Why shias are fighting sunnis in Syria ?

[Guest Adam]

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime. It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal. I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion. Yet the Palestinian issue shows your willingness to support us Sunnis, so why don’t you do the same in Syria?

 

 

[mahmood8726]

3 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime.

Because even if everything you guys claimed about him was true, the people replacing him would be disgusting tyrannical normalisers with israel, they would cut all arms to hezbollah, they would make sure no arms go to the west bank, etc... 

HTS is a rebrand of al quaeda, a group notorious for being unislamic in its behaviour and ruthless, a group in Syria that is heavily funded by America, turkey and gulf state familly dictatorships and is supported by israel itself. All of their masters are normalisers with israel, allies with israel or Israel itself. I don't understand how the last 3 days didn't make this clearer to you, when they attacked immediatley after natenyahu threatened bashar. Understand this, if Bashar is gone now, forget about the Palestinians, they will be crushed, forget about Lebanon, it will be crushed when it has to fight 2 fronts instead of 1 and syria will be a western puppet tyranny.

3 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal.

Yeah no, this is just garbage from either western media or sectarian media. Bashar himself has litterally scolded the people who made him an equal to God, in response to the viral video from the idiots who forced a kid to say that Bashar is equal to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). He basically told them how this was disgusting behaviour, idiotic and haram, etc...

 

Is syria secular? Yes, while it isn't 100% secular, as in you have some islamic law there for muslims only as I understand it, its mostly a secular system. Is it something I like? No, secularism is a terrible system, but I'm not going to support al quaeda or the FSA who are disgusting lunatics that are far worse than bashar if they get in power and rule over all of syria. It's like Lebanon, it's a secular country, am I going to now start fasad and fitnah and cause bloodshed needlessly just so I can turn the whole thing into some new Khalifa? I don't think so, there is better ways of going about this. 

3 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion.

Unless you're implying this is some sunni vs Shia thing, it's not. Bashar al assads army is majority sunni with a lot of his generals being sunni, this framing of this being a sunni vs Shia thing is a terrible liberal take on middle eastern politics. 

 

Most people hate Bashar are in 2 camps mainly:

1) the al quaeda/isis supporter type who wants to get rid of Bashar because Iran who supports him is Shia and hezbollah is Shia and bashar is secular. 

This type would support bashar if iran was salafi and hezbollah was salafi, the same way they support secular erdogans turkey or liberal Saudi arabia, despite the liberalism and secularism.

2) the liberal who hates him because the democrats hated him and their NGOs made reports on how he's supposedly this horrible man. 

This type would support bashar if he advocated for abortion, lgbt, etc... they supported kamala who is 100x worse than what is claimed about bashar. 

Both of these camps are very inconsistent and aren't thinking clearly.

 

You're an exception to the rule.

 

Personally I don't beleive in most of the accusations against him, except maybe how he treats prisoners, which is what I hate about bashar. But as for the white helmets, the barrel bomb things, and the videos or pics without context that come from sham news network for example, then no, I don't beleieve these guys. The opposition from Bashar are notorious for being liars like Israel, you can understand why I have trust issues with them.

You saw today, you saw how much opposition news lied about many things, such as:

taking hama.

some "coup in damascus".

a fake picture of the tyrant al joulani(la) dead, then claimed it was the syrian army who came up with this picture, in order to discredit the syrian government.

Driving up to places today near hama, take pictures for PR, then leave the place, to claim the places are taken, just like Israelis did in Lebanon.

Claimed some syrian army column in hama, was an HTS column, when it was not.

Edited December 1, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Muhammed Ali]

3 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime. It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal. I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion. Yet the Palestinian issue shows your willingness to support us Sunnis, so why don’t you do the same in Syria?

 

 

If you support Sunnis then why do you want to replace the only avenue for arms to the Palestinian resistance with a takfiri regime which will support Israel?

Let Ehud Barak tell you:

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I think that in -- what happens in Syria should disturb us much more profoundly, the toppling down of Assad will be a major blow to the radical acts, major blow to Iran.

It will weaken dramatically Iran. It's the only kind of outpost of the Iranian inside the Arab world. The Iranians are not Arabic, and it will weaken dramatically both Hezbollah and Lebanon and Hamas and (inaudible) Gaza, and it will be very positive event.

 

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/ampr/date/2012-04-19/segment/01

Not a single Sunni country in the world supports the Palestinians like how Assad does. So why replace him with another Western aligned Sunni state?

Edited December 1, 2024 by Muhammed Ali

[Irfani313]

3 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime. It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal. I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion. Yet the Palestinian issue shows your willingness to support us Sunnis, so why don’t you do the same in Syria?

 

 

I know others would waste time writing  you long replies, but let me flip it and ask you instead, why do you support Salafist groups in Syria?

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

5 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime. It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal. I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion. Yet the Palestinian issue shows your willingness to support us Sunnis, so why don’t you do the same in Syria?

 

 

The Shi'a support Assad because they simply don't want to live under the rebels who are programmatically anti- Shi'a. They were shouting genocidal slogans about massacring Shi'a and Christians, about levelling Karbala, their clerics like Urayfi gave fatwas to raze the shrine of Sayyida Zaynab (sa) in Damascus and to kidnap Shi'a women and sell them as sex-slaves in open air slave markets. 

