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The Prophet Muhammad pbuhap said to Ali bin Abi Talib on the night of his death: "....Then if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, Muhammad the Entrusted of the Holy Family of Muhammad peace be upon them. So these are the twelve Imams. Then after him, there will be twelve Mahdis. So if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my father’s: Abdullah (servant of Allah), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (rightly guided). He is the first of the believers.”  Sheikh Al-Toosi, Al-Ghayba p.150

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@Qa'im
Number of narrations from the Prophet s.a.w.w saying that the one who will be given allegiance between the Rukn and Maqam is Ahmed by name, the man with three names.

and it has a full connected chain, narrators from the companion Huthayfa son of AlYamani who lived during some time of the Jahilya and then after 1 A.H he heard,saw and reports from the Prophet s.a.w.w and also Abu Wael reports from Huthayfa,for he lived during the times of the Prophet s.a.w. and he is a Taba'i but hasn't seen him and he turned away from the army of Muawya l.a. and joined Ali a.s. in Sifeen.Abu Wael reported the hadeeth which was mentioned in the Sunni books concerning the Prophet s.a.w.w receiving sand from Karbala through Gabriel a.s. and AlAmash who reports from Abu Wa'el is a known narrator and is in that same chain of the hadeeth about Hussain a.s. and Gabriel a.s. taking the sand from a city in Iraq and gave it to the Prophet s.a.w.w. And the one who reports from AlAmash is Ismael son of Ayash(the narrator in the chain of the hadeeth about the Mahdi's name is Ahmed) who in Levant(Sham)once approached people slandering Ali a.s. so he stopped them and made the people cut off the slandering against Ali a.s. and he has hadeeths about loving Hasan and Hussain and Ali son of Abi Taleb a.s. and the one who reports from Ismael son of Ayash is AlFathel Ibn Shathan who is one of the greatest working companions of the Imams who wrote 180 books defending the Shia creed. And so this hadeeth about Ahmed, Abdullah, AlMahdi has been then mentioned in the book Gaibat AlToosi that we have today and the names of the narrators and their descriptions we have mentioned just now. Its under the chapter of the signs before the emergence,appearance of Imam AlMahdi a.s.

And Sheikh AlToosi says that when he reports from Fathel Ibn Shathan, Sheikh AlMufeed(Abu Abdullah), Ahmad son of Abdoon, Hussain son Ubaydallah AlGathaeri reported him this and Muhammad AlHasan AlAlawi reports from Muhammad son of Qutayba AlNayshaboori the student of Fathel Ibn Shathan and he(the student) reports from Fathel Ibn Shathan.(Istibsar v.4 p.342)

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1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

how can your cult leader be a mahdi after the awaited imam, if the awaited imam hasnt returned yet?

Imam Ahmad al Hasan a.s is with Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s, he is his son and messenger and successor, and the Yamani who will be helped by the Khorasani and Shuayb ibn Saleh

When Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s passes, the successor shall be Ahmed al Hasan (as), that's the line you quoted,

Imam Ahmad al Hasan a.s is the one who guides to the 12th Imam , the Yamani is the one who paves the way , and so he has to appear to the people before the re-appearance of Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s

Imam al Baqir (as) said:

“None of the banners are more guided than the banner of the Yamani, it is the Banner of Guidance because he calls to your companion (Imam al Mahdi). So if the Yamani emerges, selling weapons to people or any Muslim becomes prohibited. And if the Yamani emerges, stand up to him because his banner is the banner of guidance. It is prohibited for any Muslim to turn away from him. And who ever turns away from him, then he is from the people of hell, because he calls to the truth and to the straight path”. 

- Ghaibat al Nu’mani p.264, Door.14

 

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23 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

what, physically?

Yes, at this stage of time, Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s has veiled himself from the people through his son Imam Ahmed al Hassan a.s and also 12 individuals who are the Cheiftains, they are the greatest of people after the Imam a.s. and the most closest to the Imam a.s in rank

The AhlulBayt (as) said:

"The Qaim shall not rise until twelve men come forth and say that they have seen the Qa'im, but the people shall belie them."

-Al Ghaibah al Nu'mani p285

Many prophesied characters are here today already, such as the Khorasani, Shuayb ibn Saleh, Sufyani, the man who is metaphorically referred to as the Red Planet (planet X / Nibiru), Nafs Zakiya etc.....

The most important and the one to focus on at this stage is the Yamani , the one with the guided banner , Imam Ahmed al Hasan a.s

 

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15 minutes ago, ibn_Ibrahim said:

Yes, at this stage of time, Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s has veiled himself from the people through his son Imam Ahmed al Hassan a.s and also 12 individuals who are the Cheiftains, they are the greatest of people after the Imam a.s. and the most closest to the Imam a.s in rank

well, thats just 100% refined pure organic vegan friendly BS isnt it.

May Allah guide you before its too late. have you ever seen any proof of your claims?

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10 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

well, thats just 100% refined pure organic vegan friendly BS isnt it.

May Allah guide you before its too late. have you ever seen any proof of your claims?

Funny line bro,

I have seen many many proofs and also have done an istikhara,

You can refer to my topic and replies here it contains many more proofs, 

You can also watch this video and the other videos on the channel

https://www.youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=qphI255e7h0

Thank you for your dua, I likewise ask Allah swt the same for you, don't throw this behind your back without properly looking into it, you'll be in a lot of regret over this matter if so. All sects of Islam believe this age is the age of the end of times, many signs of the coming Hour have came and passed .... I would have thought a narrator of Islamic books would have been a bit more awake .... Allah swt never leaves a sincere servant misguided, ever ....

 

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You seem like a genuine fellow, so I wont be sarcastic or harsh towards you. 

What *proof* have you seen that your leader is in close, physical contact with the awaited imam (atfs)? That would convince a cynic like me?

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Salam 

I have some questions:

1.how can we narrate Hadis directly and deduct some important, basic Islamic ideology? when we know understanding Ahadis is not an easy job.

2.How can you prove Ahmad alhasan is a Yammany person? While we knew he was born in Iraq.

3.How do you say that Ahmad alhasan comes with Imam Mahdi a.s when we see nothing mentioned in aforementioned narration just that, there would be 12 Imam after first 12 Imam?

4.is one narration- assuming 100 authenticated- can stand in front of lot's of narration which assert the Imam Mahdi a.s is the last Imam and he is Khatam o alausia?

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3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

You seem like a genuine fellow, so I wont be sarcastic or harsh towards you. 

What *proof* have you seen that your leader is in close, physical contact with the awaited imam (atfs)? That would convince a cynic like me?

I have wrote about many proofs from the hadiths of the Ahlul Bayt (as) which prove that Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. is in contact with Imam al Mahdi a.s

In order to see proofs that Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. is with Imam al Mahdi a.s , you first have to look into Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. look into who he is, and see whether he is the son and messenger of Imam al Mahdi or not

Once you have established that he is a messenger from Imam al Mahdi a.s. , then your question would be answered, the proofs are in his own sayings (if you believe in him a.s) and the hadiths of the AhlulBayt a.s. which show that Imam al Mahdi a.s will emerge with a vizier

As of yet, Imam al Mahdi a.s and his son Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s are not in public , they are veiled by their doors who are the 12 Cheifs and a man named Abdullah Hashem 

You have to return to the narrations to see whether Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s is a rightful claimant or not, and the proofs for verifying that are:

Proof 1 -

Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. claims to be the promised Mahdi who's name is like the Prophet's name, who's father's name is like the Prophet's father's name....

The hadith about the promised Mahdi , matches perfectly with Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s, hence a proof.

 

Proof 2 -

The Will

When the Imam a.s. began his call, he produced the Will for all to see, which had been hidden in the books of the Shia for over a thousand years. The Will is a document that it cannot be claimed except by it's rightful companion.

If you are familiar with the hadith of the calamity of Thursday, then you are aware that the Holy Prophet (s) wished to write a statement for the people, which if they held on to, they would never go astray, however umar (la) and his friends said the Quran is not enough....

So why aren't the shia scholars asked where is the Will the Holy Prophet wished to write?

 

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh & his family) said to Ali Ibn Abi Taleb (pbuh) during the night of his death:

"O Father of Al Hassan, bring me a leaf and a paper’, and he dictated his will until he came to a position where he said: ‘O Ali, there will be twelve Imams and after them there will be twelve Mahdi’s. You, O Ali, are the first of the twelve Imams, God has named you in his heavens Ali Al Murtada, The Prince of the believers, Grand truthful, the bright Farouq (Judge and differentiating between true and false), the trusted, and the Mahdi (rightly guided). These names may not be truly attributed to other than you. O Ali, you are my guardian on my own family, their living and their dead. My women, whom you maintain shall find me tomorrow, and whom you reject I am acquitted of her. I will not see her and she will not see me on the day of resurrection, and you are the successor (Khalifa) on my nation after me. If the day of death comes to you, hand it over to my son Hassan the very beneficial. Then if the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to my son Al Hussein, the Martyr, the Pure and the Assassinated. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, the master of the servants and worshipers Ali. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Muhammad Al Baqir. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Jaâfar Al Sadiq (the honest). If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Musa Al Kadhim (The Patient). If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Ali Al Reda. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohamed Al Thiqa (The Trustworthy).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Ali Al Nasih (The Advisor). If the day death of comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Al Hassan Al Fadil. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohammed the Mandate of the Holy Family of Muhammad Peace be upon them all. These are the twelve Imams. Then there will be twelve Mahdi’s after them. then when Allah receiveth him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my Father’s: Abdullah (Servant of God), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (the guided) and he is the first Believer."

-Sheikh Al-Toosi, Al-Ghayba p.150.

-Sheikh Hor Al-Amili, Ithbat Al-Hodat Vol. 1 p.549.

-Sheikh Hor Al-Amili, Al-Iqath Min Al-Haj’a p.393-3.

-Sheikh Hassan bin Soulayman Al Hilli, Mokhtasar Al Bassair p.159.

-Al-Allama Al-Majlisii, Bihar Al-Anwar Vol. 53 p.147.

-Al-Allama Al-Majlisii, Bihar Al-Anwar Vol. 36 p.260.

-Sheikh Abd Allah Al-Bahrani, Al’awalim Vol. 3 p.236.

-Al-Sayyed Hashim Al-Bahrani, Ghayat Al-Maram Vol. 1 p.370.

-Al-Sayyed Hashim Al-Bahrani, Al-Insaf p.222.

-Al-Fayth Al-Kachani, Nawadir Al-Akhbar p.294-9.

-Sheikh Mirza Annouri, Annajm Al-Thaqib Vol. 2 p.71.

-Al-Sayyed Muhammad Muhammad Sadiq Al-Sadir , Tarikh Ma Ba’d Al-Thohoor p.641-11.

-Sheikh Al Mayanji, Makatib Arrassoul Vol. 2 p.96.

-Sheikh Al-Korani, Mokhtasar Mo’jam Ahadith Al-Imam Al-Mahdi p.301-13.

