Why shias are fighting sunnis in Syria ?

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

Hello 

i'm a syrian sunni muslim (Asha'ari sunni) 

and i'm wondering why shias are fighting in Syria !!

Defending Assad's regime ?

Please note that shias are fighting before the creation of The islamic front (Jabhat Al-nusra)...

is it because the sufyani and Mahdi thing ? 

 

[Chaotic Muslem]

6 minutes ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

Hello 

i'm a syrian sunni muslim (Asha'ari sunni) 

and i'm wondering why shias are fighting in Syria !!

Defending Assad's regime ?

Please note that shias are fighting before the creation of The islamic front (Jabhat Al-nusra)...

is it because the sufyani and Mahdi thing ? 

 

defending our homes in lebanon west and our homes in iraq east

We are not fighting Sunnis. Sunnis who wish to kick out da'esh are welcome as well. 

Imagine if Iraq and Lebanon let to flourish as strong Shia states... this is a nightmare to many corrupted powers.

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

12 minutes ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

defending our homes in lebanon west and our homes in iraq east

We are not fighting Sunnis. Sunnis who wish to kick out da'esh are welcome as well. 

Imagine if Iraq and Lebanon let to flourish as strong Shia states... this is a nightmare to many corrupted powers.

I'm really confused how we syrians were a danger toward shias ..?

[guest050817]

10 minutes ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

I'm really confused how we syrians were a danger toward shias ..?

Salamunalaykum dear brother,

It is not a shia -sunni conflict. We shia's - many of us- believe the syrian people have a right to choose their own leader. However, what has happened in syria is that western and gulf state inteference has sought to install puppet regimes, for their own interest, not the interest of the syrians.

They have helped terrorists flood into Syria, groups like Daesh, Ahrar Asham, Jaysh al Islam, Jabhat Al Nusra, either worked with Alqaeda or were associated or founded by their members, are the most powerful groups.

I condemn crimes against humanity on all sides.

Assad's army has a large contingent of sunni's in it. His wife is a sunni as well. Many members of his cabinet are sunni's. 

I do not associate or support or like Bashar Al Assad, but i can not support alqaeda associated groups either.

 

Please read my thread for information: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235033484-anti-sectarian-syrian-research-project/

[Chaotic Muslem]

10 minutes ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

I'm really confused how we syrians were a danger toward shias ..?

The shadow armies that invaded Syria under the disguise of jihadist groups are danger to Shia. Notice that many chiefs and leaders of these groups are non Syrian. 

I suppose that you are young, you have not been following the crisis from the beginning? 

Shadow armies basically operate like blackwater:

 

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

9 minutes ago, Tawheed313 said:

Salamunalaykum dear brother,

It is not a shia -sunni conflict. We shia's - many of us- believe the syrian people have a right to choose their own leader. However, what has happened in syria is that western and gulf state inteference has sought to install puppet regimes, for their own interest, not the interest of the syrians.

They have helped terrorists flood into Syria, groups like Daesh, Ahrar Asham, Jaysh al Islam, Jabhat Al Nusra, either worked with Alqaeda or were associated or founded by their members, are the most powerful groups.

I condemn crimes against humanity on all sides.

Assad's army has a large contingent of sunni's in it. His wife is a sunni as well. Many members of his cabinet are sunni's. 

I do not associate or support or like Bashar Al Assad, but i can not support alqaeda associated groups either.

 

Please read my thread for information: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235033484-anti-sectarian-syrian-research-project/

Shias have an understanding of the overall issue 

but it's much more deeper in the ground 

As a syrian who left his country few months ago 

i can tell you how sectarian the situation is 

An awful demographic change is happening ...

Assad is kicking he Arab sunnis from their homeland and they are being replaced WITH IRANIANS 

i'm not racist toward iranians but why iranians ? 

don't they have a land ? Iran isn't their land ? 

And about those sunnis fighting with Assad ...lol 

even if you're a sunni officer ...a little alawi soldier can put your head under the ground ..

it's a well-known thing in syria ..

Shias lost an ally ..the syrian people ... you could have easily supported us against Assad so we won't seek help from the extremists ...

because when you're a syrian who lost everything because you said no to Assad 

you wouldn't really care who your ally is ..

