Bahai prophecies ?

[megaman]

11 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

It's not about finding a better translation, it's about them all being inadequate. If you're going to really understand what the Qur'ān is saying, it has to be on its own terms in Arabic.

Hi Rashid, absolutely. Arabic Words sometimes have multiple meanings and it's hard to get perfect translation. I get what you mean.

15 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

for the Sun to rise from the west

To me, the Sun represents a new revelation. If we read Bihar volume 52 and 53, we can see that Imam Sadiq says the Sun always rises in the same direction. I think we should be careful of our own narrations and see what is recorded in the Quran, said by Prophet and Imams to get a better understanding.

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

6 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi Rashid, absolutely. Arabic Words sometimes have multiple meanings and it's hard to get perfect translation. I get what you mean.

To me, the Sun represents a new revelation. If we read Bihar volume 52 and 53, we can see that Imam Sadiq says the Sun always rises in the same direction. I think we should be careful of our own narrations and see what is recorded in the Quran, said by Prophet and Imams to get a better understanding.

What a digression this has been from the fact of the Qur'ān's explicit, unequivocal reference to Muhammad b. `Abdullāh ﷺ as the very last prophet, and a failure to engage any of my points. I'm disappointed.

[Badi19]

12 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, I believe in the Sufyani as well. I believe it was Imam Baqir who says that the Sufyani and Mahdi will rise in the same year.

In the Sheikhi movement, the leader, Siyyid Kazim Rashti, before his passing had told his students that he has no successor and that they should instead go search for the Mahdi.

But Karim Khan Kermani assumed leadership and ignored the call. He is considered the Sufyani.

There is another tradition that Mahdi will go to Mecca for Hajj and no one will see him. http://lib.eshia.ir/71660/2/413/"يشهد_في_إحداهما_الموسم_يرى_الناس_و_لا_يرونه" 

The Bab made Hajj after His declaration in 1844 and in Macca He proclaimed that He is the Mahdi but no one followed.

Where did Sayyid Kazim said that? Show us the proofs from his own book, original source in Arabic / Persian please. Don't share Babi / Baha'i references.

On September 10, 1844, the Báb departed Shiraz for the Hajj pilgrimage, accompanied by a black slave and Quddús (Mullá Muḥammad ‘Alí-i-Bárfurúshí), who was the eighteenth believer in the Báb. In Mecca the Báb declared his claim to the Sharif of Mecca.

[megaman]

3 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Where did Sayyid Kazim said that? Show us the proofs from his own book, original source in Arabic / Persian please. Don't share Babi / Baha'i references.

" It is reported that before dying, instead of appointing a successor, he sent his disciples out to find the Promised One." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazim_Rashti

4 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

In Mecca the Báb declared his claim to the Sharif of Mecca.

That's true, He did that as well.

[Badi19]

2 minutes ago, megaman said:

" It is reported that before dying, instead of appointing a successor, he sent his disciples out to find the Promised One." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazim_Rashti

That's true, He did that as well.

Ok, So did Sayyed Kazim himself wrote that on Wikipedia!?

Nope, he only sent a letter to Sharif. Show me references to support your claim. Authoritative.

[megaman]

32 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Ok, So did Sayyed Kazim himself wrote that on Wikipedia!?

 

That's all I have.

32 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

 Nope, he only sent a letter to Sharif. Show me references to support your claim. Authoritative.

This is from the Dawn Breakers, chapter 7. P134,135

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 On the last day of His pilgrimage to Mecca, the Bab met Mirza Muhit-i-Kirmani. He stood facing the Black Stone, when the Bab approached him and, taking his hand in His, addressed him in these words: "O Muhit! You regard yourself as one of the most outstanding figures of the shaykhi community and a distinguished exponent of its teachings. In your heart you even claim to be one of the direct successors and rightful inheritors of those twin great Lights, those Stars that have heralded the morn of Divine guidance. Behold, we are both now standing within this most sacred shrine. Within its hallowed precincts, He whose Spirit dwells in this place can cause Truth immediately to be known and distinguished from falsehood, and righteousness from error. Verily I declare, none besides Me in this day, whether in the East or in the West, can claim to be the Gate that leads men to the knowledge of God. My proof is none other than that proof whereby the truth of the Prophet Muhammad was established. Ask Me whatsoever you please; now, at this very moment, I pledge Myself to reveal such verses as can demonstrate the truth of My mission. You must choose either to submit yourself unreservedly to My Cause or to repudiate it entirely. You have no other alternative. If you choose to reject My message, I will not let go your hand until you pledge your word to declare publicly your repudiation of the Truth which I have proclaimed. Thus shall He who speaks the Truth be made known, and he that speaks falsely shall be condemned to eternal misery and shame. Then shall the way of Truth be revealed and made manifest to all men."

 

[Badi19]

2 minutes ago, megaman said:

That's all I have.

This is from the Dawn Breakers, chapter 7. P134,135

 

That is not sufficient.

And the quote from DB says that Bab declared to Muhit that he is the Gate and insisted him to accept him!

