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How Should We Respond to Palestinian Knife Attacks

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I am was wondering as Muslims how and what should be our response to these attacks.

 

We are against Israel's occupation but at the same time we are also against senseless violence committed by anyone.

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Ibn Sina why don't you tell us about Quran? What does it say? Are you trying to justify the Salafi-Wahabi brutal murder of a teen girl?

This is totally a madness anyways! They go and fight a WAR in Syria and kill hundreds of ppl daily in all fronts and even they go to Iraq, but they pull some knife game in Palestine instead of fighting the Israeli army? Totally a setup and hurting themselves... the most stupid methods in today's world.. and forget about the excuses that they don't have resources and etc..

Israeli is an occupier or not, the lands are stolen or not, the war against Palestine is wrong or not, has nothing to do with SUNNI-SALAFI-WAHABI methods of "Jihad" and committing crimes during or after the wars..

They use the worst punishment and brutal tactics that once were practiced by the ppl of Jahilya and they label them Islamic... They also go and blow up themselves in supermarkets in Iraq, and slaughter the women and children of different sects in Syria under the pretext of Jihad. They enslave women for sex and eat livers and call it Jihad-Akbar.

We shouldn't agree or attach ourselves to these ppl..

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If this happened to a 13 year old Palestinian girl all of Shiachat and Muslims would be up in arms condemning this and demonizing the Israelis at this very moment?

May this innocent girl rest in peace. All sorts of violence no matter who ever its perpetrated is strongly condemnable in the strictest terms. No ifs no buts.

Where is @repenter@mina@baradar_jackson@Sumayyeh? Nothing to say or just going to keep quiet?

 

 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Zendegi said:

If this happened to a 13 year old Palestinian girl all of Shiachat and Muslims would be up in arms condemning this and demonizing the Israelis at this very moment?

May this innocent girl rest in peace. All sorts of violence no matter who ever its perpetrated is strongly condemnable in the strictest terms. No ifs no buts.

Where is @repenter@mina@baradar_jackson@Sumayyeh? Nothing to say or just going to keep quiet?

It's because we aren't stupid enough to share every single opinion we have publicly. Maybe you should learn from that, maybe your performance online would improve.

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Some people like to make a lot of noise when Palestinians get killed by Israelis but when the opposite happens no one makes a sound.

Look @mina a person who often angrily posts about Palestinians getting attacked and killed by Israelis. They have an agenda and there is a lot of hypocrisy and bias in Mina's posts. They regularly and proudly 'curse' all Israelis and go on about these false allegations.

Mina never sees the other side to the story of Palestinians committing murders and violence against innocent Israelis though guns, bombs and knives. I would assume Mina find these acts of violence committed by Palestinians against these wretched 'Zionists' (Innocent Israelis) as quite pleasing and perfectly fine?

 

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13 minutes ago, Zendegi said:

Some people like to make a lot of noise when Palestinians get killed by Israelis but when the opposite happens no one makes a sound.

Look @mina a person who often angrily posts about Palestinians getting attacked and killed by Israelis. They have an agenda and there is a lot of hypocrisy and bias in Mina's posts. They regularly and proudly 'curse' all Israelis and go on about these false allegations.

Mina never sees the other side to the story of Palestinians committing murders and violence against innocent Israelis though guns, bombs and knives. I would assume Mina find these acts of violence committed by Palestinians against these wretched 'Zionists' (Innocent Israelis) as quite pleasing and perfectly fine?

 

It is because Israels are enjoying their life and taking the rights, life and properties of Palestinians, while Palestinians are suffering all these 70 years. What does Palestinians take from them? Of course they only have revenge or be silent. And they suffer from both of them.

Should Israel get same noises/feelings than the Palestinians? No, they should not.

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23 minutes ago, Dhulfikar said:

It is because Israels are enjoying their life and taking the rights, life and properties of Palestinians, while Palestinians are suffering all these 70 years. What does Palestinians take from them? Of course they only have revenge or be silent. And they suffer from both of them.

