Bahai prophecies ?

[Badi19]

36 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

I had heard once that Baha'is believe in the Qur'ān. Is that true? Or is it, to them, just another holy book that gets their "respect" (or lip service)?

Baha'is interpret the Quran according to their understanding

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"It is certainly most difficult to thoroughly grasp all the Surihs of the Qur'án, as it requires a detailed knowledge of the social, religious and historical background of Arabia at the time of the appearance of the Prophet. The believers can not possibly hope, therefore, to understand the Surihs after the first or even second or third reading. They have to study them again and again, ponder over their meaning, with the help of certain commentaries and explanatory notes as found, for instance, in the admirable translation made by SALE, endeavor to acquire as clear and correct understanding of their meaning and import as possible. This is naturally a slow process, but future generations of believers will certainly come to grasp it. For the present, the Guardian agrees, that it would be easier and more helpful to study the Book according to subjects, and not verse by verse and also in the light of the Báb, Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá's interpretation which throw such floods of light on the whole of the Qur'án."

(On behalf of Shoghi Effendi, Directives of the Guardian, p. 64)

 

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

40 minutes ago, megaman said:

Baha'is believe the Quran to be the Word of God

 

1 hour ago, megaman said:

Similar to how Moses brought the laws of God and Jesus did after him.

Do Baha'is also suppose, in that case, that God lied معاذ الله when He revealed the āyah of ختم النبوة?

[Sen McGlinn]

On 5/13/2016 at 6:26 PM, alidu78 said:

I saw these articles on wikipedia about prophecies on bahaism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_prophecies#A_ruler_who_will_raise_up_the_Bah.C3.A1.27.C3.AD_Faith

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4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

according to Ayati (a prominent and returned from Baha'is), this term was either in the year 1285 lunar(when Hossein Ali Nuri was exiled from Aderna It was issued in 1295 AH. This was while Aderna was captured by Russia and Britain in 1281. [2]

Edirne was captured by Russian and Britain in 1281 ???? How strange. That would be in 1865, but there's no historical record of the event. Which is logical, because Russia was fighting against Britain: France and Britain wanted to limit Russian expansion and therefore supported the Ottomans. You may have heard of the Crimean war (1853-1856). So anyone who claims they were working together should be treated with scepticism. Where is the evidence? 

The Suriy-e Ra'is / Surat-ar-Rais (Lawh-e Ra'is II) (aka Tablet of the Premier, Tablet to Ottoman first minister Mehmet Emin `Ali Pasha II) can be precisely dated  in Rabi'u'th-Thani 1285 / August 1868, when Baha'u'llah was in Kashaneh en route to Gallipoli. And as the text shows, he was in a very bad mood at the way his little group had been treated by 'Ali Pasha. At that time the Vilayat of Edirne was -- as it had been for centuries -- ruled by the Ottomans. The Russian occupation did not come until 1878, during the Russo-Turkish war. When the British again supported the Ottomans. 

Even if you cannot read the Adyannet site well (it looks like you relied on google translate), you only have to look at the images they use to represent Bahais to see that they will not tell truth about Bahais. It is a propaganda site pure and simple.  Here's the image they use to show the Bahais taking over the world with occult powers and a crystal ball (The text over the picture says Husayn Ali Nuri, fore-seer or demagogue):



You can find more about the iconography of anti-Bahaism on my Bahai studies blog:
https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/images-of-hate/ 
Once you recognize how the images are trying to manipulate the reader to fear evil everywhere, you will be properly skeptical about the claimed "facts" on such sites. Truth needs no tricks. 
 

[Badi19]

2 hours ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

 

Do Baha'is also suppose, in that case, that God lied معاذ الله when He revealed the āyah of ختم النبوة?

Baha'is have a concept of "Cycles". They believe that the "Adamic Cycle" ended with the Prophet of Islam. Mohammed was the "seal" of Adamic Cycle. This is a new era, a new Dispensation (Baha'i Dispensation) when God revealed Himself to the mankind through Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah is the manifestation of God. And this process of "God revealing Himself" to mankind only happens once every 500,000 years. All new prophets, first will come at least after some 850 years will be a Baha'i Prophet.

