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https://www.yahoo.com/news/orlando-fla-ap-gunman-wielding-000000701.html 

 

It looks like these people are just going to make life harder for everyone now? I feel like we are going to be in some deep trouble. (I mean the Islamic community)

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11 minutes ago, Hasnain Ali1 said:

Salaams

Most def my brother, however i think this is a false flag op to create more hate and dislike towards muslims, must have been planned and created for an agenda, i could be wrong.

i need some evidence to be convinced of this. i think it's too early to say this for sure.

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14 minutes ago, It's me hello said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/orlando-fla-ap-gunman-wielding-000000701.html 

 

It looks like these people are just going to make life harder for everyone now? I feel like we are going to be in some deep trouble. (I mean the Islamic community)

You should read the hate comments people have against gays on this forum.  When someone says something hateful towards a gay person, they are in effect saying they wish they would die.  Because they have contempt for their existence.  No one should have contempt for anyone anything because everyone exists through His love.  Yes, you can detest certain behavior, but only so (with the sole intention) that if you personally were to act that way you would be barred from God's presence.  

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7 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

You should read the hate comments people have against gays on this forum.  When someone says something hateful towards a gay person, they are in effect saying they wish they would die.  Because they have contempt for their existence.  No one should have contempt for anyone anything because everyone exists through His love.  Yes, you can detest certain behavior, but only so (with the sole intention) that if you personally were to act that way you would be barred from God's presence.  

 

I do not with for these people to die, though the people who do should be careful what they wish for. However, I wish for these people to change their mindsets, and be like how people are supposed to be.

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22 minutes ago, It's me hello said:

 

I do not with for these people to die, though the people who do should be careful what they wish for. However, I wish for these people to change their mindsets, and be like how people are supposed to be.

The only change we should expect is from our own souls.  Because everything is already perfect, any imperfection we see is because of a spiritual myopia we have from within ourselves.

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33 minutes ago, Hasnain Ali1 said:

Salaams

Most def my brother, however i think this is a false flag op to create more hate and dislike towards muslims, must have been planned and created for an agenda, i could be wrong.

Nah, it's just more Nasibis being Nasibi.

 

24 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

You should read the hate comments people have against gays on this forum.  When someone says something hateful towards a gay person, they are in effect saying they wish they would die.  Because they have contempt for their existence.  No one should have contempt for anyone anything because everyone exists through His love.  Yes, you can detest certain behavior, but only so (with the sole intention) that if you personally were to act that way you would be barred from God's presence.  

I agree that people take the traditional penalties for homosexuality as an excuse to say all sorts of unnecessary and hateful things on this site, but that doesn't change the fact that traditionally Islam and the school of Ahlul Bayt condemn homosexuality in the strictest terms and consider a punishment worthy of death, just as the Bible does. What room there is to negotiate the death penalty is something that needs to be discussed, however, especially in the absence of an infallible Imam (as)

While this shooter was clearly in the wrong for trying to assume he has the right to punish non-Muslims in a non-Muslim country for doing an act that is against Islam, and of course he's a fanboy of the Satanic State of Iraq & The Levant because these people are basically rabid animals overdue to be put to  sleep, I'm not sure if I would go so far as to call the gays he killed 100% innocent in the eyes of God. They were innocent in the eyes of American law though and that's what we should of course focus on. As American citizens, we either must follow the laws of those who have been generous enough to allow us to live here or be willing to pay the penalties if we break their laws without making excuses for ourselves as if we are not to be held accountable for causing social disorder or harm to others in their countries. But that's of course what these devils desire isn't it, to force the rest of us into a war we don't want or need. These people love it when Muslims are oppressed or hated in the West, because they see it as an opportunity for themselves.

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47 minutes ago, Saintly_Jinn23 said:

I'm not sure if I would go so far as to call the gays he killed 100% innocent in the eyes of God.

You dont know anything about the sex lives of the individuals who were murdered yesterday. Many of them probably werent gay because (according to reports ive read) it was a club that was popular with all kinds of people, including many latinos on the clubs 'latino night'. So the most you can say is that they were there to enjoy music and dancing and as they were unlikely to be from conservative Muslim backgrounds i doubt they were cognisant of that being at all problematic spiritually speaking.

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It's a hate crime.The headlines are calling it a terrorist act. Why isn't it called a terrorist act when someone bombs an abortion clinic. I think the media is working on changing the definition of terrorism from "crime committed to influence a political or social cause" to "any crime committed by a Muslim person".

Whatever you call it, murder of innocent people is never justified. May the families and friends of the victims find peace and comfort. 

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I live in FL. This happened twenty minutes from my younger sister's apartment. She & her ex-bf have done DJ sets at this club before.

What's really bothering me the most is that this had to happen right after I received a copy of the meaning of Qur'an (English) and was up until 5am reading the posts on this forum about the Islamic connections to Frank Herbert's Dune. Even worse, it happened about a two weeks after I began researching the legit truth about Islam and tuned out the US chatterbox outlets that filled my head with erroneous information since I was a teenage boy.

