The worship of dead people is polytheism

[lasthope]

The worship of alive people is not polytheism, but dead people!!!

One of the strange Fatwas of Wahhabis is that requesting the need from dead body or unseen person or disable person is polytheism. However, such request from alive person who is able to fulfill the need is not polytheism. This criteria is one of Whhabis innovation that neither has been in Quran nor traditions.

According to the wisdom, if requesting something considers as worship and polytheism, such requesting must be considered as worship of both dead and alive body; otherwise, it must not be polytheism, like prostrating that is Haraam to do it for both dead and alive body.

What is your opinion, and I am wondering if there is some evidences from Quran in order that getting request from dead body is polytheism.

[guest050817]

Give me one instance in the entire life of the prophet where he taught us to supplicate directly to him and beg  him to grant us risq and children.

If you can't, then fear Allah and fear innovating things not even reconcilable in shia books.

It makes absolutely no sense. When you confront people on this, you get adhominems, fallacious logic, dai'f hadiths from accursed waqifi's or the other, but most pertinently - no evidence.

 

[guest050817]

When you ask your doctor to help you, or you fall and you ask for help, that is in the corporeal world. Allah has created a world of cause and effect, and he expects you to use common sense and interact with your fellow mortals

However, there is the world of the unseen, and even if you ask a doctor for help, you still pray to Allah swt don't you ? There is a difference between a supplication to the almighty which is above this corporeal world, and asking help from mortals by law of cause and effect.

Do you ask your friends to grant you children like some shia's ask Abbas a.s to grant them children? Not only did no-one ask Abbas a.s to grant them children during his life, no-one asked any of the imams a.s nor any of the prophets of God this during their life itself, which shatters this fallacy.

The whole purpose of Dua is to gain proximity to Allah swt, to trust him, to rely on him, to form a connection with him. Anyone that tells you that you're too sinful to approach Allah or you can't pray to him directly or it will be futile is the biggest liar, and oppressor, for he seeks to sever your connection with Allah swt, and has conveniently glossed over Al Kafi, Kitab A-Dua.

So Abbas a.s has no barriers between you and him, and he places no conditions and is all embracing all merciful, but somehow Allah swt has decided you are too sinful to approach him directly? Do people not think about what they say?

[guest050817]

Also, don't label anyone who disagree's with you a wahhabi. The overwhelming majority of sunni's consider it Kufr to ask Hazrat Abbas a.s to directly grant them children or forgive their sins. It is one of the worst forms of kufr, Kufr Akhbar. 

The sunni's who believe in tawassul believe you can ask the prophet to PRAY to Allah for you , i.e make a dua. But NOT to grant you the thing directly . Shia's tend to blurr the lines between the two, but these sunni's say what they mean and mean what they say. If they want Rasullah s.a.w to make a dua, they don't ask him to grant it , they are clear. Only make a dua.

What would happen if i started asking Ammar bin Yassir r.a to help my wife have a child, or asked Ammar bin Yassir r.a to grant me risq, cure my ilness, and forgive my sins? He was a matyr after all? He is 'alive' after all. If i can ask my mum to get me a glass of water, why can't i ask Ammar r.a to grant me a child?

Honestly, apologies for my tone, but it truly is so frustrating to see these practises. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and i have really tried to understand it.

[guest050817]

What people have got to appreciate is that there are more ways of doing ghuluw than simply calling the imams a.s Allah swt. 

Attributing any exaggerated quality, power, to an Imam a.s without explicit evidence is ghuluw.

Substantial beliefs and claims need to have substantial evidence.

And i am no muqassir. Ali a.s is the second greatest after Rasullah s.a.w, he is masu'm, he has power of intercession. He is one of the greatest creations of Allah swt.

 

Edited May 31, 2016 by Tawheed313

[S.M.H.A.]

To Launch an Active campaign to Brand Shia's as Kafir/Mushriks under any pretext, is working for the same agenda ISIS has. 

People with genuine interest and inquiry will take a different route and define their issues, as a Truth seekers do. Specially, when they have been informed many times by many people.

 

[S.M.H.A.]

5 hours ago, lasthope said:

 

There are some video lectures in english here

Dead and alive issue, is been going on for 1400 years. Dead implies , History, useless, need to be forgotten, move one, and this word has many subliminal messages associated with it.

Islamic concept of Life and death .

Death is not Annihilation of Man

https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism-ayatullah-jafar-subhani/seeking-help-spirits-awliya-Allah

وَقُلِ اعْمَلُوا فَسَيَرَى اللَّهُ عَمَلَكُمْ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ ۖ وَسَتُرَدُّونَ إِلَىٰ عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ {105}

[Pickthal 9:105] And say (unto them): Act! Allah will behold your actions, and (so will) His messenger and the believers, and ye will be brought back to the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:105]

"Act. Allah sees your deeds, and His messengers, and the believers." Allah sees and knows the hidden and the manifest, the known and the unknown. So also the Holy Prophet is aware of every action-how, when and where it is carried out, in every age, through out the world. He is a witness over all people till the day of resurrection (Nisa: 41, Nahl: 84 and 89). This verse also says that there are some believers who have been entrusted and endowed with the same divine quality to witness the deeds of all men, at all times, in all places. They are those who, like the Holy Prophet, have been thoroughly purified (Ahzab: 33).

Imam Jafar bin Muhammad as Sadiq said:

"Deeds of the believers are witnessed by the Imam of the age. Good deeds give him joy and satisfaction and bad deeds grieve him. Blessed are the believers who please their Imam."

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

This verse is in continuation of verse 103. The believers referred to in this verse are those successors mentioned in verse 55 of an Nur.

http://quran.al-islam.org/

Discussed here

http://www.al-islam.org/media/spiritual-struggle-karbala-muharram-1433-part-6

 

[Abu Nur]

You don't worship alive or dead people, you only worship Allah (swt) and nothing else.

"Say: 'O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah. Q.3:64

Edited May 31, 2016 by Dhulfikar

[S.M.H.A.]

This Charge has been there since day one...

“ ..one who worshipped Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam should know that Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam had passed away, the one who worships Allah, let him know that Allah is living and will live for ever..”

So, either people are confused, or people are playing word games, to Brand the opponents.

[lasthope]

21 hours ago, Tawheed313 said:

Give me one instance in the entire life of the prophet where he taught us to supplicate directly to him and beg  him to grant us risq and children.

If you can't, then fear Allah and fear innovating things not even reconcilable in shia books.

It makes absolutely no sense. When you confront people on this, you get adhominems, fallacious logic, dai'f hadiths from accursed waqifi's or the other, but most pertinently - no evidence.

 

I did not mean that requesting directly from prophet is not worship. If we directly request from Ahlulbayt, it can be a kind of worship so that Wahabis would have right to accused Shia. What I mean is supplicating from Ahlulbayt along Allah's Will is not worship whether be from dead body or alive person. However, Wahhabis gave Fatwa in which even supplicating from dead body along Allah's Will is worship.

Since  Qur'anic verses and many Ahadith say that the death is not the end of life and after death everybody is alive and would talk to Allah in different ways even sinners talk to Allah to return them to the world once again to do good deed; believers praise to Allah. So generally speaking, it is possible to talk to Allah after death. Then if we supplicate to dead body in order to propounds our requests before Allah as the dead bodies i.e. Ahlulbayt have highest position before Allah and because of their highest position Allah may forgive our sins or for example give us child, why such supplication considers as worship while the word "worship" has different concept!1?