Should Israel get same noises/feelings than the Palestinians? No, they should not.

Its the Israeli government/leaders not the Israeli people that should be held accountable for controlling the rights of the Palestinians and depriving them of a nation state. I am not going to go into the history but a lot of the blame goes on the Palestinian and Arab leadership in general for not achieving a state for the Palestinians.

I don't agree with the loss of innocent life perpetrated by any side. Its as simple as that, whether it be Palestinian or Israeli civilians who mostly have nothing to do with the politics or the actions committed by their leaders. If you are angry about something you don't go kill and terrorise an innocent civilian. You do it peacefully with protests and demonstrations which are non-violent.

A killed Israeli civilian deserves as much empathy as a killed Palestinian civilian. No people have more value than the other. We should put ourselves in the shoes of both these people and see how we would react to one of our loved ones lost to terror.

 

 

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^ Well I don't believe in  "It is Israel Government fault only" crap, because the Israel people have right to go against their government, but why they should go against it when they have all those wonderful rights and economy? Have you even witnessed the Israels people hate towards Arabs? That itself show how much these Israels don't even care of Palestinians in first place.

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I don't agree with the loss of innocent life perpetrated by any side. Its as simple as that, whether it be Palestinian or Israeli civilians who mostly have nothing to do with the politics or the actions committed by their leaders. If you are angry about something you don't go kill and terrorise an innocent civilian. You do it peacefully with protests and demonstration which are non-violent.

Not everything is political. Both sides kill each others by hatred or revenge. And it should be condemn it. I'm not saying that the act is allowed. What I don't accept it is the mentality to think that these Israels somehow deserve same empathy than the Palestinians. Even Iraqis deserve more empathy than Americans or Turkey, but of course that's never happens.

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8 minutes ago, Dhulfikar said:

^ Well I don't believe in  "It is Israel Government fault only" crap, because the Israel people have right to go against their government, but why they should go against it when they have all those wonderful rights? Have you even witnessed the Israels people hate towards Arabs? That itself show how much these Israels don't even care of Palestinians in first place.

Not everything is political. Both sides kill each others by hatred or revenge. And it should be condemn it. I'm not saying that the act is allowed. What I don't accept it is the mentality to think that these Israels somehow deserve same empathy than the Palestinians. Even Iraqis deserve more empathy than Americans or Turkey, but of course that's never happens.

Likewise blame and disregard all American people for the actions of their government even though they have the right go against the US Government. Works both ways. Americans are generally nice people, so are Israelis and everyone else.

There are a lot of Arabs living in peace amongst Jews in Israel proper and so it is not right to generalize that all Israelis hate Palestinians and Arabs. 

They do deserve the same amount empathy as does any Human being regardless of their race or religions, if they were killed innocently. Like I said no human has more value than another.

 

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Likewise blame and disregard all American people for the actions of their government even though they have the right go against the US Government. Works both ways. Americans are generally nice people, so are Israelis and everyone else.

No. Nowhere I said anything about disregarding all the people. What I said it is also the people fault to change the issues how the government handle Palestinians.

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Americans are generally nice people, so are Israelis and everyone else.

Really? What is your proof for such a claim?

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There are a lot of Arabs living in peace amongst Jews in Israel proper and so it is not right to generalize that all Israelis hate Palestinians and Arabs. 

Majority hates Arabs.

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They do deserve the same amount empathy as does any Human being regardless of their race or religions, if they were killed innocently. Like I said no human has more value than another.

I don't believe in such a thing. I believe people have more empathy than others.

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41 minutes ago, Dhulfikar said:

1.No. Nowhere I said anything about disregarding all the people. What I said it is also the people fault to change the issues how the government handle Palestinians.

2.Really? What is your proof for such a claim?

3.Majority hates Arabs.

4.I don't believe in such a thing. I believe people have more empathy than others.

1. I don't think they can do much as the West Bank itself is kind of under Military law and occupation as the status of it remains at a status quo and undetermined especially with pressure from foreign governments and international organisations like the UN on Israel.