I tend to see "meaning" in everything and I feel like it's God punishing me (I was raised Catholic but left the church because of how they are granting my father an annulment without any question twenty years after he walked out on my us) for even daring to try and gain knowledge. I know the folks who go to the Masjid in my town are beside themselves as this literally will make their lives that much more difficult.

I am very sad, confused, angry and above all, feeling like I was somehow responsible for this by trying to learn & being receptive to ideas outside of my current understanding of the world. :( I created this account just now to try and be brave and push through the nagging fear that something horrible might happen to me or my loved ones for my interest.

Words cannot begin to describe the depression I am feeling.

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I feel that Muslims will have a very hard time living in the U.S. In the future. I hope we don't see an elevated rate of hate crimes against Muslims, or anyone.

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The Boxer Muhammad Ali, his name was everywhere when he passed away, and I bet you it made people interested in Islam  because he is considered a hero. Then this happens......just wow ....wow......u cant go a week with praising a Muslim on social media, when  some %#%##$#  in Orlando's sole mission is to give Islam a bad name. Honestly its the work of Dajjal's army no doubt about it. 

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14 minutes ago, GD41586 said:

I am very sad, confused, angry and above all, feeling like I was somehow responsible for this by trying to learn & being receptive to ideas outside of my current understanding of the world. :( I created this account just now to try and be brave and push through the nagging fear that something horrible might happen to me or my loved ones for my interest.

Words cannot begin to describe the depression I am feeling.

Welcome to shiachat. I'm sorry you've come here under such terrible circumstances, but hopefully you will look around the forum and we can be helpful to you in your study of Islam. 

Never blame yourself for someone else's actions. You didn't cause that psycho to go on a shooting spree; that was his choice. The Quran says no man can bear the burden of another. 

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@GD41586 Thats superstitious thinking and not healthy, so please challenge these worries. What happened in Orlando was due to choices made by that individual (and anyone who assisted him), it had nothing to do with you. It was his business and Gods business. We cant know why Allah allowed it to happen, but we must try and respond in the most appropriate way to allow for any good to flourish in response and to avert any more evil. Just being a kind person to those you meet and expressing solidarity with others can have profound affects.

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I don't know what to call it. But I won't use the word 'terror'. Because the definition of terrorism is not clear to me. If terrorism simply means killing innocent people, why wasn't Adolf Hitler ever called a terrorist? Why are George bush and Tony Blair never called terrorists for killing innocent iraqi people? 

This incident will be condemned by the international community. But 2 days back 30 civilians died in a U.S led coalition air strike in Syria. I wish they condemn that also. But I'm afraid it'll never happen. And as for defination of terrorism, it is confusing.

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24 minutes ago, Ruq said:

You dont know anything about the sex lives of the individuals who were murdered yesterday. Many of them probably werent gay because (according to reports ive read) it was a club that was popular with all kinds of people, including many latinos on the clubs 'latino night'. So the most you can say is that they were there to enjoy music and dancing and as they were unlikely to be from conservative Muslim backgrounds i doubt they were cognisant of that being at all problematic spiritually speaking.

My more open views towards music have been made clear before, but either way I doubt such an establishment that catered primarily to homosexuals partgoers had a very high rate of sexual or moral fidelity, whether all the goers were gay or not. But again, that's not the point.  I bring this up only because I know there are some on this site of a particularly conservative religious disposition who may be a little confused how to react to an ISIS fan killing homosexuals, considering that Shi'i law agrees that homosexuality is a grave sin that in worst case scenarios may be punishable by death. I'm trying to say that we don't need to change our stance on homosexuality just to seem less extreme nor do we need to somehow regard this individual's actions as any less reprehensible simply because those he targeted may not have been totally innocent from our point of view.

@GD41586

If you are sincerely considering conversion/reversion to Islam/Shi'ism, I hope this event won't discourage you. Know that the best way to prevent disasters like this is to learn about true Islam and continue to consistently perform good deeds in the name of Allah (swt), His Prophet and the family of His Prophet.  It may be that your sincerity and honest desires are being tested and test whether you choose to take this incident as an excuse to close your mind off.

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8 minutes ago, Ruq said:

@GD41586 Thats superstitious thinking and not healthy, so please challenge these worries. 

It is a very destructive and bad tendency that I am currently working towards dropping. I've had a lot of contact with other denominations of christians, many of them fundamentalist baptist or evangelical and you would be amazed at how often that concept of "You/someone mocked God so now you/they are getting what they deserve!" is thrown around, which is in my understanding, completely antithetical to the message of Jesus/Isa.

This person that did this thing was a monster. Looking at what I've already read in the meaning of Qur'an, he was hiding behind Islam to justify his rage at other people. Of course the squawkers on the American right-web are salivating at this because they have such a burning hatred of Islam and Muslims for whatever reason and just a quick google search will turn up "Still think Islam is peaceful?" and all of the same narratives and "Look! There it is!" Proof texting that they are wont to engage in every single time; but they are always the very first ones to play the "No True Scottsman" card whenever a christian loses their mind and starts slaying people... or beating up people they suspect of being Muslims for "revenge".

This country has truly lost it's collective mind.

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