 

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

14 minutes ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

The shadow armies that invaded Syria under the disguise of jihadist groups are danger to Shia. Notice that many chiefs and leaders of these groups are non Syrian. 

I suppose that you are young, you have not been following the crisis from the beginning? 

Shadow armies basically operate like blackwater:

 

Shadow armies weren't involved between 2011-2012.

and the shias were already fighting with Assad 

[Chaotic Muslem]

Shadow armies are the ones who orchestrated the whole mess.

I've met a good number of Syrian refugee, among them some Arab Shia as well. And I am not sure if they were in favour of the jihadist as they were from Raqqa anyway.... they wouldn't fled Raqqa if Raqqa was the safe heaven.

Where were you in Syria if I may ask?

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

4 minutes ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

Shadow armies are the ones who orchestrated the whole mess.

I've met a good number of Syrian refugee, among them some Arab Shia as well. And I am not sure if they were in favour of the jihadist as they were from Raqqa anyway.... they wouldn't fled Raqqa if Raqqa was the safe heaven.

Where were you in Syria if I may ask?

I'm from Daraa ..

where the whole mess started

i lived in damascus then till 2016  

The whole Daraa thing since i'm from Daraa 

is because some boys wrote "It's your turn Assad" on walls

the security forces took them to the prison and tortured them 

when their families went to them and asked them to free their sons 

they said "bring your wives and we can make you new ones" 

people were very furious so they started to protest and the security forces opened fire ..that's how the whole thing started ... can't see how shadow armies made the whole mess unless Assad's army is one ..eh ?

[Chaotic Muslem]

25 minutes ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

I'm from Daraa ..

where the whole mess started

i lived in damascus then till 2016  

The whole Daraa thing since i'm from Daraa 

is because some boys wrote "It's your turn Assad" on walls

the security forces took them to the prison and tortured them 

when their families went to them and asked them to free their sons 

they said "bring your wives and we can make you new ones" 

people were very furious so they started to protest and the security forces opened fire ..that's how the whole thing started ... can't see how shadow armies made the whole mess unless Assad's army is one ..eh ?

yeah, the syrian regime is brutal

No, you cannot see because you were inside the mess. Those outside the mess can clearly see that regular citizens cannot afford the arsenal of weapons that was sent towards Syria.  And yes, the dar'ah incident is one of many that happened across syria even before the 2011 but noon catched up the media attention and noon been magnified to a whole civil war. Things usually dose not escalate that big and that quickly without external intervention.

 

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

4 minutes ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

yeah, the syrian regime is brutal

No, you cannot see because you were inside the mess. Those outside the mess can clearly see that regular citizens cannot afford the arsenal of weapons that was sent towards Syria.  And yes, the dar'ah incident is one of many that happened across syria even before the 2011 but noon catched up the media attention and noon been magnified to a whole civil war. Things usually dose not escalate that big and that quickly without external intervention.

 

Well...it's the age of media

you just can't get away killing more than 200 people 

The syrians were already oppressed and the things were already crazy in the middle east 

so i find it very expected that the syrian would actually make a revolution ..

The armed resistance wasn't a thing until 2012 

people were unarmed for more than 8 months
 

THEY WANTED THE WAR 

Assad didn't want to solve the whole situation ...he believed in Al-jefr he and his whole sect believed in it

Iran decoyed you all ..

they threw you all to war because they made you believe it's the time now

it's the mahdi time ...no it's not 

believe me it's not 

Iran played the game very well ... i hope shias will wake up soon

[Chaotic Muslem]

39 minutes ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

Well...it's the age of media

you just can't get away killing more than 200 people 

The syrians were already oppressed and the things were already crazy in the middle east 

so i find it very expected that the syrian would actually make a revolution ..

The armed resistance wasn't a thing until 2012 

people were unarmed for more than 8 months
 

THEY WANTED THE WAR 

Assad didn't want to solve the whole situation ...he believed in Al-jefr he and his whole sect believed in it

Iran decoyed you all ..

they threw you all to war because they made you believe it's the time now

it's the mahdi time ...no it's not 

believe me it's not 

Iran played the game very well ... i hope shias will wake up soon

My co-worker is Syrian, he is christian and his family been killed by sunnis..can you tell me why sunni Syrians are killing Christians? marking their houses and crushing their churches?

