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Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

We Muslims should remove sect in Islam. There shall not have sunni nor shia, we are all muslim.

Why the needs to use shia words anyway? if shia means follower, then follower to what? it is better to use Muslim, that means the follower of the religion of Islam by prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Same with sunni, what is sunni? if you means sunnah of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) then use full name, dont just say sunni. people who often use sunni words mostly corrupted by the evil saud and supporting isis.

We should stop arguing about the past and keep fighting for the better future of islam. Things like the betrayal of certain people in the time of sahaba like often been claimed by shia should not be discussed anymore. its the past, all of them has die anyway, let Allah (SWT) judge them. For me i still respect and love all prophet sahaba especially the 4 caliphate of islam.

What we should focus now is to bring down the zionist house of saud. They have corrupted Islam with their bogus jihad. They brainwash young muslim man to fight and kill orthodox christian for decades. there is no doubt that saudi has a good relationship with western christianity (britain, america) who support the zionist (jew, israel)

When i reveal saudi corruption in sunni majority forum, most of them quickly accused me as shia. then they said shia is kuffar. Most sunni doesnt even know what shia means, it is new words to them (even me). so the zionist can easily throwing fitnah and making a false story about shia and label them kuffar.

Like what syria/iran did today, we muslim should have a good relation with orthodox Christianity (Russian) to fight the evil zionist empire (saudi, america, nato, turkey)

And remember we all Muslim. There is no shia, there is no sunni. If people ask, tell them: I am Muslim.

More reading:

Qur’an says call yourselves Muslim

a. If anyone poses a Muslim the question who are you, he should say “I am a MUSLIM, not a Hanafi or a Shafi”. Surah Fussilat chapter 41 verse 33 says “Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, ‘I am of those Who bow in Islam (Muslim)?’ ” [Al-Qur’an 41:33] The Qur’an says “Say I am of those who bow in Islam”. In other words, say, “I am a Muslim”.

b. The Prophet (pbuh) dictated letters to non-Muslim kings and rulers inviting
them to accept Islam. In these letters he mentioned the verse of the Qur’an
from Surah Ali Imran chapter 3 verse 64: Say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).”
[Al-Qur’an 3:64]

Our Prophet was a Muslim

One may ask such Muslims, “Who was our beloved prophet (pbuh)? Was he a
Hanafi or a Shafi, or a Humbali or a Maliki?” No! He was a Muslim, like all the
other prophets and messengers of Allah before him.

It is mentioned in chapter 3 verse 52 of Al-Qur’an that Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim.

But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

Further, in chapter 3 verse 67, Al-Qur’an says that Ibrahim (pbuh) was not a
Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

al quran 41:33

And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."

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I'm sorry but we can't love people who killed the daughter of rasoolallah (sawa) , or the person who called rasoolallah (sawa) delirious when he was on his death bed , and we can never forgive those who waged war against Imam Ali (as) , and also those who poisoned the grandson of rasoolallah (sawa) and those who beheaded his other grandson on the scorching plains of karbala , and we cannot forgive that tyrannical Abbasid regime which on the surface pretended to love rasoolallah (sawa) and his pure progeny , but behind closed doors was keeping rasoolallah 's descendants under house arrest and torturing them brutally and imprisoning some for 7 years inside a ditch which was extremely suffocating and claustrophobic , and poisoning and murdering the rest of them , this is how the so called ' sahaba ' and ummah treated the legacy of rasoolallah (sawa) , they literally spat at it and destroyed it hence why all the muslims are suffering today it is all because of the past muslim ummah ,

Anyway I do agree with your stand point on unity and how the main focus should be on the enemy of today which is the sufyani regime of saudi arabia and it's arab allies , and against the dajjal system of USA , UK , Israel and NATO , For now the axis of good is the combined forces of Iran/lebanon/syria/Iraq and Russia to a certain extent but we can't be too sure on their intentions since it is mainly political where as the shia resistance forces have a personal war against this sufyani system of Isis/al nusra/ and all other so called jihadi groups , and sorry if i was sounding harsh in my comment above it was never my intention to offend anybody but the truth is the truth and the only reasons ' muslims ' keep on failing is because they are running away from the truth , the sunni and wahhabi muslim countries are all in the back pockets of the Dajjal system already so now the only resistance forces people can rely on are the shia militias and Russia , May Allah swt help us in seeking the truth so we can truly be united in the name of muhammad and his pure progeny :ws:

