Aisha and The prophet

Alzaynebia313 · May 5, 2016

I accidentally posted the same exact thing twice (whoops) so how do I delete it?

Again I'm new to the site so I apologise.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Alzaynebia313

Alzaynebia313 · May 5, 2016

(Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women)

-Surat Al-Noor

The prophet knew who the hypocrites were among his suhaba and I'm assuming he would know what Aisha would do to the Imam Ali after the prophets death, so why not call her out? I know why he didn't call out the suhaba but his wife is a different matter because Allah mentioned the propehts wives repeatedly in quranic verses saying they are the mothers of believers,

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Alzaynebia313 · May 5, 2016

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Faruk · May 5, 2016

Salam,

As a Shia muslim I must admit that the attitude of Imam Ali a.s. was gentle towards Aisha as he a.s. let her brother accompany her to Medina after the Battle of the Camel.

If Imam Ali a.s. would have the same stance as her father in the Ridda wars for example she probably would have been punished like her father punished all opposition.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Faruk

**ShiaMan14** · May 5, 2016

32 minutes ago, Alzaynebia313 said:

(Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women)

-Surat Al-Noor

The prophet knew who the hypocrites were among his suhaba and I'm assuming he would know what Aisha would do to the Imam Ali after the prophets death, so why not call her out? I know why he didn't call out the suhaba but his wife is a different matter because Allah mentioned the propehts wives repeatedly in quranic verses saying they are the mothers of believers,

Islamically speaking the Prophet nor anyone for that matter including can punish someone before an unlawful act has been committed. The Prophet's marriage to Aisha was for political reasons.

sharinganMahdi · May 5, 2016

18 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Islamically speaking the Prophet nor anyone for that matter including can punish someone before an unlawful act has been committed. The Prophet's marriage to Aisha was for political reasons.

I sometimes get a feeling that the prophets marriage to Aisha was a test/fitnah from Allah swt

DigitalUmmah · May 5, 2016

20 minutes ago, Faruk said:

Salam,

As a Shia muslim I must admit that the attitude of Imam Ali a.s. was gentle towards Aisha as he a.s. let her brother accompany her to Medina after the Battle of the Camel.

If Imam Ali a.s. would have the same stance as her father in the Ridda wars for example she probably would have been punished like her father punished all opposition.

different time, different situation.

ammi jaan aisha was a filthy baghi - a rebel against the rightful caliph of her time. this is not up for debate. a baghi is so najis that it is forbidden for the muslims to even do their janaza.

sunni and batri shia plead that she made a mistake, was manipulated etc...but this is rubbish.

its not a mistake to stir up an entire army, and then personally lead it towards a battlefield, and then give a speech so impassioned that lots of soldiers on Imam ali (as) side defected to siratul fasiqeen, and then encourage her army to kill the muslims by waving a shirt around over her head like a lunatic.

dimwitted shia see imam ali (as) treatment of her as in some way validating her respectability and use it as an excuse to love her. love for the enemies of Maula Ali (as) comes naturally to the batri shia

in truth - look at the wider context. if she was put to death as she deserved, what would that do to the muawiyyah supporters at the time? would it have placated them? would it have calmed them down and brought peace? would there have been no reprecussions for the death of their "ummul momineen"?

Faruk · May 5, 2016

There is no proof Imam Ali a.s. disrespected her or lowered her status. He a.s. just left her to Allah.

If you can prove he a.s. did otherwise only then we can talk. But untill then I follow his footsteps as I know them.

The rest is all speculative.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Faruk

Faruk · May 5, 2016

1 hour ago, shiaman14 said:

Islamically speaking the Prophet nor anyone for that matter including can punish someone before an unlawful act has been committed.

Yes brother but that did not happen after the Battle of the Camel while it appeared that Aisha made a grave mistake.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Faruk

DigitalUmmah · May 5, 2016

8 minutes ago, Faruk said:

There is no proof Imam Ali a.s. disrespected her or lowered her status. He a.s. just left her to Allah.

If you can prove he a.s. did otherwise only then we can talk. But untill then I follow his footsteps as I know it.

http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-156-whoever-can-time-keep-himself

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As regards a certain woman, she is in the grip of womanly views, and malice is boiling in her bosom like the furnace of the blacksmith. If she were called upon to deal with others as she is dealing with me she would not have done it. (As for me), even hereafter she will be allowed her original respect, while the reckoning (of her misdeeds) is an obligation on Allah.

is imam Ali (as) openly calling her a nasibi your idea of respect?

the holy prophet (pbuh) forgave the despicable woman who ate the liver of his own uncle at the conquest of mecca, does this mean that the prophet (pbuh) showed her respect so we must to?

DigitalUmmah · May 5, 2016

8 minutes ago, Faruk said:

Yes brother but that did not happen after the Battle of the Camel while it appeared that Aisha made a grave mistake.

what mistake would that be?

