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On 6/14/2018 at 3:49 AM, megaman said:

source?

Here you go.

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They asked Ja'far the brother of Hasan 'Askari: "Did your brother have any offspring? " He replied: "There was an infant but he died." But when the temples of falsity [=hayaakil e maj'uulah] heard this utterance they denied him and called Ja'far the Liar. Consider how grievous was their wrong-doing and their falsification. Then they proceeded to make mention of the "sacred precinct", and the appearance of tawqi'at [=communications of the Hidden One] from the sacred precincts with all the details that you have heard of before. May God vouchsafe fairness and equity unto these people for they have left their people in a wilderness of vain imaginings and false ideas, in greater perdition than Abu Lahab.

Baha'u'llah's Tablets quoted in Faadil e Maazandaraani Amr va Khalq, Volume 2 page 3

http://fananapazir.co.nr/sixtranslations.html

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On 6/15/2018 at 11:55 AM, megaman said:

Hi @Shi3i_jadeed, sorry I wasn't clear.

I was saying that from a Baha'i perspective, it wouldn't be a lie to call themselves Muslims. 

I agree with you that Christians today wouldn't be counted as Muslims. In my previous post I said "were considered Muslims", meaning at that time. Of course, after they reject Prophet Muhammad and the Quran, they could no longer be considered Muslims because they have rejected the Will of God.

What is your opinion about Orthodox Baha'is and BUPC Baha'is?

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15 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, that wasn't Baha'u'llah, it was His Son Abdul-Baha, The Perfect Exemplar of His teachings.

It's true that He received Knighthood, but it's important to know why.

Long story short, Abdul-Baha brought wheat to the starving people of Haifa and Akka and also feeding the British Army during the first World War. If the Ottoman Empire was still in power then none of this could have happened. Do you think it was wrong of Him to feed them because they were British? If yes, then that is the definition of prejudiced. Baha'u'llah says:

Now let's talk about Abdul-Baha receiving the title, which He never used by the way. His most preferred title is Abdul-Baha, which means the servant of Baha.

If you look at that picture, you'll notice that He is sitting in front of the flag and not behind it. This is to show that He did not bear allegiance to the British but how much has come out of that one picture? God knows. 

Regarding those YouTube videos, I've seen and heard many. All of them propaganda. It's is everyone's duty to investigate the truth to the best of their abilities and with an open heart. If what find is to be the truth, then they must whole heatedly accept it.

The Universal House of Justice is composed of 9 people who are elected every 5 years from all the Baha'is in the world through delegates. It would be odd to expect them to speak Arabic because they all come from different backgrounds. The House of Justice communicates to the world with English letters which are translated when necessary. 

Abdul Baha was a Perfect Examplar!!! He used to slap people for petty reasons. He usurped the inheritance of his own brothers, shunned them and made their lives miserable.

Abdul Baha'i received his knighthood for offering his "Valuable Services" to the British Occupying Forces.

The UHJ is composed of 9 People (or 9 Men)??? People are men and women both! Why you want to hide the fact that Women are not allowed membership in the UHJ for unknown reasons?

Baha'u'llah has explicitly asked Baha'is to learn Arabic and Persian. But these poor guys at UHJ are dependent on their "Research Department" for everything. They don't even compose those letters that they issue to the so called communities.

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18 hours ago, megaman said:

Interesting, I've never thought of it that way and I've been studying the messages of the House of Justice for a while now.

http://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/the-universal-house-of-justice/

According to Baha'i scripture, the Universal House of justice is only valid and legal if there exists a Baha'i Guardian beside it:

"This new Order which is superior to the void sickly orders of the world and is unique, unparalleled, and unheard of throughout the history of religions, is based on two powerful pillars: the first which is greater is the pillar of divine Guardianship that is the source of interpretations and the second pillar is the divine Universal House of Justice that is the reference of legislation. Just as it is impossible to separate between the laws of the Legislator of the Order (meaning Baha’u’llah) and his fundamental basis’ which the Center of the Covenant has declared, separating the two pillars of the New Order from each-other is impossible and infeasible." ( Shoghi Effendi, Tauqī’āt mubāraki khiṭāb bi aḥibbā’ sharq (Langenhain [Germany]: Lajniyi Millī Nashr Āthār Amrī Bi Zabānhayi Fārsī wa `Arabī, 149 B.[1992]), p. 301. )

Well all Baha'i Prophecies about a living Guardian turned into failure after Shoghi effendi the first and last Baha'i Guardian suddenly died without appointing a successor. So now there is a Baha'i Universal House of Justice (UHJ) that is completely illegal according to Baha'i scripture.