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41 minutes ago, Suriani said:

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

We should stop arguing about the past and keep fighting for the better future of islam. Things like the betrayal of certain people in the time of sahaba like often been claimed by shia should not be discussed anymore. its the past, all of them has die anyway, let Allah (SWT) judge them. For me i still respect and love all prophet sahaba especially the 4 caliphate of islam.

Wa alai kum as salaam,

I respect and understand your thinking. However, can you really say you respect a criminal and his victim the same?

Shia means someone who believes in the succession of Ali bin Abi Talib. So in that way, even the Prophet was a shia.

I will agree with you that to each his own - meaning shia and sunni can both practise their beliefs without killing each other but the problem is the wahabis/salafis keep doing the killing and the shias keep doing the dying. So you can't say we are all the same.

Also, the House of Saud needs to and will inshallah fall one day but it has to start with the Sunnis.

Respect.

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W/s

^Agreed with everyone above. 

Our history is too important for us to just dismiss/ignore for the sake of unity. Overlooking our past is tantamount to overlooking the suffering undergone by the Ahlulbayt (as), caused in the first place by the ones you call 'Rightly-Guided'. 

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30 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Wa alai kum as salaam,

I respect and understand your thinking. However, can you really say you respect a criminal and his victim the same?

Shia means someone who believes in the succession of Ali bin Abi Talib. So in that way, even the Prophet was a shia.

I will agree with you that to each his own - meaning shia and sunni can both practise their beliefs without killing each other but the problem is the wahabis/salafis keep doing the killing and the shias keep doing the dying. So you can't say we are all the same.

Also, the House of Saud needs to and will inshallah fall one day but it has to start with the Sunnis.

Respect.

Maybe because im born in pro sunni country, little i know about the betrayal. If its really happened, i feel sad for it. But, its the past, they all has died. Whats the point on hating something that we cant fix? It just add a burden to the heart. Human makes mistakes, just let Allah (SWT) judge them.

What we should focus now is to fight the evil of our time, before we die. And the evil of our time is the house of saud, america, nato, turkey, israel and zionist

For shia meaning that u mention. Al Quran want us to call ourself Muslim. There is hikmah to it, it will bring unity between muslim. Inshallah.

I agree wahabis/salafi/sunni is the one who launching bogus jihad. that is why we need to get rid of house of saud! those dumb young man who join isis was brainwashed by these saud.

Those wahabis/salafi/sunni wont call themself Muslim since they working with zionist saud. They wont be able to say i am Muslim. They can only say im sunni.

If shia stop calling themself shia and start using 'I am Muslim', that been ordered by Allah (SWT) in Al Quran, i believe, the unity can be accomplished! Inshallah

Problem with 'sunni' muslim, they obses with saud royal family and listen to all saud said because saud hold the key of kaabah. Little they know before prophet Muhammad (pbuh) born, the one who hold kaabah key was idol worshipper....so saud holding kaabah key is actually nothing....plus house of saud actually gaining power because britain help them for exchange of palestine (giving palestine land to israel).

I also hold a respect for syria and iran for their good relation with russian. i believe russian is a jesus's army. they will help the muslim in the malhamah and conquer Constantinople. Later when Jesus (pbuh) return he will make russian a muslim empire himself.

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9 minutes ago, Suriani said:

Maybe because im born in pro sunni country, little i know about the betrayal. If its really happened, i feel sad for it. But, its the past, they all has died. Whats the point on hating something that we cant fix? It just add a burden to the heart. Human makes mistakes Just let Allah (SWT) judge them.

What we should focus now is to fight the evil of our time, before we die. And the evil of our time is the house of saud, america, nato, turkey, israel and zionist

For shia meaning that u mention. Al Quran want us to call ourself Muslim. There is hikmah to it, it will bring unity between muslim. Inshallah.