Proof 3 - Istikhara

Proof 4 - His sermons

Proof 5 - The hadith of King Abdullah's death and the appearance of the Imam a.s. thereafter

Proof 6 - The hadith about the 12 men seeing Imam al Mahdi, who the people will call liars

proof 7 - The hadith of the six year absence

Proof 8- The challenge of a Mubahala with any opposing party

And many more

These proofs prove that Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s is the promised Mahdi and the son and Messenger of Imam al Mahdi the 12th Imam a.s.

"None of the banners are more guided than the banner of the Yamani, it is the Banner of Guidance because he calls to your companion (Imam al Mahdi)."

in order to call towards you companion, he a.s has to be in some form of contact with Imam al Mahdi a.s

The hadiths say when Abdullah of hejaz l.a dies the Imam a.s. will appear to his companions to take them to Imam al Mahdi a.s.

Sermon of Imam Ahmed al Hassan a.s. - https://www.youtubedotcom/watch?v=qQndq-VZypQ
 

If the above aren't proofs that Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. is contact with the Mahdi, then i don't know what is at this stage.

When you see the foretold events take place, perhaps then you'll look a bit deeper.

 

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This reality related in some narration that Imam Mahdi a.s has no allegiance from any oppressor on his shoulder, but obviously Ahmad alhasan lives in a UAE and has the allegiance of one of the most brutal government against Shi'a and specifically Yemen's Shi'a.

We didn't wait 1000 years for a man who is living in a sunni country and he is waiting after his appearance to be helped by other we are waiting a Savior who is most knowledgeable person and has different power and he has the written  Qur'an by Amir o almomnin and all other signs which mentioned in Ahadis, we are waiting for him PBUH.

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5 hours ago, hadi313 said:

Salam 

I have some questions:

1.how can we narrate Hadis directly and deduct some important, basic Islamic ideology? when we know understanding Ahadis is not an easy job.

2.How can you prove Ahmad alhasan is a Yammany person? While we knew he was born in Iraq.

3.How do you say that Ahmad alhasan comes with Imam Mahdi a.s when we see nothing mentioned in aforementioned narration just that, there would be 12 Imam after first 12 Imam?

4.is one narration- assuming 100 authenticated- can stand in front of lot's of narration which assert the Imam Mahdi a.s is the last Imam and he is Khatam o alausia?

Salam,

1 . Understanding hadiths are not as hard as it is made out to be , what's difficult is to understand or deduct meanings from the Holy Quran , none can give its interpretation except for the AhlulBayt a.s. they are the only ones versed with that knowledge, not even scholars are able to explain the meanings of the Holy Quran. Hadiths are mostly literal, the Holy Quran on the other hand a lot of is allegorical.

2. Mecca in the times of the Holy Prophet (s) and Holy Imams a.s. was from Tuhama, and Tuhama is from Yemen, thus the Holy Prophet of Allah (s) was a Yamani, and the Holy Imams a.s. were Yamanis, and his descendant the son of the Imam al Mahdi a.s. is also a Yamani, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s) is called himself a Yamani,

The AhlulBayt a.s said:

“Faith (Imaan) started from Mecca which is Tuhama from the region of Yemen, it was thus called: The Yamani Kaaba.”
-Bihar AlAnwar v.22 p.137

3. There are many narrations and hadiths that show that Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. will emerge with his father Imam al Mahdi a.s , one of them is the narration of Imam al Baqir a.s.

Imam Al-Baqir (as) said:

“The companion of this matter will go into an occultation in some of these passes” and he pointed out with his hand to the direction of Thee-Towa. Then he said: “Until before his rising, the Mawla [Imam Ahmed], who was with him will come forth until he meets some of his companions and ask: ‘How many of you are there?’ They will reply: ‘We are forty people.’ Then he will ask: ‘What will you do, if you see your Companion [Imam al Mahdi]’ They will reply: ‘By Allah, if he goes from here and takes refuge at any mountain, we will also be with him.’ Then he [Imam Ahmed] will come to them and say: ‘Point to ten of your leaders or the best of you,’ then they point to them for him, so he takes them and brings them to their Companion (Imam al Mahdi). He will promise them about the coming night..”

- Ghaibat Al-Noa'mani, P. 187, Tafsir Al-Ayashy, V. 2, P. 56, Bihar Al-Anwar, V. 52, P. 341, Mu'jam Ahadith Al-Imam Al-Mahdi, V. 5, P. 2.

 

4. There are only 12 Imams a.s. brother, and many narrations mention 12 Imams, then there are 12 Mahdies, these 12 Mahdies a.s. are inferior in rank to the 12 Holy Imams a.s. there are numerous which speak of the 12 Mahdies,

The first narration is the Will of the Holy Prophet (s) which is mentioned above,

From Ahmad son of Muhammad AlaYadi from Ali son of Uqba from his father (Uqba son of Khaled) Abi Abdullah (a.s) he said:

"From us after the Riser (a.s) are 12 Mahdis" - Mukhtasar Basa'er AlDarajat p.49

"And peace and blessings on your guardian (Imam Al Mahdi), and those who bear your promise and the Imams from his sons” - Bihar AlAnwar v.99 p.114 v.52 p.20

"I told Al Sadiq, Ja'far Bin Mohammad (A.S), "O son of the Prophet, I once heard your father a.s saying that after the Qa'em there shall be twelve Imams", and then he corrected, "He actually said twelve Mahdis and not twelve Imams. They are from our followers (Shiite), who shall call upon people to support us and identify our right." - Kamal Al Din (Perfectionism of Religion) chapter 2, page 358. 

There are many more narrations which speak of 12 Mahdis after Imam al Mahdi a.s

Thank you for your questions brother

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24 minutes ago, hadi313 said:

This reality related in some narration that Imam Mahdi a.s has no allegiance from any oppressor on his shoulder, but obviously Ahmad alhasan lives in a UAE and has the allegiance of one of the most brutal government against Shi'a and specifically Yemen's Shi'a.

We didn't wait 1000 years for a man who is living in a sunni country and he is waiting after his appearance to be helped by other we are waiting a Savior who is most knowledgeable person and has different power and he has the written  Qur'an by Amir o almomnin and all other signs which mentioned in Ahadis, we are waiting for him PBUH.

That is totally incorrect information ,

Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. doesn't live in a sunni country , where did you get that?

He a.s. is here on this earth veiled with his father Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s wherever Allah wills, the ones in contact with them are 12 men a.s at this current stage .

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3 hours ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Ahmad Al-Hassan can't even read the Quran properly... His mistakes in it are all over youtube.

Weak argument,

There are seven different readings of the Holy Quran, (7 types of Qirat), there is also one which exists with the AhlulBayt a.s

So if the Imam a.s. pronounced a certain word in a different style of qirat, and then decides to pronounce it in another , it is not a mistake.

The sunni folk also believe in variations of qirat, and a famous reciter (Abdul Basit) would recite the Holy Quran in more than one qirat .

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@ibn_Ibrahim, please leave this thread and open your own threads about your leader Abdullah Hashem who claims that he is Imam's deputy from his bedroom in Cairo, when he hasn't met him once in his life and who believes in reincarnation and claims that Imam Ali pbuh reincarnated as Imam Ali son of Hussain, when Imam Ali son of Hussain pbuh was already born when Imam Ali pbuh died.

Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh is present physically in Iraq, together with his Deputies in Holy Najaf and anybody, Ansar or Twelver knows where to find the office, they are present within their people in real life, black banners from the east were physically raised by the Imam in 2005 in Iraq, not by Abdullah Hashem on facebook with his "black banners" made on photoshop.

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15 hours ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Ahmad Al-Hassan can't even read the Quran properly... His mistakes in it are all over youtube.

Please watch this whole video for the sake of your Imam - Mohammed son of Hasan al-Askari pbuh and then we can comment inshaAllah.
 


Also read this inshaAllah.

The recitation of {with every matter} [instead of {from every matter}], in Surat Al-Qadr [Chapter 97 of the Holy Qur'an]


Like I have previously clarified, some of the stubborn ones have tried to slander the Divine Call despite of the clarity of its evidences and proofs, they would use weak arguments that only reveal the wickedness of their clay and the greatness of their audacity against the Family of Muhammad (a.s). One of those arguments they use is: Sayyed Ahmed Al-Hassan (a.s) recites Surat Al-Qadr as such: {The Angels and The Spirit come down in it by the permission of their Lord with every matter}- therefore he is upon falsehood - and far away he is from that! - because he recites with a recitation different than the one present in the Qur'an copy, the version of Fahd which is present among the people today ([what is mentioned in the Qur'an's copy today is {The Angels and The Spirit come down in it by the permission of their Lord from every matter}]. With such reasoning/arguments, those Shia of the Marja's and the ones who claim to have knowledge want to put out the light of Allah.

When I asked him about this matter, he (a.s) said:
(They say that Ahmed Al-Hassan recites [by saying] {with every matter} [instead of {from every matter}], and this opposes the current written copy [of the Qur'an], and whatever opposes the current written copy is false, correct? Therefore, according to their reasoning, all their Usuli Scholars/Jurisprudents are upon falsehood, because they say greater things than that, just refer to their books of jurisprudence, and I am not going to say research; because they are full with accepting/approving of the [different] recitations, and this one says this recitation is more probable, and the other one says that recitation is more probable. Rather refer to the books of Fatwa [27] regarding the recitation, from the book of prayer which they have, you will find that they say that the Surahs (the chapters) of the Qur'an are 112 and not 114, and they say that there are extra two Bimillah [28]. Therefore, they are contradicting themselves; because they opposed the current written copy. That was firstly.
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[27] Al-Alamma Al-Hulliyy said: (Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, they are not separated from one another in the same Raka'. Also according to our scholars, Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah.. ) - Tathkirat Al-Fuqahaa,' Case 233. And Sayyed Al-Khoei said: ( Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah, and also Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, so do not separate them from one another, rather, they must be gathered together...) Minhaj Al-Saliheen, Case 605. And also other jurisprudents/scholars.
[28] Al-Muhaqiq Al-Hulleyy said: (The third: It was narrated that (Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, and also Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah, so it is not permissible to recite one of them without the other in every Rak'a, and there is no Bismillah between them..) Shara'i Al-Islam Volume 1 Page 66. Also Ibn Fahd said: (The second: The third: It was narrated that (Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, and also Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah. So is the Bismillah repeated between them? It was said: No.) Al-Mahthab Al-Bar'i Volume 1 Page 365.
The commentator in Al-Mu'tabar said: (If they were two Surahs then there must be a Bismillah, but if they are one Surah then the Bismillah should not be repeated....)

Secondly: You have the book "Kifayat Al-Usul" and the commentary of Al-Mishkini on it; because they study this copy in the Hawza of Al-Najaf and they work by its commentaries. There are sayings [in that book] about the authenticity of the apparent of the Qur'an, have you come across this recently? Have you read the words of the writer of the book and the commentary of Al-Mishkini about the matter of the distortion of the Qur'an? Read it and you shall find that the writer of the book says that the distortion of the Qur'an is more probable, and Al-Mishkini confirms the distortion of the Qur'an by Al-'itibar and Al-Akhbar. Al-Akhbar is known, and what is meant by Al-'itibar is the flaw in eloquence or the cutting of speech or the flaw in grammar...etc.

