Where can I read the shia version of Adam and Eve's story?

[yusur317]

Hope you're all doing well. 

I tried to find the shia version of adam and eve's story but so far without any success. I could only find arguements/debates regarding his infallibilty (helped a little). So I'm here to ask if any of you have come across any online sources or pdf files that I could perhaps access and read? 

Thanks for reading and hope you can help 

Jazakum Allah kheiran

[certainclarity]

 

Salam

http://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol-1-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/merits-adam-and-hawwa

[ibn_Ibrahim]

4 hours ago, yusur317 said:

Hope you're all doing well. 

I tried to find the shia version of adam and eve's story but so far without any success. I could only find arguements/debates regarding his infallibilty (helped a little). So I'm here to ask if any of you have come across any online sources or pdf files that I could perhaps access and read? 

Thanks for reading and hope you can help 

Jazakum Allah kheiran

How about what Imam Ja'far al Sadiq a.s said regarding Adam and Eve?

 

[yusur317]

On 10/05/2016 at 10:33 PM, certainclarity said:

 

Salam

http://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol-1-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/merits-adam-and-hawwa

Salam, 

thank you for sharing this link. However, is this a reliable account? It upset me quite a bit. To begin with, the description of hawaa's creation was a little odd. It's actually very different to the way it was described to me as a child. Hawaa and adam were created from the same soil, but hawaa wasn't created from adam. Not only this, the creation of adam and sequence of events before his creation threw me off too. Also the story that follows hawaa's creation is strange too. 

"When Adam was asleep, the Almighty created a new being and placed her between the feet of Adam so that women remain obedient to men." 

Might be the "feminism" speaking, but I thought Islam rose the status of woman? This makes it sound as though we were created solely to obey men, for men. 

"Adam called Hawwa’ towards him but the Almighty told Adam to get up himself and go towards Hawwa’. So Adam arose and moved towards Hawwa’. If this had not been so women would have required to come as suitors to men. This was the account of Hawwa’. "

Khadija was the one who asked the prophet (pbuh) to marry her. So this point is a bit... pointless? 

Still, I thought to myself "God is All Knowing. There might be greater meaning behind all of this that my limited understanding cannot comprehend." So I continued to read. The more I read, the more it seemed as though I was reading a fantasy novel. Something you'd watch in a movie. Not only this, but God started to feel human. God speaks, God justifies (debating), God enquires. Perhaps I'm looking at this from the wrong angle? Still, it raises many questions. Angels do not sin nor hold any "evil" in them. Yet there's a point they're described as short tempered, Gabriel and mika'eel did not execute God's command and angels were punished too. Also, it says there are 3 fathers: adam, jann and satan. I thought satan was just a word used to describe all evil- not a physical being (something with an independent will/thought)? 

Perhaps, if I read through the entire article I may understand things better. I will soon inshallah. 

Again, thanks for sharing I learnt a lot! 

[yusur317]

On 11/05/2016 at 3:07 AM, ibn_Ibrahim said:

How about what Imam Ja'far al Sadiq a.s said regarding Adam and Eve?

 

Salam 

Many thanks for sharing this clip! I do enjoy watching MVs. Although it does say who this is narrated through, I was wondering if you were aware of the source the creator of this clip used? It is a little similar to the article the brother certainclarity shared, but even there sources weren't referenced much (very little actually). So I'd be gratful if one can be provided so I can analyse and read reviews regarding the narrator and/or book. 

Again, many thanks. I learnt a lot here too! 

jazaka Allah kheiran

 

[certainclarity]

4 hours ago, yusur317 said:

Salam, 

thank you for sharing this link. However, is this a reliable account? It upset me quite a bit. To begin with, the description of hawaa's creation was a little odd. It's actually very different to the way it was described to me as a child. Hawaa and adam were created from the same soil, but hawaa wasn't created from adam. Not only this, the creation of adam and sequence of events before his creation threw me off too. Also the story that follows hawaa's creation is strange too. 

"When Adam was asleep, the Almighty created a new being and placed her between the feet of Adam so that women remain obedient to men." 

Might be the "feminism" speaking, but I thought Islam rose the status of woman? This makes it sound as though we were created solely to obey men, for men. 