I agree wahabis/salafi/sunni is the one who launching bogus jihad. that is why we need to get rid of house of saud! those dumb young man who join isis was brainwashed by these saud.

Those wahabis/salafi/sunni wont call themself Muslim since they working with zionist saud. They wont be able to say i am Muslim. They can only say im sunni.

If shia stop calling themself shia and start using 'I am Muslim', that been ordered by Allah (SWT) in Al Quran, i believe, the unity will be very very near.

Problem with 'sunni' muslim, they obses with saud royal family and listen to all saud said because saud hold the key of kaabah. Little they know before Muhammad (pbuh) born, the one who hold kaabah key was idol worshipper....so saud holding kaabah key is actually nothing....plus house of saud actually gaining power because britain help them for exchange of palestine (giving palestine land to israel).

Do you really think 'they' will stop killing us if we call ourselves Muslims and not shias.

I apologize in advance for using a crude and vulgar example, but what you are saying is the same as saying women should dress modesty if they want to avoid getting raped. Its their fault. NO!

There is no compulsion in faith so I can call myseld whatever I want. The killers need to stop killing; you are asking the victims to change to stop getting killed. We mind our own business and do what we want without enforcing it onto others.

Last I checked, wahabis/salafis equally kill Shias and Sunnis - anyone against their beliefs. You want 1.5bn Muslims to change because of a few million wahabis?

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34 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Do you really think 'they' will stop killing us if we call ourselves Muslims and not shias.

I apologize in advance for using a crude and vulgar example, but what you are saying is the same as saying women should dress modesty if they want to avoid getting raped. Its their fault. NO!

There is no compulsion in faith so I can call myseld whatever I want. The killers need to stop killing; you are asking the victims to change to stop getting killed. We mind our own business and do what we want without enforcing it onto others.

Last I checked, wahabis/salafis equally kill Shias and Sunnis - anyone against their beliefs. You want 1.5bn Muslims to change because of a few million wahabis?

I myself not a sunni, i refuse to be a sunni. I am a Muslim. Im actually has lose hope on sunni because their obsession with saud royal family. For sunni, house of saud is perfect, they have no sin, they are the leader of islam. And that is totally wrong, house of saud is zionist puppet.

Then i ran to this shiachat forum to understand shia people. From the start i feel something good about shia, because they are againts evil house of saud (who support isis) and have a good relation with russian (orthodox christianity) who is againts zionist

Islam forbid sect in the 1st place. When you saying, I am shia, that is actually creating sect in Islam. I understand you againts the the criminal of the past (sahaba era), but that doesn't justify the needs to create sect! Any Muslim in a right mind will hate such betrayal! you doesn't need to change from Muslim to Shia just to hate on such things.

The only reference of prophet Muhammad agreed with calling Shia was in a hadith. Do you know how many fabricated hadith these days? Thats why we need to follow Al Quran! and Allah (SWT) order us in the Al Quran to call ourself Muslim.

There is something special when we follow Allah order. When Allah order us to call ourself Muslim in the Al Quran, we follow, and Allah help we be near and islam unity will be accomplished. Inshallah.

p/s: Im actually seing real muslim in a shia (syria/iran), but the things when they calling themself 'shia', instead of Muslim, bothers me a lot...because Allah order us to call ourself Muslim and forbid sect.

The problem now, those isis wahabi zionist saud, keep using Shia as the reason to kill, because their stupid reason is shia=kuffar.  shia is an odd word in sunni world, zionist can easily said shia is kuffar, and those fools just agreed.

Lets think if shia change their name to Muslim, no more sect. on what reason for those isis to kill another muslim? 

Shia is my last hope on muslim unity, since those sunni saudi wont change their attitude till they die. So on judgement day, if Allah ask you shia, what your effort to prevent civil war between Muslim, you can answer that we already destroy sect and call ourself Muslim (as Allah order in Al Quran), its wahabbi sunni saudi who keep on the war and we just protecting ourself.

PEACE ;)

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1 hour ago, Suriani said:

 

We Muslims should remove sect in Islam. There shall not have sunni nor shia, we are all muslim.

There's a difference between following the correct Islam and the incorrect Islam.

1 hour ago, Suriani said:

if shia means follower, then follower to what?