It only amazes me how many can be paid and how man can believe the trash of sectarianism. Sunnis militants killed sunnis and shia and christians all alike. They killed arabs and kurds. They allied with every dictator in middle east and every corrupted emperial power in the world. The sold their people for europe as wage salves. They destroyed their country wealth , sold the oil to israel and turkey who are hungry to eat some meters of syrian lands, they sold the syrian heritage...

and some still talking about sectarian stuff...

You and the Sunni Pakistanis are similar. You turned your land to some hell pit with drugs , slavery and weapon market flourishing then you are blaming the shia and of course

Go eat the hashish you are using... much better than trying to sell your delusions around here.

 

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

13 minutes ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

My co-worker is Syrian, he is christian and his family been killed by sunnis..can you tell me why sunni Syrians are killing Christians? marking their houses and crushing their churches?

It only amazes me how many can be paid and how man can believe the trash of sectarianism. Sunnis militants killed sunnis and shia and christians all alike. They killed arabs and kurds. They allied with every dictator in middle east and every corrupted emperial power in the world. The sold their people for europe as wage salves. They destroyed their country wealth , sold the oil to israel and turkey who are hungry to eat some meters of syrian lands, they sold the syrian heritage...

and some still talking about sectarian stuff...

You and the Sunni Pakistanis are similar. You turned your land to some hell pit with drugs , slavery and weapon market flourishing then you are blaming the shia and of course

Go eat the hashish you are using... much better than trying to sell your delusions around here.

 

Here's the shie man unleashes his sectarian behavior 

most of the syrian sunnis aren't salafi...or wahhabi ...most of syrian weren't even that religious ..

you and your plans for shie ruling system destroyed our country

WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH SHIAS

we even took you in in 2006 when lebanese shies came as refugees 

we gave them food and shelter ...

you absouletly know nothing about the situation in syria ..where are you from ? IRAN ? 

what the hell do you know about the whole syrian situation ?

Syrian sunnis didn't know what the hell shiee means ..

they hated you because you were involved in a war that you have nothing to do with...

you are still getting into things you shouldn't be in 

and here you are calling sunnis in the worst words possible

why the hell your beloved Assad freed every extreme sunni jihadi at 2012 ? 

they are making us look bad just like the usa making arabs and muslims look bad

you absouletly know nothing 

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

Can i know why hizbollah slaughtered the children while yelling YA HUSSAIN in my home city ? 

CAN I KNOW WHY ?

can i know why you slaughtered unarmed children ? 

 

[Fahed Alhariri Alrefai]

25 minutes ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

My co-worker is Syrian, he is christian and his family been killed by sunnis..can you tell me why sunni Syrians are killing Christians? marking their houses and crushing their churches?

It only amazes me how many can be paid and how man can believe the trash of sectarianism. Sunnis militants killed sunnis and shia and christians all alike. They killed arabs and kurds. They allied with every dictator in middle east and every corrupted emperial power in the world. The sold their people for europe as wage salves. They destroyed their country wealth , sold the oil to israel and turkey who are hungry to eat some meters of syrian lands, they sold the syrian heritage...

and some still talking about sectarian stuff...

You and the Sunni Pakistanis are similar. You turned your land to some hell pit with drugs , slavery and weapon market flourishing then you are blaming the shia and of course

Go eat the hashish you are using... much better than trying to sell your delusions around here.

 

We are not blaming shias by the way

We are blaming you for standing with the dictator who made our country like this

you are fighting with the devil against your own brothers

if we syrian sunnis know that these jihadis are the right side we wouldn't flee and leave our country

we know that every side is devilish and a blood sucker 

just stand with the Haqq 

[monad]

quite evident that you are a troll and an uneducated fool. Stop blaming shias,, even the educated athiest can visibly notice whose hands are controlling the tiny little puppets. Question you should be asking is, why are there foreign fighters trying to topple an elected leader of a nation and who is arming these idiots who could not even get work in their own countries. ( I am ignoring economic instability and conditions here. ). Assad was not a dictator until, western media started selling us the idea and your country fell into a cesspool. Fact is, do some research, because dumb muslims are quite common and have a good pattern of emotive outbursts.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/5410130v

Also I think general pretourous or whatever his name was, did mention prior to 9/11 which countries were to be destroyed in order. Leb, Jordan, iran are next. Libya,Syria already done. The reason why it is easy to destabilize these nations because the west, figured out long time ago, how sectarian Arabs are, if it is not religion, it is tribe, if not. it is color.

