jewish geocide

[dudebro123]

according to widely accepted historical evidence, after the battle of the trench, the banu qurayza, due to their teachery, were condemned. they had also surrendered. a judge was chosen acceptable to both the qurazyza and the prophet and his followers, who decreed that all the men be put to death and the women and children be enslaved. apparently, the muslims acted in acordance with this decree. i refuse to believe that the prophet would allow such an act, even after the surrender of the banu  qurayza. the quran decrees the killling of prisoners of war unlawful, and aims to abolish slavery. so why would muhammad and his followers kill a whole tribe and enslave the innocent women and children of the tribe? 

[amirhosein_88]

43 minutes ago, dudebro123 said:

according to widely accepted historical evidence, after the battle of the trench, the banu qurayza, due to their teachery, were condemned. they had also surrendered. a judge was chosen acceptable to both the qurazyza and the prophet and his followers, who decreed that all the men be put to death and the women and children be enslaved. apparently, the muslims acted in acordance with this decree. i refuse to believe that the prophet would allow such an act, even after the surrender of the banu  qurayza. the quran decrees the killling of prisoners of war unlawful, and aims to abolish slavery. so why would muhammad and his followers kill a whole tribe and enslave the innocent women and children of the tribe? 

Salamun alaykum.

Recently, there are new researches about his event which reject some of its main details.

There is an interesting article in Persian language:

http://www.hawzah.net/fa/Question/View/64047

For now, I have no time to translate but maybe one the Persian-speaking people might do the job.

[Mohammadi_follower]

44 minutes ago, amirhosein_88 said:

Salamun alaykum.

Recently, there are new researches about his event which reject some of its main details.

There is an interesting article in Persian language:

http://www.hawzah.net/fa/Question/View/64047

For now, I have no time to translate but maybe one the Persian-speaking people might do the job.

What are the main points rejected ? 

[gentleman.]

2 hours ago, dudebro123 said:

according to widely accepted historical evidence, after the battle of the trench, the banu qurayza, due to their teachery, were condemned. they had also surrendered. a judge was chosen acceptable to both the qurazyza and the prophet and his followers, who decreed that all the men be put to death and the women and children be enslaved. apparently, the muslims acted in acordance with this decree. i refuse to believe that the prophet would allow such an act, even after the surrender of the banu  qurayza. the quran decrees the killling of prisoners of war unlawful, and aims to abolish slavery. so why would muhammad and his followers kill a whole tribe and enslave the innocent women and children of the tribe? 

The Jews of Banu Qurayza were beheaded, because of the following story:

During the battle of Ahd'ab, the Jews who had a contract with the Muslims, based on that never help any Muslim's enemy, betrayed and broke the agreement and helped the pagans. So, after the battle, the Muslims turned to them.

The Muslims surrendered the Jews for 25 days. After a while, Imam Ali (a.s) and Zobair, went across the Jews castle and Imam Ali (a.s) called: today, I will be martyred like Hamza, or conquer the castle. Then, the Jews feared and accepted the Sa'ad Ibn Ma'az's judgment.

He (Sa'ad) said: kill all men and capture all kids and women.

And because they accepted his judgment and also the Jews betrayed Muslims, the holy prophet admitted that.

For more information, see: Al Siratu Nabavia' (Ibn Ishaq)

[DigitalUmmah]

 

2 hours ago, dudebro123 said:

according to widely accepted historical evidence, after the battle of the trench, the banu qurayza, due to their teachery, were condemned. they had also surrendered. a judge was chosen acceptable to both the qurazyza and the prophet and his followers, who decreed that all the men be put to death and the women and children be enslaved. apparently, the muslims acted in acordance with this decree. i refuse to believe that the prophet would allow such an act, even after the surrender of the banu  qurayza. the quran decrees the killling of prisoners of war unlawful, and aims to abolish slavery. so why would muhammad and his followers kill a whole tribe and enslave the innocent women and children of the tribe? 

guys guys

the jews were not subject to muslim sharia law, since they were not muslims nor living under a muslim rulership. as @gentleman. said, they instead had a treaty with the muslims. as such, the punishment for oath breaking/ treachery that they faced was given by the jewish leaders/ priests themselves, or by a sahaba called sad bin muaz (who knew jewish law regarding treachery) carried out by the muslims.

 

[ShiaMan14]

5 hours ago, dudebro123 said:

according to widely accepted historical evidence, after the battle of the trench, the banu qurayza, due to their teachery, were condemned. they had also surrendered. a judge was chosen acceptable to both the qurazyza and the prophet and his followers, who decreed that all the men be put to death and the women and children be enslaved. apparently, the muslims acted in acordance with this decree. i refuse to believe that the prophet would allow such an act, even after the surrender of the banu  qurayza. the quran decrees the killling of prisoners of war unlawful, and aims to abolish slavery. so why would muhammad and his followers kill a whole tribe and enslave the innocent women and children of the tribe? 

I have had this discussion with several people outside of ShiaChat. It is somewhat of a shocking event until it is broken down into the details to see what actually happened.

1) The Banu Qurayza tribe made a committment to the Muslims that they would not allow the Kuffar army through their lands on the way to Medina.

2) When the Kuffar came, for whatever reason, the Banu Qurayza tribe decided to let them through thereby reneging on the deal with the Prophet/Muslims.

3) The Kuffar came and went without much of a fight at the Battle of the Trench

4) Once the battle was over, the Muslims went back to Medina but then were told (by Jibrael) to head to the Banu Qurayza tribe to find out the reason for their betrayal and treason. They headed into their stronghold and remained under siege for 25 days.

5) Different options were discussed by the Banu Qurayza and Banu Aws but none materialized so they surrendered to Muhammad. The Banu Aws ( Banu Qurayza allies) asked Muhammad to treat the Banu Qurayza leniently as he had previously treated the Banu Qaynuqa.

6) Prophet was under pressure from the Muslims to treat the Banu Qurayza harshly due to their treason but decided to leave the matter to an arbitrator from Banu Aws (Banu Qurayza allies) chosen/agreed by Banu Aws & Qurayza together. All parties agreed upon Saad ibn Muaadh who was from Banu Aws and a Muslim.

7) Arbitration by a third party was a common Arabian tradition at that time. Allowing the allies of the criminals to choose the arbitrator was nothing short of mercy by the Prophet despite immense pressure by the Muslims calling for blood.

8) The Banu Aws pleaded Saad for leniency towards the Qurayza and on his request pledged that they would abide by his decision.

9) Saad (arbitrator of Aws choosing and agreed upon by Qurayza) decreed that the Banu Qurayza should be treated per the Torah since they were Jewish specifically Deuteronomy 20:10-14 which reads:
10 “When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. 11 If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. 12 However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. 13 When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. 14 Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you.

10) Banu Qurayza were treated about as fairly as can be expected since they chose to remain under siege, then they chose the arbitrator, they chose to abide by his ruling.

What decision of the Prophet do you disagree with as listed above? Perhaps the Prophet or other Muslims influenced Saad; perhaps not. The only thing we can sure off is that no tribe reneged on a deal with the Muslims again.