Bahai prophecies ?

[Mohammadi_follower]

Salam aleykoum,

I saw these articles on wikipedia about prophecies on bahaism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_prophecies#A_ruler_who_will_raise_up_the_Bah.C3.A1.27.C3.AD_Faith

They say that for exemple bahaism prophesied the end of caliphate and the two world wars etc.

What do you think about that ?

[narsis]

Bismillah.

Salaam.

To survey the Bahāʼī prophecies we are supposed to refer to their own sources; I mention some of those here:

1.   In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bāb (the founder of Bābīsm and one of three central figures of the Bahāʼī Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.

You see that this prophecy has not happened yet while his claim dates back to more than 100 years ago.

The story gets interesting when we see that 20 years after this claim, the main leader of Bahāʼīs, Mirza Husain Ali confessed in his book "ʼIqān" (p.68) that no one has believed in Bāb unless few people.

2.   In the second claim, Bāb declared that all European people will believe in his religion soon.

This claim had happened on 1365 A.H. while he was not able to answer the scholarly questions of Tabrizi scholars and such vain speeches of him made a great dispute among scholars that whether he is insane or not? So Dr. Kurmik came to him and he quoted the above-mentioned claim from Bāb. (Hadhrat Nuqtah ʼUlā, p.294-295).

And there are other prophecies claimed by Mirza Husain Ali Nūrī that have never happened.

With Duas.

Narsis.

[Mohammadi_follower]

On 5/13/2016 at 2:18 PM, narsis said:

Bismillah.

Salaam.

To survey the Bahāʼī prophecies we are supposed to refer to their own sources; I mention some of those here:

1.   In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bāb (the founder of Bābīsm and one of three central figures of the Bahāʼī Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.

You see that this prophecy has not happened yet while his claim dates back to more than 100 years ago.

The story gets interesting when we see that 20 years after this claim, the main leader of Bahāʼīs, Mirza Husain Ali confessed in his book "ʼIqān" (p.68) that no one has believed in Bāb unless few people.

2.   In the second claim, Bāb declared that all European people will believe in his religion soon.

This claim had happened on 1365 A.H. while he was not able to answer the scholarly questions of Tabrizi scholars and such vain speeches of him made a great dispute among scholars that whether he is insane or not? So Dr. Kurmik came to him and he quoted the above-mentioned claim from Bāb. (Hadhrat Nuqtah ʼUlā, p.294-295).

And there are other prophecies claimed by Mirza Husain Ali Nūrī that have never happened.

With Duas.

Narsis.

Thank you very much . Could you give me other fake prophecies of the bab ? 

And well you didnt said to me what do you think about the prophecies mentionned in the wikipedia link.

[Sen McGlinn]

As for the prediction " The time is two years hence, when only a spark will set aflame the whole of Europe... by 1917 kingdoms will fall and cataclysms will rock the earth." - this is not the authentic words of Abdu'l-Baha. He did warn of the imminent war in Europe, and once the war had began, people noticed that he had been warning of it two years earlier, and these words were attributed to him.  I have traced the sources of the story in detail on my Bahai Studies blog, at :
https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/1917-and-all-that/

However the following warning on that wikipedia page is accurate. It is from a long letter of Abdu'l-Baha which is available in Persian and has been translated in full. I will give the bit about the Balkans with a bit more context:

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Praise be to Him, ye are acquainted with the various laws, institutions and principles of the world; today nothing short of these divine teachings can assure peace and tranquillity to mankind. But for these teachings, this darkness shall never vanish, these chronic diseases shall never be healed; nay, they shall grow fiercer from day to day. The Balkans will remain discontented. Its restlessness will increase. The vanquished Powers will continue to agitate.  They will resort to every measure that may rekindle the flame of war. Movements, newly-born and world-wide in their range, will exert their utmost effort for the advancement of their designs. The Movement of the Left will acquire great importance. Its influence will spread.

Strive ye, therefore, with the help of God, with illumined minds and hearts and a strength born of heaven, to become a bestowal from God to man, and to call into being for all humankind, comfort and peace.

    (Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 249-250)

[Sen McGlinn]

2 hours ago, alidu78 said:

... In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), ...

I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Sen McGlinn
added "In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31),"

[Mohammadi_follower]

58 minutes ago, Sen McGlinn said:

I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.

Are you yourself bahai ?

I heard also that the bab said that most of the jews in iran will soon convert to bahaism. Is it true ?

[Mohammadi_follower]

On 5/13/2016 at 2:18 PM, narsis said:

Bismillah.