The scholars and the great Usuli jurisprudents of those ones say that there is distortion [in the Qur'an] and they declare that. As for us, we only said to them consider the recitation/reading of Ahlul Bayt (a.s) as the other seven recitations/readings which you accept. So what is the problem?!

By Allah, I have once said to a Wahhabi: Consider the recitation/reading of Ahlul Bayt like the other seven recitations/readings which you read/recite by, so he became silent and did not respond to me and accepted my words. So what about those [Shia]? Even though that Wahhabi man used to say Ahlul Bayt say that the Qur'an is distorted and he would argue, but those ones have gotten blinded with envy that they almost do not comprehend a speech)

And I have asked him about the seven recitations/readings and the seven letters, and that one of those who debated with the Ansar - one of the Sheikhs of the Marja's and their spokesmen - used as a proof the response of the Imams to what the common people say about the seven letters, and as such he would be saying that the seven recitations/readings are false. So he (a.s) said:

( This [person] is not differentiating between what the people say about the Seven readings/recitations, and what they say about that the Qur'an came down upon seven letters. Sunnis say, according to their traditions, that the Qur'an has come down upon seven letters [29], meaning they say: it is permissible to say"Al-Aziz Al-Hakeem (The Mighty The Wise)" instead of "Al-Azeez Al-Raheem (The Mighty The Merciful), and so on. And Ahlul Bayt (a.s) denied that and they said: Verily, the Qur'an is one and it came down from One. And this has nothing to do with the Seven readings/recitations.
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[29] Refer to Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 3 Page 91. Sahih Muslim Volume 2 Page 202. Musnad Ahmad Volume 1 Page 24. And many other sources.

The seven readings/recitations came later after their saying about the seven letters, and the reason behind the seven readings/recitations is: after Uthman gathered the people on one version of the Qur'an – meaning one written text – and not one reading; because it did not have dots or Hamzas or [Fathas and Kasras], so they read the text in many ways according to what each reader thinks, so the readings/recitations became many. And it was during the Ummayyad Dynasty when the Umayyad authority united the people upon the reading/recitation of the reciters who are [considered to be] reliable with the people and with the authorities. And they refused that the Mushaf (the copy of the Qur'an) be copied or read - with the dots or the Hamzas or [Fathas and Kasras] - [using] the other readings/recitations, so they accepted seven, and refused the others. And you have the history of Qur'an, argue with them using the books and what is present with them and what has been written in the books about the history of the Qur'an.

And the seven recitations/readings were all present in the times of the Imams (a.s), and the Qura'n would be written with all of the recitations/readings and the people would recite by them. So the saying of the Imam (a.s), recite like the people recite, means: with the recitation that the people recite with and they are seven recitations or more, and not one. And until this very day of ours, the one who has knowledge of the seven recitations recites by them all, such as the famous Egyptian reciter Abdul Bassit, for he recites with the seven recitations and if he reaches a word that has two or three different recitations, he recites that part of the verse more than once and each time he recites it in a different recitation)

Then he (a.s) asked one of the Ansar to give a lecture regarding this matter, in which he would reply to this ignorant [person] and refute his argument which is based on that whoever says anything which opposes the current printed copy [of the Qur'an] - and I mean the version of Fahd - would be upon falsehood because he would be saying that there is distortion [in the Qur'an]. And he (a.s) said to him:

( In the lecture clarify that all of the scholars of the Shia say that Surat Al-Duha and Surat Al-Sharh are one Surah and that it is not permissible to recite with [only] one of them in the prayer [30]. And bring forth their opinion, and also bring forth the traditions of Ahlul Bayt (a.s) regarding this matter[31]. And also the connection between Surat Al-Duha and Surat Al-Sharh, for it is clear that Surat Al-Sharh is not a Surah, rather, it completes Surat Al-Duha. Meaning, Allah is the end of Surat Al-Duha says: {And as for the favor of your Lord, do announce it/proclaim it} [Chapter Al-Duha (93) verse 11]. So what is this favor ? And why announce it/proclaim it? {Have We not expanded for you your breast, And taken off from you your burden...}[Chapter Al-Sharh (94)]. And Also Surat Al-Fil and Surat Quraysh are one Surah. And if you like, just mention to them the saying of their scholars in order that they don't be confused, for the people almost do not hear, so perhaps they would hear a little. Notify them, inform them, at least let be information and knowledge with the people for perhaps they would pay attention one day to the deception of those ones, and rescue themselves).
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[30] Refer to footnotes number 27 and 28, to see that it is not permissible, and it is agreed upon by all the late [scholars/jurisprudents].
[31] Zayd ibn Shahham narrated: (Abu Abdullah (a.s) prayed Fajr with us, so he recited Surat Al-Duha and Surat Al-Sharh as one Surat in the same Raka')- Al-Tahtheeb Volume 2 Page 72 Hadith number 266. And Mufaddal narrated that Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s) said: (Do not gather between two Surahs in one Rak'a, except for Surat Al-Duha and Al-Sharh, and Surat Al-Fil and Quraysh)- Mojma' Al-Bayan 10:544, Al-Mo'tabar 2:188

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Anderson said:

@ibn_Ibrahim, please leave this thread and open your own threads about your leader Abdullah Hashem who claims that he is Imam's deputy from his bedroom in Cairo, when he hasn't met him once in his life and who believes in reincarnation and claims that Imam Ali pbuh reincarnated as Imam Ali son of Hussain, when Imam Ali son of Hussain pbuh was already born when Imam Ali pbuh died.

Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh is present physically in Iraq, together with his Deputies in Holy Najaf and anybody, Ansar or Twelver knows where to find the office, they are present within their people in real life, black banners from the east were physically raised by the Imam in 2005 in Iraq, not by Abdullah Hashem on facebook with his "black banners" made on photoshop.

My leader is the real Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. , not a man who sits around on Facebook pretending to be Ahmad al Hassan a.s

The door to the Imam a.s. is Abdullah Hashem and 12 Cheifs a.s and they are who the Imam a.s. has veiled himself from the people with

You office followers will never be able to have an intellectual discussion without the useless false claims such as Abdullah Hashem in his bedroom raising the black banners of the East,

I already replied to your claims and comments in my thread ,

Abdullah Hashem (as) is with the Imam (as), he met him through one of the 12 chiefs a.s. and is now in direct contact with the Imam a.s.

Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s is not with your office sheikhs at all,

If an office were to be opened by the real Imam a.s today, what happened before will happen again, the office would be bulldozed down,

As for your office, off-course it is left alone, and i know that you know why ,
One of your great sheikhs Hamami is caught on tape snitching, and lying, saying the call of the Imam a.s. wants to make religion look bad,

https://www.youtubedotcom/watch?v=HshEf0Ppn5A

Your hypocrite sellout sheikhs are making big $$$$

Still waiting for you guys to accept the mubahala ....

 

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17 hours ago, hadi313 said:

Salam 

I have some questions:

1.how can we narrate Hadis directly and deduct some important, basic Islamic ideology? when we know understanding Ahadis is not an easy job.

2.How can you prove Ahmad alhasan is a Yammany person? While we knew he was born in Iraq.

3.How do you say that Ahmad alhasan comes with Imam Mahdi a.s when we see nothing mentioned in aforementioned narration just that, there would be 12 Imam after first 12 Imam?

4.is one narration- assuming 100 authenticated- can stand in front of lot's of narration which assert the Imam Mahdi a.s is the last Imam and he is Khatam o alausia?


Wa aleikom salam

1. What exactly do you mean with the presented narrations, what has been deducted from them? In the presented narration it says Ahmed, a Mahdi will be pledged allegiance between the Rukn and Maqam and the narration its under signs before the appearence of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh. And we know that Ahmed pbuh is the son and Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh from the Will of Prophet Mohammed pbuhap which is a mutawatir narration.  And there are over 100 narrations which speak about a Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh which comes before him. Like in the Holy Quran, Aaron pbuh is the Successor of Moses pbuh, but he is sent before Moses pbuh.     

2. Yamani doesn't mean from Yemen.  Prophet pbuhap said:"Belief(Imaan) is Yamani and I am a Yamani"v.57 p.232 Bihar Alanwar

Here we see that the term Yamani is also a term that describes a position of faith and purity. The Ka'aba of Allah swt is also called a Yamani Ka'aba according to AlamaAl-Majlesy(May Allah be pleased with him). He said that because Imaan(faith)started from Mecca which is Tuhama from the region of Yemen and so it was called:The Yamani Kaaba Mustadrak Safeenat AlBihar Sheikh Ali AlNumazi v.10 p.602 and Bihar AlAnwar v.22 p.137

Shia Sheikh Sagheer says Yamani is from Iraq : 


3.  This narration is placed by Sheikh Tusi r.a. under section - Signs before the appearence of Imam al-Mahdi, so Ahmed pbuh comes before the Imam pbuh and we know Yamani pbuh is sent before the Imam pbuh. 

Here you can see Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. saying that Yamani a.s. will be Messenger of Imam al-Mahdi a.s. to the Muslim society and that the Messenger of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is from Basra. 


There are many more narrations that say that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh will be sent before him and InshaAllah will show them to you.

4.   Actually the narrations that there will be a Successor and son of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh are much more than those who say that he will be the last Imam. And by meaning that Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the last Imam that doesn't contradict the narrations because Prophet Mohammed pbuhap has said that Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the 12th Imam and these are the 12 Imams and after them there will be 12 Mahdis pbut from his progeny, so Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the 12th Imam and he is higher in rank than them, but the 12 Mahdis pbut are from his progeny and Imamate continues with them. 

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12 hours ago, hadi313 said:

This reality related in some narration that Imam Mahdi a.s has no allegiance from any oppressor on his shoulder, but obviously Ahmad alhasan lives in a UAE and has the allegiance of one of the most brutal government against Shi'a and specifically Yemen's Shi'a.

We didn't wait 1000 years for a man who is living in a sunni country and he is waiting after his appearance to be helped by other we are waiting a Savior who is most knowledgeable person and has different power and he has the written  Qur'an by Amir o almomnin and all other signs which mentioned in Ahadis, we are waiting for him PBUH.

Brother do you have proofs for such claims or do you just repeat what you heard from some enemies of the Imam pbuh? The Imam pbuh lives in Iraq and his Official office with the Deputies appointed by him is in Holy Najaf and everybody knows where it is, Ansars or Twelvers, and even his enemies. 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

Brother do you have proofs for such claims or do you just repeat what you heard from some enemies of the Imam pbuh? The Imam pbuh lives in Iraq and his Official office with the Deputies appointed by him is in Holy Najaf and everybody knows where it is, Ansars or Twelvers, and even his enemies. 

I am visiting najaf this ashura inshaAllah. give me the details of his office. how can I have an audience with him? I want to meet him. I am willing to go through any required security checks of course. 

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1.deduction from Ahadis does not relate to the simplicity or other factor, it means everyone by having no required information start to interpret Qur'an and Hadis, while we know Ahlul albait Pbut repeatedly stated that: our speech is sophisticated and no heart can bear our Hadis except those who Exalted God had examined them.

Then you see a real scholar never let himself to talk about the religion till another great scholar confirm his ability to understand religion as it is, then he after passing a long time of study and experience start to interpret Qur'an and Hadis, like our Maraje.