In the current Shia in its full definition stands for Shiatul Mehdi a.k.a. the supporters of the 12th Imam (A.S.) Originally it meant Shiatul Ali as in the supporters of Imam Ali (A.S.) and over time it was then applied to the Imam of the time. i.e. Shiatul Hasan, Shiatul Husain, etc...

 

1 hour ago, Suriani said:

We should stop arguing about the past and keep fighting for the better future of islam. Things like the betrayal of certain people in the time of sahaba like often been claimed by shia should not be discussed anymore.

If you do not remember the past then you are doomed to repeat it. History exists for the sole reason of humanity to look back on its mistakes and to learn from them. To forget the past is to forget Saqifa, Karbala and the countless other injustices that have happened. That's an invalid approach towards the future.

1 hour ago, Suriani said:

What we should focus now is to bring down the zionist house of saud. They have corrupted Islam with their bogus jihad. They brainwash young muslim man to fight and kill orthodox christian for decades. there is no doubt that saudi has a good relationship with western christianity (britain, america) who support the zionist (jew, israel)

I'd say that's happening already. The House of Saud is on borrowed time. A conservative estimate puts their remaining time at best at 10 years.

1 hour ago, Suriani said:

When i reveal saudi corruption in sunni majority forum, most of them quickly accused me as shia. then they said shia is kuffar. Most sunni doesnt even know what shia means, it is new words to them (even me). so the zionist can easily throwing fitnah and making a false story about shia and label them kuffar.

Their own fault for not researching or educating themselves. If they are stupid enough to be treated like lemmings then let them be used as lemmings. They get their knowledge through second hand information passed by word of mouth and never open a book nor have an open mind to other opinions. Their fate is their own.

1 hour ago, Suriani said:

Like what syria/iran did today, we muslim should have a good relation with orthodox Christianity (Russian) to fight the evil zionist empire (saudi, america, nato, turkey)

You trust Russia? I wouldn't trust those guys for anything. They have their own economic gains in mind and have no concern for anything else. To say nothing of how brutal their military acts. 

1 hour ago, Suriani said:

And remember we all Muslim. There is no shia, there is no sunni. If people ask, tell them: I am Muslim.

How do you pray? Shia style or Sunni style?

What time do you open your fast? Sunset or Maghrib?

Do you commerate Ashura?

If you answer those questions you will realize that you are already a Sect.

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6 minutes ago, Suriani said:

I myself not a sunni, i refuse to be a sunni. I am a Muslim. Im actually has lose hope on sunni because their obsession with saud royal family. For sunni, house of saud is perfect, they have no sin, they are the leader of islam. And that is totally wrong, house of saud is zionist puppet.

Then i ran to this shiachat forum to understand shia people. From the start i feel something good about shia, because they are againts evil house of saud (who support isis) and have a good relation with russian (orthodox christianity) who is againts zionist

Islam forbid sect in the 1st place. When you saying, I am shia, that is actually creating sect in Islam. I understand you againts the the criminal of the past (sahaba era), but that doesn't justify the needs to create sect! Any Muslim in a right mind will hate such betrayal! you doesn't need to change from Muslim to Shia just to hate on such things.

The only reference of prophet Muhammad agreed with calling Muslim, Shia was in a hadith. Do you know how many fabricated hadith these days? Thats why we need to follow Al Quran! and Allah (SWT) order us in the Al Quran to call ourself Muslim.

There is something special when we follow Allah order. When Allah order us to call ourself Muslim in the Al Quran, we follow, and Allah help we be near and islam unity will be accomplished. Inshallah.

p/s: Im actually seing real muslim in a shia (syria/iran), but the things when they calling themself 'shia', instead of Muslim, bothers me a lot...because Allah order us to call ourself Muslim and forbid sect.

The problem now, those isis wahabi zionist saud, keep using Shia as the reason to kill, because their stupid reason is shia=kuffar.  shia is an odd word in sunni world, zionist can easily said shia is kuffar, and those fools just agreed.

Lets think if shia change their name to Muslim, no more sect. on what reason for those isis to kill another muslim? 