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

37 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Baha'is have a concept of "Cycles". They believe that the "Adamic Cycle" ended with the Prophet of Islam. Mohammed was the "seal" of Adamic Cycle. This is a new era, a new Dispensation (Baha'i Dispensation) when God revealed Himself to the mankind through Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah is the manifestation of God. And this process of "God revealing Himself" to mankind only happens once every 500,000 years. All new prophets, first will come at least after some 850 years will be a Baha'i Prophet.

And from whence do they derive this seemingly convoluted, ad hoc concept?

[Badi19]

14 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

And from whence do they derive this seemingly convoluted, ad hoc concept?

From Baha'u'llah! Baha'u'llah is God. Many earlier Baha'is believed that he was God in human Temple (body), even today many Persian Baha'is believe that. Baha'is pray in the direction of Baha'u'llah's grave. When Baha'u'llah was alive all Baha'is used to pray in the direction wherever Baha was. The Qiblah was moving alongwith Baha'u'llah!

[megaman]

3 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Baha'u'llah is God

Hi @Badi19, that's wrong, I'm a Baha'i and non of the Baha'is I know, believe that. Please don't make false claims about other people.

[hadez803]

42 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, that's wrong, I'm a Baha'i and non of the Baha'is I know, believe that. Please don't make false claims about other people.

Of course you don't know because they don't translate those quotes to English. Here is an example from the time he was imprisoned:

"There is no God but me the lonely, the imprisoned." (Bahā’u’llāh, Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā (Canada: Mu’assisiyi Ma`ārif Bahā’ī, 1996), vol. 1, no. 39, p. 226)

[megaman]

4 hours ago, hadez803 said:

Of course you don't know because they don't translate those quotes to English. Here is an example from the time he was imprisoned:

"There is no God but me the lonely, the imprisoned." (Bahā’u’llāh, Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā (Canada: Mu’assisiyi Ma`ārif Bahā’ī, 1996), vol. 1, no. 39, p. 226)

 

Hi @hadez803,

The title Baha'u'llah means "Glory of God". That in itself is proof that He isn't claiming to be God.

We also know that there is only one God and we shouldn't attach partners with God. He is exalted above and beyond our understanding. Also, while Baha'u'llah was imprisoned in the Black Pit of Tehran, He received a revelation from God. 

A quote by Baha'u'llah:

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Give heed to My warning, ye people of Persia! If I be slain at your hands, God will assuredly raise up one who will fill the seat made vacant through My death, for such is God’s method carried into effect of old, and no change can ye find in God’s method of dealing. Seek ye to put out God’s light that shineth upon His earth? Averse is God from what ye desire. He shall perfect His light, albeit ye abhor it in the secret of your hearts. (Gleanings, page 224, 225) http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-113.html 

This quote makes it perfectly clear that He isn't claiming to be God.

Another point I would like to make is the Voice. What I mean is that to differentiate between the Voice of God and the Prophets and Messengers. For example, you and I can read the Bible and not think that Jesus is claiming to be God and yet many Christians believe that Christ is God. In the Quran we read the following, but no Muslim thinks that Prophet Muhammad is claiming to be God:

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Indeed, I am Allah . There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance. (20:14) https://quran.com/20/14 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 minute ago, megaman said:

This quote makes it perfectly clear that He isn't claiming to be God.

The main problem is that he hasn’t an original word from himself he just makes delusion with what exists in Shia quetes by Ahlulbayt (as) & say this is from him & his followers blindly accept his words & prefer  a weak man with mistakes & vague background to people that purified & selected by Allah .

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

@megaman, would you please address my question?

[megaman]

27 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

The main problem is that he hasn’t an original word from himself he just makes delusion with what exists in Shia quetes by Ahlulbayt (as) & say this is from him & his followers blindly accept his words & prefer  a weak man with mistakes & vague background to people that purified & selected by Allah .

