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2 hours ago, Zendegi said:

I agree. Even among Muslims living in the West, a lot of the times I think to myself Muslims don't have any place in Europe, North America or elsewhere in the Western world with such thinking and attitudes towards others like Ahmadis or Bahais. When they bring up things such as these its turns my mood off.

I don't blame the people of Deutschland , UK and elsewhere for having a dislike of Muslims communities who refuse to integrate and show respect to other groups living amongst them. You will see a lot of these hypocritical people on places like Shiachat with these backward and out-dated views and irony is that they live in places like Germany such as one person in this thread,  where they have all these religious privileges and equal rights yet can't show respect for others and their beliefs.

 

You speak for Baha'is as if you are one yourself. Baha'is are one the most bigoted people out there. The amount of trash that their leaders specially Baha'u'llah threw at those that denied him are unimaginable. Their leadership, the UHJ, is the most tyrannical of them all. You can read the story of Sen McGlinn here:

https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/about/about-dissenrolment/

A poor baha'i academic who was kicked out of the cult without reason by the Baha'i UHJ without explanation, without a trial, and without a chance for defense or repention. They still refuse to tell him why he was expelled. And didn't they ever tell you how they usurped Muslim endowments by the help of the Israeli government? Well read here:

http://www.bahaibahai.com/eng/index.php?id=97

Or they never told you that the ultimate goal of the Baha'is is to take over the world and rule it with an iron fist that would see all dissenters shunned and excommunicated and thrown out of society.

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27 minutes ago, hadez803 said:

You didn't even read what Is posted did you? I clearly explained to you that they are not barred from university only a small few are expelled for proselytizing yet here you are repeating the same allegations. The same lies that they spread on the internet.

I did read your explanation but I think @Zendegi clearly explained the reality of the situation quoted below. Is this a fabrication?

3 hours ago, Zendegi said:

When you apply for University in Iran you have to indicate what religion you belong to prior to admission and you can only choose from Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Zoroastrianism which are 'recognised religions'.There is therefore no option for Bahia students to choose from, according to their scriptures they can't lie about their religion or do something like Taqiya so they have no choice but to not go University.The government doesn't technically bar them from admission but this is a way that prevents Bahais from getting enrolled.

 

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18 minutes ago, Ali6 said:

I did read your explanation but I think @Zendegi clearly explained the reality of the situation quoted below. Is this a fabrication?

 

The fact that there is no slot for Baha'i on the university entrance card is true. But zendegi didn't tell you about the fact that there is slot called "other". Baha'is, atheists, Buddhists, and etc... use the "other" slot. Either that or they simply tick the Muslim box. Yet again zendegi is not stating the truth about Baha'is not practicing Taqqiya. They clearly practice it themselves but when Muslims practice it, they claim Muslims are liars. As I said in another response both their leaders Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha had been practicing taqqiya until they died in Palestine and were even given Muslim burials.

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2 hours ago, hadez803 said:

You speak for Baha'is as if you are one yourself. Baha'is are one the most bigoted people out there. The amount of trash that their leaders specially Baha'u'llah threw at those that denied him are unimaginable.

Why would I not state the truth? As far I know there are only 4 religions to choose from when applying for the University there. If I am wrong forgive me and show me a source where it indicates an other option. Look I am no expert in their beliefs. But again as far as I know within their belief system they have to be honest about being Bahai and can't lie about not being.

All the Bahais I have met are friendly and peace loving people. No I don't hold or have seen any such grudges or hatred against them in real life except on the internet by people like you. Very open and welcoming folks who are just trying to live their lives like everyone else. I went to school with them, I went to their homes, I have been to cultural gatherings and no I have not seen Bahais that I know who are engaged in any suspicious activity or promoting any such a propaganda that you speak off. Their not interested in what Muslims are doing or let anyone putting their noses in anyone else's business.

The Bahais I personally know are not like that. Maybe their are some out there or in past who have engaged in such things which you and others on the 'internet' speak off. No need to generalise all of them and their entire community. What ever happened in the past I really don't care. You can criticise their beliefs and leaders but no need to demonise their whole community. 

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7 hours ago, Zendegi said:

 

Why would I not state the truth? As far I know there are only 4 religions to choose from when applying for the University there. If I am wrong forgive me and show me a source where it indicates an other option. Look I am no expert in their beliefs. But again as far as I know within their belief system they have to be honest about being Bahai and can't lie about not being.