Salaam.

To survey the Bahāʼī prophecies we are supposed to refer to their own sources; I mention some of those here:

1.   In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bāb (the founder of Bābīsm and one of three central figures of the Bahāʼī Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.

You see that this prophecy has not happened yet while his claim dates back to more than 100 years ago.

The story gets interesting when we see that 20 years after this claim, the main leader of Bahāʼīs, Mirza Husain Ali confessed in his book "ʼIqān" (p.68) that no one has believed in Bāb unless few people.

Well Narsis are you sure of your statement ?

Because Sen is not agree

[narsis]

8 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.

This is the statement:

و عن قریب فوق اکراس بیان و اعراش آن، متدققین از علمای آن و محققین از حکمای آن، به ذکر آن افتخار نمایند

You can read more here:

http://bahaipajoohi.ir/article/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A6%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C

[sefket83]

Really God the wise maybe just tested him, gave him some correct information about the future. We need to look at his sayings if they are consistent with different religious scriptures (since he claimed all religions came from one source) and they are not.

Edited May 15, 2016 by sefket83

[Sen McGlinn]

On 5/14/2016 at 11:46 AM, narsis said:

This is the statement:

و عن قریب فوق اکراس بیان و اعراش آن، متدققین از علمای آن و محققین از حکمای آن، به ذکر آن افتخار نمایند

You can read more here:

http://bahaipajoohi.ir/article/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A6%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C

 

On 5/14/2016 at 3:59 AM, alidu78 said:

Are you yourself bahai ?

I heard also that the bab said that most of the jews in iran will soon convert to bahaism. Is it true ?

Yes. I am a Bahai. I have not heard that the Bab prophesied the conversion of the Jews in Iran. Many have converted, and so have many Zoroastrians - but this could be a prophecy after the fact. First they converted, then someone said that the Bab prophesied it.

[Sen McGlinn]

The original claim was :

In his book "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bab (the founder of Babism and one of three central figures of the Baha'i Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.I found a Persian edition of  "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" with something like this statement on pages 30-31, but it is nothing like the Persian text you posted. The Persian text is here,

http://www.bayanic.com/showPict.php?id=seven&ref=47&err=0&curr=47

on the last line and onto the next page,

The English translation is here:
http://bahai-library.com/bab_nicolas_terry_proofs
on page 24 last two paragraphs:
 

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Imagine the creatures that live today as if they were living at the  time of Muhammad.  At the epoch in which this Sun arose, whoever accepted it was accepted in His turn. Their acceptance was such, relative to  the preceding  Manifestations,  that  God  approved  of  their  change  of  faith  and  accorded  them saintliness. How perfect is the grace of God and how far men are from it!  How much they wish they had been of those who had heard a single verse issue from the mouth of Muhammad, and today when these verses descend from the heaven of the divine mercy like a spring shower, nobody listens to them! With the passage of time, the Bayánis (Bábis) will form also the same wishes, but they will be put to the test by the Man Yazhiruhu'llah!

It is a prediction - but it is a prediction that his own followers will come to say, "I wish I had lived in the time of the Bab and been among his first disciples," but then they will reject "Man Yazhiruhu'llah" (he whom God will manifest, the next Manifestation of God) and so miss their chance to be among the early disciples and Companions.

[sefket83]

3 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

The original claim was :

In his book "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bab (the founder of Babism and one of three central figures of the Baha'i Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.I found a Persian edition of  "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" with something like this statement on pages 30-31, but it is nothing like the Persian text you posted. The Persian text is here,

http://www.bayanic.com/showPict.php?id=seven&ref=47&err=0&curr=47

on the last line and onto the next page,

The English translation is here:
http://bahai-library.com/bab_nicolas_terry_proofs
on page 24 last two paragraphs:
 

It is a prediction - but it is a prediction that his own followers will come to say, "I wish I had lived in the time of the Bab and been among his first disciples," but then they will reject "Man Yazhiruhu'llah" (he whom God will manifest, the next Manifestation of God) and so miss their chance to be among the early disciples and Companions.

You know I have received information about the future also nothing that made me think I was a prophet. If you are determined to have something, have faith you will have it and no fear of any opposition then God will give you information to help you.

May God guide us everyone

[imranshaykh]

Dear All:

Some links from my web site which talk about the false prophecies (also dubbed lies) of the Bahai Faith.

