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Do the Jews believe in a savior?

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In the Torah and the Gospel, there are some glad tidings about the emergence of a promised universal reformer who will appear at the End of Time. In following
we refer to some of them:

In Psalms:
In more than 35 places of 150chapters of Psalms we can see glad tidings about the Promised Savior:
Psalms, 37:9, "For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." Psalms, 37:17, "For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous." Psalms, 37:18, "The LORD knoweth the days of the upright:
and their inheritance shall be forever/'Psalms, 37:38 "But the transgressors
shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off."

In Isaiah:
In some parts of this book, God promises His servants that it won't last too much for justice to be implemented in the earth and that afterwards,
peacefulness will last there forever: Isaiah, 56:1}
"Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness
to be revealed. 32:17, "And the work of righteousness shall be peace;

and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for .ever.
"Isaiah, 32:16, "And my eople shall dwell in a peaceable habitation and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places.'Tn Zechariah: Zecha nah, 14: 9, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."

In Daniel:
Daniel, 12: 1, "And at that time shall Michael
stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel, 12: 2, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Daniel, 12: 3, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." 1

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The figures of the messiah and the savior overlap in Judeo-Christian. Jews believe in a king who is a messiah and would bring them to be the meek who shall inherent the earth and they would rule the world and spread the Jewish teachings and aspire nations to follow them by example. They believe that when he comes out they will live into paradise-like state where their dead would be resurrected and live in forever bliss on this earth. They don't believe in separate doomsday event and a post-doomsday world of hell and heaven.

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I agree with icherub, they're waiting for the promised Messiah, that is a kind of king that will rule and will make a great  political, economical and social change. Jews don't believe Jesus Christ is the promised messiah, if they did, that would make them Christians or at least Mesianic Jews.

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3 hours ago, Nataly said:

I agree with icherub, they're waiting for the promised Messiah, that is a kind of king that will rule and will make a great  political, economical and social change.

Salam Nataly,

True.

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Jews don't believe Jesus Christ is the promised messiah,

Some Jews did and do, though most Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ. :( That's their decision though, same as it's the decision of Gentiles to believe in Jesus Christ: some Gentiles do believe; many don't.

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if they did, that would make them Christians or at least Mesianic Jews.

My Jewish friends who have accepted Jesus (Yeshua) as the Mashiach (Messiah/Christ) call themselves Messianic Jews. However, their families no longer think they are Jews, because there's this idea being taught in many Jewish circles that "Jews can't believe in Jesus."  :(

However, Jews can believe in Jesus, and can believe in Muhammad too. Becoming a follower of Jesus or of Muhammad doesn't take away Jewishness, although some Jewish groups teach that it does.

Similarly, believing in Jesus Christ doesn't take away being a Gentile.  Gentiles can believe in Jesus, same as Jews can. The first believers in Jesus by the way were all Jews, and they were surprised when God showed Peter and them that Gentiles can follow Jesus too! (Acts 10)

The following is an interesting debate concerning if Jews can believe in Jesus. Dr. Michael Brown is a Jew who accepted Jesus (Yeshua) and has defended his right to do so and still consider himself Jewish to other Jews who reject his Jewishness for his beliefs in Jesus.

Peace and God bless you

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On 8/26/2016 at 3:15 PM, Nataly said:

I agree with icherub, they're waiting for the promised Messiah, that is a kind of king that will rule and will make a great  political, economical and social change.

This is an extremely primitive view, rejected by esoteric Judaism (Kabbalah and Hasidism). The Messiah is supposed to redeem the entire world of sin and reveal God's light and presence in every atom of this universe. Universal social utopia is merely a side effect of the spiritual redemption. However, the mechanism of redemption is quite different from Christianity. The Messiah or the whole chain of messianic figures gradually redeem the world by spiritual guidance and enlightenment, not by "God becoming flesh and dying on the cross". This idea is foreign to Judaism. Many great Jewish esotericists are very much in line with Ibn Arabi's Wahdat al-Wujud. Everything around us, including ourselves, are manifestations of God's lights and names, but God does not "become flesh". His creations are merely Divine manifestations, but everything is null and void before His incomprehensible Essence.

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On 8/28/2016 at 4:33 PM, Ali al-Abdullah said:

I have a feeling the Jewish Messiah is going to be the Antichrist or ad-Dajjāl

You are entitled to have whatever feelings, but the Jewish Messiah, according to classic esoteric Jewish traditions, sounds very much like the Mahdi. And he is supposed to kill the Dajjal known in Judaism as Armulis,

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3 minutes ago, Yoel said:

You are entitled to have whatever feelings, but the Jewish Messiah, according to classic esoteric Jewish traditions, sounds very much like the Mahdi. And he is supposed to kill the Dajjal known in Judaism as Armulis,

Can you explain what the Jewish Messiah is described as? And also Armilus please.

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4 hours ago, Ali al-Abdullah said:

Can you explain what the Jewish Messiah is described as? And also Armilus please.