Then even if we accept you can understand narration but how do you can say this person is the same person mentioned in the Will.

What factor make him a real Ahmad alhasan, what if I say I am Ahmad alhasan and narration appoint to me as a successor of Imam Mahdi PBUH.

As we see you yourself don't know who is Ahmad alhasan and where he lives, some of you say he lives with Imam Mahdi PBUH, ibn-ibrahim says:

e a.s. is here on this earth veiled with his father Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s wherever Allah wills, the ones in contact with them are 12 men a.s at this current stage .

And others say he lives in Najaf, Mr. Anderson says:

Brother do you have proofs for such claims or do you just repeat what you heard from some enemies of the Imam pbuh? The Imam pbuh lives in Iraq and his Official office with the Deputies appointed by him is in Holy Najaf and everybody knows where it is, Ansars or Twelvers, and even his enemies. 

 

We have in narration there are two ways of recognizing an Imam:

1. Clear state from previous Imam about the Imama of the next Imam.

2.miracle: being able to do whatever the previous prophets or Imamd did, including possessing the Qur'an written by Imam Ali a.s and the ring of Soliman PBUH and etc.

Then a person is Imam and unless Imam PBUH Shi'a has no obedience to anyone else even a marja, we follow maraja as a general deputy of Imam PBUH not as a person who is a special appointee of Imam Mahdi PBUH and those special appointee were four men in the time of little Ghiba and after that Imam clearly stated whoever claims after these appointees، he is my appointee he would be a liar, then we have to wait for Imam Mahdi PBUH to come and then we follow whoever hr appoints as his successor.

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@hadi313, don't listen to what ibn ibrahim tells you. He follows Abdullah Hashem, a deciever who claims that he is Imam Ahmed al-Hasan a.s. deputy from his bedroom in Cairo, when he never met the Imam a.s. once in his life, while the deputies from the Official office of the Imam a.s. in Najaf are followers of the Imam a.s. since many years and are always in contact with him. ibn ibrahim believes that his leader Abdullah Hashem is Prophet Yusuf a.s. reincarnated, they believe IMam al-Mahdi pbuh is Prophet Mohammed pbuhap reincarnated, and other deviations. They believe that Our 4th Imam - Imam Ali son of Hussain pbuh is Imam Ali son of Abi Talib pbuh reincarnated , when Imam Ali son of Hussain pbuh was already born when Imam Ali pbuh died....................... So there is no point to read what he writes you brother.

And I will answer your other points later InshaAllah. 

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18 hours ago, hadi313 said:

1.deduction from Ahadis does not relate to the simplicity or other factor, it means everyone by having no required information start to interpret Qur'an and Hadis, while we know Ahlul albait Pbut repeatedly stated that: our speech is sophisticated and no heart can bear our Hadis except those who Exalted God had examined them.

Then you see a real scholar never let himself to talk about the religion till another great scholar confirm his ability to understand religion as it is, then he after passing a long time of study and experience start to interpret Qur'an and Hadis, like our Maraje.

Then even if we accept you can understand narration but how do you can say this person is the same person mentioned in the Will.

What factor make him a real Ahmad alhasan, what if I say I am Ahmad alhasan and narration appoint to me as a successor of Imam Mahdi PBUH.

Asalamu alaikum, there are narrations with allegorical meaning and also there are narrations with clear meaning.  If we only had this narration that Ahmed will be given allegiance between the Rukn and Maqam, the Shias would have been left misguided, they would have asked who is Ahmed Abdullah Mahdi, when our 12th Imam is the Mahdi and he is the son of Imam Hasan al-Askari pbuh?? But we have Prophet's Will which the Prophet said: "Come let me write something with which you would never go astray" , so this Will is a protection to those who hold tight to it and the Ummah from misguidance, and there we see that Ahmed who will be given allegiance between the Rukn and Maqam, is the Son and Successor of the Twelth Imam may Allah hasten his reappearence.   Both narrations are by the Prophet pbuhap and in both narrations he clarifies that these are his three names, one is mutawatir, other is with full connected chain, both accepted by Sheikh al-Toosi r.a. the founder of the Hawza in Najaf. So when Ahmed pbuh from Prophet's Will has come and has clarified that is him, only then we can connect the puzzle of narrations, only by the explanation and Infallable knowledge of Ahmed pbuh from Prophet's Will  And it is a Divine text, a Divine person prophecised by the Prophet pbuhap, which is protected by Allah swt from false claimants. 

Imam Jaafar pbuh said:"This affair shall not be claimed except by the rightful owner or else Allah will cut off his age" Kafi v.1 p.232

All Decievers who claim to be a Divine figure from the religion of Allah swt, just say I am so and so without a Divine text to back up their claims, or they claim that they are a Divine figure who already has come and first has claimed his rightful position. For example Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the founder of the Ahmadiya sect claimed that he is Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, but we know that Imam al-Mahdi pbuh was born 1000 years before him, so it is easy to distinguish Mirza Ghulam as a Deciever. And nobody claimed to be Imam al-Mahdi pbuh before Imam Mohammed son of Hasan al-Askari, the Twelth pbuh claimed his rightful position. So it doesn't mean that all Decievers will have their age cut off, but those who claim a Divine text before its righteous claimant. So the first claimant to be Ahmed from Prophet's will is Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh in 1999 and he is the righteous claimant of the Will.

For example Prophet Mohammed pbuhap was prophecised by Jesus pbuh but nobody claimed to be the Prophet pbuhap before the Prophet pbuhap himself claimed his righful position. Another example we see in the Will of the Prophet pbuhap in the night of his death, he prophecised all our Imams pbut by name, and Imam Musa al-Kathim pbuh for example was born 100 years after the Prophet pbuhap, but nobody claimed that he is Musa pbuh from Prophet's Will and the same for Our other Imams pbut. 

18 hours ago, hadi313 said:

We have in narration there are two ways of recognizing an Imam:

1. Clear state from previous Imam about the Imama of the next Imam.

2.miracle: being able to do whatever the previous prophets or Imamd did, including possessing the Qur'an written by Imam Ali a.s and the ring of Soliman PBUH and etc.

Then a person is Imam and unless Imam PBUH Shi'a has no obedience to anyone else even a marja, we follow maraja as a general deputy of Imam PBUH not as a person who is a special appointee of Imam Mahdi PBUH and those special appointee were four men in the time of little Ghiba and after that Imam clearly stated whoever claims after these appointees، he is my appointee he would be a liar, then we have to wait for Imam Mahdi PBUH to come and then we follow whoever hr appoints as his successor.

Yes brother, you are right about miracles and clear textualised statement. Possesion of the Quran of Imam Ali pbuh and ring of Suleiman pbuh, and staff of Moses is with Imam al-Mahdi pbuh because he is the Hujja of Allah swt, while his son Ahmed pbuh is the Hujja of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, and Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is higher in rank than his son Ahmed pbuh, and his son and Successor Ahmed pbuh will become the Hujja of Allah swt, when death reaches Imam al-Mahdi pbuh. Like how Moses pbuh was the Hujja of Allah swt, and his Successor Aaron pbuh was sent before him, even though he is his Successor, so he was the Hujja of Moses pbuh. And Imam Ali pbuh during the time of the Prophet Mohammed pbuh, they were both Hujjajj of Allah swt, but Prophet Mohammed pbuhap was higher in rank than Imam Ali pbuh, so Prophet Mohammed pbuhap was the Hujja of Allah swt, while Imam Ali pbuh was the Hujja of Mohammed pbuh, untill death reached the Prophet pbuhap - and this is per the infallable knowledge of Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh.

1. Sheikh AlToosi r.a. said:
"Because the Imam does not know he is an Imam except by the text about him from a Prophet. So if he was textualized from the Prophet or that he claims Imamate, it is allowed that Allah the Most High would have revealed through his hand unchallengeable knowledge.Just like what we say about Saheb AlAlzaman when he appears, so the text is the origin." Iqtisaad p.194

Sheikh AlMufeed r.a
"As for their question about: How can the text be more significant than choosing?The answer: It was as such because the condition of an Imam is that he is the best from Allah and the most knowledgeable one is the most brave and righteous. And that is because it is not known who is deserving for it[the Imamate] by determining it through the mind and intuition. And so it is proven that there is no way to it except by the text from the one who knows the secrets(i.e. Allah swt) and stopping at that. And also: The Imam must be infallible like the infallibility of the Prophet s.a.w.w and there is no way to knowing infallibility except by the way of the truthful text from Allah or unchallengeable knowledge that is beyond the norms.
Masael AlAkabrya p.52

Alaama AlHilli:
"The Imam has to be textualized because Isma(infallibility)is from the inner matters which is not known except by Allah the Most High. So there must be a text from who knows his infallibility or by revealing a miracle through his hand which is evidence to his truth"
Kitaab AlAlfain p.48

And all of our Shia classical scholars say that an Imam can only be known by the TEXT...... And the text is Prophet's will where Ahmed pbuh is textualised 1400 years ago as the Son and Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.

2.  Miracles - these are two of the many miracles of Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyfDa8NKNQ - the name Ahmed appears gradually on a grave of a martyred follower of the Imam pbuh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyr1gAi1eS4 - Baby raised from the dead, broadcasted on Dayar Tv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-AIkaWkyWs - well known Shia speaker Ali al-Shokri punished by Allah swt 6 days after insulting the Imam pbuh. 

 

 

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Poor Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, he didn't know how to misuse narration in a way he can decieve more people but seemingly your Imam is a good cheater and knows how to misinterpret narrations and relate all the names and characters mentioned in narration s to himself, just by disguising three names he became Imam, sure he is an Imam but Imam of disbelief and heresy.

And I accept your idea:

"Imam al-Mahdi pbuh because he is the Hujja of Allah swt, while his son Ahmed pbuh is the Hujja of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, and Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is higher in rank than his son Ahmed pbuh, and his son and Successor Ahmed pbuh will become the Hujja of Allah swt, when death reaches Imam al-Mahdi pbuh."

Imam Mahdi PBUH is Hujja and Imam PBUH stated in his letter to last appointee you are the last special appointee and everyone who claims after your death he/she sees me or he/she is as an special messenger and deputy of me, would be a liar, and if you say Imam Mahdi PBUH changed his idea, Imam a.s should declare it for all to know that but till we didn't receive anything from Imam a.s we would wait till his appearance عجل الله فرجه and after that we accept everything Imam a.s says. 

 

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S/A

MashaIIah, the one and only true Hujja (a.j) really knew what he (a.s) was doing when he made sure to tell his final representative:

"...soon a time shall come when my Shias will claim to have met me. Beware! For the one who claims that, he has met me before the uprising of Sufyani and a call from the sky is a liar and a deceiver."

All of the endlessly long posts with 100 hadiths cleverly woven together by a man who claims his name is Ahmad and Hassan (etc.). In actual fact, there is no need to argue and debate about this. Just like his forefather Imam Ali (a.s), with one single eloquent line, the Hujja (a.s) has cut through the falsehood, refuted 100 cleverly knit lies and misrepresentations.