In war "men" have a tendency to blame someone, and whomever tells them who to blame the crowd will eventually blame. As above, they rather blame their own then the real enemy.

Edited May 28, 2016 by monad

[Laayla]

12 minutes ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

Can i know why hizbollah slaughtered the children while yelling YA HUSSAIN in my home city ? 

CAN I KNOW WHY ?

can i know why you slaughtered unarmed children ? 

 

Bismehe Ta3ala,

If you expect us to believe what you said above then you are in la la land.  Everyone knows there is a propaganda media campaign by TV or social media to make Rajal Allah seen as the D3ish version of Shias.  

My life and family's life I entrust to Rajal Allah.  Would you say the same about Jibhat al Nasra and Da3ish?  If your answer is yes, then there is no more room for discussion.  

Either you are liar or you are naive to say that Rajal Allah beheads children and yell the Imam's name  

You have no evidence, just hearsay from whatever "news source" you read or watch.

Stop looking in the lens of the terrorist groups and sincerely and genuinely look for real answers.  

No one believes you when you say Assad is putting Iranians in place of Syrians.  Iranians are only there temporarily to remove the terrorist groups from reaching power  Insh'Allah it will not happen.  

I advise you to remove the animosity you have in regards to Shias and read more about Shias from Shia sources and not what Da3ish and Nusra feeds you.  

I also advise you not to join Da3ish and Nusra because you will not be promised hurris and you will be disappointed that you will not have breakfast with the Prophet.  Stop believing in these lies and wake up before it is too late.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

[sharinganMahdi]

Wsalam , this is what I think you are :

1) A Syrian sunni as you claim , who is not well informed about what is going on in his country and is trying to seek the truth

2) You are a troll , and you're not even a Syrian let alone a sunni , but a Wahhabi disguised as a sunni who lives in probably an Arab country or a western one , and is trying to propagate fitnah and spread nonsense which you required from a Wahhabi sheikh who's beard was extremely long and whose trousers were reaching his knees and who probably wore ray ban glasses with louis Vuitton flip flops selling you ' dreams ' about how shias are kaffirs and are thirsty for sunni blood and that if you behead one shia God will gift you with 72 virgins in paradise , ( damn those virgins really get your Wahhabi heads spinning don't they? )

PS : The only sectarian one on this thread is you , everybody with a little sense can see through your posts

[Qa'im]

Keep this conversation civil. The OP is asking a question, and he is already being called a Wahabi and a troll who shouldn't join ISIS. Let me say that his questions here, whether he is right or wrong in asking them, are very mainstream from the Syrian community. I have done some work with Syrian refugees and migrants at home and abroad, and these are very common questions and concerns that they have. They should be answered maturely.

Let me say that the conflict in Syria is very complicated, and it is primarily a political one. This is not primarily a religious conflict - as you probably know, the Assad regime consists mostly of Alawites, Christians, Druze, and upper-class Syrian Sunnis. None of these groups are considered Twelver Shi`a. The Assad regime however have long been allies of Iran and Hezbollah, and Syria is the crossroad between the two. The Shi`as in the region largely back Assad, because the rebels contain many fringe elements, including extremists who want to kill all Shi`as and Alawites and put the jizya on the Christians (Nusra, ISIS, even elements of Ahrar al-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam and others).

I can say first hand that there are many decent and tolerant Syrian Sunnis who are against Assad and hold no hatred for Shi`as or others. The problem is, these people have no power, and no control over the rebel factions. Over the last 5 years, whenever more moderate/secular groups took control of territory, it was quickly seized by extremists. Similarly, sophisticated weapons that were given to these groups were often sold to extremists. The two biggest rebel factions right now are ISIS and Nusra, neither of which believe in a united Syria - both are trying to establish their own countries on Syrian territory. Other rebel factions, like Ahrar al-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam, don't even use Syrian flags (or the "independence flag"). The truth is that there is no stable united moderate alternative. This not just endangers Syrians, but it endangers Lebanese, Iraqis, and Kurds.

