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Do you think Iranian dramas or movies are halaal?

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2 hours ago, Caliguy said:

Asalamalekum,

Before i used to think that iranian dramas or movies would be under islamic guidelines. But after watching few of them, i notice they are not really following religious guidelines, for example, womans in the dramas and movies apply to much make up which is prohibted by marajas. I know it is entertainment media, and that is a norm. But after all it is being made in a iran and not pakistan. I am actually surprised they don't make dramas and movies with all male cast. If we can have segregation based on gender in majalis, schools, why not in entertainment if they are not going to make something under islamic guidelines?

True that. 

If we examine Iranian serials and other series then it's good to see they (Iranian cast) are in full hijab, opposite gender don't shake hands or other kinda vulgar stuff. But at the same time, as you said, women apply too much makeups, no serial is completed without love story, almost every program has some kind of quarrel/fights among them, Which are not our type of thing. The only thing they shoot under Islamic guidlines under the watch of ulamas are Islamic Movies. 

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I believe some of the females on those films have too much make-up. Other than that they are much better than the films and dramas in the Arab world which have recently been going down the path of Turkish dramas, with little hijab, too much romance, dancing, music etc...

Some of these channels are Saudi Drama channels, which is funny.

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I find some of the mild suggestions (halal coz between "married couple") quite dangerous. They play on the human imagination, and if watched without the caution necessary when watching products of the film industry, they can cause as much damage as films which portray open lewdness and leave nothing to the imagination. 

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1 hour ago, The Batman said:

I believe some of the females on those films have too much make-up. Other than that they are much better than the films and dramas in the Arab world which have recently been going down the path of Turkish dramas, with little hijab, too much romance, dancing, music etc...

Some of these channels are Saudi Drama channels, which is funny.

Actually in this topic we are going to compare Iranian movies with Islamic guidelines  not to other countries Movies

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7 hours ago, Lover of Ahlulbait (ams) said:

True that. 

If we examine Iranian serials and other series then it's good to see they (Iranian cast) are in full hijab, opposite gender don't shake hands or other kinda vulgar stuff. But at the same time, as you said, women apply too much makeups, no serial is completed without love story, almost every program has some kind of quarrel/fights among them, Which are not our type of thing. The only thing they shoot under Islamic guidlines under the watch of ulamas are Islamic Movies. 

i didn't knew they shoot the movie under the watch of the ulemas, the only thing which puts me off is that, i am not trying to view the other gender with lust. But it is hard if they are beautifying themselves.

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7 hours ago, Chaotic Muslem said:

i'd say that women who usually appear on movies are not very keen on hijab in reality, they have to put it on because that's the rule in iran.

other than that, no vulgarity in there movies at all.

you are spot on, but even if some of them do want to follow the religious guidelines. I think there profession won't allow them. Just because it is iran, doesn't mean everybody is god fearing. 

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5 hours ago, The Batman said:

I believe some of the females on those films have too much make-up. Other than that they are much better than the films and dramas in the Arab world which have recently been going down the path of Turkish dramas, with little hijab, too much romance, dancing, music etc...

Some of these channels are Saudi Drama channels, which is funny.

you are right brother, if one compares them to turkish, leabonese media. Iranian dramas and movies are much more modest and islamic than the ones from other muslim countries.

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Iran has something called a vezarate-Irshad that is responsible for giving licenses for movies. They stop some movies, and get their share of push back too. If they feel like an actor/actress is inappropriate for whatever reason, they stop them from appearing on set. But they are not infallible. This goes for the music industry as well. Just because it was made in Iran, does not mean it's automatically halaal. 

That's why you have a Marja to determine what crosses the line or not--regardless of where. If the movie has haraam implications for you, then don't watch it. Simple as that. 

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The problem exist, no doubt about that. We talk about it as Iranian religious people as well. It is even worse in Iranian cinema. The problem is rooted, I think, in the generation of artists raised in the years prior to the Islamic Revolution. Before the revolution, religious people refrained from engaging in artistic activities, which were mostly perverted in some way. 

After the Revolution the previous artists were left in charge, but were given boundaries in which they had to work and create art. They even held their position in Art Schools. So the process of bending toward Islamic values was much slower in the field of media and art. 