Anyway, after reading endless posts about so-called Ahmad al-Hassan (I say so-called because we haven't seen him, and for all we know, he could not even exist as an actual person) and the following questions summarise why I believe this claimant to be a false one:

1. I am rising up today to claim that my name is Ahmad and title al-Hassan, and I am actually from Yaman (not even Iraq): I am also bringing the will of the Prophet with me and the whole works. Will you now follow me? Of course not. Why? Because for all we know, I may be someone else deputed with the task of misguiding the Shias. Will you now follow me? Claiming is not equal to truly being so.

1b. Following from above, how do we know that this person, who is unseen, is truly who he says he is? It is very easy to claim to be someone without showing any form of identification or proof, and conveniently being in hiding.

2. Let's suppose that the so-called Ahmad Al-Hassan is the yamani. Ok, so what? What am I supposed to do? The hadiths that you all bring forward claim that I am supposed to "go to him" even if it means crawling. Great. I would like to go to him now. Where is he? Or do the hadiths say I must "accept him" and dedicate my life to writing hadiths on forums to recruit others to do the same?

3. Why is the so-called Yamani in occultation? Is there a single hadith that you can produce in which the Yamani will also go into occultation like the Hujja (a.s)?

4. The so-called Ahmad al-Hassan claims to be the direct son or descendent (it doesn't seem like you can make up your minds on this) of the Hujja (a.s). Great. Please produce two male witnesses as to the marriage of the Hujja with whomever Ahmad's mother was. The problem is, if you do produce them, this will mean that they have met with the Hujja (a.s), and based on the explicit instructions of the Hujja (a.s) himself, I will have to treat them as liars. Therefore, you can never produce any valid and credible witnesses. It is simply impossible. Then how can you prove his lineage? If his lineage is not credible, then he has lied. If he has lied, how is he credible?

5. I have heard many a follower of the so-called Ahmad Al-Hassan saying they did Istekhara about it and it came out positive. If any of us know anything about the lsIamic methodology of solving an unknown matter, we should know that it is incumbent on us to follow the correct steps: first and foremost we are obliged to use our brains and intellects, to think and research rigorously; if and only if that fails completely then we have to seek counsel from others with knowledge to get a wider perspective; if and only if that fails completely we should do istekhara. How then do you base your selection of such an important matter on such a shaky and incorrect foundation?

6. There is a recording of so-called Ahmad al-Hassan reciting quran, and in this specific recording, as he is reciting, he goes back and corrects himself. In other words, he recites the words one way (incorrectly) and then goes back and recites it the correct way. In other words, he himself acknowledges that he has made a mistake. How can a so-called lmam not know how to recite quran?

7. There is the continuous claim that one proof that so-called Ahmad is truthful is that some fellow who cursed him died. First of all, I should say that this sounds just like what the Christians said when Ahmad Deedat passed away: they said "AH! you see!! God has finally taken revenge on him." when in actual fact death is a part of life. Anyway, if it is true that that fellow died because he cursed so-called Ahmad, then so-called Ahmad is holier than the Prophet (saww) and lmam Husain (a.s) as we know that the Prophet was cursed and abused for years by the people of Macca, without any form of immediate retribution from AIIah.... and the people of Kufa rose up and tortured and killed Imam Husain (a.s) and his family, and even then there was no immediate retribution from AIIah....? What makes so-called Ahmad so special? (Note: the fact is here that there is almost never an immediate retribution from AIIah with these things. Rather, the death of whoever that fellow was could most likely be attributed to random factors. This is further evidenced by the large number of people on this site who have cursed so-called Ahmad Hassan, and have lived to tell the tale to their grand kids (I'm exaggerating)).

8. Following from 7), how do you then explain all those people who cursed him and didn't die? Why latch onto one (I don't know, maybe two?) cases that did die, and ignore myriads that didn't?

9. The latest hot trend from our Ahmad Hassan supporting brothers is "miracles". Could you please produce hadith that say that the Yamani will have miracles?

10. I also find it extremely comical that so-called Ahmad has taken to social media from his place in hiding. If this approach is such a good approach, why doesn't the Hujja (a.s) do the same? Why is he not on social media?

These, and many more, questions are quite rhetorical. They are best answered with silence and contemplation, and then hopefully enlightenment. I pray that we all achieve guidance and our end is good inshaIIah.

W/S

Madzi

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3 hours ago, madzi said:

S/A

MashaIIah, the one and only true Hujja (a.j) really knew what he (a.s) was doing when he made sure to tell his final representative:

Salam,

 By Allah, this blessed call of the AhlulBayt (as) and its proofs are as clear as the sun. The Holy AhlulBayt (as) have returned.

"...soon a time shall come when my Shias will claim to have met me. Beware! For the one who claims that, he has met me before the uprising of Sufyani and a call from the sky is a liar and a deceiver."

That hadith cannot be used to dismiss this call, for many reasons, and people like sheikh mufeed have claimed to meet the Imam a.s. and anyway, the Sufyani is here, but the people do not know yet who he is, they will soon, including the facebook version of Ahmad al Hassan whom a group of people blindly follow, 

Abu Abdullah (a.s) said:

The Qa'im shall not rise until twelve men rise and say that all of them have seen The Qa'im, but people will belie them.  - Al-Ghayba by Al-Nu'mani Page 285.

Imam Al-Baqir (a.s) said: 

(The Qa’im (a.s.) will go into occultation in some of these passes” and he pointed out with his hand to the direction of Zeetawa. Then he said: Until before his rising, one of his special servants would come to his particular companions and ask: ‘How many of you are there?’ They would reply: ‘We are forty people.’ Then he will ask: ‘What will you do if you see your Companion (the Companion of the Matter (a.s))’ They will reply: ‘By Allah, if he goes from here and takes refuge at any mountain, we would also be with him.’ Then he will come to them and say: ‘Point to ten of your leaders or the best of you,’ then they point to them for him, so he [takes them] and brings them to their Companion. He would promise to them about the coming night..) - Ghaibah Al-Namani, P. 187, Tafsir Al-Ayashy, V. 2, P. 56, Bihar Al-Anwar, V. 52, P. 341, Muajim Ahadith Al-Imam Al-Mahdi, V. 5, P. 2


The Holy Prophet of Allah Muhammad (s) said:

Hejaz (Saudi Arabia) will be ruled by a man whose name is the name of an animal, when you see him from a distance, you would think he has a lazy eye, and if you get close to him, you do not see anything wrong in his eyes. He will be succeeded by a brother of his, named Abdullah. Woe to our Shia (followers) from him! Woe to our Shia (followers) from him! Woe to our Shia (followers) from him! - he repeated it three times - Give me the good news of his death, and I shall give you the good news of the appearance of the Hujjah (Imam al Mahdi).
-Book of Two Hundred and Fifty Signs, sign number 122

 

Abdullah king of Hejaz is dead so where is the Hujjah ??!

On the night of the death of Abdullah, are you aware that 12 men came forth and claimed that they have met Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s. ?

And they were amongst 40+ men , as stated in the hadith above, Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. appeared to them and said , point to ten of your leaders or the best of you ........

 


1. Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s is from al Basra, Iraq , he is the Yamani , whom it is not permissable to turn away form, his banner is the most guided which calls to his father and master Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan (as)


1b. Nobody is able to claim the Will of the Holy Prophet of Allah (s) except its rightful companion, it is a special document which has been hidden in the shia hadith books for over a thousand years. Have you heard the Imam's a.s. sermon? Have you done istkhara asking Allah swt about him a.s. ?


2. Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s is veiled from the people in this stage, so it is not upon us to go to him yet, but it is upon us to obey him and pledge allegiance, he is veiled from the people through 12 men, and a man by the name of Aba al Sadiq (Abdullah Hashem) a.s.


3. Yes there is,


The Holy Prophet of Allah Muhammad (s) said:

“O Ali, you are from me and I am from you, and you are my brother and vizier, so if i die there will appear to you the hatred in the chests of the people. And there will be after me a silent disastrous Fitna, every inner and hidden (every hypocrite) will fall in it. And that is when your shia lose the fifth from the seventh of your sons. The inhabitants of the heavens and the earth will grieve for his loss! How many believing men and women will be grievous and anxious and confused when he is lost!

-Bihar al anwar v26 p350, Ghayat Al Maram v1 p212

 
Who is “the fifth from the sons of the seventh” of the sons of Imam Ali (as)? First let’s count and see who is the 7th son, then we can see who is the 5th from the 7th.

first son - Imam al Hasan (as)

second - Imam al Husayn (as)

third - Imam Ali al Sajjad (as)

fourth - Imam Muhammad al Baqir (as)

fifth - Imam Ja'far al Sadiq (as)

sixth - Imam Musa al Kathim (as)

seventh - Imam Ali al Ridha (as)

peace be upon them all

So the 7th son is Imam al Ridha (as)

Now let’s see who the 5th son from Imam al Ridha (as) is

first son is Imam Muhammad al Jawwad (as)

second son is Imam Ali al Hadi (as)

third son is Imam al Hasan al Askari (as)

fourth son is Imam Muhammad al Mahdi (as)

fifth son is Imam Ahmad al Hassan (the son and messenger and successor of Imam al Mahdi, the promised Yamani, who shall be supported by the Khurasani and Shuayb ibn Saleh)


Al-Asbagh ibn Nabata said:

"I went to the Commander of the Believers (as), I found him drawing lines on the ground, so I said to him: 'O Commander of the believers, why do I see you contemplating and drawing lines on the ground? Do you desire it? So he said: “By Allah, I have never desired it nor have i ever desired the world. Rather, I was thinking about a man who will be born from the eleventh from my sons, he is the Mahdi who will fill this world with justice and equity just as it was filled with oppression and injustice. There will be a confusion and an absence for him, people will go astray in it, and some others will be guided in it” So I said? How long will that confusion and absence be? So he (as) said: “Six days, or six months, or six years

-Ghaybat AlToosi p 165 hadith 127

 

Who is the 11th from Imam Ali’s a.s sons?

The 11th son is Imam Mahdi (as).

So who will be born from the 11th son/Imam Mahdi (as)??

Imam Ahmed Al Hassan a.s.


4. There is a signed and finger-printed document, by Imam Ahmad al Hassan's family and close relatives to witness and prove his fathers, they are available in arabic and also some videos which show this.


5. You are incorrect brother. You do not need to go to who you call knowledgeable people, you look at the proofs yourself, if you confused, you can do istikhara to ask Allah swt


From Ali ibn Mo’ath, he said: “I said to Safwan bin Yahya: ‘By what thing have you determined that Ali (meaning Imam Ali A Reda) is the Imam?’ He said: ‘I prayed, and supplicated to Allah, and I made Istikhara and became certain that he was him.” – Ghayba Al-Toosi: p. 54


6. There are seven types of Qirat, and there is also one which exists with the AhlulBayt a.s. reading a verse in a different qirat is not a mistake, and going back and choosing to recite ina different qirat is not a an acknowledgment that it was a mistake. Abdul Basit would recite in various qirat.