As for Assad, there are many Shi`as that oppose him (Shaykh Nimr and Shaykh Tufayli), and many Shi`as that are assisting refugees. Some zealous people will consider him to be some kind of hero, but I think the silent majority will agree that Assad and his father have made many mistakes and committed many injustices. I know people who have been killed or imprisoned by their regimes. A big chunk of the 300,000 casualties and the millions of refugees were caused by Assad's indiscriminate and brutal actions - from scud missiles, to barrel bombings, to shelling, to mass arrests and even torture. Iran's unconditional support for Assad is partly what allowed ISIS to grow in the early years, because they clearly were not the focus before 2014. This is why Iran has been taking a bigger role in the conflict in the last year - Assad's army is unaccountable, corrupt and ill-equipped. Everyone knows that Hezbollah is far more affective than the Syrian army, and while there are many stories of the Syrian army purposely killing/raping/torturing civilians, I haven't heard much of that from Hezbollah or Iranian soldiers, who are accountable to their commanders and organizations.

The Syrian conflict has unfortunately created a huge wedge between the Syrian people and Shiism. Before 2011, we got along fine. Syrians have a natural disposition to be suspicious of Saudi Arabia and Salafism. Unfortunately, the Saudis back people in Syria who want to make Syria more like Saudi Arabia. The Syrian people are caught in the middle, between a militant secularist dictator and nutjob extremists. The origin of this conflict is Shaytan, who seeks to divide and conquer our people. May Allah hold all sectarians who seek the blood of others to account.

TL;DR, this is what happened to the Syrian uprising - popular democratic protests, then taken over by richer stronger inbred sectarian extremists:

 

[sharinganMahdi]

35 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

Keep this conversation civil. The OP is asking a question, and he is already being called a Wahabi and a troll who shouldn't join ISIS. Let me say that his questions here, whether he is right or wrong in asking them, are very mainstream from the Syrian community. I have done some work with Syrian refugees and migrants at home and abroad, and these are very common questions and concerns that they have. They should be answered maturely.

Let me say that the conflict in Syria is very complicated, and it is primarily a political one. This is not primarily a religious conflict - as you probably know, the Assad regime consists mostly of Alawites, Christians, Druze, and upper-class Syrian Sunnis. None of these groups are considered Twelver Shi`a. The Assad regime however have long been allies of Iran and Hezbollah, and Syria is the crossroad between the two. The Shi`as in the region largely back Assad, because the rebels contain many fringe elements, including extremists who want to kill all Shi`as and Alawites and put the jizya on the Christians (Nusra, ISIS, even elements of Ahrar al-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam and others).

I can say first hand that there are many decent and tolerant Syrian Sunnis who are against Assad and hold no hatred for Shi`as or others. The problem is, these people have no power, and no control over the rebel factions. Over the last 5 years, whenever more moderate/secular groups took control of territory, it was quickly seized by extremists. Similarly, sophisticated weapons that were given to these groups were often sold to extremists. The two biggest rebel factions right now are ISIS and Nusra, neither of which believe in a united Syria - both are trying to establish their own countries on Syrian territory. Other rebel factions, like Ahrar al-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam, don't even use Syrian flags (or the "independence flag"). The truth is that there is no stable united moderate alternative. This not just endangers Syrians, but it endangers Lebanese, Iraqis, and Kurds.

As for Assad, there are many Shi`as that oppose him (Shaykh Nimr and Shaykh Tufayli), and many Shi`as that are assisting refugees. Some zealous people will consider him to be some kind of hero, but I think the silent majority will agree that Assad and his father have made many mistakes and committed many injustices. I know people who have been killed or imprisoned by their regimes. A big chunk of the 300,000 casualties and the millions of refugees were caused by Assad's indiscriminate and brutal actions - from scud missiles, to barrel bombings, to shelling, to mass arrests and even torture. Iran's unconditional support for Assad is partly what allowed ISIS to grow in the early years, because they clearly were not the focus before 2014. This is why Iran has been taking a bigger role in the conflict in the last year - Assad's army is unaccountable, corrupt and ill-equipped. Everyone knows that Hezbollah is far more affective than the Syrian army, and while there are many stories of the Syrian army purposely killing/raping/torturing civilians, I haven't heard much of that from Hezbollah or Iranian soldiers, who are accountable to their commanders and organizations.