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, that's another discussion besides this thread, but I can happily clarify. I think a good place to start reading the Writings of Baha'u'llah would be the Kitab-i-Iqan, which is in Farsi. Baha'u'llah revealed Holy Verses in both Persian and English, with amazing rapidity. For example, He revealved the Iqan in 2 days.

[megaman]

13 hours ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

Do Baha'is also suppose, in that case, that God lied معاذ الله when He revealed the āyah of ختم النبوة?

Hi Rashid, God forbid I even think that. I believe in all of the Quran, including Quran 33:40. I believe that the Seal is only until the Day of Judgement, when Mahdi and Isa return. Isa is a Rasool. As a Baha'i, I believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Isa and that we are in the Day of Judgement. 

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

11 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi Rashid, God forbid I even think that. I believe in all of the Quran, including Quran 33:40. I believe that the Seal is only until the Day of Judgement, when Mahdi and Isa return. Isa is a Rasool. As a Baha'i, I believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Isa and that we are in the Day of Judgement. 

Thanks for the quick response.

How can we be "in the Day of Judgement" when literally none of its Qur'ānic descriptions apply to our lives. For just one example: I don't recall being resurrected from the dead at any point. Do you?

I'm sorry, but that's all just baldersash. Saying you believe something only to directly contradict it with what you really believe is simply not on.

Even if you had the benefit of my doubt and I granted that we're "in the Day of Judgement" (sans all the terrifying goings-on), where exactly does God's clear and perfect word specify that the ختم has an expiration date (nevermind the fact that that would conflict with the actual meaning of the word)? 

[megaman]

Hi @Rashīd al-Hanafī, I think that the interpretation of those signs and prophesies are symbolic. For example, the Jews were expecting Christ to come as a King and they interpreted that literally, not knowing that Whoever comes invested with the power of God, has sovereignty over all, and rejected Him. 

That specific example, about the dead being reborn, that's also symbolic. To me, it refers to spiritual awakening. I see death as a positive thing, something that frees the soul. Like a bird being freed from it's cage, wouldn't come back to it.

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يَا ابْنَ العَماءِ

جَعَلْتُ لَكَ الْمَوْتَ بِشَارَةً، كَيْفَ تَحْزَنُ مِنْهُ. وَجَعَلْتُ النُّورَ لَكَ ضِياءً، كَيْفَ تَحْتَجِبُ عَنْهُ.

O SON OF THE SUPREME! I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?

-Baha'u'llah, Hidden Words, part I, 32;

Another of these signs is the falling of the stars on earth. That in itself would annihilate the earth. My understanding from that is that stars represent the leaders of religion who used to guide people but now have fallen to depths. Look at the corruptions in Priests and Mullas in these days.

If we interpret that the Seal of the Prophets is forever, how can we expect Isa to come back?

[Ashvazdanghe]

4 hours ago, megaman said:

If we interpret that the Seal of the Prophets is forever, how can we expect Isa to come back?

Isa (as) is mentioned prophet Muhammd (pbu) as seal of prophets but ,it is ignored by Paul ,he destroyed true Christianity and presents a mixture of idolatry & Mithraism with essence of christanity also prophet Isa (as) is not dead yet & who claims return of him before reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) is a liar & his book is just a bunch of lies.

[megaman]

Hi @Ashvazdanghe,

20 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

it is ignored by Paul ,he destroyed true Christianity and presents a mixture of idolatry & Mithraism

Do you mean Paul the Apostle of Christ? I haven't heard any of those things being mixed with Christianity but you might know more.

I think Paul is an important figure in Christianity. One who thought the Gospel early on.

24 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

who claims return of him before reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) is a liar & his book is just a bunch of lies.

I agree. Baha'is believe that Siyyed Muhammad Ali Shirazi, The Bab, is Mahdi and Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ.

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 minutes ago, megaman said:

I agree. Baha'is believe that Siyyed Muhammad Ali Shirazi, The Bab, is Mahdi and Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ.

i know it but Imam Mahdi (aj) declared by himself who claims these before coming of Sufyani (la) is liar ,these two persons just benefited from ignorance of people at their time to claim such false claims if you want fake Mahdis & Isas a bunch of them every year founds in Iran & we don't need the old ones.