Shia is my last hope on muslim unity, since those sunni saudi wont change their attitude till they die. So on judgement day, if Allah ask you shia, what your effort to prevent civil war between Muslim, you can answer that we already destroy sect and call ourself Muslim (as Allah order in Al Quran), its wahabbi sunni saudi who keep on the war and we just protecting ourself.

PEACE ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with most of what you have said and understand it as well , but the term shia is mentioned in the Quran and it is a divine term it was mentioned in the Quran when Allah swt was talking about the ' shia of ibraheem ' we are mainly called shias because rasoolallah (sawa) coined that term and also because we follow rasoolallah (sawa) and his ahlulbayt (as) hence we are known as their ' shia ' , but anyway jazakhallah for your positive message of unity and your deep understanding of the corrupt political system of the world we live in , May Allah swt continue blessing you in spreading the true enlightening message of islam :):ws:

 

 

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OP I see you do not know islamic history. 

the original islam was that of the Shia - as announced in ghadeer, as sanctioned by the holy prophet (pbuh) himself then, and at numerous times previous to ghadeer, in fact Imam Ali (as) was announced as the successor and wazeer of the holy prophet right at the start of his islamic mission - at the feast of the quraysh when the prophetic mission was announced in public. 

it is an uncomfortable (for non shia, anyway) fact that all sects are deviations away from shiaism. after the prophet the liars at saqeefa created their own sect via an election (lol), to steal the rights away from Imam Ali (as) (who was burying the holy prophet at the time), after passing the caliphate around amongst themselves like pirates sharing a bottle of stolen rum between themselves, the "caliphate" was handed to imam ali, where immediately rebellion was created by the filth Ammi Jaan Aisha and the filthiest of all filth, muawiyyah (LA)

the 4 schools of the sunni didnt even appear till approx 300 years after the prophet died - as an equivalent imagine if the prophet died in the year 1716 - sunnism would only be appearing around now. is this a sensible sect to follow? who were the original muslims between 1716 and today, other than the shia?

sufis? came even later. other offshoots of shiaism? even later than that. 

salafi? they didnt crawl up out of hell till the last 200 years! 

so in conclusion - the only "original" version of islam is shiaism. this is something no non shia will ever be halali enough to accept, so they whine and moan about "lets only call ourselves muslims" in order to hide the truth

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3 hours ago, Suriani said:

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

We Muslims should remove sect in Islam. There shall not have sunni nor shia, we are all muslim.

Why the needs to use shia words anyway? if shia means follower, then follower to what? it is better to use Muslim, that means the follower of the religion of Islam by prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Same with sunni, what is sunni? if you means sunnah of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) then use full name, dont just say sunni. people who often use sunni words mostly corrupted by the evil saud and supporting isis.

We should stop arguing about the past and keep fighting for the better future of islam. Things like the betrayal of certain people in the time of sahaba like often been claimed by shia should not be discussed anymore. its the past, all of them has die anyway, let Allah (SWT) judge them. For me i still respect and love all prophet sahaba especially the 4 caliphate of islam.

What we should focus now is to bring down the zionist house of saud. They have corrupted Islam with their bogus jihad. They brainwash young muslim man to fight and kill orthodox christian for decades. there is no doubt that saudi has a good relationship with western christianity (britain, america) who support the zionist (jew, israel)

When i reveal saudi corruption in sunni majority forum, most of them quickly accused me as shia. then they said shia is kuffar. Most sunni doesnt even know what shia means, it is new words to them (even me). so the zionist can easily throwing fitnah and making a false story about shia and label them kuffar.

Like what syria/iran did today, we muslim should have a good relation with orthodox Christianity (Russian) to fight the evil zionist empire (saudi, america, nato, turkey)

And remember we all Muslim. There is no shia, there is no sunni. If people ask, tell them: I am Muslim.

