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Who innovated the drawings of our imams a.s?

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Salamunalaykum,

As many of you have seen, a number of shia's today have images of our imams a.s that look quite iranian , look like they have make up on, with intense eye-shadow and there is no doubt these images could possibly have little resemblance to our actual imams a.s, taking into account the fact some are mixed race, even ignoring the ones that are drawn to the 'race' may not even look like them.

I ask you brothers and sisters, what do we shia's look like when we take drawings of these imams a.s and put them in our mosque's, hanging huge images of paintings of men who really do look like they are wearing thick make up in the same place we pray salah (i've seen this in mosques, and in video's of mosques in bahrain).

This thread is asking - who started the innovation, and on whose imagination are these innovative(not being a good thing) pictures drawn ?

Ayatullah Bashir Najafi (ha):

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We often find pictures and images of the ahlul-bayt (as) as well as of Imam Abbas (as) and they are placing feathers on their turbans. Are these considered to be traditions of the Israelis?

"In the name of Allah: First of all, it should be known that Abbas (as) is the master of every believer—not an Imam. It is wrong to call every buried Sayed such as al-Qasim (as) and others with the term "Imam" and this is quite a common misconception amongst the people and it is a matter that must be paid attention to. Secondly, all images that are hand drawn and then printed out of Abu Al-Fadhil (as)—as well as of other non-infallibles—and of any one of the holy infallibles are not allowed. All these images are not taken by camera; they are a product of the imagination and are therefore unrealistic. According to my rulings, drawing them is considered to be forbidden and attributing them to the holy Imams or to any individual is an act of deception, which is a great sin. I have issued many verdicts regarding this matter. Allah know best."

 

May Allah swt bring an end to this mockery of our imams a.s and of the pious non-infallibles. May he guide those who have unfortunately erred in their pursuit of what is not needed and in their error.

We shia's are already in deep water in terms of our image, a contingent of us taking it upon themelves to mutilate their bodies, and that of their children and soak themselves in blood in public self-harm rituals, and then place unrealistic, unislamic, and deceptive drawings of their imams a.s in the very mosques they pray salah in.

 

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Assalamu alaikum,drawing images or hanging those images on walls in ridiculous. The holy prophet (sawaw) and imams (as) shouldn't be depicted in image form or video form,as some ignorant people might worship those photos,secondly we really don't know how they looked like and we can't let our imaginations run wild.

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Just because one has not seen them does not deem that the images are unreal. You would need to conduct research on all those who claim to have seen them in their dream and verify whether the images depict them close to resemblance.

It is no an innovation, it must have stemmed from a persons dream, who then happened to have good artistic skills. OR are all dreams false. Just opened a whole bag of bad cookies.

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On 5/30/2016 at 1:51 PM, monad said:

Just because one has not seen them does not deem that the images are unreal. You would need to conduct research on all those who claim to have seen them in their dream and verify whether the images depict them close to resemblance.

It is no an innovation, it must have stemmed from a persons dream, who then happened to have good artistic skills. OR are all dreams false. Just opened a whole bag of bad cookies.

There are people who claim to have met Jesus pbuh, among the christians, and their idea of Jesus pbuh is the movie star who played him.

Using peoples dreams to depict how the people bygone looked like is very subjective and erroneous.

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On 5/26/2016 at 5:25 AM, Tawheed313 said:

Salamunalaykum

This thread is asking - who started the innovation, and on whose imagination are these innovative(not being a good thing) pictures drawn ?

 

Wa alaykum as salaam

While I do not share your views or feelings on the subject, and to be honest Im not sure if your question is sincere or if it is rhetorical and simply your way of bringing up your criticism, but the following books may be helpful in your search for the answer. In shaa' Allah khayr

The Art and Material Culture of Iranian Shi'ism: Iconography and Religious Devotion in Shi'i Islam (International Library of Iranian Studies) by Pedram Khosronejad

Visualizing Belief and Piety in Iranian Shiism by Ingvild Flaskerud

 

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Those who innovated the drawings of Imams AS will be judged by Allah SWT for their intention. As to the rest of us, we can consider the words of Ayatullah Khamenei: 

The Picture of an Imam a.

"As to the pictures, said to be those of the infallible Imams (a.s.), there is no proof that they belong to them. Anyhow, insulting these pictures is impermissible."

http://www.leader.ir/en/book/38?sn=20967

 

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It was narrated from 'Aishah that Umm Habibah and Umm Salamah mentioned a church that they had seen in Ethiopia, in which there were images. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
 
"Those people, if there was a righteous man among them, when he died they built a place of worship over his grave and made those images. They will be the most evil of creation before Allah on the Day of Resurrection." http://www.sunnah.com/nasai/8/17
 
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 قال الصادق عليه السلام: كل ما جعل على القبر من غير تراب القبر فهو ثقل على الميت.

as-Sadiq عليه السلام said:  All that is put upon the grave other than the dirt of the grave, then it is a weight upon the deceased.

 

 قال علي عليه السلام: بعثني رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله إلى المدينة فقال: لا تدع صورة إلا محوتها ولا قبرا إلا سويته ولا كلبا إلا قتلته.

Ali عليه السلام said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله sent me to Madina, and he said: Do not leave any image but that you have erased it and no grave but that you have leveled it and no dog but that you have killed it.

وقال عليه السلام: من جدد قبرا أو مثل مثالا فقد خرج من الاسلام.

And he عليه السلام said: Whoever renovates a grave or fashions an image, then he has exited from Islam.

http://www.aqaed.com/faq/3540/

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In the name of God

salam dear brothers and sisters;

As per the answers given by the grand jurists, [2] if having such pictures leads to desecration of the owners of the pictures (i.e. the Infallibles) or Shi'ism, it is not permissible to keep or dedicate them.

To find the jurists' answers for this Q please refer to this link:

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/17645

 

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