"Adam called Hawwa’ towards him but the Almighty told Adam to get up himself and go towards Hawwa’. So Adam arose and moved towards Hawwa’. If this had not been so women would have required to come as suitors to men. This was the account of Hawwa’. "

Khadija was the one who asked the prophet (pbuh) to marry her. So this point is a bit... pointless? 

Still, I thought to myself "God is All Knowing. There might be greater meaning behind all of this that my limited understanding cannot comprehend." So I continued to read. The more I read, the more it seemed as though I was reading a fantasy novel. Something you'd watch in a movie. Not only this, but God started to feel human. God speaks, God justifies (debating), God enquires. Perhaps I'm looking at this from the wrong angle? Still, it raises many questions. Angels do not sin nor hold any "evil" in them. Yet there's a point they're described as short tempered, Gabriel and mika'eel did not execute God's command and angels were punished too. Also, it says there are 3 fathers: adam, jann and satan. I thought satan was just a word used to describe all evil- not a physical being (something with an independent will/thought)? 

Perhaps, if I read through the entire article I may understand things better. I will soon inshallah. 

Again, thanks for sharing I learnt a lot! 

Salam ,

I don't know about the first account but the second account is a general rule of thumb.

One of the reasons men have to give Mahr and take care of women is this.

Because Adam wanted Eve first not the other way round.

Allah taught Adam if you want something get up and go get it, don't ask my kaneez ( hawa) to come towards you. Imagine men were lazy from day one !

Also Lady khadija did not approach prophet Mohammad directly but thru her maid.This is better for a Muslim women's dignity in general, although there are always exceptional cases.

[narsis]

Bismillah.

Salaam.

Prophet Ādam (a) according to religious reports, has been the first man on earth and the father of all human beings. God breathed of His spirit in Adam's body, then praised Himself for creating Adam. Then, angels were ordered to prostrate on Adam. Adam's wife was Eve and they were banished from paradise due to eating a forbidden fruit. Prophet Adam (a) was the first viceroy of God on earth and the first messenger of God. His creations, breathing of God in his body, prostration of angels to him, his infallibility and his coming on earth are theological and traditional discussions.

The word "Adam" is adopted from Hebrew, but its original root in Hebrew is unknown. Its feminine form is "Adama" which in Hebrew means "soil".

In ancient Arabic of the south, the root of the word "Adam" means "servant" and "slave".

In Arabic, the root of the word "Adam" has a broader sense, ranging from its derivations such as "Udma" meaning a means of mixture, "Adma" for camel, whiteness and blackness in the eyes and tan color in human beings.

Cause of Naming:

About the cause of naming the father of human beings as Adam, al-Azhari reports from al-Zajjaj that derivation of the word is from "Adīm al-arḍ" (surface of the earth) since a human being is created from soil. Raghib Isfahani gives more details and mentions four reasons for it:

• The body of Adam is made of the surface of the earth.

• His skin color is tan.

• His body is made up of mixing different elements and forces ('Udma meaning "association and mixing").

• He is fragrant with Divine breath (Idām: meaning what makes food fragrant).

Adam in Islam:

Adam and his creation are two very important issues in Islam. In Islamic view, Adam is the first prophet and when Muslims want to mark the beginning or end of prophethood, they say "from Adam to the Seal of prophethood". What is mentioned about Adam in the commentaries of the holy Qur'an, historical and literary books are all based on Quranic verses. In the holy Qur'an, the name of Adam has been mentioned 25 times, but the details of his creation have been mentioned in Suras like: Al-Baqara, Al-A'raf, Al-Hijr, Al-Isra', Taha, Sād.

Adam in the holy Qur'an:

Exegetes have adopted many points from Quranic verses and have raised different questions. Some important issues in this regard are as following:

Viceroy of God:

About the meaning of the word "viceroy" (khalīfa) in the verse where God says, "Indeed I am going to set a viceroy on the earth" (2:30), exegetes have different opinions, while most of them believe that Adam was the viceroy of God on the earth. Different narrations are mentioned in this regard, but the final word of the exegetes would be the vicegerency of God.