I sat the university entrance exam and have filled the relevant forms and so have my friends and family members. There is a box called "other" under religion. Do you think I still need to provide another source?

They claim they have to be honest about being Baha'i but that is just a claim. There leaders were not and lived a lie to save their own skins while the adherents were prohibited from dissimulating their beliefs and some were consequently killed. The dead were and still are used to this date for playing the victim. This attitude where the leader gets to save their own skin but the followers don't is one of the dirties and scummiest attitudes I have ever witnessed in my life.

And trust me they lie about being honest in their beliefs. See how this die hard Baha'i apologist exposed the fact that they are allowed to lie about their faith and state they are Muslims:

"Did you know, that in this time in which we live, 2014, the Centre of the Covenant, the Universal House of Justice, permits the Baha'is of Saudi Arabia to HIDE (yes HIDE) their religious identity, and if asked by authorities they are permitted to say they are Muslim?" http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=12141654

7 hours ago, Zendegi said:

 

All the Bahais I have met are friendly and peace loving people. No I don't hold or have seen any such grudges or hatred against them in real life except on the internet by people like you. Very open and welcoming folks who are just trying to live their lives like everyone else. I went to school with them, I went to their homes, I have been to cultural gatherings and no I have not seen Bahais that I know who are engaged in any suspicious activity or promoting any such a propaganda that you speak off. Their not interested in what Muslims are doing or let anyone putting their noses in anyone else's business.

The Bahais I personally know are not like that. Maybe their are some out there or in past who have engaged in such things which you and others on the 'internet' speak off. No need to generalise all of them and their entire community. What ever happened in the past I really don't care. You can criticise their beliefs and leaders but no need to demonise their whole community. 

I have met a lot of Baha'is in real life life and on internet forums. I have seen the good the bad and the ugly. Start opposing their beliefs instead of accepting what they spoon feed to you and they will show you their ugly side. Bring up some contradictions and then all hell breaks loose. Trust me you don't want to see it. But you are right about not generalizing things to their entire community. That was not my intention and unfortunately I chose the wrong combination of words in one of statements.

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On Sunday, July 03, 2016 at 10:58 PM, hadez803 said:

 

I have met a lot of Baha'is in real life life and on internet forums. I have seen the good the bad and the ugly. Start opposing their beliefs instead of accepting what they spoon feed to you and they will show you their ugly side. Bring up some contradictions and then all hell breaks loose. 

Could you speak à little more about "thé good the bad and the ugly" that you saw ?

Which contradictions for exemple ?

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15 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Could you speak à little more about "thé good the bad and the ugly" that you saw ?

Which contradictions for exemple ?

The Good: Normal Baha'i people like all others minding their own business refraining from personal attacks and deception tactics.

The Bad: Baha'is openly hostile to non-Baha'is or those that argue with them.

The Ugly: Seemingly normal Baha'is that transform into the most arrogant pieces of inhumanity once you start opposing their statements or you start exposing the true face of the cult.

I have witnessed again and again the pattern that you can observe in these links and has been observed by others:

https://fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Caution.htm

 

You asked for contradictions? Everything, every single teaching of their religion has been contradicted in the writings and actions of their leaders. And I really mean it when I say EVERYTHING.

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2 hours ago, hadez803 said:

 

You asked for contradictions? Everything, every single teaching of their religion has been contradicted in the writings and actions of their leaders. And I really mean it when I say EVERYTHING.

Could you give me some websites or vidéos which show the contradictions of this religion ?

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4 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Could you give me some websites or vidéos which show the contradictions of this religion ?

First one is from a Christian:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36585/36585-h/36585-h.htm

 

This one analyzes there twelve so called novel principles and shows they were plagiarized from other people and beliefs and the leaders contradicted all of them:

https://archive.org/download/TwelvePrinciples/Twelve Principles - A Comprehensive Investigation on the Bahai Teachings.pdf

 

And you can find some relevant articles here:

http://www.bahaibahai.com/eng/index.php/articles

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sometimes it s good that we open our eyes and try to use our brain more

Baha'i isn't a divine religion . plus US and western countries try to lead  ppl to this religion . western countries r Iran's enemies . y should Iran then allow Bahaiis to b active and act that freely in Iran ? while they actually wanna change Iran's policy and regime . no country surely allows to a minority to change the regime of that country . all countries want peace. which country u see that allows ppl to protest freely against their regime ? all countries want their regime to b fixed and powerful . surely Iran is the same . we don't allow to some ignorant ppl to change our policy and our leader I.A

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On 02/07/2016 at 1:18 PM, alidu78 said:

Nowadays iranian bahais try to stay in iran or most of them are leaving the country ?