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 hours ago, megaman said:

The Bab made Hajj after His declaration in 1844 and in Macca He proclaimed that He is the Mahdi but no one followed.

Many people  claim such things & labling is easier than this,   the main sign of Sufyani (la) is that he will conquer five cities & holds them about 9 month ,ISIS tried to do this work but failed ,but Bab is & Bahais interrupted signs incorrectly in their favor & GB used the opportunity &supported them as Israel do it know with accomponiying of Bahais ,modern shia scholars belive that Bani Kalb that mentioned as his main supporters  are Druz from Israel &cults like Bahais  are their 5 column as they support by Israel & KSA against Iran. 

[megaman]

9 hours ago, Badi19 said:

That is not sufficient.

And the quote from DB says that Bab declared to Muhit that he is the Gate and insisted him to accept him!

Hi @Badi19, I found this as well. I hope it helps.

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At the Kaaba in Mecca, the Báb publicly claimed the Qa'im.,^[28] and wrote to the Sharif of Mecca, the Custodian of the Kaaba, proclaiming his mission. After their pilgrimage, the Báb and Quddús returned to Bushehr, Iran. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Báb#Travels_and_imprisonment

 

[megaman]

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Many people  claim such things & labling is easier than this,

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, you are right, this by itself isn't such a big deal as many people do it but in this context it is. Mainly because of the revolutionary character of the Bab and also His other proofs such as being born on 1st of Muharram and being a Siyyid. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

4 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, you are right, this by itself isn't such a big deal as many people do it but in this context it is. Mainly because of the revolutionary character of the Bab and also His other proofs such as being born on 1st of Muharram and being a Siyyid. 

All of them can be refuted easily & doesn’t have a reliable source many Siyyid can be in this category & borning  in 1 st of Mharram & being siyyid doesn’t have any value if that person in wrong pass.

Edited June 22, 2018 by Ashvazdanghe

[megaman]

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

All of them can be refuted easily & doesn’t have a reliable source many Siyyid can be in this category & borning  in 1 st of Mharram & being siyyid doesn’t have any value if that person in wrong pass.

I agree. Not every Siyyid born on 1st of Muharram is Qa'im. The Bab's character, His number of followers and speed of His revelation are why I believe He is the Mahdi. Those other things are just extra.

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, megaman said:

I agree. Not every Siyyid born on 1st of Muharram is Qa'im. The Bab's character, His number of followers and speed of His revelation are why I believe He is the Mahdi. Those other things are just extra.

It's same as before  post many people inspired by Hadiths & think that they are his supporter or Mahdi , the number is not important  too much but 313 persons must have some characteristics that non of his followers didn't have these characteristics & speed in relation  can be because of his geniousity asa ny writer such as Dostoyevsky that he was dictating his storys very fast because he could think faster than normal people or having contact by Evil  The following  videos talks about it

The 313 -Dr Sayed Ammar Nakhshawani 

 

 

Imam Mahdi | why only 313 companions?

The Mahdi

‏‪Sayed Ammar Nakshawani - The Mahdi - Ramadan 2015 Kampala‬‏:‏

 

The Mahdi:position of women

https://youtu.be/Jp_X-X5NS3s

[Badi19]

13 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, I found this as well. I hope it helps.

 

Nope, that doesn't helps. That is not authoritative! Which book of Balyuzi?

[megaman]

2 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Nope, that doesn't helps. That is not authoritative! Which book of Balyuzi?

Báb, The: The Herald of the Day of Days

[Badi19]

13 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, you are right, this by itself isn't such a big deal as many people do it but in this context it is. Mainly because of the revolutionary character of the Bab and also His other proofs such as being born on 1st of Muharram and being a Siyyid. 

What is being born on 1st Muharram to do with Imam Mahdi? Bab being a Sayyid is disputed.

Edited June 23, 2018 by Badi19
Typo

[Badi19]

6 minutes ago, megaman said:

Báb, The: The Herald of the Day of Days

Ok. I just saw that book, Balyuzi quotes it from "Kitab-i-Hearsay", hope you know what that stands for!

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Ḥájí Mírzá Ḥabíbu'lláh-i-Afnán, quoting Ḥájí Abu'l-Ḥasan, relates in his chronicle....

Do you want me to quote some nasty things from Memoirs, Chronicles, Diaries and Pilgrim notes?

[Badi19]

11 hours ago, megaman said:

I agree. Not every Siyyid born on 1st of Muharram is Qa'im. The Bab's character, His number of followers and speed of His revelation are why I believe He is the Mahdi. Those other things are just extra.

What special character? What kind of followers, Opium smokers, rioters and killers!? What was the quality of that revelation? Burning non-Babi books and destroying all non-Babis? Even today Baha'is struggle to retain followers. People are getting out of Baha'ism more than joining it. Baha'is claim that their largest community in India is comprised of over 1.8 million people while the India government census reveals their number to be 4172 people! This is the case for many other countries also. I can share verifiable proofs with you.