Dialogue between God and Angels about Adam:

In the dialogue between God and angels about creation of Adam, the following statement is quoted from angels towards God, "Will You set in it someone who will cause corruption in it, and shed blood…?" (2:30) How did angels know that human beings would be inflicted with these two vices? In this regard, exegetes have mentioned different narrations which cannot lead to more than one or two points.

Al-Tabari mentioned many traditions and classified them as below:

• Some have said that before human beings, Jinns had been on earth and caused corruption in it. Therefore, angels deduced the fate of human beings from them.

• Some have said that God told angels, "I am going to set a viceroy on the earth" (2:30) and then angels said, how would it be? He said that it will cause corruption and bloodshed in it. So, they said, "why do you create him?" He said, "In the nature of human beings, I have put many good things, you do not know about."

• Some have said that before creation of human being, God gave the angels some information about him and hid some other information and angels asked that question based on the information they had.

In this regards, al-Tabrisi mentions three opinions:

• Before people, Jinns were on earth and they caused corruption in it, and caused bloodshed. Angels made a deduction based on their acts.

• Angels just asked it, seeking to understand that, "O God, would human beings cause corruption and bloodshed or not?

• God Himself had told them that human beings would do so, but concealed their advantages from angels so that they achieve a deeper certitude for the wisdom and knowledge of God.

God's breathing of Spirit in the Body of Adam:

In sura al-Hijr and Sād, God says, "…and breathed upon him of My spirit." (38:72) Also, elsewhere (about Adam and Jesus) the word "spirit" is attributed to God. Regarding the meaning of attribution of "spirit" to God, exegetes believe that "breathing" which is "to flow wind in something" here means "to give life to Adam through giving him spirit." Attribution of spirit to God is for honoring human beings. God, the Glorious, has attributed the spirit of man to Himself out of honoring and glorification so the meaning of the verse is that God created the human spirit which belongs to the body, not blowing something like air into his body.

Prostration of Angels to Adam:

According to the Quranic verses, angels prostrated to Adam. This prostration, knowing the fact that all Muslims agree that worshiping belongs to God and any bending or prostration for worshiping other than God is disbelief and an act of polytheism, has not been a prostration for worshiping but it has meant both honor and praise.

Adam and Eve:

In the story of Adam, the name of his wife, Eve, has been mentioned for several times. Three times in the holy Qur'an, men have been addressed that "you have been created from one soul and Adam's wife is created from it" (4:1)/ (7:189)/ (39:6).

Forbidden Tree:

In the story of Adam, it has been said that God made all things edible in paradise as Halal (permissible) for him and forbade him from eating or approaching only one tree. Tabari has narrated many hadiths from Ibn Abbas, Abu Malik, Abu 'Atiyya, Qatada and others that it was wheat. In another hadith, it is mentioned that it was grapevine or fig tree. In addition to wheat, grapes and fig, al-Tusi has mentioned a hadith from Imam Ali (a) that this tree was camphor.

Infallibility of Prophet Adam (a):

The story of creation of Adam has to do with the issue of infallibility of prophets. Based on Muslims' beliefs, since prophets are deliverers of the message of God to people and deal with all religious and worldly affairs of people and thus they have to be infallible from any sins.

However, in the story of creation of Adam and his life, there are verses that need to be studied with regards to infallibility. Verses such as,

• "Satan caused them to stumble from it" (2:36)

• "Thus he brought about their fall by deception." (7:22), "They said: Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. Lord, we did injustice to ourselves" (7:23)

• "Satan tempted him." (20:120) "Adam disobeyed his Lord, and went amiss." (20:121)

• …

The short and simple answer exegetes have given about the agreement of these verses with infallibility of prophets is that upon committing this mistake, Adam was not in "Dar al-Taklif" ("abode of responsibility") or he was not in the position of a prophet yet, or that whatever he did was abandoning the priority (Tark al-'Awla) rather than committing sins.

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Prophet_Adam_%28a%29

With Duas.

Narsis.

[ibn_Ibrahim]

18 hours ago, yusur317 said:

Salam 

Many thanks for sharing this clip! I do enjoy watching MVs. Although it does say who this is narrated through, I was wondering if you were aware of the source the creator of this clip used? It is a little similar to the article the brother certainclarity shared, but even there sources weren't referenced much (very little actually). So I'd be gratful if one can be provided so I can analyse and read reviews regarding the narrator and/or book. 