Bahais in Iran are strongly encouraged to stay in Iran and support the progress of the country. Those who stay are heroes -- it is if you like a little martyrdom.  On 23 June this year the Universal House of Justice wrote to some Bahais in Iran about their economic hardships, and in the beginning of the letter praised their interest in the progress of the Faith, their willingness to endure hardships in the path of God and their determination to remain in Iran.

The letter is available in Persian here:
http://www.payamha-iran.org/sites/lab.payamha-iran.org/files/sites/adefault/files/2016-06-23 - Persian_0.pdf

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1 minute ago, Sen McGlinn said:

Bahais in Iran are strongly encouraged to stay in Iran and support the progress of the country. Those who stay are heroes -- it is if you like a little martyrdom.  On 23 June this year the Universal House of Justice wrote to some Bahais in Iran about their economic hardships, and in the beginning of the letter praised their interest in the progress of the Faith, their willingness to endure hardships in the path of God and their determination to remain in Iran.

The letter is available in Persian here:
http://www.payamha-iran.org/sites/lab.payamha-iran.org/files/sites/adefault/files/2016-06-23 - Persian_0.pdf

But they dont have the right to have religious building, religious schools or even cemetery isnt it ?

I even heard that they cant go to university ?

Are there other things that they cant do as bahaïs ?

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On 29/06/2016 at 7:43 PM, alidu78 said:

Salam aleykoum  

why bahais are so much persécuted in iran ? Do you think its à good thing for an islamic state to dô that ?

No, it is not a good thing for an Islamic State to persecute minorities: it gives Islam a bad name. Of course, thoughtful people will distinguish between what Islam is as a religion, and what Islamic State and Islamic states do in the name of Islam.  The strange thing is, the Bahais in free countries are among those who make this distinction, who say that Islam is a beautiful religion which should not be judged by the behaviour of the worst of its followers, but rather by the achievements of the best of its civilizations, and its scholars and saints.  The Islamic contribution to "western" civilization is huge, so is the Jewish contribution. In The Secret of Divine Civilization, Abdu'l-Baha argues that the progress of a people is best ensured by a willingness to learn from others, and he points to the contribution of Islamic civilizations to European civilization.

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7 minutes ago, Sen McGlinn said:

No, it is not a good thing for an Islamic State to persecute minorities: it gives Islam a bad name. Of course, thoughtful people will distinguish between what Islam is as a religion, and what Islamic State and Islamic states do in the name of Islam.  The strange thing is, the Bahais in free countries are among those who make this distinction, who say that Islam is a beautiful religion which should not be judged by the behaviour of the worst of its followers, but rather by the achievements of the best of its civilizations, and its scholars and saints.  The Islamic contribution to "western" civilization is huge, so is the Jewish contribution. In The Secret of Divine Civilization, Abdu'l-Baha argues that the progress of a people is best ensured by a willingness to learn from others, and he points to the contribution of Islamic civilizations to European civilization.

Excuse me for my ignorance but bahaïs believe also in the prophet Muhammad (saws) isnt it ?

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7 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Excuse me for my ignorance but bahaïs believe also in the prophet Muhammad (saws) isnt it ?

Yes, Bahais believe in the Prophet Muhammad, and the authenticity of the Quran. That's why Bahais defend Islam against anti-Islamic prejudice and ignorance.

 

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7 hours ago, alidu78 said:

But they dont have the right to have religious building, religious schools or even cemetery isnt it ?

I even heard that they cant go to university ?

Are there other things that they cant do as bahaïs ?

Bahais in Iran do have cemeteries, but these are frequently vandalized or entirely destroyed by the authorities. On July 14 this year, the Bahai cemetery at Qorveh was completely destroyed: even the trees were cut down. See https://sensday.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/security-forces-destroy-bahai-cemetery-in-qorveh-arresting-one-bahai/
 

Bahais in Iran are not allowed to attend tertiary education, but some slip in by filling in the "religion" field in the application forms with "other" or "of course," or they fill in "Bahai" and some official lets it pass. When these Bahais are discovered, they are expelled.