When you are an illegal entity forcing your opinion on poor Baha'is worldwide, you can only be called a House of INJUSTICE.

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28 minutes ago, hadez803 said:

"This new Order which is superior to the void sickly orders of the world and is unique, unparalleled, and unheard of throughout the history of religions, is based on two powerful pillars: the first which is greater is the pillar of divine Guardianship that is the source of interpretations and the second pillar is the divine Universal House of Justice that is the reference of legislation. Just as it is impossible to separate between the laws of the Legislator of the Order (meaning Baha’u’llah) and his fundamental basis’ which the Center of the Covenant has declared, separating the two pillars of the New Order from each-other is impossible and infeasible."

Hi @hadez803, as stated in the quote, "the divine Guardianship that is the source of interpretations". The interpretations of the Writings of Baha'u'llah have been completed by AbdulBaha and Shoghi Effendi and therefore, no further need for Guardianship. As you also stated, Shoghi Effendi did no appoint a successor. 

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44 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, as stated in the quote, "the divine Guardianship that is the source of interpretations". The interpretations of the Writings of Baha'u'llah have been completed by AbdulBaha and Shoghi Effendi and therefore, no further need for Guardianship. As you also stated, Shoghi Effendi did no appoint a successor.  

The writings of Baha'u'llah have not been completely interpreted by Shoghi (the Guardian) and Abdu'l-Baha. In fact there are volumes and volumes of writings that are sometimes completely incomprehensible and no interpretation from any Baha'i figure exists for them. The Guardian  (Shoghi) was supposed to interpret these works, but where is he? Oh he's dead! And he was supposed to select his successor from his own children while he was alive:

"O ye beloved of the Lord! It is incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor, that differences may not arise after his passing. He that is appointed must manifest in himself detachment from all worldly things, must be the essence of purity, must show in himself the fear of God, knowledge, wisdom and learning. Thus, should the first-born of the Guardian of the Cause of God not manifest in himself the truth of the words:—“The child is the secret essence of its sire,” that is, should he not inherit of the spiritual within him (the Guardian of the Cause of God) and his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character, then must he, (the Guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him." ( Shoghi Effendi, Bahā’ī Administration, p. 8)

OOps. Shoghi was senile and couldn't have children and he couldn't appoint a successor. This is the ultimate failure of Baha'ism. And please stop the ramblings about there being no need for a Guardian. The Guardian is the permanent head of the Universal House of Justice. The Baha'i Universal House of Justice is currently functioning without a HEAD and a body without a HEAD is as good as dead:

“the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahā’u’llāh, p. 150)

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Hi @hadez803, the rest of that quote is as follows:

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Though the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body he can never, even temporarily, assume the right of exclusive legislation. He cannot override the decision of the majority of his fellow-members - Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahā’u’llāh, p. 150

As you hold the decisions of the Imams to be infallible, the Bahai's also trust in the Wisdom of the Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, who did not appoint a successor.

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3 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, the rest of that quote is as follows:

As you hold the decisions of the Imams to be infallible, the Bahai's also trust in the Wisdom of the Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, who did not appoint a successor. 

I think you don't know what WISDOM means.

According to Shoghi, Shoghi must appoint a successor: "It incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor( Shoghi Effendi, Bahā’ī Administration, p. 8 ) ", but shoghi fails to appoint a successor even though he writes in his own books that he should.

I would in no manner call such a person wise or trust in his wisdom.

 

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43 minutes ago, hadez803 said:

According to Shoghi, Shoghi must appoint a successor: "It incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor( Shoghi Effendi, Bahā’ī Administration, p. 8 ) ", but shoghi fails to appoint a successor even though he writes in his own books that he should.

Hi @hadez803, that's actually a quote by Abdul-Baha, not Shoghi Effendi.

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11 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Abdul Baha was a Perfect Examplar!!! He used to slap people for petty reasons. He usurped the inheritance of his own brothers, shunned them and made their lives miserable.

Abdul Baha'i received his knighthood for offering his "Valuable Services" to the British Occupying Forces.

The UHJ is composed of 9 People (or 9 Men)??? People are men and women both! Why you want to hide the fact that Women are not allowed membership in the UHJ for unknown reasons?