It was a question of survival for us- rebel mobs of all hues from ISIS to diet ISIS, al Qaeda to diet al Qaeda, who wanted to genocide us, versus an authoritarian and militant secular ruler who nonetheless guaranteed us the right to life and worship. At the end of the day nobody wants to live under al Qaeda or its minions, and many Sunnis prefer Assad for similar reasons even though they don't like him. I still remember Sunnis in Manbij celebrating when the government forces liberated that city. Christians to this day thank the Shi'a militias for protecting their heritage sites and towns in the Aramaic belt, especially Maloula. 

If we wanted to oppress Sunnis and show them no mercy then it made no sense for us to undergo all that violence, starvation, sanctions, death and destruction in Iran, Lebanon and Yemen to help Gaza. It made no sense for us to arm Sunni tribes in North Iraq against ISIS and al Qaeda. It made zero sense for us to help Sunni Bosnians when the rest of the Sunni world had abandoned them. We could have normalized with the Zionists and abandoned Palestine like the rest of the Sunni Arab world has done, and the sanctions on us would be lifted immediately. But we chose to suffer as a matter of principle. In Syria, the situation offered us only two alternatives- get genocided or support the government to survive. We had to choose the lesser of the two evils.  We don't want to be ruled by people who want to genocide us. 

Edited December 1, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[StrangerInThisWorld]

7 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime. It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal. I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion. Yet the Palestinian issue shows your willingness to support us Sunnis, so why don’t you do the same in Syria?

 

 

I'm by no means a fan of Bashar, but as brother mahmood already pointed out: The other option is much worse. 

Another issue: We should stop thinking in these sectarian terms, because this is exactly what the enemy wants and it will not result in better governance, but rather the opposite. 

Since you mentioned Iraq: Iraq has huge issues with corruption due to this secterian mindset and the Americans made sure to implement this into the constitution in order to be able to cause problems whenever they wish. 

As Muslims we should want a just governance system based upon uphelding Islamic values, where people can reach positions of power based upon their qualifications and not some sectarian label. 

Then: While the people in Falastin are being slaughtered, wouldn't it be a better idea to come to their aid instead of being puppets in the hands of the enemies and destroying Muslim countries? 

Edited December 1, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[Eddie Mecca]

7 hours ago, Guest Adam said:

A sincere request for clarification from a Sunni to you Shia: Why do you support Bashar's regime? I truly have great respect for my Shia brothers, but I don't understand why you persist in supporting the regime. It is a secular regime, and sometimes even secularist (deliberately degrading religion and the symbols we share as Muslims), a regime that deifies a modern pharaoh, treating him as if he were a god. In Syria, immediately after the name of Allah, the name of Bashar must follow; you cannot mention only Allah's name alone, as it should be, since God has no equal. I don't understand why you show no mercy for your brothers in Syria, as we showed for you when Saddam's Sunni regime mistreated you. My Sunni country intervened in 2004 against the Sunnis in Iraq because it was right for a Shia-majority country to be ruled by Shia. The same should apply to Syria, in my opinion. Yet the Palestinian issue shows your willingness to support us Sunnis, so why don’t you do the same in Syria?

1.) These are 2009 talking points...you should have evolved beyond this type of dialogue by now

2.) Where is this fathom modern-day Saladin or Suleiman the Magnificent that Shi'i Islamists are going out of their way to neglect or ignore or circumnavigate around? Please point him out to me...nay, no such person or organization exists in actuality...to the left, we have NATO-backed Salafi jihadists seeking to exterminate or enslave religious and ethic minorities...the proponents of 50 flavors of Salafi jihad want to maintain the hemogenic status quo - not only regionally but abroad (e.g. China, Russia etc.) as well...they're guns for hire and they're worse than Blackwater...whenever and wherever NATO needs them...POOF! they magically appear...and to the right, we have an Arab nationalist / secularist whose clan has (historically) maintained an extremely pronounced anti-imperialist policy for decades...now I redirect the question to you...who would you pick?...answer honestly please

3.) You answered your own inquiry regarding the Gazan issue and so-called sectarian alliances...you should know better...Shi'i Islamists in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen etc. are not sectarian...Shi'i creed is an inclusive creed...in contrast, Wahhabism is a devicive dogma founded by a narrow-minded, rigid and intolerant firebrand...the British realized this individual with his accompanied ideology could be a useful tool in helping to bolster their aims and objectives in the region...an Islamic revivalist movement that defines other Muslims as apostates and classifies colonialists as Ahl al-Kitāb??...geez, what a godsent ideology! We now have a spokesperson who speaks on behalf of Mecca and Medina and will help us undermine the Ottoman Sultanate and create an internal strife within the house of Islam that will last for centuries...HOT DAWG!!!

Edited December 1, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[mahmood8726]

Guest Adam, Salam. Thanks for the response.

I agree with you that many in the opposition, especially before the protests got hijacked had some form of valid reasoning behind their beleifs. Bashar for example has harsh prison conditions, which i hate myself, however as time progressed, they started being hijacked and got more and more extreem. Even initially, the "moderate rebels" were litterally mixed with al quaeda as far as 2011 when it started and overtime isis came and made things 10x worse and they mixed or fought these groups. The problem is years before this dirty war, America and Israel planned this. 

Thing is, Bashar was an improvement over his cold hearted father hafez, he was more willing to listen to his opposition.

 

As for Saudi Arabia, mbs is up to no good, this guy needs a spine like king Faisal, if you said this about king Faisal I would have agreed with you, but not mbs. I just hope mbs gets a semblance of common sense and distances himself from America, or else saudi arabia will be milked to death. 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by mahmood8726