There are tight restrictions on employment for Bahais also: they may not work in the civil service or armed services, although they do compulsory military service and were enlisted during the war with Iraq. They may not be employed or have businesses in sectors that involve food, drink or personal services. the list changes from time to time. On May 19, 2015, Saham News published a copy of the previously secret list of sectors from which Bahais are banned (by that time the list was already five years old, and incomplete). It says that Bahais may not work in cultural, educational or financial institutions, and are not to be allowed to work in the sectors of periodicals, jewelry, watchmaking, print-making, tourist agencies, car rentals, publishing and bookshops, photography, film-making, internet gaming, computers, or internet cafes. They may not own printing works or hotels and other accommodation for travellers, or teach tailoring skills. The order refers to the widespread Iranian belief that Bahais are unclean, and requires the police bureaus to block them from restaurants, cafeterias and catering, food ingredients and foodstuff sales, takeaways (Iranian-style), cafes, butchers shops, supermarkets, the production and sale of ice-cream, fruit juice, soft drinks, pastry and sweets, and coffee. At some stage optometry was apparently added to the list, without distinguishing between import and manufacture on the one hand, and prescription and retail sales on the other hand.

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1 hour ago, Sen McGlinn said:

Bahais in Iran do have cemeteries, but these are frequently vandalized or entirely destroyed by the authorities. On July 14 this year, the Bahai cemetery at Qorveh was completely destroyed: even the trees were cut down. See https://sensday.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/security-forces-destroy-bahai-cemetery-in-qorveh-arresting-one-bahai/
 

Bahais in Iran are not allowed to attend tertiary education, but some slip in by filling in the "religion" field in the application forms with "other" or "of course," or they fill in "Bahai" and some official lets it pass. When these Bahais are discovered, they are expelled.

There are tight restrictions on employment for Bahais also: they may not work in the civil service or armed services, although they do compulsory military service and were enlisted during the war with Iraq. They may not be employed or have businesses in sectors that involve food, drink or personal services. the list changes from time to time. On May 19, 2015, Saham News published a copy of the previously secret list of sectors from which Bahais are banned (by that time the list was already five years old, and incomplete). It says that Bahais may not work in cultural, educational or financial institutions, and are not to be allowed to work in the sectors of periodicals, jewelry, watchmaking, print-making, tourist agencies, car rentals, publishing and bookshops, photography, film-making, internet gaming, computers, or internet cafes. They may not own printing works or hotels and other accommodation for travellers, or teach tailoring skills. The order refers to the widespread Iranian belief that Bahais are unclean, and requires the police bureaus to block them from restaurants, cafeterias and catering, food ingredients and foodstuff sales, takeaways (Iranian-style), cafes, butchers shops, supermarkets, the production and sale of ice-cream, fruit juice, soft drinks, pastry and sweets, and coffee. At some stage optometry was apparently added to the list, without distinguishing between import and manufacture on the one hand, and prescription and retail sales on the other hand.

 

Honnestly if i was a bahai i think i will leave the country. I suppose that each years thousands of bahaïs leave iran. Some statistics say that they are 300 000 but honnestly with all this persecution they are now probably less.

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On 7/22/2016 at 1:39 PM, Sen McGlinn said:

No, it is not a good thing for an Islamic State to persecute minorities: it gives Islam a bad name. Of course, thoughtful people will distinguish between what Islam is as a religion, and what Islamic State and Islamic states do in the name of Islam.  The strange thing is, the Bahais in free countries are among those who make this distinction, who say that Islam is a beautiful religion which should not be judged by the behaviour of the worst of its followers, but rather by the achievements of the best of its civilizations, and its scholars and saints.  The Islamic contribution to "western" civilization is huge, so is the Jewish contribution. In The Secret of Divine Civilization, Abdu'l-Baha argues that the progress of a people is best ensured by a willingness to learn from others, and he points to the contribution of Islamic civilizations to European civilization.

Hello Sen. I have seen your blog - you are really going good job for the Haifa (Israel) based Baha'i organization by translating the persecution news that you receive from your "Reliable Sources" in Iran. I just wanted you ask you about your status as a Baha'i - I mean are you considered as a BIGS (a Baha'i in good standing) by the "Infallible" Baha'i supreme body? Do you have voting rights ? Can you give lectures in Baha'i Centers ? Or is it that you work online only? Why some Baha'is are against you? I hope these are not many questions for you.

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On 7/22/2016 at 0:29 PM, Sen McGlinn said:

Bahais in Iran are strongly encouraged to stay in Iran and support the progress of the country. Those who stay are heroes -- it is if you like a little martyrdom.  On 23 June this year the Universal House of Justice wrote to some Bahais in Iran about their economic hardships, and in the beginning of the letter praised their interest in the progress of the Faith, their willingness to endure hardships in the path of God and their determination to remain in Iran.