The Syrian conflict has unfortunately created a huge wedge between the Syrian people and Shiism. Before 2011, we got along fine. Syrians have a natural disposition to be suspicious of Saudi Arabia and Salafism. Unfortunately, the Saudis back people in Syria who want to make Syria more like Saudi Arabia. The Syrian people are caught in the middle, between a militant secularist dictator and nutjob extremists. The origin of this conflict is Shaytan, who seeks to divide and conquer our people. May Allah hold all sectarians who seek the blood of others to account.

TL;DR, this is what happened to the Syrian uprising - popular democratic protests, then taken over by richer stronger inbred sectarian extremists:

 

jazkhallah you are absolutely right , I responded too harshly , and the only reason I did so was because as you already know from past instances of how many salafi trolls we get on these forums and how many times they raise the same topic over and over again just to start an argument and spread fitnah , and this brother posted this topic twice by the way (maybe the second time was unintentional ) , But now that I have calmed down I can realise that it was wreck less of me for the way I had behaved and responded to the OP's question/issue , jazakhallah for your post it makes a lot of a sense and has a lot of factual evidence ,  

[Mohammadi_follower]

10 hours ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

Hello 

i'm a syrian sunni muslim (Asha'ari sunni) 

and i'm wondering why shias are fighting in Syria !!

Defending Assad's regime ?

Please note that shias are fighting before the creation of The islamic front (Jabhat Al-nusra)...

is it because the sufyani and Mahdi thing ? 

 

They are not fighting "sunnis" but people cobsidered as terrorist by syrian government. And they are not only shia , there are also some palestinians and arab nationalist brigad in majority sunni who are fighting with assad .

Some do that for protect shia shrines which were targeted by some terrorist, some are fighting isis and some of them do that because that help the iranian geopolitical interest in thé middle east .

[Mohammadi_follower]

9 hours ago, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

Shias have an understanding of the overall issue 

but it's much more deeper in the ground 

As a syrian who left his country few months ago 

i can tell you how sectarian the situation is 

An awful demographic change is happening ...

Assad is kicking he Arab sunnis from their homeland and they are being replaced WITH IRANIANS 

i'm not racist toward iranians but why iranians ? 

 

Well are you really serious about that ? You really think that 70 % of syrian population could be change by iranian mercenaries or other shia people ?

Seriously ?

No its just impossible .

[Laayla]

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Brother Qa'im, Assalam Alikum.  I will agree to disagree with your politics.  Everytime you cite Subhi Tufayli and I wonder do you know his history and do you know currently what bloc of politics he currently allies with?

Sheikh Nimr Baqir al Nimr Rahamtul Allah 3lee was a man of principle and spoke truthfully, I do not deem Tufayli the same way.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

[Chaotic Muslem]

The tactic of the nasibi propaganda is this : رمتني بدائها و انسلت

They accuse others of their own crimes. Every single accusation they make like demographical changes are their own crimes.

it was clear since day one that that is their goal. Killing Christians and making whom towns migrate east or west or underground.

Then bring mujahidin from everywhere with their wives and kids and create a new town. One of the thing that Iraqis are working on I to stop the gigantic migration and make sure each return to their homes. Something Syrian did not bother to do.

[Chaotic Muslem]

1 hour ago, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Brother Qa'im, Assalam Alikum.  I will agree to disagree with your politics.  Everytime you cite Subhi Tufayli and I wonder do you know his history and do you know currently what bloc of politics he currently allies with?

Sheikh Nimr Baqir al Nimr Rahamtul Allah 3lee was a man of principle and spoke truthfully, I do not deem Tufayli the same way.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

listen to his hasheesh

ورأى الطفيلي أن "بعض الدول لها مصلحة تتنافى ومصلحة سوريا، باستثناء تركيا، لأن الاضطراب الأمني أو تقسيم البلد يؤذيها، بسبب وجود اختلاط بين الشعبين، وحدود تمتد لأكثر من 900 كيلومترا"، مؤكّدًا أن "من مصلحة تركيا بقاء سوريا موحدة"، ودعاها إلى "اتخاذ موقف قوي"، والولايات المتحدة الاميركية إلى "احترام المصالح التركية".

[Qa'im]

2 hours ago, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Brother Qa'im, Assalam Alikum.  I will agree to disagree with your politics.  Everytime you cite Subhi Tufayli and I wonder do you know his history and do you know currently what bloc of politics he currently allies with?