 

The last exposition and letter that the Imam Mahdi (aj) wrote to his fourth and last special vice, a few days before his death. The text of the letter is as follows:

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Rahim; O Ali ibn Muhammad Samri! May God reciprocate your brothers in your mourning. Truly, you are going to the next world after six days. So take care of your work and do not make will to anyone to succeed you after death. Indeed  the second absent (complete absence) is happend. So there is no emergence. Unless after the permission of the divine god, and it will beafter that, after a long time and the cruelty of the hearts and the filling of the earth with cruelty. very soon some persons Come to my Shiites, who  claim seeing. Know whoeve, before emerging of Sufyany and sky call, he is a liar and defamatory.  لاقوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم. (1)

 بحار الانوار، ج52، ص151

Bihar'ul'Anwar v52 p151

https://article.tebyan.net/233958/هر-کس-بگوید-مرا-دیده-دروغ-می-گوید-

 

these two signs not happened  yet so every person that claims this ie Bab & Baha after him are liars.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Ashvazdanghe

[Badi19]

14 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, that's wrong, I'm a Baha'i and non of the Baha'is I know, believe that. Please don't make false claims about other people.

That's not wrong and this isn't false claim. Baha'u'llah had different "Tablets" (i mean Pills) for different kinds of people. For Opium addict (confidant) Babis he had something else to offer for people like Manekji Limji Hataria he has something else. For Christians something else for Jews some other Pills and for Sunnis another Tablet.

To his very confident Babi companions he was God, they believed that way and Baha'u'llah said their belief was correct. Do you want me to quote that passage from the "Tablet of Jamal-i-Burujerdi"?

You can also read the text here quoted from Baha'i source:

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/2018/04/bahaullah-is-lord-of-hosts-heavenly.html

In his "Tablet of Birth" Baha'u'llah also claimed that "this day is the day when he is born who is "Lam Yalid wa Lam Yulad"" (my paraphrasing).

There are a lot of such examples.

[Badi19]

9 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803,

The title Baha'u'llah means "Glory of God". That in itself is proof that He isn't claiming to be God.

We also know that there is only one God and we shouldn't attach partners with God. He is exalted above and beyond our understanding. Also, while Baha'u'llah was imprisoned in the Black Pit of Tehran, He received a revelation from God. 

A quote by Baha'u'llah:

This quote makes it perfectly clear that He isn't claiming to be God.

Another point I would like to make is the Voice. What I mean is that to differentiate between the Voice of God and the Prophets and Messengers. For example, you and I can read the Bible and not think that Jesus is claiming to be God and yet many Christians believe that Christ is God. In the Quran we read the following, but no Muslim thinks that Prophet Muhammad is claiming to be God:

 

I have replied to this, see my comment just before this one.

[megaman]

4 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

To his very confident Babi companions he was God, they believed that way and Baha'u'llah said their belief was correct. Do you want me to quote that passage from the "Tablet of Jamal-i-Burujerdi"?

What people believe and what is actually claimed are different. Many believe Christ is God, doesn't mean He made that claim.

[Badi19]

8 hours ago, megaman said:

Baha'u'llah revealed Holy Verses in both Persian and English, with amazing rapidity.

in English !!!!

You mean Arabic? Yea. But his Arabic was of very high Quality!!! Only Baha'i Scholars can grasp it!!! Sometimes his God revealed him verses in mixed languages!! Arabic and Persian mixed.

[Badi19]

4 minutes ago, megaman said:

What people believe and what is actually claimed are different. Many believe Christ is God, doesn't mean He made that claim.

He made that claim is not a matter of dispute. As I have said he made different claims to different people. He made that claims to Babis.

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/search/label/Godhood

Check this

[megaman]

1 minute ago, Badi19 said:

Check this

Hi @Badi19, I would appreciate if you used authoritative Baha'i sources. 