7. Cursing the Imam a.s. is not the same as a Mubahala. Ahmed Deedat didn't do a mubahala. A mubahala is totally different brother. And the Holy Prophet of Allah Muhammad (s) didn't do mubahala except for the one which is narrated, and that didn't happen because the opposition rushed to abandon it. Nor did Imam al Hussain a.s. do a mubahala with those who would curse him a.s. So if anyone curse the Imam a.s. then they won't die within few days or weeks, but if you do mubahala with the Imam a.s. or with any of his followers, then you will die, like a few have .


8. Answer is as above.


9. The old followers of Imam Ahmad al Hassan a.s. have spoke of many miracles, future events which were told and happened exactly as the Imam a.s. said. Such has the fall of the criminal Saddam l.a , the Imam a.s. said it was his last birthday when he wrote the blessed and Holy Quran with his dirty illegitimate blood.

I'll give you three more news of the unseen,

One of the Arab rulers will become very sick and the people will think he will die but he won't.

Several world leaders shall die within a short time of one another.

And there shall appear very soon in the media and news a strange and unfamiliar news story.

"Also, if they are truthful and have one of the 12 (as) with them like they claim, then let them tell us what will happen on 9th of August 2016."

watch out for that day,

10. The real Imam a.s. doesn't sit around on social media. We do not believe the Imam a.s. has a personal facebook account which he writes on and shares random youtube videos on like Mr. Anderson unfortunately does. They are a sect which broke away from the real Imam a.s when he a.s. entered into the prophesied 6 year absence because of treacherousness, and they believed in a fake office set up by the close enemies of the Imam a.s. but they claim it is appointed by the Imam a.s....

Just like abu bakr and umar.... what happened before happened again, and we all know history repeats itself.

He a.s. is with his father Imam al Mahdi Muhammad ibn al Hasan a.s. veiled from the people through 12 men ( the same 12 men in the hadith), and a man named Abdullah Hashem a.s.

I hope that answers your questions

I have covered more proofs in my thread 

WS

 

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On 22/06/2016 at 3:53 AM, hadi313 said:

Poor Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, he didn't know how to misuse narration in a way he can decieve more people but seemingly your Imam is a good cheater and knows how to misinterpret narrations and relate all the names and characters mentioned in narration s to himself, just by disguising three names he became Imam, sure he is an Imam but Imam of disbelief and heresy.

And I accept your idea:

"Imam al-Mahdi pbuh because he is the Hujja of Allah swt, while his son Ahmed pbuh is the Hujja of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, and Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is higher in rank than his son Ahmed pbuh, and his son and Successor Ahmed pbuh will become the Hujja of Allah swt, when death reaches Imam al-Mahdi pbuh."

Imam Mahdi PBUH is Hujja and Imam PBUH stated in his letter to last appointee you are the last special appointee and everyone who claims after your death he/she sees me or he/she is as an special messenger and deputy of me, would be a liar, and if you say Imam Mahdi PBUH changed his idea, Imam a.s should declare it for all to know that but till we didn't receive anything from Imam a.s we would wait till his appearance عجل الله فرجه and after that we accept everything Imam a.s says. 

 

So you compare somebody who claimed to be Imam al-Mahdi pbuh after Imam al-Mahdi pbuh was already born 1000 years ago and claimed his rightful position, with Ahmed pbuh who claims a Divine Text and he is the first person to claim that he is Ahmed pbuh from Prophet's will and Imam Jafar pbuh has said that a false claimant cannot claim a Divine text, is this even logical ?  In Prophet's Will it says that the son and successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is Ahmed, a Mahdi, so if he is a Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh he is also an Imam. How can a Successor of an Imam not be an Imam ?

About the Simari narration, who was the 4th deputy in the Minor Occultation:

the saying of Sayed Mohammad Al Sadr (ra) in his book Tarikh  Ghaibat Al Sughra page 641: He says regarding the religious account of Al Simari: Thus this narration is not sufficient, not even for confirmation of an Islamic legal ruling.  And likewise, Al Mirza Al Noori, which Allama Al Majlisi has also conveyed in his book Bihar Al Anwar  volume 53 page 318,  43.30  He says: It is one report with a disconnected chain of narrators that is not scientifically obligatory [to  follow] and as a result, it does not oppose these events. He is referring to the events that indicate that Imam Al Mahdi has physically met with people [during  the occultation], and sent people [as messengers] as he did with Sheikh Al Mufeed, depicting him as  the medium between himself and the Shia. 

“So I said, ‘O Master, indeed Our scholars have narrated some traditions about the Companion of the Matter (PBUH), that he said when he was commanded to enter into the Major Occultation, “whoever claims to have seen me during my Major Occultation is a liar.” In spite of that so many have seen him, even from among you?’ So, he said, ‘You have told the truth, but he (PBUH) said that during that time because there was a large number of enemies from his family as well as from others from the pharaohs (tyrants/oppressors) of Bani Al-Abbas, so much so that the Shia used to prevent one another from speaking about or mentioning the Imam. As for the current time period, a lot of time has passed and the enemy has despaired; our territories are out of their control and we are safe from their oppression and through the blessing of the Imam (PBUH) none of the enemies can reach us.’   

Ghaibah Al-Namani, P. 187, Tafsir Al-Ayashy, V. 2, P. 56, Bihar Al-Anwar, V. 52, P. 341, Muajim Ahadith Al-Imam Al-Mahdi, V. 5, P. 2

 

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14 hours ago, madzi said:

S/A

MashaIIah, the one and only true Hujja (a.j) really knew what he (a.s) was doing when he made sure to tell his final representative:

"...soon a time shall come when my Shias will claim to have met me. Beware! For the one who claims that, he has met me before the uprising of Sufyani and a call from the sky is a liar and a deceiver."

Wa Aleikom Salam,

the saying of Sayed Mohammad Al Sadr (ra) in his book Tarikh  Ghaibat Al Sughra page 641: He says regarding the religious account of Al Simari: Thus this narration is not sufficient, not even for confirmation of an Islamic legal ruling.  And likewise, Al Mirza Al Noori, which Allama Al Majlisi has also conveyed in his book Bihar Al Anwar  volume 53 page 318,  43.30  He says: It is one report with a disconnected chain of narrators that is not scientifically obligatory [to  follow] and as a result, it does not oppose these events. He is referring to the events that indicate that Imam Al Mahdi has physically met with people [during  the occultation], and sent people [as messengers] as he did with Sheikh Al Mufeed, depicting him as  the medium between himself and the Shia. 

“So I said, ‘O Master, indeed Our scholars have narrated some traditions about the Companion of the Matter (PBUH), that he said when he was commanded to enter into the Major Occultation, “whoever claims to have seen me during my Major Occultation is a liar.” In spite of that so many have seen him, even from among you?’ So, he said, ‘You have told the truth, but he (PBUH) said that during that time because there was a large number of enemies from his family as well as from others from the pharaohs (tyrants/oppressors) of Bani Al-Abbas, so much so that the Shia used to prevent one another from speaking about or mentioning the Imam. As for the current time period, a lot of time has passed and the enemy has despaired; our territories are out of their control and we are safe from their oppression and through the blessing of the Imam (PBUH) none of the enemies can reach us.’   

14 hours ago, madzi said:

1. I am rising up today to claim that my name is Ahmad and title al-Hassan, and I am actually from Yaman (not even Iraq): I am also bringing the will of the Prophet with me and the whole works. Will you now follow me? Of course not. Why? Because for all we know, I may be someone else deputed with the task of misguiding the Shias. Will you now follow me? Claiming is not equal to truly being so.

1b. Following from above, how do we know that this person, who is unseen, is truly who he says he is? It is very easy to claim to be someone without showing any form of identification or proof, and conveniently being in hiding.

You can do so but you will easily be proven to be a deciever, because the real Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh already claimed the Will in 1999, so whoever does this after him is a false claimant, because the rightful claimant is the first who claims a divine text. Nobody claimed to be Prophet Mohammed pbuh before him, nobody claimed to be any of the Imams pbut before them, nobody claimed to be Imam al-Mahdi pbuh before Imam al-Mahdi pbuh himself claimed it, so we know that if somebody know claims their position he is a false claimant, because the true claimants already were the first ones who claimed their Divine position.

Also the Imam a.s. has used Knowledge and Miracles as proof to back up his claim, interpreting the Quran and its verses, knowing the decisive and allegorical, answering any question that he has been asked.

You can see in this topic at the last page, many testimonies of people meeting the Imam pbuh, even those who don't believe in him who testify about his truthfulness, also one of his deputies Sheikh Nathem alUqaili  from the Office in Najaf, who testifies and tells his story how he believed , how he met the Imam pbuh, and the Sheikh until this day hasn't stopped his communication with the Imam pbuh. 

 

14 hours ago, madzi said:

2. Let's suppose that the so-called Ahmad Al-Hassan is the yamani. Ok, so what? What am I supposed to do? The hadiths that you all bring forward claim that I am supposed to "go to him" even if it means crawling. Great. I would like to go to him now. Where is he? Or do the hadiths say I must "accept him" and dedicate my life to writing hadiths on forums to recruit others to do the same?

 

Al-Imam Al-Baqir "There is no banner better than that of the banner of Yamani, it is the banner of faith and dedication, because he calls to your possessor, so if the Yamani comes out, selling weapons to people or any Muslim becomes prohibited, and if the Yamani appears, stand up to him, because he's banner is the banner of faith, and its prohibited for any Muslim to turn away from him, and who ever turns away from him, then he's from the people of hell, because he calls to the truth and to the right path). Al-Ghaybah - Mohammad Ibn Ibrahim A' Noâmani p. 264.

When a person accepts the Imam pbuh he will know and be told what to do.

The narration about going to him even if you have to crawl on ice is when the Rise happens, when now Shias have to work towards making the Rise happen sooner. You can write to the Imam pbuh any question you would like and he will respond inshaAllah. There is an Office of the Imam pbuh with Deputies appointed by him pbuh that anyone can meet.

14 hours ago, madzi said:

3. Why is the so-called Yamani in occultation? Is there a single hadith that you can produce in which the Yamani will also go into occultation like the Hujja (a.s)?

The Imam a.s. is hiding from his enemies who want to kill him, like Prophet Mohammed pbuhap was hiding from his enemies, Jesus pbuh hiding for a number of years before he returned to preach his Call. 

Prophet Muhammed SAWAS hiding, so why cannot Ahmed AlHasan a.s hide from those who try to kill him?
Abu Jaafar pbuh said: No one answered Rasool Allah s.a.w.w before Ali Ibn Abi Taleb and Khadeeja pbut. The Messenger of Allah s.a.w.w remained in Mecca for three years hiding, being afraid and vigil, afraid from his community and people.
Kamal AlDeen from Sheikh Al Saduq v.9 p.328
Note: This fear is not of death and dunya, rather a fear of failing the religion of Allah,the spread the religion of Allah
Far be it from the Prophet Muhammed PBUH&HF to be afraid of dunya.
قال أبو جعفر عليه السلام:
ما أجاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله أحد قبل علي بن أبي طالب وخديجة عليهما السلام
ولقد مكث رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله بمكة ثلاث سنين مختفيا خائفا يترقب، ويخاف قومه والناس
and in Quran: And he became inside the city fearful and anticipating [exposure], when suddenly the one who sought his help the previous day cried out to him [once again]. Moses said to him, "Indeed, you are an evident, [persistent] deviator." 28:18 This is Moses pbuh

14 hours ago, madzi said:

4. The so-called Ahmad al-Hassan claims to be the direct son or descendent (it doesn't seem like you can make up your minds on this) of the Hujja (a.s). Great. Please produce two male witnesses as to the marriage of the Hujja with whomever Ahmad's mother was. The problem is, if you do produce them, this will mean that they have met with the Hujja (a.s), and based on the explicit instructions of the Hujja (a.s) himself, I will have to treat them as liars. Therefore, you can never produce any valid and credible witnesses. It is simply impossible. Then how can you prove his lineage? If his lineage is not credible, then he has lied. If he has lied, how is he credible?