Sheikh Nimr Baqir al Nimr Rahamtul Allah 3lee was a man of principle and spoke truthfully, I do not deem Tufayli the same way.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

That's fine, agree to disagree.

WS

[Abu Nur]

 

8 hours ago, Qa'im said:

TL;DR, this is what happened to the Syrian uprising - popular democratic protests, then taken over by richer stronger inbred sectarian extremists:

 

That video is so clear of hijacking the democratic protest by these jihadist and it was released this year. This video would be so benefit if it was released in same day.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Dhulfikar

[Abu Nur]

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Shias lost an ally ..the syrian people ... you could have easily supported us against Assad so we won't seek help from the extremists ...

Please let's leave this Shia/Sunni thing out, because it has nothing to do with it in first place. Politics is complicated matter. But I agree with you that Iran who have potential to disagree with Assad and support Syrian people could have done something about it, but it did not, because it support the Assad regime because of its political benefit.

Iraq could not give any benefit to Syrian people, because Iraq is already in deep mess. 

The reality was that the Syrian people were in depress to change the evil and injustice of Assad regime (This was influenced from the Arab Spring), but because they did not have enough power by themselves to change it and no one of their neighbor could help them, the extremist/outsiders saw it as opportunity to "help them". The sad thing is that Syrian people did not expected that the extremist itself were not even interested on Syrian people, rather they were interested to establish their own country. Nor did they expected that the country will be so in mess that many of its people needed to fled from their homeland.

May Allah (swt) help Syrians and give their homeland back from these evil people and take Assad out and give them justice regime so they can flourish and live with the peace.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Dhulfikar

[Laayla]

1 hour ago, Qa'im said:

That's fine, agree to disagree.

WS

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum Brother Qa'im.

Ah, yes and that includes ignoring my questions.  Alhamd'Allah for everything.

Insh'Allah one day you will open up and tell us why you have such discord against Rajal Allah.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

[Chaotic Muslem]

I am curious to know who are sunnis blaming in the case of Libya?

Iraq> blame shia

Syria > blame shia

Lebanon > blame shia

Yemen > blame shia

Pakistan > blame shia

Afghanistan > blame shia

Who they blame for Libya mess? The gulf who invaded it? The French? The muricans? Or themselves or the politics that no one has a hand in it?

who they blame for the division of Sudan? In case of Ukraine? In case of Balkan?

Who they blame for the austirity measures in Spain where people are bailing the Germany banks? Who they blame for the deaths of Syrians on the Turkish shores? The stealing of their children on borders? The destruction of churches and the rich heritage of Easter Christians?

who they blame for the mutilation of Islam , turning it to religions of nutters who know nothing but to yell allahu akbar and behead whoever in front of them?

 

I've heard that when the revolution happened in Iran, the French president said : We will not allow the Persian shia to rule the Sunni Arabs.

Imperialistic mindset. That's what's this about. If imperialists wanted Libya , it is fine, Qadhafi is an oppressor, they can destroy the whom country to ousted one man.

where are the call for mercy she saddam was killing shia in Iraq? Isn't Saddam some shaheed in your eyes or your folk eyes?

Thankfully though, sunnis killing shia isn't frowned upon because that's the mainstream, but shia killing sunnis is strange as it I not a shia thing.

For majority of Syrians here, they seem rather happy they found an excuse to leave Syria. You sold your own country.

[regnis]

As-salamu Alaikum,

I my self am a born-Muslim, turned in to a atheist, then after doing my own research turned back to a Muslim, alhamdullilah.

But what irritates me the most of the Muslims of today even when i am reading these kind of post. Is people saying i am a "Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese" and what have you.

STOP SAYING THIS. Syria DOES NOT EXIST, Iraq DOES NOT EXIST. etc. etc. 

All these countries have been MADE BY western powers to divide the Muslims. In the Middle East if you look at the majority there is ONLY Arab, Turk, Kurd and Persian MUSLIMS. 

STUDY HISTORY and stop saying what THEY(western powers) want you to say. If we look at history all these countries have just brought up out of nowhere, to divide the Muslims. They are LAUGHING at us for us acting like fools and doing what they have make us do and say. Nationalism never existed with the Muslims, until just before the fall of Ottoman empire. It was brought to us by western powers.