Baha'u'llah has explicitly asked Baha'is to learn Arabic and Persian. But these poor guys at UHJ are dependent on their "Research Department" for everything. They don't even compose those letters that they issue to the so called communities.

Hi @Badi19

I only know of one occasion that Abdul-Baha slapped someone and that was mild. I'm sure that if you read about Him, you will see that His whole life was dedicated to serving those around Him.

The House of Justice is composed of 9 men. Women can't serve on the House of Justice. Gender equality, does not mean same roles but same right. The members of the House of Justice have no more rights than any other Baha'i.

Baha'u'llah certainly preferred Arabic but always mentions that this isn't a command but a preference. 

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8 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19

I only know of one occasion that Abdul-Baha slapped someone and that was mild. I'm sure that if you read about Him, you will see that His whole life was dedicated to serving those around Him.

The House of Justice is composed of 9 men. Women can't serve on the House of Justice. Gender equality, does not mean same roles but same right. The members of the House of Justice have no more rights than any other Baha'i.

Baha'u'llah certainly preferred Arabic but always mentions that this isn't a command but a preference. 

Hi megaman

Nope. I know at least 3 instances where Abdul Baha has slapped 3 different people, there must me more... these two-three incidents are referenced below, there is no mention of the word "Mild", in fact at one place there is a mention of a "Hard Slap"!

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2017/07/he-had-only-hard-slap-in-face-from.html

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2017/07/abdul-baha-slapped-him-in-ear-lifted.html

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2017/06/immediately-abdul-baha-slapped-him.html

One man died mysteriously when Abdul Baha thought of slapping him.

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2017/07/abdul-baha-he-needs-slap.html

But Abdul Baha says:

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Baha’u’llah declares the absolute equality of the sexes... Why should woman be deprived of exercising the fullest opportunities offered by life? Whosoever serves humanity most is nearest God — for God is no respecter of gender.

- Abdu’l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, pp. 82-83.

When Baha'u'llah preferred Arabic then the UHJ must know that language. Doesn't the UHJ loves their hero Baha'u'llah!? Some UHJ members don't even know Persian! They don't write themselves anything, it works like a PMO, everything is done by different Departments expert in different matters. UHJ only signs the letters (after so called "reflection"). That is not an issue for me. The issue for me is that UHJ is considered as infallible by Baha'is and in the future UHJ can impose war on some enemy countries that are hostile and the "peace-loving" Baha'is will accept this War because it has been ordered by the infallible UHJ! Baha'ism is not about love, peace and unity. It is about eradicating everything except Baha'ism and forming a NWO under its UHJ that has its permanent headquarters in Haifa, Israel.

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10 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, the rest of that quote is as follows:

As you hold the decisions of the Imams to be infallible, the Bahai's also trust in the Wisdom of the Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, who did not appoint a successor.

Why Shoghi did not had a child? Was there any Medical reason for Shoghi or Ruhiyyih? Did Shoghi had some "special relationships" with Dr. Baghdadi with whom he used to spend months in Switzerland with Baha'i money?

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2 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Nope. I know at least 3 instances where Abdul Baha has slapped 3 different people, there must me more... these two-three incidents are referenced below, there is no mention of the word "Mild", in fact at one place there is a mention of a "Hard Slap"!

Hi @Badi19, do you have any authoritative sources?

2 hours ago, Badi19 said:

It is about eradicating everything except Baha'ism and forming a NWO under its UHJ that has its permanent headquarters in Haifa, Israel.

The aims of the Baha'i Faith is to establish peace and unity, sometimes there is a need for war. For example, if one country goes against another innocent country, the surrounding countries should oppose it and help the innocent country. I'm sure that many wars have been fought in Islam for justice and growth of Islam.

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1 hour ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, do you have any authoritative sources?

The aims of the Baha'i Faith is to establish peace and unity, sometimes there is a need for war. For example, if one country goes against another innocent country, the surrounding countries should oppose it and help the innocent country. I'm sure that many wars have been fought in Islam for justice and growth of Islam.

Ok. Do you need Authoritative Sources for Historical incidents? Can you provide the dates of birth of Baha'u'llah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi from authoritative sources? Aren't those references from genuine Baha'i sources? One Source is Balyuzi, another Ahang Rabbani, and two Khalil Shahidi! These guys were all "Baha'is in Good Standing" (with 100% rights). :)

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The aims of the Baha'i Faith is to establish peace and unity,

Nope, the aim is establishing a Baha'i World Super-state a Baha'i World Order.