2. What I meant was most people would prefer to live in peace and harmony with one another without resorting to violence and chaos. Isn't it true that most people around the world are like that?

3. If most Israelis hated Arabs they would have already terrorised and kicked out the more than a million Israeli Arabs living peacefully amongst Jews and quashed all the benefits that the country offers them. Definitely a segment of the Israeli population would definitely practice hate against Arabs and so would a segment of the Arab population do the same.

4. Then there is something definitely wrong with you I am afraid.

 

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1. I don't think they can do much as the West Bank itself is kind of under Military law and occupation as the status of it remains at a status quo and undetermined especially with pressure from foreign governments and international organisations like the UN on Israel.

People have more power to topple their government laws than you may think.

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2. What I meant was most people would prefer to live in peace and harmony with one another without resorting to violence and chaos. 

Not when they are in the situation of Israel and Palestine.

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3. If most Israelis hated Arabs they would have already terrorised and kicked out the more than a million Israeli Arabs living peacefully amongst Jews and quashed all the benefits that the country offers them. Definitely a segment of the Israeli population would definitely practice hate against Arabs and so would a segment of the Arab population do the same.

In these 70 years they have not already archived even worse than the one you stated? Be a realistic for once.

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4. Then there is something definitely wrong with you I am afraid

Thank God there is nothing wrong with me.

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8 minutes ago, Dhulfikar said:

1. People have more power to topple their government laws than you may think.

2, Not when they are in the situation of Israel and Palestine.

3. In these 70 years they have not already archived even worse than the one you stated? Be a realistic for once.

4. Thank God there is nothing wrong with me.

1. The Military and Supreme Courts overrule much of this and make regulations for the West Bank since its not by litigation technically apart of Israel proper.

2. Do you actually think both Israeli and Palestinian people always desire and crave for violence and chaos every time? That's crazy and most would prefer to live in peace with their family and friends as any person would prefer regardless of where they live in the world.

3. You first said the majority hate Arabs? Yet when Israeli Arabs can vote, get government benefits, own land, practice their religion, peacefully protest, freedom of expression and have so many other rights and freedoms more than most Arab countries offer to even their citizens. I am being realistic despite you not trying to answer the specifics of what I mentioned in regard to your past posts.

4. You are one despicable human being for saying some race or ethnicity has more value than another. In turn deserves more empathy when innocent civilians are killed. How fascist?

 

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1. The Military and Supreme Courts overrule much of this and make regulations for the West Bank since its not by litigation technically apart of Israel proper.

But do you agree that Israelis citizens have right to go against their government in the issue of Palestine, if they decide with masses to go out and protest?

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2. Do you actually think both Israeli and Palestinian people always desire and crave for violence and chaos every time? That's crazy and most would prefer to live in peace with their family and friends as any person would prefer regardless of where they live in the world.

Try to understand that when one group think the land belongs to their people, showing hatred for others is the result.

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3. You first said the majority hate Arabs? Yet when Israeli Arabs can vote, get government benefits, own land, practice their religion, peacefully protest, freedom of expression and have so many other rights and freedoms more than most Arab countries offer to even their citizens. I am being realistic despite you not trying to answer the specifics of what I mentioned in regard to your past posts.

These are the Isreali citizens advantage. It doesn't tell anything about Isreal Jewish hating Arabs.

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4. You are one despicable human being for saying some race or ethnicity has more value than another. In turn deserves more empathy when innocent civilians are killed. How fascist?

You are exaggerating my words.

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Firstly, she is not young enough to be inherently innocent. This is not a 5 year old child, this is a thirteen year old in a highly militaristic society that has probably already indoctrinated her into the glory of such and such. I am not saying she is a war criminal and deserved this and that. But she's not a child.

 

Secondly and most importantly, there are greater and lesser injustices. If an innocent person is killed, this is a tragedy. If an entire nation are treated like caged animals, is this not a greater injustice? Now, with this in mind, and with the knowledge that Israel is more and more desperate for PR nowadays, would it make sense to come and trip over ourselves condemning this injustice which is a drop of water in the vast sea of injustices committed by the Zionist regime? 