The letter is available in Persian here:
http://www.payamha-iran.org/sites/lab.payamha-iran.org/files/sites/adefault/files/2016-06-23 - Persian_0.pdf

Oh hello Sen,

Remember me from our discussion about "Baha'is and incest" on shiachat? And then you put up a whole article on your blog to try address my arguments and put its link here. Well, you see you have a section on your blog here: https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/about/about-dissenrolment/

In which you speak about being kicked out of Baha'ism without reason. I find it ironic that you spew out Baha'i propaganda and exaggerations here while you are being persecuted by the same UHJ (Baha'i Universal House of Justice) that you are promoting.

You know it is really really sick and saddening that you woke up some one to find out that the Baha'i cult UHJ has decided that you are no longer a Baha'i, kicks you out of the cult, does not provide any explanation for their action, refuses to hear your defense and etc. etc. All these are actions that go against many articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and can be labelled as nothing but brutal persecution. What I find astonishing is the fact that still have the nerve to come here and refer us to an article by the same UHJ dictatorship lecturing Iran that they should abide by the Universal Declaration of Human rights regarding Baha'is in Iran. What form of pathetic hypocrisy is this?!!

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On 7/22/2016 at 0:39 PM, Sen McGlinn said:

No, it is not a good thing for an Islamic State to persecute minorities: it gives Islam a bad name. Of course, thoughtful people will distinguish between what Islam is as a religion, and what Islamic State and Islamic states do in the name of Islam.  The strange thing is, the Bahais in free countries are among those who make this distinction, who say that Islam is a beautiful religion which should not be judged by the behaviour of the worst of its followers, but rather by the achievements of the best of its civilizations, and its scholars and saints.  The Islamic contribution to "western" civilization is huge, so is the Jewish contribution. In The Secret of Divine Civilization, Abdu'l-Baha argues that the progress of a people is best ensured by a willingness to learn from others, and he points to the contribution of Islamic civilizations to European civilization.

The only reason that Baha'is defend Islam is because they need it as a lifeline to attach themselves to Abrahamic religions. In reality, Baha'is consider Islam an outdated religion with backward laws that has been superseded by Baha'ism.

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18 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

Yes, Bahais believe in the Prophet Muhammad, and the authenticity of the Quran. That's why Bahais defend Islam against anti-Islamic prejudice and ignorance.

 

Yeah right! Baha'u'llah, your leader, denies the existence of Imam Mahdi and praises Jafar al-Kazzab and throws all sorts of profanities at Shia scholars throughout history for believing in the Mahdi:

 

Quote

from Baha'u'llah's Tablets quoted in Faad.il e Maazandaraani Amr va Khalq

Volume 2 page 3

**They asked Ja'far the brother of H.asan 'Askari: "Did your brother have any offspring? " He replied: "There was an infant but he died." But when the temples of falsity [=hayaakil e maj'uulah] heard this utterance they denied him and called Ja'far the Liar. Consider how grievous was their wrong-doing and their falsification. Then they proceeded to make mention of the "sacred precinct", and the appearance of tawqi'at [=communications of the Hidden One] from the sacred precincts with all the details that you have heard of before. May God vouchsafe fairness and equity unto these people for they have left their people in a wilderness of vain imaginings and false ideas, in greater perdition than Abu Lahab.**   http://bahaistudies.net/kf/sixtranslations.html

 

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15 minutes ago, hadez803 said:

Oh hello Sen,

Remember me from our discussion about "Baha'is and incest" on shiachat? And then you put up a whole article on your blog to try address my arguments and put its link here. Well, you see you have a section on your blog here: https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/about/about-dissenrolment/

In which you speak about being kicked out of Baha'ism without reason. I find it ironic that you spew out Baha'i propaganda and exaggerations here while you are being persecuted by the same UHJ (Baha'i Universal House of Justice) that you are promoting.

You know it is really really sick and saddening that you woke up some one to find out that the Baha'i cult UHJ has decided that you are no longer a Baha'i, kicks you out of the cult, does not provide any explanation for their action, refuses to hear your defense and etc. etc. All these are actions that go against many articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and can be labelled as nothing but brutal persecution. What I find astonishing is the fact that still have the nerve to come here and refer us to an article by the same UHJ dictatorship lecturing Iran that they should abide by the Universal Declaration of Human rights regarding Baha'is in Iran. What form of pathetic hypocrisy is this?!!