 

The Imam a.s. doesn't claim to be direct son. This has never been claimed. Prophet Mohammed sawas in his Will it is written Ahmed to be the son of Imam al-Mahdi a.s. , but he is not direct son, rather like Imam al-Mahdi a.s. is the son of the Prophet pbuhap. 

The Hujja a.s. was married many years ago and he has a long lineage from his marriages and here are the proofs and witnesses. 

Narrated by Sheikh AlNumani the student of the Thiqa of Islam AlKulainy in the Book of AlGaiba and Sheikh AlToosi in his book AlGaiba with two reliable Sanads from AlMufathel son of Umar he said: I heard Aba Abdullah pbuh saying:"The companion of the affair has two occultations, one of them will be long until some of them say that he died and some of them will say he is still and some of them will say he left until nothing remains on his affair from his companions except a small part of his companions and no one will know about his place from his children and other than that except the Mawla that will succeed his affair."Gaibat AlToosi p.160-161 h.120

Imam Jaafer(a.s)says to O Aba Muhammad the narrator of the hadeeth"As if I see the Riser in the mosque of AlSahla with his family and children.I said:Would that be his house?He said:Yes." Bihar AlAnwar v.52 p.38

Zaid son of AlHareth said and Sa'ad son of Malek:O Messenger of Allah we heard you yesterday mentioning AlHussain son of Ali and his father the Prince of the believers so he pbuhap said:"He will appear from the tribes of my son of AlHussain and lineage , an Imam who is called the Imam Muhammad son of AlHasan son of Ali, and a tribe will appear from his lineage that there count will not be reckoned and on their hands are the Muthari swords and the David armors and the Adnanite clothings and they will rise with giving victory to AlHussain as if they were with us and as if I can see them approaching the streets of AlKufa" Hidayat AlKubra AlHussain son of Hamdan AlKhasbi p.53

Ahlulbayt pbut testify to that Imam al-Mahdi pbuh has children, family and a lineage, and Aba Abdullah pbuh has testified that in the Major Occultation nobody will know the location of the Imam pbuh, even those from his children, except his Successor..... 

And also:

Sayed Ibn Tawoos said about the place of Jazeera AlKhatra(the green island) which is proof that Imam AlMahdi has children:"And I found a narration which has a connected chain that AlMahdi prayers of Allah be upon him has a group of children, who are custodians with the descriptions of the righteous ones on the shores of the seas of the countries"
Jamal AlIsboo p.310 by Sayed Ibn Tawoos

Sheikh Mirza AlNoori: Sheikh AlKafa'mi reported in his Misbah(book) that his wife(Imam AlMahdi pbuh) is one of the daughters of Abi Lahab.
Najam AlThaaqib v.2 p.71
Sheikh Nathem AlUqaily: It is unimportant for us right now to specify the lineage for the wife of Imam AlMahdi pbuh. What is important is that he is married in his occultation, as what Sheikh AlKafami mentioned. And it is not hidden that this matter is not subject to Ijtihad and opinion so that it can be said that Sheikh AlKafami spoke from the unseen. Rather, this matter cannot be proven except by the reports and Sheikh AlKafami must have observed what was not tramitted to us or what he hasn't observed. This is because he is a pious scholar, who is trustworthy. The likes of Sheikh AlKafami cannot mention by text the existence of a wife for Imam AlMahdi pbuh without evidence, especially that he mentioned(that Imam AlMahdi has a wife) without a sign that its a possibility or a saying which is most likely; rather, he mentioned it along with the wives of the rest of the Imams pbut.
And concerning the count of the children of Imam AlMahdi pbuh, Sheikh AlKafami said:"The knowledge about that is with Allah". Misbah AlKafami p.692
And he did not deny the existence of the offspring of Imam AlMahdi pbuh in his occultation. Rather, he returned their count to Allah the Exalted and he also did not report about his family.

A book from Misbah AlKafa'ami proves that Imam AlMahdi pbuh is married to a wife who is a daughter from Abi Shaib

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Sayed Muneer Khabaz one of the well known Shia clerics among the Twelvers confirms that Imam AlMahdi is married and has a lineage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK2BtgFE0s0

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This is the family tree of Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh to which 4 Iraqi clans have testified that it traces back to Imam al-Mahdi pbuh. 

And it says the following: " 1. Khizarwi Mohammed (tribal leader),  I support the lineage of Mohsin ibn Saleh ibn Hussain ibn Salman and his truthfulness and honesty. And that the lineage traces back to Imam Mahdi (as), Mohammed ibn al-Hasan al-Askari a.s.

2. Sheikh Shaya Ismail, I am Sheikh Shaya Ismail from the family of Faisal from the tribe of the progeny of Abu Muhammad. I confirm the lineage of Mohsin ibn Saleh ibn Hussain ibn Salman which traces back to Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.

3. alMusawi al Hamami (son of a Marja) , this is the lineage of Mohsin ibn Saleh ibn Hussain ibn Salman which traces back to Imam al-Mahdi a.s.

4. Mohsin Saleh Hussain (Leader of tribe Ale Mahdi (progeny of Mahdi). I am Mohsin ibn Saleh ibn Hussain ibn Salman and this is my family tree which traces back to Imam al-Mahdi a.s., Mohammed ibn al-Hasan.

5.  Sayed Saleh Aziz al Sufi, I witness and swear by Allah the Most High that Sayeed Mohsin ibn Saleh ibn Hussain ibn Salman who has his lineage coming from Imam al-Mahdi a.s. and he had signed approving his pure lineage.

14 hours ago, madzi said:

5. I have heard many a follower of the so-called Ahmad Al-Hassan saying they did Istekhara about it and it came out positive. If any of us know anything about the lsIamic methodology of solving an unknown matter, we should know that it is incumbent on us to follow the correct steps: first and foremost we are obliged to use our brains and intellects, to think and research rigorously; if and only if that fails completely then we have to seek counsel from others with knowledge to get a wider perspective; if and only if that fails completely we should do istekhara. How then do you base your selection of such an important matter on such a shaky and incorrect foundation?

 

This is exactly the case. People are presented the Dawa, that Imam Ahmed al-Hasan a.s. is written in Prophet's Will 1400 years ago and he is the first to claim it. A false claimant cannot claim it. Also the Imam a.s. has produced infallable knowledge and miracles. The Imam a.s. has produced his proofs which a person can comperhend with his brain, he can see the miracles that are produced, he can read the knowledge. But there are people who still have doubt after all the proofs, so then they can ask Allah swt about the matter and also make dua to be shown the truth in a dream, because Shaytan l.a. cannot take the form of the Prophet pbuhap or an Infallable from Ahlulbayt pbut. 

14 hours ago, madzi said:

6. There is a recording of so-called Ahmad al-Hassan reciting quran, and in this specific recording, as he is reciting, he goes back and corrects himself. In other words, he recites the words one way (incorrectly) and then goes back and recites it the correct way. In other words, he himself acknowledges that he has made a mistake. How can a so-called lmam not know how to recite quran?

 

This claim is not correct. There are different recitations of the Quran. Watch this video for proof inshaAllah

 

Also read the words of the Imam pbuh about the recitation of the Quran inshaAllah

The recitation of {with every matter} [instead of {from every matter}], in Surat Al-Qadr [Chapter 97 of the Holy Qur'an]


Like I have previously clarified, some of the stubborn ones have tried to slander the Divine Call despite of the clarity of its evidences and proofs, they would use weak arguments that only reveal the wickedness of their clay and the greatness of their audacity against the Family of Muhammad (a.s). One of those arguments they use is: Sayyed Ahmed Al-Hassan (a.s) recites Surat Al-Qadr as such: {The Angels and The Spirit come down in it by the permission of their Lord with every matter}- therefore he is upon falsehood - and far away he is from that! - because he recites with a recitation different than the one present in the Qur'an copy, the version of Fahd which is present among the people today ([what is mentioned in the Qur'an's copy today is {The Angels and The Spirit come down in it by the permission of their Lord from every matter}]. With such reasoning/arguments, those Shia of the Marja's and the ones who claim to have knowledge want to put out the light of Allah.

When I asked him about this matter, he (a.s) said:
(They say that Ahmed Al-Hassan recites [by saying] {with every matter} [instead of {from every matter}], and this opposes the current written copy [of the Qur'an], and whatever opposes the current written copy is false, correct? Therefore, according to their reasoning, all their Usuli Scholars/Jurisprudents are upon falsehood, because they say greater things than that, just refer to their books of jurisprudence, and I am not going to say research; because they are full with accepting/approving of the [different] recitations, and this one says this recitation is more probable, and the other one says that recitation is more probable. Rather refer to the books of Fatwa [27] regarding the recitation, from the book of prayer which they have, you will find that they say that the Surahs (the chapters) of the Qur'an are 112 and not 114, and they say that there are extra two Bimillah [28]. Therefore, they are contradicting themselves; because they opposed the current written copy. That was firstly.
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[27] Al-Alamma Al-Hulliyy said: (Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, they are not separated from one another in the same Raka'. Also according to our scholars, Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah.. ) - Tathkirat Al-Fuqahaa,' Case 233. And Sayyed Al-Khoei said: ( Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah, and also Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, so do not separate them from one another, rather, they must be gathered together...) Minhaj Al-Saliheen, Case 605. And also other jurisprudents/scholars.
[28] Al-Muhaqiq Al-Hulleyy said: (The third: It was narrated that (Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, and also Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah, so it is not permissible to recite one of them without the other in every Rak'a, and there is no Bismillah between them..) Shara'i Al-Islam Volume 1 Page 66. Also Ibn Fahd said: (The second: The third: It was narrated that (Surat Al-Duha (chapter 93) and Surat Al-Sharh (chapter 94) are one Surah, and also Surat Al-Fil (chapter 105 ) and Surat Quraysh (chapter 106) are one Surah. So is the Bismillah repeated between them? It was said: No.) Al-Mahthab Al-Bar'i Volume 1 Page 365.
The commentator in Al-Mu'tabar said: (If they were two Surahs then there must be a Bismillah, but if they are one Surah then the Bismillah should not be repeated....)