Nowadays, however, a new generation of artists is gradually raised which is more committed to these values. Little by little, they are gaining ground and going for big positions in this field. Maybe in not to far a future we'll see great Islamic movies coming out with more and more of Islamic values provided and followed in them. After all, it is as they say, "Revolution is not an incident, it is a progress." (My words!)

P.S. A good example of the new generation are the creators of the movie I introduced a few days back:

http://www.princessofromemovie.com/?lang=en

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16 hours ago, Sumayyeh said:

Iran has something called a vezarate-Irshad that is responsible for giving licenses for movies. They stop some movies, and get their share of push back too. If they feel like an actor/actress is inappropriate for whatever reason, they stop them from appearing on set. But they are not infallible. This goes for the music industry as well. Just because it was made in Iran, does not mean it's automatically halaal. 

That's why you have a Marja to determine what crosses the line or not--regardless of where. If the movie has haraam implications for you, then don't watch it. Simple as that. 

sister, 

is it just the movies that the ministry look after or the dramas also. I used to watch bollywood and pakistani movies and dramas, which are way over the red line.

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16 hours ago, Quiet one said:

Yes they are halal to watch makeup doesn't make it haram to watch just that it is haram to put on but doesn't mean you can't watch a movie 

most practicing man like myself will agree, that the core issue with to much make up is lust. 

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14 hours ago, Salman Haqiqi said:

The problem exist, no doubt about that. We talk about it as Iranian religious people as well. It is even worse in Iranian cinema. The problem is rooted, I think, in the generation of artists raised in the years prior to the Islamic Revolution. Before the revolution, religious people refrained from engaging in artistic activities, which were mostly perverted in some way. 

After the Revolution the previous artists were left in charge, but were given boundaries in which they had to work and create art. They even held their position in Art Schools. So the process of bending toward Islamic values was much slower in the field of media and art. 

Nowadays, however, a new generation of artists is gradually raised which is more committed to these values. Little by little, they are gaining ground and going for big positions in this field. Maybe in not to far a future we'll see great Islamic movies coming out with more and more of Islamic values provided and followed in them. After all, it is as they say, "Revolution is not an incident, it is a progress." (My words!)

P.S. A good example of the new generation are the creators of the movie I introduced a few days back:

http://www.princessofromemovie.com/?lang=en

interesting post brother, i normally watch ifilm channel on the internet. And i noticed that the actress in those dramas and movies wear proper hijab. But one time i came across some drama or movie, where the actress had convertible hijab. 

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11 hours ago, Caliguy said:

sister, 

is it just the movies that the ministry look after or the dramas also. I used to watch bollywood and pakistani movies and dramas, which are way over the red line.

Brother, I believe the ministry does overlook dramas as well, although whatever is broadcast on state television is held to a higher level of scrutiny. That's why you may have noticed that movies are somewhat "looser" than serials/dramas--including in regards to hijaab. 

btw...you don't really need to watch bollywood to know that it crosses the line :) 

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Regarding makeup, i think i should tell you that when you are in front of camera, you should wear makeup to match the lightings that were placed on set. That's of course depends on what director/DP wants to customize pn the set. Without makeup, your characters/actors seems so pale and will feel uneasy to watch.

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Dear OP:

 

On the one hand, due to the censorship which thanks God, exists in Iran, there are certain "red lines" which the makers of movies and dramas cannot cross. However, this does not mean that there is some suffocating environment where nobody can express anything. Unfortunately, because most of the people involved in making these productions are either lacking in their ideals or morals, or they are simply ignorant... the end result is a lot of stuff which can be harmful.

 

For example: I saw a very weird movie recently of a simp who falls in love with a girl but then it turns out the girl is about to get married and then she gets married and he becomes devastated. But eventually his mother makes so much dua for him and they take him to an imamzadeh and he finds God. Then he sees the girl again and it turns out the husband divorced the girl. But he doesn't feel any need for her anymore because of God.

 

Up to now, I could have forgiven the weirdness just for the sake of that important message. The problem is: at the very very end, the movie implies that they do indeed get together. In other words, that Disney ending undermines the entire message of the movie!! If it doesn't matter if he marries her or not, why do they have them get married? This makes this movie essentially become a "wish fulfillment," of which there is plenty in Iranian serials and movies.