Bahaïs really believe that incest is good ?

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18 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

Bahais in Iran do have cemeteries, but these are frequently vandalized or entirely destroyed by the authorities. On July 14 this year, the Bahai cemetery at Qorveh was completely destroyed: even the trees were cut down. See https://sensday.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/security-forces-destroy-bahai-cemetery-in-qorveh-arresting-one-bahai/
 

Bahais in Iran are not allowed to attend tertiary education, but some slip in by filling in the "religion" field in the application forms with "other" or "of course," or they fill in "Bahai" and some official lets it pass. When these Bahais are discovered, they are expelled.

There are tight restrictions on employment for Bahais also: they may not work in the civil service or armed services, although they do compulsory military service and were enlisted during the war with Iraq. They may not be employed or have businesses in sectors that involve food, drink or personal services. the list changes from time to time. On May 19, 2015, Saham News published a copy of the previously secret list of sectors from which Bahais are banned (by that time the list was already five years old, and incomplete). It says that Bahais may not work in cultural, educational or financial institutions, and are not to be allowed to work in the sectors of periodicals, jewelry, watchmaking, print-making, tourist agencies, car rentals, publishing and bookshops, photography, film-making, internet gaming, computers, or internet cafes. They may not own printing works or hotels and other accommodation for travellers, or teach tailoring skills. The order refers to the widespread Iranian belief that Bahais are unclean, and requires the police bureaus to block them from restaurants, cafeterias and catering, food ingredients and foodstuff sales, takeaways (Iranian-style), cafes, butchers shops, supermarkets, the production and sale of ice-cream, fruit juice, soft drinks, pastry and sweets, and coffee. At some stage optometry was apparently added to the list, without distinguishing between import and manufacture on the one hand, and prescription and retail sales on the other hand.

I'm not addressing the exaggerations and some of the false statements that you threw in your response, I already responded to them a few posts back. But, How do you even allow yourself to speak like this about Iran when the Baha'i cult treats "covenant breakers" like trash and kicks them out of the Baha'i community for good?!!

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5 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Hello Sen. I have seen your blog - you are really going good job for the Haifa (Israel) based Baha'i organization by translating the persecution news that you receive from your "Reliable Sources" in Iran. I just wanted you ask you about your status as a Baha'i - I mean are you considered as a BIGS (a Baha'i in good standing) by the "Infallible" Baha'i supreme body? Do you have voting rights ? Can you give lectures in Baha'i Centers ? Or is it that you work online only? Why some Baha'is are against you? I hope these are not many questions for you.

I am an unenrolled Bahai. In my case, the Universal House of Justice decided I do not meet the requirements for membership, which means I cannot be on the membership rolls, and therefore cannot vote or be elected to office. I do sometimes give presentations (I am just back from a seminar where I spoke on Abdu'l-Baha's letter to E. Wrestling Brewster, concerning Emanuel Swedenborg. But that is rare, I usually present and publish online which is better in so many ways. If I go to a conference it's mainly to meet old friends. 

I have suffered somewhat from personal jealousies and slanders, but generally speaking, if you find Bahais who are "against" me, it is probably not personal, just different perspective on some matters.

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3 minutes ago, Sen McGlinn said:

I am an unenrolled Bahai. In my case, the Universal House of Justice decided I do not meet the requirements for membership, which means I cannot be on the membership rolls, and therefore cannot vote or be elected to office. I do sometimes give presentations (I am just back from a seminar where I spoke on Abdu'l-Baha's letter to E. Wrestling Brewster, concerning Emanuel Swedenborg. But that is rare, I usually present and publish online which is better in so many ways. If I go to a conference it's mainly to meet old friends. 

I have suffered somewhat from personal jealousies and slanders, but generally speaking, if you find Bahais who are "against" me, it is probably not personal, just different perspective on some matters.

Thank you sen for your reply. Can you please elaborate. It is very important for me. Is taking away of "Administrative Rights" considered a type of punishment... if yes (as i assume it is a punishment)... Do your community members see you differently because of this punishment? As you are not 100% equal to a BIGS. Are there any emotional effects of this punishment? Why did UHJ decided that you are not eligible to vote? What was your mistake (I mean what the Haifa Based Baha'is consider offensive to them)?