[Sen McGlinn]

16 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

He made that claim is not a matter of dispute. As I have said he made different claims to different people. He made that claims to Babis.

http://bahaitexts.blogspot.com/search/label/Godhood

Check this

So I checked it - no sources, no context, no value. 

[Badi19]

12 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, I would appreciate if you used authoritative Baha'i sources. 

Here you go.

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Verily, no God is there but Me, the Wronged One, the Exile.

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TB/tb-29.html
 

[megaman]

10 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

Here you go.

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TB/tb-29.html
 

Thanks, that was a good read. Many Baha'is, myself included have read this and not concluded that Baha'u'llah is God but you are free to believe as you wish.

[hadez803]

12 minutes ago, Sen McGlinn said:

So I checked it - no sources, no context, no value. 

Well, well well, if it isn't Sen McGlinn. Allow me to give you some sources with context and value. How about we use the book of the Prominent Baha'i author and pioneer, Ishraq Khawari. Namely his work Ayyam'i Tis'ih reproduced by Kalimat press with the permission of the Baha'i universal house of justice.

 

 

On page 50 of this book for the event of his own birthday Baha'u'llah claims that this is a day (or night) that:

"ولد فیه من لم یلد و لم یولد"

"In it has been born he who has not been born nor begots" (Ishraq Khawari, Ayyam'i tis'ih, p. 50 [citing Baha'u'llah])

The second section is a clear reference to verse 112:3 of the Quran that states Allah "has not been born nor begots" yet Baha'u'llah claims that person that is not born is he himself and in fact HE HAS BEEN BORN.

This statement is so wrong on so many levels that I am not even going to waste my time explaining it any further.

 

[megaman]

Hi @hadez803, the Manifestations of God, Baha'u'llah, The Bab, Muhammad, Christ, Buddha and Moses to name a few, are perfect Mirrors of the attributes of God. 

As a Baha'i, I believe that God is an Unknowable Essense and beyond human understanding. We can only know God through His Manifestations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidrat_al-Muntaha

 

[Badi19]

12 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, the Manifestations of God, Baha'u'llah, The Bab, Muhammad, Christ, Buddha and Moses to name a few, are perfect Mirrors of the attributes of God. 

As a Baha'i, I believe that God is an Unknowable Essense and beyond human understanding. We can only know God through His Manifestations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidrat_al-Muntaha

 

There are two types of beliefs. Baha'u'llah says both are correct. Read Baha'u'llah's tablet to Jamal-i-Burujerdi. He says its ok if someone believes that Baha'u'llah is that "unknowable" God and it is also Ok if someone like you doesn't believes that. Do you want me to quote that part of Tablet?

Edited June 21, 2018 by Badi19

[hadez803]

18 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @hadez803, the Manifestations of God, Baha'u'llah, The Bab, Muhammad, Christ, Buddha and Moses to name a few, are perfect Mirrors of the attributes of God.  

As a Baha'i, I believe that God is an Unknowable Essense and beyond human understanding. We can only know God through His Manifestations. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidrat_al-Muntaha

 

As a human being I also believe that the essence of God is unknowable, but Baha'u'llah begs to differ. He does not claim he is a mirror of God's attributes. He claims he is God himself:

"In it has been born he who has not been born nor begots" (Ishraq Khawari, Ayyam'i tis'ih, p. 50 [citing Baha'u'llah])

And please don't impose your non-orthodox beliefs on Islam. Muhammad was not a manifestation of God. Baha'u'llah made up this concept and there is no such concept in Islam.

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

9 hours ago, megaman said:

That specific example, about the dead being reborn, that's also symbolic.

 

9 hours ago, megaman said:

If we interpret that the Seal of the Prophets

Upon what basis do you exchange حقيقي for مجازي or do تخصيص in any of these cases? Is there some valid hermeneutic at work, or is it just ad hoc justification of the false narrative forced on you by a false prophet? It's terribly irrational and intellectually dishonest to just dismiss things that clash with what you want to be true as "metaphor." That's a cop out, and makes your position all the more untenable.