Secondly: You have the book "Kifayat Al-Usul" and the commentary of Al-Mishkini on it; because they study this copy in the Hawza of Al-Najaf and they work by its commentaries. There are sayings [in that book] about the authenticity of the apparent of the Qur'an, have you come across this recently? Have you read the words of the writer of the book and the commentary of Al-Mishkini about the matter of the distortion of the Qur'an? Read it and you shall find that the writer of the book says that the distortion of the Qur'an is more probable, and Al-Mishkini confirms the distortion of the Qur'an by Al-'itibar and Al-Akhbar. Al-Akhbar is known, and what is meant by Al-'itibar is the flaw in eloquence or the cutting of speech or the flaw in grammar...etc.

The scholars and the great Usuli jurisprudents of those ones say that there is distortion [in the Qur'an] and they declare that. As for us, we only said to them consider the recitation/reading of Ahlul Bayt (a.s) as the other seven recitations/readings which you accept. So what is the problem?!

By Allah, I have once said to a Wahhabi: Consider the recitation/reading of Ahlul Bayt like the other seven recitations/readings which you read/recite by, so he became silent and did not respond to me and accepted my words. So what about those [Shia]? Even though that Wahhabi man used to say Ahlul Bayt say that the Qur'an is distorted and he would argue, but those ones have gotten blinded with envy that they almost do not comprehend a speech)

And I have asked him about the seven recitations/readings and the seven letters, and that one of those who debated with the Ansar - one of the Sheikhs of the Marja's and their spokesmen - used as a proof the response of the Imams to what the common people say about the seven letters, and as such he would be saying that the seven recitations/readings are false. So he (a.s) said:

( This [person] is not differentiating between what the people say about the Seven readings/recitations, and what they say about that the Qur'an came down upon seven letters. Sunnis say, according to their traditions, that the Qur'an has come down upon seven letters [29], meaning they say: it is permissible to say"Al-Aziz Al-Hakeem (The Mighty The Wise)" instead of "Al-Azeez Al-Raheem (The Mighty The Merciful), and so on. And Ahlul Bayt (a.s) denied that and they said: Verily, the Qur'an is one and it came down from One. And this has nothing to do with the Seven readings/recitations.
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[29] Refer to Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 3 Page 91. Sahih Muslim Volume 2 Page 202. Musnad Ahmad Volume 1 Page 24. And many other sources.

The seven readings/recitations came later after their saying about the seven letters, and the reason behind the seven readings/recitations is: after Uthman gathered the people on one version of the Qur'an – meaning one written text – and not one reading; because it did not have dots or Hamzas or [Fathas and Kasras], so they read the text in many ways according to what each reader thinks, so the readings/recitations became many. And it was during the Ummayyad Dynasty when the Umayyad authority united the people upon the reading/recitation of the reciters who are [considered to be] reliable with the people and with the authorities. And they refused that the Mushaf (the copy of the Qur'an) be copied or read - with the dots or the Hamzas or [Fathas and Kasras] - [using] the other readings/recitations, so they accepted seven, and refused the others. And you have the history of Qur'an, argue with them using the books and what is present with them and what has been written in the books about the history of the Qur'an.

And the seven recitations/readings were all present in the times of the Imams (a.s), and the Qura'n would be written with all of the recitations/readings and the people would recite by them. So the saying of the Imam (a.s), recite like the people recite, means: with the recitation that the people recite with and they are seven recitations or more, and not one. And until this very day of ours, the one who has knowledge of the seven recitations recites by them all, such as the famous Egyptian reciter Abdul Bassit, for he recites with the seven recitations and if he reaches a word that has two or three different recitations, he recites that part of the verse more than once and each time he recites it in a different recitation)

Then he (a.s) asked one of the Ansar to give a lecture regarding this matter, in which he would reply to this ignorant [person] and refute his argument which is based on that whoever says anything which opposes the current printed copy [of the Qur'an] - and I mean the version of Fahd - would be upon falsehood because he would be saying that there is distortion [in the Qur'an]. And he (a.s) said to him:

( In the lecture clarify that all of the scholars of the Shia say that Surat Al-Duha and Surat Al-Sharh are one Surah and that it is not permissible to recite with [only] one of them in the prayer [30]. And bring forth their opinion, and also bring forth the traditions of Ahlul Bayt (a.s) regarding this matter[31]. And also the connection between Surat Al-Duha and Surat Al-Sharh, for it is clear that Surat Al-Sharh is not a Surah, rather, it completes Surat Al-Duha. Meaning, Allah is the end of Surat Al-Duha says: {And as for the favor of your Lord, do announce it/proclaim it} [Chapter Al-Duha (93) verse 11]. So what is this favor ? And why announce it/proclaim it? {Have We not expanded for you your breast, And taken off from you your burden...}[Chapter Al-Sharh (94)]. And Also Surat Al-Fil and Surat Quraysh are one Surah. And if you like, just mention to them the saying of their scholars in order that they don't be confused, for the people almost do not hear, so perhaps they would hear a little. Notify them, inform them, at least let be information and knowledge with the people for perhaps they would pay attention one day to the deception of those ones, and rescue themselves).
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[30] Refer to footnotes number 27 and 28, to see that it is not permissible, and it is agreed upon by all the late [scholars/jurisprudents].
[31] Zayd ibn Shahham narrated: (Abu Abdullah (a.s) prayed Fajr with us, so he recited Surat Al-Duha and Surat Al-Sharh as one Surat in the same Raka')- Al-Tahtheeb Volume 2 Page 72 Hadith number 266. And Mufaddal narrated that Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s) said: (Do not gather between two Surahs in one Rak'a, except for Surat Al-Duha and Al-Sharh, and Surat Al-Fil and Quraysh)- Mojma' Al-Bayan 10:544, Al-Mo'tabar 2:188

14 hours ago, madzi said:

7. There is the continuous claim that one proof that so-called Ahmad is truthful is that some fellow who cursed him died. First of all, I should say that this sounds just like what the Christians said when Ahmad Deedat passed away: they said "AH! you see!! God has finally taken revenge on him." when in actual fact death is a part of life. Anyway, if it is true that that fellow died because he cursed so-called Ahmad, then so-called Ahmad is holier than the Prophet (saww) and lmam Husain (a.s) as we know that the Prophet was cursed and abused for years by the people of Macca, without any form of immediate retribution from AIIah.... and the people of Kufa rose up and tortured and killed Imam Husain (a.s) and his family, and even then there was no immediate retribution from AIIah....? What makes so-called Ahmad so special? (Note: the fact is here that there is almost never an immediate retribution from AIIah with these things. Rather, the death of whoever that fellow was could most likely be attributed to random factors. This is further evidenced by the large number of people on this site who have cursed so-called Ahmad Hassan, and have lived to tell the tale to their grand kids (I'm exaggerating)).

 

It is up to Allah swt to decide if he prolongs the life of such people or makes them an example for the others.  Allah swt made an example with those who are rather famous and known within the Shias and have a following of Shias so that their followers stop and repent doing the same . Also there is a difference between slander and making a Mubahila which is a Dua to Allah swt to curse the liar, which is what one of those who were cursed by Allah swt did,  and also another well known Shia scholar who slandered the Imam pbuh from the platform of Basra .  So there is a difference, of an unknown somebody slandering an Infallable from his home on an internet forum , and a well known Shia scholar who went up on the platform of Basra .  Allah swt does as he wills. 

14 hours ago, madzi said:

8. Following from 7), how do you then explain all those people who cursed him and didn't die? Why latch onto one (I don't know, maybe two?) cases that did die, and ignore myriads that didn't?

 

Give  a proof of a Shia scholar who went publicaly and made a Mubahala ? Also are those two cases not enough for a Shia of the Twelth pbuh to believe in the Messenger pbuh sent by the Twelth ? 

14 hours ago, madzi said:

9. The latest hot trend from our Ahmad Hassan supporting brothers is "miracles". Could you please produce hadith that say that the Yamani will have miracles?

10. I also find it extremely comical that so-called Ahmad has taken to social media from his place in hiding. If this approach is such a good approach, why doesn't the Hujja (a.s) do the same? Why is he not on social media?

 

Miracles are one of the proofs of an Infallable , however they are not decisive proofs. The decisive proof is that an Infallable Hujja and Imam has to be textualised, there are much more narrations that say the Imam has to be textualised and the text is Prophet's Will.   Imam al-Baqir pbuh has said that Yamani calls to the truth and right path, only an Infallable can distinguish right from wrong , whoever turns from Yamani is from the people of hellfire, only if you dont accept the Wilaya of an Infallable you are from the people of hellfire, Yamani is best banner, so he is the 1st companion of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.  Imam Ali pbuh has said that 1 of 313 is from Basra. Also in Prophet's Will the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh - Ahmed pbuh is named as the first believer in him. So Yamani is an Infallable Imam - the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh and an Infallable from Ahlulbayt pbut produces miracles.

If you read the following narrations InshaAllah you won't find it comical anymore.

Aba Abdullah pbuh said:"Our Qaim if he rises, Allah will extend for our Shias their hearing and their sight until between themselves and the Qaim, he will need to speak to them; so they will hear and see him while he is at his place"
Kafi v.8 p.241

So what is between the Qaim and the Shias which makes the distance closer, assisting the capability to hear and see the Qaim while he is at his place. We know that there are Shias all around the world, so how can he do that? And there is also a hadeeth which says that at the end of times, the Shia in the west will see his brother in the east. A miracle or is that time different than the time of Imam AlSaadeq pbuh?A time where there is Skype,facebook,MSN and other things that Imam AlSaadeq pbuh knows it will happen during the time of the appearance of the Yamani?

"The believer in the time of the Qaim while he is in the East will see his brother that is in the West and the one in the West will see his brother in the East"
So is this a miracle or technology that will occur at the end times? It's sad that people think that the Yamani will not emerge at a time of technology and he can't use these means of communication that are prevalent in the time of his rise. Its sad because its ignorant to think there is no technology at the end of times and we are living these times right now which follow so many other signs of the end times that even the Christians,Jews and many Muslims have admitted.
إن المؤمن في زمان القائم وهو بالمشرق ليرى أخاه الذي في المغرب، وكذا الذي في المغرب يرى أخاه الذي في المشرق. 
v.52 p.391 Bihar AlAnwar

The Hujja a.s. cannot be on Facebook because he is in his Major Occultation , however he has sent his Successor Ahmed pbuh as Messenger to the Muslims , like Moses pbuh sent his Successor Aaron pbuh to his nation first when he was away so they couldn't both do the same thing.  And Ahmed pbuh is also a Qaim/Riser.

And this narration is also for Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh because The Riser here from this narration cannot be Imam Al Mahdi a.s. because its mentioned in the Holy will of the Prophet s.a.w that there will be 12 Mahdis and this Riser has to be Ahmed who comes after Imam Al Mahdi a.s. So having said that after the first Mahdi and the Riser Ahmed there will come 11 Mahdis pbut.

Muhammad son of AlMathna son of AlQasem AlHadrami(1) from Jaafar son of Muhammad son of Shuraih AlHadrami(2) from Thuraih Al Maharabi(3) from Abi Abdullah pbuh he said:"And then after the Riser(Qa'em)11 Mahdis from the son of AlHussain"

Imam Al Baaqer a.s"From the riser are two names,one is hidden and the other is revealed. As for the one that is hidden it is Ahmad and the one that is revealed it is Muhammad" Kamal Al Deen p.653 v.2 door 57

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