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16 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Thank you sen for your reply. Can you please elaborate. It is very important for me. Is taking away of "Administrative Rights" considered a type of punishment... if yes (as i assume it is a punishment)... Do your community members see you differently because of this punishment? As you are not 100% equal to a BIGS. Are there any emotional effects of this punishment? Why did UHJ decided that you are not eligible to vote? What was your mistake (I mean what the Haifa Based Baha'is consider offensive to them)?

So far as I know, being removed from the membership rolls for "not meeting the requirements of membership" is phrased that way to indicate that it is not a punishment (sanction) for any behaviour. More like a no-fault divorce. Some Bahais may see me as a second-class Bahai, but most I think simply find it confusing and have no opinion. I've explained it by analogy to the coach who decides a player doesn't make the cut: a general qualitative evaluation that takes into account both the player's past performance, and the direction that the coach wants to take the team. Being disenrolled does not affect me emotionally, but it has had an effect on the course of my life, largely for the better.

 

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10 minutes ago, Sen McGlinn said:

So far as I know, being removed from the membership rolls for "not meeting the requirements of membership" is phrased that way to indicate that it is not a punishment (sanction) for any behaviour. More like a no-fault divorce. Some Bahais may see me as a second-class Bahai, but most I think simply find it confusing and have no opinion. I've explained it by analogy to the coach who decides a player doesn't make the cut: a general qualitative evaluation that takes into account both the player's past performance, and the direction that the coach wants to take the team. Being disenrolled does not affect me emotionally, but it has had an effect on the course of my life, largely for the better.

 

Thank you again. Do you mean that this inequality, second class treatment (injustice) did not served as punishment for you? Why do you think that it is better for you? Also can you please write about your action that led the UHJ to dis-enroll you ?

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5 hours ago, Ali6 said:

@Sen McGlinn, take it from me and don't even bother replying to certain individuals on ShiaChat who like nothing more than to spew hatred. 

Dear Ali,

There is one Ali on Reditt who is active in the following sub-reddits - Shia, Bahai and depression. Hope that's not you as you claimed on ShiaChat that you are "Shia". Liars have no credibility. Sen McGlinn is a Baha'i and I respect him for his truthfulness.

"Sincerity is to be admired, whilst lying is despicable." (Abdul Baha).

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You stated : "Living in Canada, as a Shia, I am blessed to live near Shia mosques, community centers, and even a Shia highschool!"

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23 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

Bahais in Iran do have cemeteries, but these are frequently vandalized or entirely destroyed by the authorities. On July 14 this year, the Bahai cemetery at Qorveh was completely destroyed: even the trees were cut down. See https://sensday.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/security-forces-destroy-bahai-cemetery-in-qorveh-arresting-one-bahai/
 

Bahais in Iran are not allowed to attend tertiary education, but some slip in by filling in the "religion" field in the application forms with "other" or "of course," or they fill in "Bahai" and some official lets it pass. When these Bahais are discovered, they are expelled.

There are tight restrictions on employment for Bahais also: they may not work in the civil service or armed services, although they do compulsory military service and were enlisted during the war with Iraq. They may not be employed or have businesses in sectors that involve food, drink or personal services. the list changes from time to time. On May 19, 2015, Saham News published a copy of the previously secret list of sectors from which Bahais are banned (by that time the list was already five years old, and incomplete). It says that Bahais may not work in cultural, educational or financial institutions, and are not to be allowed to work in the sectors of periodicals, jewelry, watchmaking, print-making, tourist agencies, car rentals, publishing and bookshops, photography, film-making, internet gaming, computers, or internet cafes. They may not own printing works or hotels and other accommodation for travellers, or teach tailoring skills. The order refers to the widespread Iranian belief that Bahais are unclean, and requires the police bureaus to block them from restaurants, cafeterias and catering, food ingredients and foodstuff sales, takeaways (Iranian-style), cafes, butchers shops, supermarkets, the production and sale of ice-cream, fruit juice, soft drinks, pastry and sweets, and coffee. At some stage optometry was apparently added to the list, without distinguishing between import and manufacture on the one hand, and prescription and retail sales on the other hand.

Dear Sen,

Regarding Baha'i cemetery I found this piece - How far do you consider it to be true ?

http://bahailiescemeteries.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/golestan-i-javid-of-tehran-still.html

Do you feel Baha'is exaggerate some stories? Do you feel Baha'is can commit some mistakes / errors ?