More reading:

Qur’an says call yourselves Muslim

a. If anyone poses a Muslim the question who are you, he should say “I am a MUSLIM, not a Hanafi or a Shafi”. Surah Fussilat chapter 41 verse 33 says “Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, ‘I am of those Who bow in Islam (Muslim)?’ ” [Al-Qur’an 41:33] The Qur’an says “Say I am of those who bow in Islam”. In other words, say, “I am a Muslim”.

b. The Prophet (pbuh) dictated letters to non-Muslim kings and rulers inviting
them to accept Islam. In these letters he mentioned the verse of the Qur’an
from Surah Ali Imran chapter 3 verse 64: Say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).”
[Al-Qur’an 3:64]

Our Prophet was a Muslim

One may ask such Muslims, “Who was our beloved prophet (pbuh)? Was he a
Hanafi or a Shafi, or a Humbali or a Maliki?” No! He was a Muslim, like all the
other prophets and messengers of Allah before him.

It is mentioned in chapter 3 verse 52 of Al-Qur’an that Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim.

But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

Further, in chapter 3 verse 67, Al-Qur’an says that Ibrahim (pbuh) was not a
Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

al quran 41:33

And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."

Bismillah.

Salaam sister.

I really admire your approach of unity amongst Muslim ... this unity is achievable and a must in the field of relations and communications with Sunni brothers and sisters; we, Muslims, have to try our best to be united regardless of our denominational tendencies but in the scope of creed and jurisprudential issues there is no possibility to get united because there are many inconsistent beliefs among all sects. So the best way is to respect our beliefs and make a coexistence through the brotherhood system among ourselves.

With Duas.

Narsis.

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5 hours ago, Suriani said:

Maybe because im born in pro sunni country, little i know about the betrayal. If its really happened, i feel sad for it. But, its the past, they all has died. Whats the point on hating something that we cant fix? It just add a burden to the heart. Human makes mistakes, just let Allah (SWT) judge them.

This is a classical sunni viewpoint.

You are basically telling us to leave our cause (which is original Islam).

Just because some people hijacked the name of Islam and created their own religion (which is Sunnism) why should we stop calling ourselves Shia? We need to differ ourselves from others.

What happened to Prophet and his household is not an ordinary thing, you can't tell people to just forget it. Betrayal of people around him and what he and his family has suffered is something huge, because he is the Prophet of God.

Then why did he and his family, and sincere companions endure all those hardships for Islam if we are not going to distinguish right from the wrong? The sincere from the hypocrite? The black from the white?

You need to befriend who is a friend of the Prophet, and be an enemy to whom is an enemy of him. That's true iman.

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5 hours ago, sharinganMahdi said:

I agree with most of what you have said and understand it as well , but the term shia is mentioned in the Quran and it is a divine term it was mentioned in the Quran when Allah swt was talking about the ' shia of ibraheem ' we are mainly called shias because rasoolallah (sawa) coined that term and also because we follow rasoolallah (sawa) and his ahlulbayt (as) hence we are known as their ' shia ' , but anyway jazakhallah for your positive message of unity and your deep understanding of the corrupt political system of the world we live in , May Allah swt continue blessing you in spreading the true enlightening message of islam :):ws:

 

 

:salam:

At the same time, Allah tells us clearly that Abraham was not Jewish nor Christian, he was a MUSLIM. 

We can hide ourselves behind the quranic word "shia" in opposition to "sunni" which indeed is not in the Quran, but the brother is right : Muslim is what we must call ourselves.

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15 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

There's a difference between following the correct Islam and the incorrect Islam.

In the current Shia in its full definition stands for Shiatul Mehdi a.k.a. the supporters of the 12th Imam (A.S.) Originally it meant Shiatul Ali as in the supporters of Imam Ali (A.S.) and over time it was then applied to the Imam of the time. i.e. Shiatul Hasan, Shiatul Husain, etc...

 

If you do not remember the past then you are doomed to repeat it. History exists for the sole reason of humanity to look back on its mistakes and to learn from them. To forget the past is to forget Saqifa, Karbala and the countless other injustices that have happened. That's an invalid approach towards the future.

I'd say that's happening already. The House of Saud is on borrowed time. A conservative estimate puts their remaining time at best at 10 years.

Their own fault for not researching or educating themselves. If they are stupid enough to be treated like lemmings then let them be used as lemmings. They get their knowledge through second hand information passed by word of mouth and never open a book nor have an open mind to other opinions. Their fate is their own.