False Prophecy of the UHJ: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/uhj_failed_prophecy.html

Bahai Faith - The Failed Prophecy: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai17.html

Iranians Convert to Bahai Faith? http://thebahaiinsider.com/2016/01/17/the-failed-bahai-prophecy-about-all-iranian-jews-converting-to-bahaism/

Five Clear Lies of Abdul Baha: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/abdul_baha_liar.html

The Fatal Flaw in Bahai Authority: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai18.html

- Imran Shaykh

[Mohammadi_follower]

On 2/11/2017 at 12:14 AM, imranshaykh said:

Dear All:

Some links from my web site which talk about the false prophecies (also dubbed lies) of the Bahai Faith.

False Prophecy of the UHJ: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/uhj_failed_prophecy.html

Bahai Faith - The Failed Prophecy: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai17.html

Iranians Convert to Bahai Faith? http://thebahaiinsider.com/2016/01/17/the-failed-bahai-prophecy-about-all-iranian-jews-converting-to-bahaism/

Five Clear Lies of Abdul Baha: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/abdul_baha_liar.html

The Fatal Flaw in Bahai Authority: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai18.html

- Imran Shaykh

Thank you I will see that later.

[megaman]

Baha'u'llah prophesied the fall of many rulers in His time like Napoleon III, Sultan Abdul-Aziz of Turkey and Nasrid-Din Shah of Persia.

He wrote to the kings and rulers of the world, asking them to rule with justice and compassion. 

Full text here: http://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/summons-lord-hosts/summons-lord-hosts.pdf?276d654f 

[megaman]

On 5/15/2016 at 1:47 PM, sefket83 said:

Really God the wise maybe just tested him, gave him some correct information about the future. We need to look at his sayings if they are consistent with different religious scriptures (since he claimed all religions came from one source) and they are not.

Hi @sefket83, can we say that Christianity and Judaism are not from God?

The differences are do to the capacity and needs of the people and it is not to be attributed to the Knowledge of God, The All-Knowing, The All-Wise.

For example, the needs and capacities of a 1st grade student are very different then the one in high school or post secondary.

[Badi19]

On 6/18/2018 at 1:21 AM, megaman said:

Hi @sefket83, can we say that Christianity and Judaism are not from God?

The differences are do to the capacity and needs of the people and it is not to be attributed to the Knowledge of God, The All-Knowing, The All-Wise.

For example, the needs and capacities of a 1st grade student are very different then the one in high school or post secondary.

Why are Baha'i Symbols Trademarked & Baha'i writings copyrighted like the cult of Scientology? Which "grade" are the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? What is the "grade" of Orthodox Baha'is, they believe in a living Guardian!

[megaman]

42 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

On 6/17/2018 at 12:51 PM, megaman said:

Hi @sefket83, can we say that Christianity and Judaism are not from God?

The differences are do to the capacity and needs of the people and it is not to be attributed to the Knowledge of God, The All-Knowing, The All-Wise.

For example, the needs and capacities of a 1st grade student are very different then the one in high school or post secondary.

Why are Baha'i Symbols Trademarked & Baha'i writings copyrighted like the cult of Scientology? Which "grade" are the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? What is the "grade" of Orthodox Baha'is, they believe in a living Guardian!

Hi @Badi19, the example of grades was for progressive revelation. Meaning that each Messenger, brought teachings for the needs and capacity of the people of that time. I was bringing this up to explain the differences in religious scriptures. Even though they all come from God, they are dependent on on the capacity of the receiver. We observe differences such as fasting, in mode of prayer, family life and etc. By mentioning school grades, I was referring to the capacity of each student. The teacher who knows all the material, wouldn't teach a grade 1 student, grade 5 material and vice versa.

Regarding the symbol copyrights, I don't know anything about it. 

[Badi19]

2 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, the example of grades was for progressive revelation. Meaning that each Messenger, brought teachings for the needs and capacity of the people of that time. I was bringing this up to explain the differences in religious scriptures. Even though they all come from God, they are dependent on on the capacity of the receiver. We observe differences such as fasting, in mode of prayer, family life and etc. By mentioning school grades, I was referring to the capacity of each student. The teacher who knows all the material, wouldn't teach a grade 1 student, grade 5 material and vice versa.

Regarding the symbol copyrights, I don't know anything about it. 

Oh. I see. So what is the grade of the people of Bahaism and what is the grade of people of Ahmadiyya Movement? How do YOU allot grades?

