenaries that came to Syria to fight him. There was over 30+ different rebel terrorists groups from the start of the war until now that were being funded by the Saudis and the west to remove Assad from power. This all started in the spring, the beginning of the civil war. Protests against Assad were happening, the protesters got violent and so did the police, both were at fault there but we aren't arguing about whose fault it was for the start of the civil war, we are simply arguing about who killed and terrorised the innocent civilians more. I don't know what Assad did before the Syrian war, but during the Syrian war Assad has a lot less blood on his hands then the 30+ rebel groups and ISIS that were being funded by Saudi and the West. 

 

Mind you the timeline I shared is shows the very beginning when there weren't any foreign fighters in Syria. These were all Syrians and all the detentions and violent surpressing of the protests were carried out by Bashars own men. If it is indeed a part of a 'conspiracy' Bashar proved himself to be a foolish leader then. Too stupid to avert chaos and destruction = unworthy of leading the country. Should have packed his bags and let another Alawite Baathist rule IF he cared about the future of Syria of course.

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8 minutes ago, MuhammedAli said:

Mind you the timeline I shared is shows the very beginning when there weren't any foreign fighters in Syria. These were all Syrians and all the detentions and violent surpressing of the protests were carried out by Bashars own men. If it is indeed a part of a 'conspiracy' Bashar proved himself to be a foolish leader then. Too stupid to avert chaos and destruction = unworthy of leading the country. Should have packed his bags and let another Alawite Baathist rule IF he cared about the future of Syria of course.

I'm not denying the fact that he committed a lot of evil things to his people, the Syrian people have the right to have fair elections and choose who their leader should be. But now the war in Syria isn't even a civil war anymore, its past that, it's a world war 3 proxy war. So many nations are involved for there political interest. You have to look at the bigger picture now, Assad cannot step down because that will only bring victory to the West and Saudi Arabia. The West wants Assad to step down because Assad does not bow down to them like the other Arab countries, he doesn't treat the U.S as his master, and because of that they want to replace him with someone who can be controlled by them. If you care about Syria, than Assad has to remain in power or else the rebels or ISIS will take over. After the defeat of the rebels/ISIS, and the liberation of Syria, than Assad can step down or grant his people fair elections.

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3 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

I'm not denying the fact that he committed a lot of evil things to his people, the Syrian people have the right to have fair elections and choose who their leader should be. But now the war in Syria isn't even a civil war anymore, its past that, it's a world war 3 proxy war. So many nations are involved for there political interest. You have to look at the bigger picture now, Assad cannot step down because that will only bring victory to the West and Saudi Arabia. The West wants Assad to step down because Assad does not bow down to them like the other Arab countries, he doesn't treat the U.S as his master, and because of that they want to replace him with someone who can be controlled by them. If you care about Syria, than Assad has to remain in power or else the rebels or ISIS will take over. After the defeat of the rebels/ISIS, and the liberation of Syria, than Assad can step down or grant his people fair elections.

My whole life I viewed the USA-Israeli-KSA alliance as the Satan on earth. Until this civil war. After the Russian I kind of shifted the axis. I thought that Russia was a courages partizan determined to combat US imperialism, but it turned out that they are basically the same or even worse than the USA. Their goal in Syria is to keep Bashar in power and have no regards for the Syrian people. In another way it can be expected because Russia is not Arabic, nor muslim. Syrians are not their people.

I can make peace in my mind with Bashar staying in power only if he manages to remove the Russian domination from Syria. They are not to be trusted for one bit. We Arabs have suffered more than enough under foreign superpowers.

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Just now, MuhammedAli said:

My whole life I viewed the USA-Israeli-KSA alliance as the Satan on earth. Until this civil war. After the Russian I kind of shifted the axis. I thought that Russia was a courages partizan determined to combat US imperialism, but it turned out that they are basically the same or even worse than the USA. Their goal in Syria is to keep Bashar in power and have no regards for the Syrian people. In another way it can be expected because Russia is not Arabic, nor muslim. Syrians are not their people.

I can make peace in my mind with Bashar staying in power only if he manages to remove the Russian domination from Syria. They are not to be trusted for one bit. We Arabs have suffered more than enough under foreign superpowers.

Every country is involved for their own interest, whether its Russia, USA, Saudi, Europe. Syria is allied with Russia because they desperately need Russia, nothing other than that. Me and you both want peace in the middle east, and we both want the destruction of ISIS and other terrorists. Lets hope it happens one day.

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1 minute ago, Hassan Y said:

Every country is involved for their own interest, whether its Russia, USA, Saudi, Europe. Syria is allied with Russia because they desperately need Russia, nothing other than that. Me and you both want peace in the middle east, and we both want the destruction of ISIS and other terrorists. Lets hope it happens one day.

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9 hours ago, MuhammedAli said:

You do know that the Russians and Bashar individually have killed far more SYRIANS than the rebels did?

I remember when Syria was peaceful for all, before the western backed rebels. Israel has backed them as well, does that not concern you?

 

 

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