Again, many thanks. I learnt a lot here too! 

jazaka Allah kheiran

 

Salam

As for the source and narrator of the manuscript, you would need to contact the brother who presented the information 

As far as I know, the esteemed brother (Abdullah Hashem) is the first to present the information from that particular manuscript in English.

 

Edited May 12, 2016 by ibn_Ibrahim

[yusur317]

On 10/05/2016 at 10:33 PM, certainclarity said:

 

Salam

http://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol-1-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/merits-adam-and-hawwa

Salam again, 

So I've read through most of it, until they started explaining the reasons for different wajibaats. I stopped reading further because currently I'm only interested in Adam and Eve's story. The source contradicts itself in many parts. In each it says the hadith comes from an authentic source but doesn't provide a reference. So it confuses me very much. For example, in the beginning it says hawaa was created from adam's rib, then later it says she was created from the "left over" soil (the latter being similar to what I had been taught). Another example, it says hawaa was created at adam's feet implying women are created for men (to serve them?), but elsewhere it says she was beside him (his head) describing her as his equal. In the first account adam's desire for hawaa is potrayed somewhat desparate almost lustful (he saw her and *really* wanted her) and in the other it's innocent (he dreamt about her and was curious). My question to you is, have you read through this article yourself? If so, what were your thoughts? I don't know which version of the many it describes I should accept and which I should reject. 

Thank you for reading =D 

[yusur317]

On 12/05/2016 at 6:42 PM, narsis said:

Bismillah.

Salam narsis 

hope you are well. I love the posts you share! They're always very informative and help clarify many things. I love the section regarding the names. It adds to things the article brother clarity had suggested. I also don't remember reading about how the angels or the earth came to know of mankind's corruption before God had created us in the article. However, I always assumed there were creations similar in appearance that lived before us who shed blood and caused corruption. So the angels just put two and two together. I always explained evolution to myself this way. I guess there's more to it and I'll have to do some more reading. But in the link brother clarity provided, it is said that before God had given adam a spirit, his body lay there for 120 years. These aren't necessarily earthly years- it didn't specify. So perhaps this somehow covers the evolutionary process of humans? I clearly need to continue researching.

I'm just trying to understand religion better. People focus so much on the after or the detail (sharia), they forget to paint the whole picture. Detail blinds you. I'm hoping to create a complete picture, starting with the beginning- Adam. I'm curious, but this also helps clarify many things. I will hopefully rid myself of many things that hold a potential to weaken my faith in God. But I think in order for me to do that, I will have to strengthen my arabic. Most sources I found were in arabic. Unfortunately, my arabic literacy is much weaker than my english. 

But thank you all for helping me =D I hope others can continue sharing sources too. 

jazakum Allah kheiran! =D 

 

Edited May 14, 2016 by yusur317
deleted the reply post copy as it took up a lot of space :)

[narsis]

2 hours ago, yusur317 said:

Salam narsis 

hope you are well. I love the posts you share! They're always very informative and help clarify many things. I love the section regarding the names. It adds to things the article brother clarity had suggested. I also don't remember reading about how the angels or the earth came to know of mankind's corruption before God had created us in the article. However, I always assumed there were creations similar in appearance that lived before us who shed blood and caused corruption. So the angels just put two and two together. I always explained evolution to myself this way. I guess there's more to it and I'll have to do some more reading. But in the link brother clarity provided, it is said that before God had given adam a spirit, his body lay there for 120 years. These aren't necessarily earthly years- it didn't specify. So perhaps this somehow covers the evolutionary process of humans? I clearly need to continue researching.

I'm just trying to understand religion better. People focus so much on the after or the detail (sharia), they forget to paint the whole picture. Detail blinds you. I'm hoping to create a complete picture, starting with the beginning- Adam. I'm curious, but this also helps clarify many things. I will hopefully rid myself of many things that hold a potential to weaken my faith in God. But I think in order for me to do that, I will have to strengthen my arabic. Most sources I found were in arabic. Unfortunately, my arabic literacy is much weaker than my english. 

But thank you all for helping me =D I hope others can continue sharing sources too. 

jazakum Allah kheiran! =D 

 

Bismillah.