You trust Russia? I wouldn't trust those guys for anything. They have their own economic gains in mind and have no concern for anything else. To say nothing of how brutal their military acts. 

How do you pray? Shia style or Sunni style?

What time do you open your fast? Sunset or Maghrib?

Do you commerate Ashura?

If you answer those questions you will realize that you are already a Sect.

To involved in a sect is a choice. I refuse to be in any of those. I call myself a Muslim. Not sunni nor shia.

Sunni would accuse me as shia because im against house of saud. while shia, you all know im not. Im born in sunni country, so i have little knowledge about shia.

What i know when i was young (and most sunni child know) was shia is misguided. so to learn something that been claimed by sunni scholar as 'misguided' is waste of time for us.

Sunni is not real islam. they obses with house of saud. The saud family launch injustice war towards the orthodox christian (eastern christianity).

The bogus crusade lasted for hundred of years and still going on till now. It start with evil ottoman empire who alliance with britain and france in Crimean war 1853 againts the Russian (rum) (even before that, ottoman has fight the rum empire) .

Then continue in Soviet-Afghan war, Chechen war. All this bogus jihad war supported by house of saud and america.

This is why i trust the Russian. They are the orthodox Christian (eastern Christianity). Eastern Christianity and western Christianity (britain, america who support israel, zionism and lesbian gay married) are totally different. They are rival to each other. They may look similar, but they like palestine-israel who look similar but in war with each other. America-britain for hundred years has launch proxy war (using ottoman and saudi) againts the russian.

Shia and Russian (orthodox christiany) has suffering from the cruelty of house of saud for hundred of years! 

Even though im not attracted to shia belief, but i think shia (syria, iran) has a good leader and political genius. They choose to againts house of saud and zonism. Same goes to Russian (Mr. Putin).

Yes house of saud is in borrowed time. But remember they have america, britain, israel, turkey, nato at their back. And most of them has nuke power. To bring down house of saud only will trigger WW3. Thats why we need unity between sunni-shia to becoming a strong Muslim empire.

For reference of all this, im listening to Sheikh Imran Hosein. 

My question for Shia brother and sister:

1. Why the shia follow their imam? why not continue following our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) until the end of time?

2. Is Shia means follower in a direct arabic translation? (sorry im dont know arabic)

3. What prophet Muhammad (pbuh) call the army of islam back in his day? Is he calling them Muslimin or Shia?

4. While the sunni obsessed with house of saud, i see the shia too obses with their imam. Shia too obses with Ali (ra) and Hasan/Husin (ra). I think shia should put prophet Muhammad (pbuh) at the top after Allah (SWT)

PEACE ;)

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11 hours ago, realizm said:

:salam:

At the same time, Allah tells us clearly that Abraham was not Jewish nor Christian, he was a MUSLIM. 

We can hide ourselves behind the quranic word "shia" in opposition to "sunni" which indeed is not in the Quran, but the brother is right : Muslim is what we must call ourselves.

I'm sorry but we will continue to call ourselves shia because the word muslim has now become a label for terrorism and Wahhabism and calling ourselves shia muslims makes a distinction between main stream islam , and to be honest in other religions the trouble makers are usually splinter groups in that religion where as in Islam the mainstream seem to be the trouble makers who keep on shedding blood of innocent people , These muslims have the Quran in one hand and an Ak47 in the other , and are some of the vilest creatures ever to live on the face of the earth

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42 minutes ago, Suriani said:

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1. Why the shia follow their imam? why not continue following our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) until the end of time?

2. Is Shia means follower in a direct arabic translation? (sorry im dont know arabic)

3. What prophet Muhammad (pbuh) call the army of islam back in his day? Is he calling them Muslimin or Shia?

4. While the sunni obsessed with house of saud, i see the shia too obses with their imam. Shia too obses with Ali (ra) and Hasan/Husin (ra). I think shia should put prophet Muhammad (pbuh) at the top after Allah (SWT)

PEACE ;)

1) The imams (as) were the divine successors of prophet Muhammad (sawa) and what he knows they also know since they have inherited it from him read hadith thaqalayn to know what happened on the day of ghadeer when prophet Muhammad (sawa) chose imam Ali (as) as his successor , and we shias are the only ones who love rasoolallah (sawa) and our main prayer is sending salutations upon him , " Allahuma saliallah Muhammad wa ahle Muhammad "

