[Documentary] Saudi Arabia: A Regime Declining?

[von Lohengramm 969]

God curse Ale Saud.

 

[Al Amir 122]

This is all speculation, the US will never ever abondon the Sauidi .There are two things that will prove to be effective against them  one is intellectually battling their ideology (wahhabism) and stirring internal choas within Sauidi Arabia.If we cant conduct either succesfully then that leaves us with no option but the sword.

[Saintly_Jinn23 1,191]

Should any of us really be cheering on the fall of al-Saud at this moment?

Often times I think we Shi'a have a rosy view of the people of Saudi Arabia and blame everything on the royal family. But the average Saudi Arabian, even the so-called "liberal reformers" of the country, don't have very positive views of the Shi'a. The royal family may be trash, but they're probably the one thing that keeps that country from imploding upon itself and probably the best (I know it's not saying that much in this case) advocates the Shi'a of the country probably have under the otherwise very bad circumstances. The main reasons the Saudis execute Shi'a is either for political reasons that they would have executed them either way whether they were Sunni or Shi'a or because they need to make those more radical and popular Wahhabi elements who support the regime think they're doing something about the "Shi'a/Persian problem" which is also another reason for their exporting radical Wahhabism elsewhere.

Honestly, our best interests might be served were the monarchy to remain intact and more than a few Saudi princes suddenly by some stroke of luck converted to Shi'a Islam themselves, which would provide Shi'a with something of a greater political lobby. The Saudi regime falling would result in something very, very bad for the Shi'a, far worse than the kind of oppression and deprivation they suffer from now. A monarchy with a half-hearted committment to their own Wahhabism is much more preferable than a Wahhabi democracy/socialist republic.

[King 3,724]

The problem is that wahabism would never have taken off in the first place if it wasn't for the support of the Saudi family.  The Saudi family had the  means to dispose of these radical elements, especially as the oil money rolled in, what would have proceeded would have been just another centralized monarchy, but the damage, at least ideologically speaking would have remained local.  You wouldn't have thousands of wahabi madrassahs popping up in Pakistan and all over the world for example.  Instead a deal was struck, based on prior sympathies, wahabi favours to Al-Saud, and perceived threats from secular nationalist islamic states.  Unfortunately the Soviet defeat also provided a lot of momentum to the movement. The problem is the that the whole world gets to live with the consequences.

Saudi Arabia will never be the same, their decline is inevitable, whoever ends up filling the space will probably be hampered with severe financial/economic issues preventing them from consolidating power over an extended period.

Edited June 17, 2016 by King

[Saintly_Jinn23 1,191]

52 minutes ago, King said:

The problem is that wahabism would never have taken off in the first place if it wasn't for the support of the Saudi family.  The Saudi family had the  means to dispose of these radical elements, especially as the oil money rolled in, what would have proceeded would have been just another centralized monarchy, but the damage, at least ideologically speaking would have remained local.  You wouldn't have thousands of wahabi madrassahs popping up in Pakistan and all over the world for example.  Instead a deal was struck, based on prior sympathies, wahabi favours to Al-Saud, and perceived threats from secular nationalist islamic states.  Unfortunately the Soviet defeat also provided a lot of momentum to the movement. The problem is the that the whole world gets to live with the consequences.

Saudi Arabia will never be the same, their decline is inevitable, whoever ends up filling the space will probably be hampered with severe financial/economic issues preventing them from consolidating power over an extended period.

While the responsibility of for the spread of Wahhabism lies mostly on the Saudi family's shoulders and they cannot be exonerated in the eyes of God for exporting that cancer which has resulted in the deaths and oppression of thousands as they enjoy all the decadent pleasures they wish, unless they do something especially virtuous in the eyes of God to put an end to it, my only issue is that I can't see anything coming out of their fall that isn't ten times worse unless they get replaced by another dynasty that keeps the same autocratic power structure

We've seen how democracies and Wahhabism mix in places like Pakistan. It isn't pretty.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Saintly_Jinn23