 

Thirdly, Israel is a complicit society. The Israeli populace is not sheltered from their country's war crimes like, say, the Americans or British. They cannot bring the same excuses as other peoples. They cannot say, "we did not know what was going on!" They see it every day. Their choice to continue to live there and do nothing, makes them complicit. As such, this changes the whole innocence dynamic. Whereas in most societies, civilians as a whole should be considered innocent, this is not the case in the garrison known as "Israel."

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Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem

All attacks on civilians, regardless of nationality or religion, are to be condemned. 

I can't agree with the arguments put forward by the brothers/sisters in this thread.

-Islam does not distinguish between numbers of civilians, the Qur'an clearly states in Surah Ma'idah that taking even one innocent life is like killing all of mankind

-Islam does not punish someone for a crime they have not yet committed. To claim that all Israeli civilians are a legitimate target because one day they may have to do their military service is not a justified position.

-The argument that the Israeli population (as a whole) is complicit in the policies of their government cannot be limited to Israel alone. ISIS could use the same argument to justify attacks on the French population due to the bombing of Syrian civilians. The population of Israel are not more responsible for the acts of their government than those of any other nation (France, USA, UK etc..). 

 

Wallahu A'lam

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On ‎9‎/‎07‎/‎2016 at 7:12 PM, repenter said:

It's because we aren't stupid enough to share every single opinion we have publicly. Maybe you should learn from that, maybe your performance online would improve.

Its not about being stupid. Its about knowing your true honest views. To see whether your caring and loving person and that you regard all human lives equally. That you don't pick and choose.

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7 hours ago, Follower said:

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem

All attacks on civilians, regardless of nationality or religion, are to be condemned. 

I can't agree with the arguments put forward by the brothers/sisters in this thread.

-Islam does not distinguish between numbers of civilians, the Qur'an clearly states in Surah Ma'idah that taking even one innocent life is like killing all of mankind

-Islam does not punish someone for a crime they have not yet committed. To claim that all Israeli civilians are a legitimate target because one day they may have to do their military service is not a justified position.

-The argument that the Israeli population (as a whole) is complicit in the policies of their government cannot be limited to Israel alone. ISIS could use the same argument to justify attacks on the French population due to the bombing of Syrian civilians. The population of Israel are not more responsible for the acts of their government than those of any other nation (France, USA, UK etc..). 

 

Wallahu A'lam

I don't know where anyone have stated that killing innocent civilians should not be condemned (It is different who is and who is not innocent)? Where anyone stated that All Israels civilians are actually targets?

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-The argument that the Israeli population (as a whole) is complicit in the policies of their government cannot be limited to Israel alone. ISIS could use the same argument to justify attacks on the French population due to the bombing of Syrian civilians. The population of Israel are not more responsible for the acts of their government than those of any other nation (France, USA, UK etc..). 

All these democratic rights the Israelite have and still they do nothing to their government about Palestine issue. I wonder why?

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:salam:

Zionist occupation is a cause that must not be forgotten. Palestinians, but also Syrians, Lebanese and other people are concerned about this plague, including shias.

Here some people are trying to discredit this cause by underlining the Palestinians' methods which in this case are clearly discutable ( not to mention this rather looks like some sexual assault if you ask me).

Such people on SC are even trying to mix those methods which those of takfiris in Iraq or Syria in order to blur the reality of the Zionist occupation which in a few words is about :

- Stolen land

- Usurped wealth

- Displaced and broken families

-Youth and women beating or enjailment

- And of course, arbitrary bombings of civilian populations including schools, hospitals, homes.

@All the pro-shia-only on this website : we will soon celebrate the 10 years of Divine Victory in Lebanon. Please do not make it look like that war never happened because the enemy is real and it did not hesitate to kill us like rats when it had the chance to. 

Back then, Saudis were already siding with them. You are focusing today on takfiris but remember, they are just two sides of the same coin. It is no coincidence that takfirism exploded right after the last major fail of zionism against the Resistance! 

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