 

 

But my number #1 problem with Iranian movies is the cliche of the broken family, or the cliche of "everyone is hiding something and/or is a hypocrite and/or has some kind of ulterior motive." Usually these two go hand-in-hand. It's quite infuriating to watch this in movie after movie after movie.

 

So, in conclusion, Iranian films are halal in the sense that:

- People are not dressed like "ladies of the night" or like brodouches

- There is no physical contact between men and women

- There is no gore or graphic violence

- There is no obscene language

 

Thus, they are halal in form. However, many of them are not halal in content, because the messages of many movies undermine Islamic ideals and ethics. Or if not that, have a negative impact on Islamic society.

 

My favorite Iranian filmmakers are: Majid Majidi and Abbas Kiarostami, may Allah bless them both. Ebrahim Hatamikia, I like his "content" but not so much his "form" which I find confusing and visually unappealing. The rest, it's kind of a c.rapshoot. I'm not saying none of them are talented; I just wish they would put their energies to better use.

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31 minutes ago, hasnain ajani said:

All such things are haram in islam



What such things? Movies? Television? These are inherently haraam?

 

30 minutes ago, hasnain ajani said:

The so called leader of iran even allows playing chess when imam (as) says even looking at chess is haram

 

He is not the only marja who has this ruling.

 

The logic behind the permissibility of chess is as follows:

 

1) The ancient game of shatranj which has evolved into the current game of chess, is in itself just a game. None of the actual actions associated with the game are haraam. (i.e. picking up a little figurine and moving it across the board as part of some grand strategy to beat your opponent).

2) The game was once considered a gambling game, much like the card games of today.

3) The reason for the prohibition of shatranj was because of its associations with gambling.

4) Chess is no longer associated with gambling.

5) Therefore, chess is not haraam.

 

This is the logic of some fuqaha. Others rule it differently. At the end of the day, this is part of ijtihad. To think that they just read those narrations and brushed them aside is rather ignorant. You, by engaging in this ignorance, are possibly slandering someone. So you need to be careful.

 

But here is some food for thought, if you are willing to reflect:

 

- Is it haraam to play "Uno?"

- Is it haraam to play "Allies & Axis" or some other strategy board game?

 

There is probably not a single faqih in the world who would say that those games are haraam. Uno is a card game, just like poker or blackjack, right? But it's not. The latter games are associated with gambling and related evils, whereas the former - in the urf (common perception) is viewed as a family game.

 

If chess is haraam mutlaq, and this prohibition was not at all related to its associations with gambling, then by this logic, Allies & Axis and other strategy board games should be considered haraam.

 

This is the logic behind that ruling. It always made sense to me. God knows best.

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8 hours ago, Murteza said:

Regarding makeup, i think i should tell you that when you are in front of camera, you should wear makeup to match the lightings that were placed on set. That's of course depends on what director/DP wants to customize pn the set. Without makeup, your characters/actors seems so pale and will feel uneasy to watch.

i totally agree with what you have said, its the ulema that have made the make up haram for womans in public!

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Another thing I want to point out is the interaction between fiances (Namzadeh) before Nikah. I don't know what are exactly the limits of having contact with one's fiance before Nikah but I think the kind of contact shown in some series that I have watched exceeds the limits. This is to be mentioned that those movies like Kimiya, Pardeh Nashin are very well on other ideological issues. There can also be cultural issue. May be this thing is accepted in Iranian society but it is not accepted in the society I live in Pakistan. One should also not extrapolate cultural values from one society to other society. At the end I will recommend Iranian serials to someone with a peace of caution.

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On 30/05/2016 at 7:50 AM, baradar_jackson said:

Unfortunately, because most of the people involved in making these productions are either lacking in their ideals or morals, or they are simply ignorant... the end result is a lot of stuff which can be harmful.

Yes.

Ayat. Khamenei's and that of the religious establishment represent only one of many different views held by people in Iran and everyone will be presenting their own little interpretations.

So to look at what happens in Iran as being some kind of gold standard would be wrong.