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-aim-of-all-bahai-activity.html

Above source is authoritative. Enjoy.

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9 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Nope, the aim is establishing a Baha'i World Super-state a Baha'i World Order.

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-aim-of-all-bahai-activity.html

Above source is authoritative. Enjoy.

Hi @Badi19, an example of an authoritative source is Baha'i reference library. Which has Writings in Arabic, English and Farsi. Here is the link for your convenience: http://reference.bahai.org/en/ 

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Just now, hadez803 said:

A quote by Abdu'l-Baha reaffirmed by Shoghi but completely ignored by Shoghi. What matters is that Shoghi failed big time.

Hi @hadez803, I think that the contributions of the Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, made a huge difference in the Baha'i community world wide. He worked tirelessly to develop the many new communities world wide and establishing the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, Israel. To me, that's a great success. 

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3 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, I think that the contributions of the Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, made a huge difference in the Baha'i community world wide. He worked tirelessly to develop the many new communities world wide and establishing the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, Israel. To me, that's a great success. 

Yeah he did good. He cut the head off of the UHJ.

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2 minutes ago, hadez803 said:

Yeah he did good. He cut the head off of the UHJ.

Hi @hadez803, the Guardian cannot overrule or even assume a right over the House of Justice.

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"Though the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body he can never, even temporarily, assume the right of exclusive legislation. He cannot override the decision of the majority of his fellow members, but is bound to insist upon a reconsideration by them of any enactment he conscientiously believes to conflict with the meaning and to depart from the spirit of Bahá'u'lláh's revealed utterances." The World Order of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 150

 

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“the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahā’u’llāh, p. 150)

Shoghi destroyed Guardianship in Baha'ism, leaving the UHJ without a head and a body without a head is as good as dead.

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12 minutes ago, hadez803 said:

“the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahā’u’llāh, p. 150)

Shoghi destroyed Guardianship in Baha'ism, leaving the UHJ without a head and a body without a head is as good as dead.

I guess then we need to put our trust in the decisions of that head. Thank you for your concern.

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11 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, an example of an authoritative source is Baha'i reference library. Which has Writings in Arabic, English and Farsi. Here is the link for your convenience: http://reference.bahai.org/en/ 

Hi magaman,

That is an authoritative source. Just click the link and check the reference.

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11 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, the Guardian cannot overrule or even assume a right over the House of Justice.

 

I think you should try to understand the position of Guardianist Baha'is (Orthodox Baha'is and BUPC Bahais). After all you believe in "Independent investigation of truth"!

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Dear friend @Badi19, I'm open to having meaningful dialogue but not these petty games. 

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Truthfulness is the foundation of all human virtues. Without truthfulness progress and success, in all the worlds of God, are impossible for any soul. When this holy attribute is established in man, all the divine qualities will also be acquired. -‘Abdu’l-Bahá, The Advent of Divine Justice

 

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1 minute ago, megaman said:

Dear friend @Badi19, I'm open to having meaningful dialogue but not these petty games. 

 

Megaman, Why don't you guys do an Open Dialogue with your brothers in faith, the Orthodox Baha'is? Why not establish a unity among yourselves before trying to unite Shiism with Bahaism?

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History & Terrorism & betrayal of Bahaism in Iran

 

The Abarqu juggernaut is the most prominent example of the atrocities of the Baha'i system that has survived in history. The description of the occurrence of the flow is briefly summarized in the book "The Baha'i Faults" or "The Incident of Abraq" by Mr. Hossein Khorasani.

After Abdu'l-Bahá's death, Shoghi Effendi succeeded with the help of  her mother  . he was educated at the American University of Beirut and then moved to Oxford to study as Abdu'l-Baha's death unfinished.

Shoghi Effendi, successor to Abdu'l-Baha and the head of the Abarqru massacre

Shoqi from London issued an order for extensive and expansive promotion of Baha'i in Iran, the Bahá'í organization in Iran seeking to obtain this order, all his efforts to reach the maximum number of people, especially the youth, according to their wishes.

The Baha'i Yazd ceremony, headed by Sultan Nik Ayin, selected the village of Abraqo as the target, and the Esfandabad congregation of Yazd was commissioned by Mirza Hasan Shamsi, and requested the Tehran Circle to begin the propaganda campaign. Deposited.