2) yes it does

3) He called them muslims

4) The house of saud is a family of illegitimate Zionists who wage war and spill blood of innocent people , The ahlulbayt (as) are the pure family of rasoolallah (sawa) and of course we believe prophet Muhammad (sawa) is the best and nobody can deny that the shias think otherwise , after prophet Muhammad (sawa) we believe in Imam Ali (as) as the successor , then imam hassan (as) and then imam Hussein (as) , and then the 9 remaining descendants of imam Hussein (as) as the successors until we reach the final one which is Imam Mahdi (ajf) , :ws: 

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5 hours ago, sharinganMahdi said:

I'm sorry but we will continue to call ourselves shia because the word muslim has now become a label for terrorism and Wahhabism and calling ourselves shia muslims makes a distinction between main stream islam , and to be honest in other religions the trouble makers are usually splinter groups in that religion where as in Islam the mainstream seem to be the trouble makers who keep on shedding blood of innocent people , These muslims have the Quran in one hand and an Ak47 in the other , and are some of the vilest creatures ever to live on the face of the earth

:salam:

Dear brother, when you will be asked after you die, what is your religion, will you answer 

a/"Tasha`yu"

or

b/ "Islam" (as we are taught ?)

If your answer is b, why wait for your death to accept being a Muslim.

 

At least call yourself Shia Muslim, but please don't take the name out just in opposition.

 

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10 minutes ago, realizm said:

:salam:

Dear brother, when you will be asked after you die, what is your religion, will you answer 

a/"Tasha`yu"

or

b/ "Islam" (as we are taught ?)

If your answer is b, why wait for your death to accept being a Muslim.

 

At least call yourself Shia Muslim, but please don't take the name out just in opposition.

 

in the grave, when you are asked "who is your imam" what will you answer? abu bakr al baghdadi (Allah damn him)? osama bin laden (Allah damn him)?

who is the imam of your time?

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39 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

in the grave, when you are asked "who is your imam" what will you answer? abu bakr al baghdadi (Allah damn him)? osama bin laden (Allah damn him)?

who is the imam of your time

Brother that's a sad answer, and obviously you seem to ignore who your interlocutor is.

I am not denying the right of Muhammad (sawas) and his Ahl el beit (as).

I was just stressing the fact Islam is our Religion and Muslim is our label as per Quranic injonction but you brothers seem to reject Allah's word for what you consider pride and love for Imam Ali (as).

I personally have a deep conviction that this is just wrong and that our Aimmah would never encourage us to love them to an extent that would mean going against Allah's word.

 

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13 minutes ago, realizm said:

I was just stressing the fact Islam is our Religion and Muslim is our label as per Quranic injonction but you brothers seem to reject Allah's word for what you consider as pride and love for Imam Ali (as).

you realise that after being asked what your faith is, what your book is, who your prophet is, you will be asked in the grave who your imam is?

the shia alhamdulillah know the answer. 

what will the non shia answer? the quran says "each people will be raised with their imam". which imam are you going to be raised with, sunni?

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26 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

you realise that after being asked what your faith is, what your book is, who your prophet is, you will be asked in the grave who your imam is?

the shia alhamdulillah know the answer. 

what will the non shia answer? the quran says "each people will be raised with their imam". which imam are you going to be raised with, sunni?

Seriously, what is wrong with you that when a fellow muslim tells you about Allah's word you start despising him ? 

This is not even the attitude of a "Shia", how are you even claiming to be one ?

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14 minutes ago, realizm said:

Seriously, what is wrong with you that when a fellow muslim tells you about Allah's word you start despising him ? 

This is not even the attitude of a "Shia", how are you even claiming to be one ?

do me a favour and answer the question i just asked you twice

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6 hours ago, sharinganMahdi said:

1) The imams (as) were the divine successors of prophet Muhammad (sawa)

It's easy to forget, but I just wanted to point out that it's divinely appointed, bro. We don't want to perpetuate common misconceptions like this ;)

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