Regarding Symbol Copyrights, please check below link. The mainstream Haifan "Baha'i Faith © ™" is incorporated as a "company" in many countries. I can share with you the "certificates of incorporation" if you are interested in looking them. A religion that is also a Company, it has members, I-Cards, Trademarks, Copyrights, elections, sanctions, etc.

http://www.truebahai.com/2007/12/court-case-upda.html

[megaman]

8 hours ago, Badi19 said:

Oh. I see. So what is the grade of the people of Bahaism and what is the grade of people of Ahmadiyya Movement? How do YOU allot grades?

Regarding Symbol Copyrights, please check below link. The mainstream Haifan "Baha'i Faith © ™" is incorporated as a "company" in many countries. I can share with you the "certificates of incorporation" if you are interested in looking them. A religion that is also a Company, it has members, I-Cards, Trademarks, Copyrights, elections, sanctions, etc.

http://www.truebahai.com/2007/12/court-case-upda.html

Hi @Badi19, the grades I was referring to is the capacity of humanity throughout history and that now we are in the stage of maturity.

I don't pay much attention to those sites.

[Badi19]

12 hours ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, the grades I was referring to is the capacity of humanity throughout history and that now we are in the stage of maturity.

I don't pay much attention to those sites.

Why don't you pay "much attention" to such sites? Why you expect Shias to pay attention to your minuscule cult? Where is your "independent investigation" gone? You told that you know nothing about trademarks, copyrights, symbols, court cases so I shared this link from authentic "Orthodox Baha'i" sources but you don't want to check it, then you talk about "Independent Investigation of truth"!!!?

[megaman]

1 minute ago, Badi19 said:

Why don't you pay "much attention" to such sites? Why you expect Shias to pay attention to your minuscule cult? Where is your "independent investigation" gone? You told that you know nothing about trademarks, copyrights, symbols, court cases so I shared this link from authentic "Orthodox Baha'i" sources but you don't want to check it, then you talk about "Independent Investigation of truth"!!!?

Hi @Badi19, I have no expectations of anyone. I have been to those sites and all I saw was hatred.

[Badi19]

18 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, I have no expectations of anyone. I have been to those sites and all I saw was hatred.

Who hates whom? They did not initiated the case. It was the Haifan Baha'is who sued them for using the Trademarked word Baha'i!

[Ashvazdanghe]

24 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, I have no expectations of anyone. I have been to those sites and all I saw was hatred.

One of these predictions can be envisaged in the prediction of the fall of the ruler of Aderna, by the prophet's contender, as he has said:  [1] Soon the land and behind of it will be transformed and the hand The crown prince (Aderna) will be cut short. "
But Hossein Ali Nouri, while declaring the fall of the ruler of Aderna in the name of his foreword, said that, according to Ayati (a prominent and returned from Baha'is), this term was either in the year 1285 lunar(when Hossein Ali Nuri was exiled from Aderna It was issued in 1295 AH. This was while Aderna was captured by Russia and Britain in 1281. [2]
Therefore, while the oppressive power of the Ottoman ruler of Aderna was over, in the year 1281 AD, Hossein Ali Nouri predicted it in his solemn heavenly planes four years later! Yes, it is a false claim that, in order to legitimize its fabrication, it has resorted to any deception and trickery!

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27242

 

Comprehensive Base of the Difference, Religions and Religions Baha'i leaders claimed that with the coming of them, the promise of divine religions would be realized regarding global peace and justice, as Abolfazl Gulpaaygani (from the Baha'i missionaries) said: "All nations are united in the end of the time Through the rise of two Nayr A'azim (Bab and Baha'a), Alam Qamys (: new clothes)wear new cloth, the war will be overcome. "[1]
But the claim was made that only some years after the emergence of these two false claims, two world wars took place, resulting in the deaths, injuries and displacement of millions. "After the signs, Golpayegani quoted signs as saying:" After the dawn of Bab and Baha, none of these elements appeared, but Hellenistic instruments were invented and far more than before, the world was compromised and the work of the public war ". [2]
Yes, over 170 years after the birth of Babi and Baha'is, injustice and tyranny are increasing every day, while divine religions believed that immediately after the emergence of the Savior, the security and peace of the world will be realized, as in the traditions of the infallible (Peace be upon him), regarding the Savior of the Apocalypse, it is stated: ; [3]; Allah through Him, spread justice  on Earth, As it is Filled with Oppression and injustice ".

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27246

If we believe in the necessity of religious revision, we should also believe in the prescriptions of Baha'ism by Jamshid Ma'ani. Because with ever-increasing human progress, the date of the expiration of the Baha'ism is undoubtedly over the course of a century. Yes, a organization that has always violated Muslims for believing in the holiness of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH & HP), practically adheres to his belief in his prophecy, and does not shake the same arguments as his predecessors!