Clean all the nationalism out of your heart and KNOW what the enemies of Islam are trying to achieve. I am not saying go and hate westerners, no i am only saying, beware of their strategy and stop mimicking them even in nationalism. There is NOTHING wrong with loving your origin (being a Arab, Kurd, Turk, Persian), but stop loving something that Allah(swt) has NOT given you (country). This is a disease!!!

I am my self a Kurd and when people ask me where are you from, i say i am from kurdistan. STOP don't think i am saying this out of nationalism. The word "kurdistan" means simply "The place where the Kurds are". For example we say for a forest "daristan". So the place where the trees are.

ISIS guys are the biggest enemies of Islam (no matter you being a Sunni, shia, Alevi, sufi), but as a honest Muslim i must admit they have done 2 things right. They have introduced money as LITERALLY golden coins and they go by a territories what THEY say is an "Islamic State". No nationalism whatsoever. These 2 things Islam advocates for it, but how come we do not go by?

If we clean nationalism out of our hearts first, then we can go and look at the similarities of the dividends of the Muslims them self (Sunni, Shia, Alevi, Sufi etc.). After the similarities, THEN let's TALK about our opposite perspectives. 

If a (Sunni-Muslim Imam OR a Shia-Muslim Imam etc.) talks about that nationalism is good or talks about the country, reject that thing that he is saying. Beware of some of the imams who COULD be paid to say certain things. Governments in the middle east are ALL corrupt. So please brothers and sisters, THINK!!..Stop being a sheep!!.

Edited May 31, 2016 by regnis

[Mahdi Mortezapour]

On 5/28/2016 at 5:34 PM, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

Shias have an understanding of the overall issue 

but it's much more deeper in the ground 

As a syrian who left his country few months ago 

i can tell you how sectarian the situation is 

An awful demographic change is happening ...

Assad is kicking he Arab sunnis from their homeland and they are being replaced WITH IRANIANS 

i'm not racist toward iranians but why iranians ? 

don't they have a land ? Iran isn't their land ? 

And about those sunnis fighting with Assad ...lol 

even if you're a sunni officer ...a little alawi soldier can put your head under the ground ..

it's a well-known thing in syria ..

Shias lost an ally ..the syrian people ... you could have easily supported us against Assad so we won't seek help from the extremists ...

because when you're a syrian who lost everything because you said no to Assad 

you wouldn't really care who your ally is ..

 

Dear brother! I AM IRANIAN! We have argument among our people why our youth  are being killed helping Syrian People...

We don't care for that Bashar assad, we don't know who this guy is, Beloved leader or Dictator. This is your business.

we care for security in region. for the poor and oppressed.  If you brother, know a Guy who can handle these [Edited Out] bloodthirsty homicidal vampire rapers better than Bashar Assad Good Then! Run a presidential Election and see who people like more.

but about Iranians leaving their beautiful peaceful resident taking place in Syria and inhabiting in a destroyed country under the bombards of a bunch of maniac wolves in middle of nowhere! This is the Utter Nonsense! 

You know it;s kind of insulting to Iranians taking refugee in middle of war land!

Edited May 31, 2016 by Mahdi Mortezapour

[ShiaMan14]

To be clear, the shias entered Syria first and foremost to defend the shrine of Hz Zainab. From there it culminated into what it is today.

[certainclarity]

On May 28, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Fahed Alhariri Alrefai said:

 

just stand with the Haqq 

Salam,

The word Haqq is history and extinct.

Even if any country over throw their government and choose another one...

It will not solve the issue.

Just replacing one tyrant with another!

As long as people think the holy grail is with any politician is living in a dream world.

Things will get worse all over the world.

Just like dominos 

The Arab Spring or the World spring now adays is nothing but Fall.

The Arab Fall, the World Fall. We all Fall !

Who ever takes sides of any current or future worldly government will regret for doing so.

Edited June 1, 2016 by certainclarity

[Sabrejet]

I know this is an old topic. However, it is still a relevant one.

The ordinary Sunni Pakistanis are trying to spin the Parachinar massacre as revenge for Shias killing Sunnis in Syria. I am not talking about Wahhabis here, but rather "traditional Sunni" Deobandis.

Why would they claim this? Keep in mind that I am not talking about foaming-at-the-mouth terrorists here, but ordinary people.