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@Badi19, I would share my Reddit account but it's extremely personal and no, it doesn't contain my first name. I already post a thread on why I reject the Baha'i Faith and professed to be a Twelver. If that doesn't convince you, then it's a lost cause. I know that my sympathy for Baha'is raises eyebrows in the Shia community but so does my sympathy for Atheists and other disbelievers who face hardships in an Islamic state. I was equally if not more upset when Hamza Kashgari was deported back to Saudi Arabia to face a possible execution after tweeting about shaking Muhammad (peace be upon him)'s hand as an equal. Anyways, I'll let you have the final say because insha'Allah, I'm marrying a Shia woman soon :muslima: and if you guys stay in your best behavior, I might invite you lol. With love, Ali.

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3 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Dear Sen,

Regarding Baha'i cemetery I found this piece - How far do you consider it to be true ?

http://bahailiescemeteries.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/golestan-i-javid-of-tehran-still.html

Do you feel Baha'is exaggerate some stories? Do you feel Baha'is can commit some mistakes / errors ?

The Golestan Javid story is incorrect, and probably a deliberate deception. Every Bahai cemetery I know of in Iran is called "Golestan Javid." So the existence of one (actually two) Golestan Javid in Tehran today, is not evidence that the Golestan Javid in Tehran was not destroyed. Bahais keep dying, so a new Golestan Javid is created. Perhaps the authors of this story really did not know that Golestand Javid is a generic name, but it seems unlikely. I think they were calculating the some readers would not know this, and would be deceived.

The Golestan Javid cemetery in Shiraz was destroyed in 2014, by now there must be a new one, somewhere on the outskirts of the city. See http://news.bahai.org/story/993

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4 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Thank you again. Do you mean that this inequality, second class treatment (injustice) did not served as punishment for you? Why do you think that it is better for you? Also can you please write about your action that led the UHJ to dis-enroll you ?

Whoa, all I said was that "Some Bahais may see me as a second-class Bahai..." But not my colleagues in Bahai studies, or the thousands of Bahais who are my facebook "friends" or members of the groups I moderate. Not the Bahais I encounter on Bahai forums. If you can access Delphi forums you will find that Planet Bahai has a thread entitled "Sen" at the moment. http://forums.delphiforums.com/planetbahai/messages/?msg=12563.1

I go away for a few weeks, and they start to worry about me. It's sweet, but so far quite unnecessary, I am in excellent health.

I do not know of any action on my part that led the UHJ to remove my name from the membership rolls, or what effect they intended to achieve. I assume there was a degree of misinformation behind the original decision, since there is not X for which it is true that Sen is eXier than all others, but in the event, they seem happy with their decision.  The decision has led me to concentrate more on intellectual pursuits and the online Bahai community, which is probably where my life was heading anyway. 
 

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9 hours ago, alidu78 said:

Bahaïs really believe that incest is good ?

No - that's just a bit of anti-Bahai propaganda. The current ruling does allow cousin marriages, but note the reservation at the end of this letter:

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... it is not permissible for a Bahá’í to marry his or her mother or father and their siblings and forebears, brothers or sisters and their descendents, or sons or daughters and their descendents. It is also not permissible to marry some corresponding categories of relations formed by bonds of marriage—such as the step-mother, step-father, step-daughter, or stepson, or the daughter-in-law, son-in-law, mother-in-law, or father-in-law—or similar categories of relations formed by legal and social bonds that create a shared family life, for example through adoption. Beyond these prohibitions, Bahá’ís should ensure they do not contract a marriage that would violate the customs or laws of the country in which they reside. While the House of Justice has refrained, at this stage, from defining other categories of relations with whom marriage is prohibited, it is important for believers everywhere to be mindful of this clear statement by the Master:

“In marriage the more distant the blood-relationship the better, for such distance in family ties between husband and wife provideth the basis for the well-being of humanity and is conducive to fellowship among mankind.”
(From a letter dated 15 January 2010 written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer)

 

In practice, I am not aware of first-cousin marriages in the Bahai community today. Historically, I think first and second cousin marriages were reasonably common in the Bahai community in Iran, but never a preferred match in the way they are in North Africa. 

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7 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Dear Sen,

Regarding Baha'i cemetery I found this piece - How far do you consider it to be true ?

http://bahailiescemeteries.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/golestan-i-javid-of-tehran-still.html

Do you feel Baha'is exaggerate some stories? Do you feel Baha'is can commit some mistakes / errors ?

Are you really an ex bahai ?

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