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On 5/30/2016 at 9:50 AM, baradar_jackson said:

Dear OP:

 

On the one hand, due to the censorship which thanks God, exists in Iran, there are certain "red lines" which the makers of movies and dramas cannot cross. However, this does not mean that there is some suffocating environment where nobody can express anything. Unfortunately, because most of the people involved in making these productions are either lacking in their ideals or morals, or they are simply ignorant... the end result is a lot of stuff which can be harmful.

 

For example: I saw a very weird movie recently of a simp who falls in love with a girl but then it turns out the girl is about to get married and then she gets married and he becomes devastated. But eventually his mother makes so much dua for him and they take him to an imamzadeh and he finds God. Then he sees the girl again and it turns out the husband divorced the girl. But he doesn't feel any need for her anymore because of God.

 

Up to now, I could have forgiven the weirdness just for the sake of that important message. The problem is: at the very very end, the movie implies that they do indeed get together. In other words, that Disney ending undermines the entire message of the movie!! If it doesn't matter if he marries her or not, why do they have them get married? This makes this movie essentially become a "wish fulfillment," of which there is plenty in Iranian serials and movies.

 

 

But my number #1 problem with Iranian movies is the cliche of the broken family, or the cliche of "everyone is hiding something and/or is a hypocrite and/or has some kind of ulterior motive." Usually these two go hand-in-hand. It's quite infuriating to watch this in movie after movie after movie.

 

So, in conclusion, Iranian films are halal in the sense that:

- People are not dressed like "ladies of the night" or like brodouches

- There is no physical contact between men and women

- There is no gore or graphic violence

- There is no obscene language

 

Thus, they are halal in form. However, many of them are not halal in content, because the messages of many movies undermine Islamic ideals and ethics. Or if not that, have a negative impact on Islamic society.

 

My favorite Iranian filmmakers are: Majid Majidi and Abbas Kiarostami, may Allah bless them both. Ebrahim Hatamikia, I like his "content" but not so much his "form" which I find confusing and visually unappealing. The rest, it's kind of a c.rapshoot. I'm not saying none of them are talented; I just wish they would put their energies to better use.

Why did I not see this post earlier? Precisely my thoughts. I have my theories on who is behind the film industry in Iran, but that of course, is a discussion for another day. 

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On 11/23/2016 at 2:31 PM, habib e najjaar said:

I have my theories on who is behind the film industry in Iran, but that of course, is a discussion for another day. 

I wonder how that discussion would go...

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See what khameani says against AHLULBAIT (asws)

Crimes of khamenai

1-He says playing chess is jaez
Proof- https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hd5j22iizik3lx0/AABwyLf5xTL0sDi4aR04mxXha?dl=0

Now see what Imam JAFARE Sadiq (ASWS) says
Imam Sadiq (ASWS) said : Adopting Chess is kufr and playing it is shirk and teaching t is greater sin, doing salaam to the one who plays it is also sin, touching it is like touching the flesh of swine (pig) and looking at it is like looking at the private part of ones own mother
(Ref : Man la Yahzahuruhul Faqih - Shiekh Sadooq, Vol 4, Pg 58)
2-He says qama zani is haram and has banned it in Iran.
There in no such ayat or hadees of masoom (asws) which says it is haram
3-He says we should not curse the enemies of ahlulbait (asws), like the lady of jamal (la)
Proof- http://english.Khamenei.ir/news/3905/Ayatollah-Khamenei-s-fatwa-Insulting-the-Mother-of-the-Faithful
lady of jamal (la) poisioned RASULE KHUDA (SAWS)
Aisha (la) came to fight Imam Ali (ASWS) in jange jamal
Aisha (la) shooted arrows on the coffin of Imam Hasan (ASWS)
MASUMEEN (ASWS) have the curse lady of jamal(la)
4-He says we should not cry loudly for Imam HUSSAIN (ASWS)
Proof- https://youtu.be/wQd92HAU-3E
Where Imam (ASWS) says cry on us like how an old mother cries on the dead body of his young son
He was found hugging and meeting sami-ul-haq who is the father of taliban
Proof- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXF5KJeBDok
AND THERE ARE MANY MORE HEINOUS CRIMES !!!
Such ulamae su are cursed by Imam Hasan ASKARI (ASWS) in Hadees e taqleed
Hadeed e taqleed

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bzu60dEg842SRDZCQlk4Q1UtMXc

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