Salaam sister.

Firstly, I have to thank you for your kind words.

Secondly, a point came to my mind when I was reading your post that I like to share it with you:

It is very emphasized upon to seek knowledge. We, as Muslims, are ordered by the Qur'an and narrations to use our intellect and God-given potentials to increase our knowledge. But I think we have to give priority to the branches of knowledge that we are going to study. You admit that historical issues are not hundred percent certain because those are not subject to experiment and there is not many ways to confirm such information and also many knowledge pertaining history may not be so beneficial for us; for example many people ask me about the name of mother of some prophets; I tell them it may has been recorded but I've never sought such information because it won't benefit me in my religious path, nor my community.

So, I say that there are two sorts of knowledge; the first is those that are merely informative and there is no effect beyond that and the second are those related to the core of religion; regarding theology or jurisprudence; the second ones are much more beneficial for man and society and I think this second sort deserves to have our golden limited time and attention.

With Duas.

Narsis.

[certainclarity]

3 hours ago, yusur317 said:

Salam again, 

So I've read through most of it, until they started explaining the reasons for different wajibaats. I stopped reading further because currently I'm only interested in Adam and Eve's story. The source contradicts itself in many parts. In each it says the hadith comes from an authentic source but doesn't provide a reference. So it confuses me very much. For example, in the beginning it says hawaa was created from adam's rib, then later it says she was created from the "left over" soil (the latter being similar to what I had been taught). Another example, it says hawaa was created at adam's feet implying women are created for men (to serve them?), but elsewhere it says she was beside him (his head) describing her as his equal. In the first account adam's desire for hawaa is potrayed somewhat desparate almost lustful (he saw her and *really* wanted her) and in the other it's innocent (he dreamt about her and was curious). My question to you is, have you read through this article yourself? If so, what were your thoughts? I don't know which version of the many it describes I should accept and which I should reject. 

Thank you for reading =D 

Salam,

Yes, I  read it.Sorry I had to warn you not all the hadiths are correct in that link. It has some hadiths that contradict and some maybe true , some not .Eventually most of these hadiths have to be refered to the Quran .

It was the only link at that moment I found. But there are other links also , and probably there will be some truth in each, and some false.But the link I shared is widely used on SC.

I actually recalled a link now,which I had read and prefered.Here is another one:

http://sacred-texts.com/isl/pro/adam01.htm

 

But From what I have learnt Hawaa was made from the same soil after Adam was made.Not taken from Adam after he was made from clay.

" From Al-'Ayyashi from Amr ben Abi Miqdâm from his father that he said: I asked Aba Jafar Al-Bâqir (PUH) from what thing did God made Eve (PUH)? he said (Al-Bâqir PUH):

and what thing do they say about this creation? I said: they say from one of Adam's (PUH) ribs, then he said (PUH): they lied. Is God unable to create her except out of Adam's rib?

Then I said: O may I be a ransom to you son of the prophet of God, of what thing did God create her?

He said (PUH): my father told me from his fathers that the prophet of God (PUH) said:

God, may praise be to Him, held a clay and mixed it with his right hand, and both of His hands are right, so He created out of it Adam and part of it was left untouched so He created Eve out of it "

 

Regarding the Hadith about almost being lustful. It is not correct. He took a liking to someone who was a human like him, as they were no other humans then. 

If I am not mistaken it says in the Quran- shahwah ( strong desire ) was given to him after he took a liking to her, and shahwah was casted upon him later.But his intial liking was based on his nafs . ( the metaphysical part of us that wants, wishes, and chooses, that shape our personality .)

But I agree with brother narsis .

Al-Kafi:

-Imam Sadiq (a.s.) who said, ‘I have found all the knowledge of people in four categories: 

1-The knowledge that would teach you about your Lord. 

2-The knowledge that would teach you what the Lord has done for you. 

3-The knowledge that would teach you what the Lord wants from you. 

4-The knowledge that would teach you what destroys your religion.’"

( H 134, Ch. 16, h 11 Al-Kafi)

[Don'tMakeAس]

You might want to try reading the Tafsir al-Mizan section of the early Sura Baqarah verses regarding the creation of Adam and Hawwa.

http://www.almizan.org/