 

The Jewish Messiah is supposed to bring about universal justice and harmony for the entire world. According to Rebbe Nachman of Breslov, a major 19th century master of esoteric sciences, the difference between religions, as we know today, will vanish, because the Messiah will restore the original Torah and reveal the inner levels of interpretation. Ordinary people will see Divine light in every element of creation and inside their souls. Sickness, poverty, inequality and other calamities will disappear. Then it is going to be the Resurrection.

Armilus is an evil creature born by a copulation of devil and a Roman marble statue (of course, this may be taken as an allegory). Bold, deformed with a sign of lesposy on his forehead, with the right ear closed to good words and with the left ear open for evil advices. By witchcraft, he will be able to convince many Christians and other people that he is their God and lead many Jews as well astray to death. He will rule for 45 days. Then the real Messiah will descent from Heaven or some other dimension, where he lives now in occultation and destroy Armilus into dust by the power of his breath, usually understood as power of prayer.

It's worth a note that this is a more esoteric view. A plenty of Orthodox Jews believe that the Messiah will be just a powerful king who will force all Jews to keep the Torah commandments by the sword, kill rebellious sinners, force everyone to keep the original religion of Noah and Abraham, destroy injustice in the world by physical wars and rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem. But a plenty of Muslims have very materialistic views of the Mahdi as well, don't they?

According to the esoteric version, the New Temple will descend from Heaven and may not necessarily be a physical object. And the Heavenly Jerusalem may be located in some other dimension that God will reveal when the hour comes.

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36 minutes ago, Yoel said:

 

The Jewish Messiah is supposed to bring about universal justice and harmony for the entire world. According to Rebbe Nachman of Breslov, a major 19th century master of esoteric sciences, the difference between religions, as we know today, will vanish, because the Messiah will restore the original Torah and reveal the inner levels of interpretation. Ordinary people will see Divine light in every element of creation and inside their souls. Sickness, poverty, inequality and other calamities will disappear. Then it is going to be the Resurrection.

Armilus is an evil creature born by a copulation of devil and a Roman marble statue (of course, this may be taken as an allegory). Bold, deformed with a sign of lesposy on his forehead, with the right ear closed to good words and with the left ear open for evil advices. By witchcraft, he will be able to convince many Christians and other people that he is their God and lead many Jews as well astray to death. He will rule for 45 days. Then the real Messiah will descent from Heaven or some other dimension, where he lives now in occultation and destroy Armilus into dust by the power of his breath, usually understood as power of prayer.

It's worth a note that this is a more esoteric view. A plenty of Orthodox Jews believe that the Messiah will be just a powerful king who will force all Jews to keep the Torah commandments by the sword, kill rebellious sinners, force everyone to keep the original religion of Noah and Abraham, destroy injustice in the world by physical wars and rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem. But a plenty of Muslims have very materialistic views of the Mahdi as well, don't they?

According to the esoteric version, the New Temple will descend from Heaven and may not necessarily be a physical object. And the Heavenly Jerusalem may be located in some other dimension that God will reveal when the hour comes.

Thanks for the explanation. Very interesting. But Jews believe the Messiah to be Jewish right?

 

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19 minutes ago, Ali al-Abdullah said:

Thanks for the explanation. Very interesting. But Jews believe the Messiah to be Jewish right?

 


Yes, from the House of David.

However, there is an interesting aspect to it. Since sectarian boundaries will vanish in the light of esoteric Messianic revelation of inner levels of religion, the question may be irrelevant. Jewish essentially means "one who praises God", derived from the name of Jacob's son, Yehudah. A Muslim can be ontologically Jewish, in philosophical sense, and a Jew can be ontologically Muslim, because Muslim essentially means "submitter to God's will". Also, I had seen Shia tradition about Nargis, the mother of the Hidden Imam, being a Davidic descendant... Maybe there is no contradiction between various scenarios of the Redemption after all.

 

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Yes, from the House of David.

However, there is an interesting aspect to it. Since sectarian boundaries will vanish in the light of esoteric Messianic revelation of inner levels of religion, the question may be irrelevant. Jewish essentially means "one who praises God", derived from the name of Jacob's son, Yehudah. A Muslim can be ontologically Jewish, in philosophical sense, and a Jew can be ontologically Muslim, because Muslim essentially means "submitter to God's will". Also, I had seen Shia tradition about Nargis, the mother of the Hidden Imam, being a Davidic descendant... Maybe there is no contradiction between various scenarios of the Redemption after all.

 

Yeah, very interesting. Btw may I ask, from where are you? As in are you Ashkenazi or Sephardic or Mizrahi?

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6 hours ago, Ali al-Abdullah said:

Yeah, very interesting. Btw may I ask, from where are you? As in are you Ashkenazi or Sephardic or Mizrahi?

 

Hasidic Ashkenazi, by my own cultural choice. I did not grow up religious. But I am a fan of Jewish traditions of Iran and Arabic countries.

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