With the dispatch of Suleiman Salimi as a sum, activities began, but whatever they were trying to do was not a result, advertising with the serious opposition of the people of the region was faced and failed, and the amount had to return to Tehran.

With the design of a new plan for the dispatch of this amount, as a bicycle repairman in Abarqo and by promoting a three-person network in Abraqo, which eventually he is also known to people through the enlightenment of the preacher, is his wife Midnight runs away from an abacus from a motorcycle.

 "Mirza Hassan Shams," the head of the Esfandabad Circle of Yazd, spoiled the people of Abraqo, for the third time, another agent called "Abbas Ali Pour Mehdi" to go to Abraqo and to promote Baha'ism.
Abbasali received an enormous amount of money for the advance payment, covering as the remote seller to the Abarqo region, and as he was traveling to the villages around the road and promoting Baha'ism.

In one of the surrounding villages of Abraqo, Rabat, a woman of Muwahid and a believer named Soghra, who was 56, lived with his children, Abbas Ali Pour Mehdi, who considered him a barrier against the Baha'i organization, and reported to the Yazd Circle , Urged the constitution to order the murder of this woman and her offspring.

At the behest of the Baha'i Faith, this family of six people was slaughtered at the hands of Mohammad Ali Shirvani on the night of the 13th of January, 1328.

This cruel Baha'i assassin, along with several of his fellow soldiers, attacked the brave woman's house, first murdering her three daughters with a shovel and an axe  for  briking wood, and then, in another crime, she was split with the other two young boys. They do.

A few months after the criminals fled, the Pahlavi regime's judiciary arrested them and, in spite of all the attempts by the Baha'i organization to create a deviation, ultimately, the gates were executed publicly and the rest of the criminals were imprisoned. And were released under the pressure of the Baha'i community in the United States in September.

But the secrets of this case had long been hidden until the killing of the massacre in 1388 by Kayhan was published.

 

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/183195/بهائیان-قاتل-در-ایران-چه-کردند-عکس

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Hi @Ashvazdanghe, I think this quote by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá will help:

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When Bahá’u’lláh appeared, He declared that the promulgation of the truth by such means must on no account be allowed, even for purposes of self-defense. He abrogated the rule of the sword and annulled the ordinance of “Holy War.” “If ye be slain,” said He, “it is better for you than to slay. It is through the firmness and assurance of the faithful that the Cause of the Lord must be diffused. As the faithful, fearless and undaunted, arise with absolute detachment to exalt the Word of God, and, with eyes averted from the things of this world, engaged in service for the Lord’s sake and by His power, thereby will they cause the Word of Truth to triumph. These blessed souls bear witness by their lifeblood to the truth of the Cause and attest it by the sincerity of their faith, their devotion and their constancy. The Lord can avail to diffuse His Cause and to defeat the froward. We desire no defender but Him, and with our lives in our hands face the foe and welcome martyrdom.”

 

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1 minute ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, I think this quote by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá will help:

 

And this will help you!

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In banishing Bahá’u’lláh to the prison city, the Ottoman government had sent four Azalis to ‘Akká as well. These were Siyyid Muhammad Isfahání, Nasr’ulláh Tafríshí, Áqá Ján Ka’j Kuláh and Ridá Qulí. These four kept vigil near the land gate to ensure no one would meet Bahá’u’lláh. They kept watch from the second story window of a building overlooking the land gate so that if a pilgrim, after spending some six months traveling on foot, intended to enter the city they could somehow prevent his entrance. Thus pilgrims were forced to sit outside the moat, waiting and gazing at the window of Baha’u’llah’s prison cell, perchance He would come to the window and put His hand out the window, blessing them. This was the extent of their pilgrimage.

This situation lasted for some time. After two years and a few months, Bahá’u’lláh was released from the prison. Some of the friends, including Salmání, decided to get rid of these enemies and during the night went to their place and killed Siyyid Muhammad, Áqá Ján and another person.

Ref. Sweet and Enchanting Stories, Aziz Rohani, Page 31

http://bahai-library.com/pdf/r/rohani_sweet_enchanting_stories.pdf

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2 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, that was an unfortunate event and it brought great sadness to Baha'u'llah and placed harder restrictions on the pilgrims. 

Yes. many of Baha'u'llah's followers were addicted to Opium also. Hope you know that.

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19 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Yes. many of Baha'u'llah's followers were addicted to Opium also. Hope you know that.