 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27247

 

The Comprehensive Base of the Difference, Religions and Religions The Baha'i sects in their propaganda emphasized the need for adherence to honesty and impartiality, which should not be underestimated, even if truth leads to human murders. As Shoghi Effendi said in answer to a question, "Is it reasonable to say something out of the truth in order to save someone? The Prophet (s) believes that we, in any case, should not confront the fact of the truth ... Of course we should not prevail in expressing a story, but we are asked to do it directly. "[1]
While the Bahá'í leaders actually put it into practice, they write down the necessity of establishing Baha'i circles around the world with every deceptive title: "Shoghi Effendi has said ... If it is possible to name the circle as a religious population and if They could not be registered as a commercial board. "[2]
Yes, the leaders of the Baha'is, on the one hand, oblige their followers to be honest and truthful (even at the expense of another death) and conceal the concealment of belief in any circumstance [3]. On the other hand, for the sake of developing their own interests, resorting to lies, deceit and Concealment is necessary.

 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27243

 

Firstly, the tomb of Ali Mohammad Shirazi was built and developed at the time of Shoghi Effendi (and after the British occupation of Palestine). [2] Because with the Taqiyya 'Abdu'l-Bahá, at the time of the domination of the Ottoman Muslim state in the area, the construction of the tomb of Ali-Mohammad Shirazi as a proponent of the Islamic manuscript was virtually impossible. Therefore, the claim made by Abdu'l-Bahá is a sign of the ignorance or seduction of the audience by the Bahá'í organization.
Secondly, while even Baha'i sources acknowledge and confess to the Taqiyah and conceal their beliefs by Baha'i leaders, how can justifiably justify this divine and divine conduct of the leaders of Baha'is, ironically ?! As Bahá'í sources refer to the presence of 'Abdu'l-Bahá in the prayer of the Muslim community until the end of his life, [3] they considered the prayer of Islam to be unwritten and considered the prayer of the congregation forbidden. [4]

 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/26965

 

In this regard, the Prophet (pbuh) of Baha'is has introduced the meaning of the Paradise mentioned in Islamic teachings only by studying the satisfaction of the Lord. [1]
But in response to this claim by Baha'i leaders, it should be said that there are many verses about the external existence of paradise in response to the actions of the righteous. As mentioned in some of the above mentioned paradises, it is said:
In Paradise, there are vast gardens in the vastness of the heavens and the earth [2]; in which there are magnificent buildings and clear streams [3]; the parishes use the companionship of beautiful, affectionate and unbelieving wives [4]; as much as the desire of the paradises But above all we have it in heaven [5]; above all, they enjoy the blessings of mercy and divine righteousness [6], and this blessing and mercy and divine glory will continue forever and will not end there. 7]

 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27119

 

The leaders of the cult of Baha'is, while instructing the unconditional obedience of all the tyrannical governments, have prevented their followers from interfering in political affairs: "Everyone wants to give a citation to the government and the government about what they say and so The person who is the divine leader must answer that we belong to these affairs, not ourselves, as the royal ruler, and under the protection of His Majesty the kingdom. Your wisdom and interest are distracting and endearing ... especially as we are forbidden from interfering in the affairs of the government with the decisive inscription. "[2]
But this is the approach taken by the leaders of the Baha'is:
First, this position of the Baha'i leaders indicates their allegiance to the oppressors, otherwise, how can one accept that the just God has ordered to obey the ruthless rulers, while the Holy Quran says: "... Welan Yajalullah Lalekaperin Al-Mu'minin Sibila [Nisa: 141]; Allah has never given control over the believers to the disbelievers. "
Secondly, the Baha'i leaders have, on the one hand, ordered to obey the tyrannical and repressive governments and have called the rule of righteousness such as the United States fair, [3] but with an independent and undemocratic regime like Iran, and they are subjected to all their false doctrines! [4]

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27241

 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27205

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27159

 

https://www.adyannet.com/fa/news/27144

Bahaism history & terrorism in Iran (Farsi)

 

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/183195/بهائیان-قاتل-در-ایران-چه-کردند-عکس

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Ashvazdanghe

[megaman]

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, this is another source steeped in prejudice. A good examination of something should not come from someone else's opinion. 

For example, if I wanted to learn about the Quran, would I ask what others think about it or read it myself? In this case, the post is clearly from someone who is against the Baha'is. Although everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs, I don't think it should be used as a basis for discussion. 