9 hours ago, megaman said:

Another of these signs is the falling of the stars on earth. That in itself would annihilate the earth.

Meteors and asteroids collide with planets all the time, including our own, without affecting their annihilation. Does Qur'ānic Arabic differentiate between what we call stars and what we call planets, even? Sort of but not really. What about meteors and asteroids? Again, not really. This is invalid grounds for dismissal. As a piece of friendly and sincere advice: you should exercise more caution when making your own تفسير, particularly when it seems - and correct me if I'm wrong - that you're relying on inadequate translation; that is, if you truly believe the Qur'ān to be God's Word and you aren't just saying it to placate the Muslims.

9 hours ago, megaman said:

how can we expect Isa to come back?

This isn't a Qur'ānic belief. And even if I accepted it, which to be honest I don't, the narrations that set it up also make it clear that Nabī `Īsā `alayhi salām would be an ummatī of Muhammad ﷺ. But that's a moot point since خاتم means the very last, final something.

[megaman]

On 6/21/2018 at 7:45 AM, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

Meteors and asteroids collide with planets all the time, including our own

Hi Rashid, I think that the result of that would be catastrophic. https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/natural-disasters/asteroid-hits-earth.htm  

On 6/21/2018 at 7:45 AM, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

As a piece of friendly and sincere advice: you should exercise more caution when making your own تفسير, particularly when it seems - and correct me if I'm wrong - that you're relying on inadequate translation; that is, if you truly believe the Qur'ān to be God's Word and you aren't just saying it to placate the Muslims.

My apologies. My Quran quotes and translations are from Quran.com If you have a better source for translations, please let me know.

Also, going back to the example of being reborn (another quote from Quran.com, sorry is the translation if off)

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ثُمَّ بَعَثْنَاكُم مِّن بَعْدِ مَوْتِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ - 2:56

Then We revived you after your death that perhaps you would be grateful.

Is this physical or spiritual?

[megaman]

10 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

before emerging of Sufyany and sky call, he is a liar and defamatory.

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, I believe in the Sufyani as well. I believe it was Imam Baqir who says that the Sufyani and Mahdi will rise in the same year.

In the Sheikhi movement, the leader, Siyyid Kazim Rashti, before his passing had told his students that he has no successor and that they should instead go search for the Mahdi.

But Karim Khan Kermani assumed leadership and ignored the call. He is considered the Sufyani.

There is another tradition that Mahdi will go to Mecca for Hajj and no one will see him. http://lib.eshia.ir/71660/2/413/"يشهد_في_إحداهما_الموسم_يرى_الناس_و_لا_يرونه" 

The Bab made Hajj after His declaration in 1844 and in Macca He proclaimed that He is the Mahdi but no one followed.

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

1 hour ago, megaman said:

I think that the result of that would be catastrophic

Yes, read the Qur'ān and all it has to say about how it will be here on that Day معاذ الله. Sounds to me like a planet that has been turned into a wasteland currently in orbit around a red giant. It would take cataclysmic bombardment from outer space to slow and then reverse the Earth's rotation as well - which is what it would take, practically speaking, for the Sun to rise from the west. But there's nothing in any of that which necessitates that the Earth be annihilated (which is the only thing that would preclude the possibility of literal resurrection of humankind).

Why mention reconstituting even our fingertips if this is all some airy-fairy spiritual awakening? Why mention a sonic boom (read, "trumpet blast") that kills every living thing? What does some wonderful metaphysical rebirth have to do with mountains being torn apart? 

There are too many more things wrong with insisting that "we are in Judgement day now."

1 hour ago, megaman said:

If you have a better source for translations, please let me know.

It's not about finding a better translation, it's about them all being inadequate. If you're going to really understand what the Qur'ān is saying, it has to be on its own terms in Arabic. 

1 hour ago, megaman said:

Is this physical or spiritual?

In that specific āyah's specific context - a context that has nothing to do with the Day of Judgement, so bad example - it is a metaphor. I never argued that "death" can't be metaphorical.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Rashīd al-Hanafī