Yeah, unfortunately it's wide spread in Iran. We can't expect people to change immediately after becoming Baha'is. I also like to focus on my own short comings and not of others. You're already familiar with these Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah:

Arabic 26:

O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.

 

يَا ابْنَ الوُجُودِ

كَيْفَ نَسِيتَ عُيوبَ نَفْسِكَ وَاشْتَغَلْتَ بِعُيُوبِ عِبادِي. مَنْ كانَ عَلى ذلِكَ فَعَلَيْهِ لَعْنَةٌ مِنِّي.

 

Persian 66:

O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others.

ای مهاجران

لسان مخصوص ذکر من است بغیبت میالائید و اگر نفس ناری غلبه نماید بذکر عیوب خود مشغول شوید نه بغیبت خلق من زیرا که هر کدام از شما بنفس خود ابصر و اعرفید از نفوس عباد من

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23 minutes ago, megaman said:

Yeah, unfortunately it's wide spread in Iran. We can't expect people to change immediately after becoming Baha'is. I also like to focus on my own short comings and not of others. You're already familiar with these Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah:

Arabic 26:

he just uses shia islamic critiques as his saying what a hypocrite.

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35 minutes ago, megaman said:

Yeah, unfortunately it's wide spread in Iran. We can't expect people to change immediately after becoming Baha'is. I also like to focus on my own short comings and not of others. You're already familiar with these Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah:

Arabic 26:

O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.

 

يَا ابْنَ الوُجُودِ

كَيْفَ نَسِيتَ عُيوبَ نَفْسِكَ وَاشْتَغَلْتَ بِعُيُوبِ عِبادِي. مَنْ كانَ عَلى ذلِكَ فَعَلَيْهِ لَعْنَةٌ مِنِّي.

 

Persian 66:

O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others.

ای مهاجران

لسان مخصوص ذکر من است بغیبت میالائید و اگر نفس ناری غلبه نماید بذکر عیوب خود مشغول شوید نه بغیبت خلق من زیرا که هر کدام از شما بنفس خود ابصر و اعرفید از نفوس عباد من

Oh I see!

There were some famous Baha'i Opium traders also, hope you know that!

1) Mírzá Áqá Taryakí

His given name was Muhammad. He was known among the family as Áqá Mírzá Áqá Kúchak [the junior]. He engaged in a business trading in opium with China.

2) Mírzá ʿAlí Taryakí

As his trade was mostly in opium, he was known as Hájí Taryakí. In the latter part of his life, he attained the presence of Baháʾuʾlláh in Haifa.

Source : The Genesis of the Bábí-Baháʾí Faiths in Shíráz and Fárs, By Mirza Habibuʾllah Afnan, Translated and Annotated by Ahang Rabbani, Page 333

https://bahai-library.com/pdf/a/afnan_rabbani_genesis_faiths.pdf

Edited by Badi19

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9 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, I think this quote by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá will help:

 

According to Baha'u'llah's own sister Baha'u'llah and his followers committed many murders in Iraq:

" They gathered a group of hooligans from different provinces of Iran and from the same places fugitives who had never believed in any religion and had no faith in any prophet and had no work but manslaughter and had no occupation but stealing peoples’ property. Even though they claimed they were following [the customs] of Ḥusayn (the grandson of the Prophet Muḥammad who was ruthlessly murdered by Shimr on the orders of Yazīd) they summoned a group of Shimr-like people around themselves. The breath of any soul who uttered anything but what they were satisfied with was suffocated. They beat any head which made the slightest sound other than accepting their guardianship. They cut every throat which showed other than humbleness towards them. They pierced every heart which had love towards other than them. The first group whose names we previously mentioned fled to Karbala, Najaf and elsewhere fearing those bloodthirsty headsmen. They beheaded Sayyid Ismā`īl Iṣfahānī, they ripped Mīrzā Aḥmad Kāshī’s guts, they killed Āghā Abul-Qāsim Kāshi and threw his body in the Tigris river, they finished Sayyid Aḥmad with a gun, they scattered Mīrzā Ridhā’s brain with rocks, they cut Mīrzā `Alī’s body from the sides and pushed him unto the path of demise. Other than these, they killed others in the darkness of night and threw their bodies in the Tigris river; yet others were killed in the Bazaar in daylight and cut to pieces with daggers and machetes." ( Izziye Khānum (Khānum Buzurg), Tanbīh al-nā’imīn, pp. 1112 )

 

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