 

EDIT:

It's unfortunate that Baha'i sites are blocked in Iran.

Edited June 20, 2018 by megaman

[Ashvazdanghe]

4 minutes ago, megaman said:

For example, if I wanted to learn about the Quran, would I ask what others think about it or read it myself? In this case, the post is clearly from someone who is against the Baha'is. Although everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs, I don't think it should be used as a basis for discussion. 

 

EDIT:

It's unfortunate that Baha'i sites are blocked in Iran.

all evidence is available in Bahai sources which mentioned in footnote of Link they have channels as "MANOTO" that this days completely unmasked their hatred & hypocrisy.

[Badi19]

7 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Ashvazdanghe, this is another source steeped in prejudice. A good examination of something should not come from someone else's opinion. 

For example, if I wanted to learn about the Quran, would I ask what others think about it or read it myself? In this case, the post is clearly from someone who is against the Baha'is. Although everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs, I don't think it should be used as a basis for discussion. 

 

EDIT:

It's unfortunate that Baha'i sites are blocked in Iran.

If you want to learn Quran you will learn it from Baha'u'llah!

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It is the task of the Bahá'ís to interpret the Quran, according to the Bahá'í teachings.

http://bahai-library.com/alexander_notes_presence_shoghieffendi

[megaman]

4 minutes ago, Badi19 said:

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It is the task of the Bahá'ís to interpret the Quran, according to the Bahá'í teachings.

 

Hi @Badi19, well of course. That's just natural.

[megaman]

8 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

all evidence is available in Bahai sources which mentioned in footnote of Link they have channels as "MANOTO" that this days completely unmasked their hatred & hypocrisy.

Dear @Ashvazdanghe, just because it's on TV, doesn't mean it's real.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Just now, megaman said:

just because it's on TV, doesn't mean it's real.

when you want refrain from truth nobody can convince you.

[Badi19]

1 minute ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, well of course. That's just natural.

Yea. And your Baha'u'llah has asked you to become blind and deaf:

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"Blind thine eyes, that thou mayest behold My beauty; stop thine ears, that thou mayest hearken unto the sweet melody of My voice; empty thyself of all learning, that thou mayest partake of My knowledge; and sanctify thyself from riches, that thou mayest obtain a lasting share from the ocean of My eternal wealth..."

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/hw-84.html

 

[megaman]

Hi @Badi19, thank you for sharing, it's beautiful. I'll post all of it for proper reference. 

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O SON OF DUST!

Blind thine eyes, that thou mayest behold My beauty; stop thine ears, that thou mayest hearken unto the sweet melody of My voice; empty thyself of all learning, that thou mayest partake of My knowledge; and sanctify thyself from riches, that thou mayest obtain a lasting share from the ocean of My eternal wealth. Blind thine eyes, that is, to all save My beauty; stop thine ears to all save My word; empty thyself of all learning save the knowledge of Me; that with a clear vision, a pure heart and an attentive ear thou mayest enter the court of My holiness. 

ای پسر تراب

کور شو تا جمالم بینی و کر شو تا لحن و صوت ملیحم را شنوی و جاهل شو تا از علمم نصیب بری و فقیر شو تا از بحر غنای لایزالم قسمت بیزوال برداری کور شو یعنی از مشاهدهٴ غیر جمال من و کر شو یعنی از استماع کلام غیر من و جاهل شو یعنی از سوای علم من تا با چشم پاک و دل طیّب و گوش لطیف بساحت قدسم درآئی

 

[Badi19]

4 minutes ago, megaman said:

Hi @Badi19, thank you for sharing, it's beautiful. I'll post all of it for proper reference. 

 

One more for you.

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“Cleanse your eyes from [seeing] the deniers and the polytheists (meaning non-Baha’is) and turn away from them,”

Bahā’u’llāh, Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā, vol. 2, no. 81, p. 477 (citing Baha’u’llah)

[Rashīd al-Hanafī]

I had heard once that Baha'is believe in the Qur'ān. Is that true? Or is it, to them, just another holy book that gets their "respect" (or lip service)?

[megaman]

8 minutes ago, Rashīd al-Hanafī said:

I had heard once that Baha'is believe in the Qur'ān. Is that true? Or is it, to them, just another holy book that gets their "respect" (or lip service)?

Hi Rashid, Baha'is believe the Quran to be the Word of God but we follow the laws of Aqdas, the Holy Book of Baha'u'llah.

Similar to how Moses brought the laws of God and Jesus did after him.