**ShiaMan14** · May 5, 2016

1 hour ago, Faruk said:

Yes brother but that did not happen after the Battle of the Camel while it appeared that Aisha made a grave mistake.

There were several 'mistakes' by her and Surah 66:1-5 is ample proof of that.

Sirius_Bright · May 5, 2016

56 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

what mistake would that be?

Aisha made 'grave' mistakes throughout her life.

**iraqi_shia** · May 5, 2016

2 hours ago, Alzaynebia313 said:

(Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women)

-Surat Al-Noor

The prophet knew who the hypocrites were among his suhaba and I'm assuming he would know what Aisha would do to the Imam Ali after the prophets death, so why not call her out? I know why he didn't call out the suhaba but his wife is a different matter because Allah mentioned the propehts wives repeatedly in quranic verses saying they are the mothers of believers,

Firstly in the Quran it says the Prophet SAW did now know who the hypocrites around him were.

Secondly, most of their openly bad behavior happened after the Prophet's SAW death.

Alzaynebia313 · May 5, 2016

On 5/5/2016 at 11:33 AM, Alzaynebia313 said:

(Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women)

-Surat Al-Noor

The prophet knew who the hypocrites were among his suhaba and I'm assuming he would know what Aisha would do to the Imam Ali after the prophets death, so why not call her out? I know why he didn't call out the suhaba but his wife is a different matter because Allah mentioned the propehts wives repeatedly in quranic verses saying they are the mothers of believers,

I honestly have no idea how to use this site lol. But like I was saying (and it got deleted) the quran repeatly mentioned them and Allah granted them higher statuses because of who they are. As a shia Muslim I'm genuinely confused about this and I know what Aisha has done, but how would a sunni know? They would obviously think they are following what Allah has said which is why we really can't blame them when they refer to Aisha as Umal Mu'mnin since it does say that in the quran.

Sirius_Bright · May 5, 2016

On 5/5/2016 at 2:14 PM, Alzaynebia313 said:

I honestly have no idea how to use this site lol. But like I was saying (and it got deleted) the quran repeatly mentioned them and Allah granted them higher statuses because of who they are. As a shia Muslim I'm genuinely confused about this and I know what Aisha has done, but how would a sunni know? They would obviously think they are following what Allah has said which is why we really can't blame them when they refer to Aisha as Umal Mu'mnin since it does say that in the quran.

If one carefully observes the quranic verses and ahadith of their own "sahih" it would be enough to know how this women has oppressed Holy Prophet (sawa) and his Ahlulbait (ams).

One who is in search of truth and wants to be guided then Allah (swt) helps. We have ample of examples in history. Like Tejani as-samavi, ahle sunni scholar Ayyashi, etc.

Quiet one · May 7, 2016

The prophet Noah had a bad wife

the prophet lot had bad wife

muhammed is no different he also had bad wives

aisha rebelled against imam Ali

imam Ali was beloved by prophet muhammed more than Aisha and Aisha knew this so she rebelled against Ali

it is all jealousy

Paradox · May 7, 2016

Yes she did under the banner ya li thaarat Othman. Imam Ali (AS) banner was ya Mohamed ya Mansour. Aisha fought against the prophet(sawa) that day. A women that brings other men to fight her own brother for a stranger.

New membr · May 7, 2016

On 05/05/2016 at 9:19 PM, sharinganMahdi said:

I sometimes get a feeling that the prophets marriage to Aisha was a test/fitnah from Allah swt

Salam, aisha was fitnah by herself not from Allah (swt), yes this marriage was definitely a test from Allah but you cannot say that it was fitnah from Allah (swt), i think you have made a typing mistake, am i correct brother?

Edited May 7, 2016 by New membr

sharinganMahdi · May 7, 2016

5 hours ago, New membr said:

Salam, aisha was fitnah by herself not from Allah (swt), yes this marriage was definitely a test from Allah but you cannot say that it was fitnah from Allah (swt), i think you have made a typing mistake, am i correct brother?

wsalam and no bro it is not a typing mistake , and I understand what you are saying Aisha in herself was a fitnah , but Allah swt tests his prophets and messengers so hence why I believe Allah swt instructed rasoolallah (sawa) to marry her , and rasoolallah (sawa) doesn't do a single thing without Allah swt instructing him to do it

New membr · May 8, 2016

17 hours ago, sharinganMahdi said:

wsalam and no bro it is not a typing mistake , and I understand what you are saying Aisha in herself was a fitnah , but Allah swt tests his prophets and messengers so hence why I believe Allah swt instructed rasoolallah (sawa) to marry her , and rasoolallah (sawa) doesn't do a single thing without Allah swt instructing him to do it

Yes brother, your absolutely correct that Allah (swt) tests His Messengers(a.s), i am not against your saying that this marriage was a test but what i mean is that you are also saying that its a fitnah from Allah, calling a fitnah from Allah is a great sin. Test and fitnah are two different things, test is from Allah but fitnah is never from Allah

Edited May 8, 2016 by New membr

sharinganMahdi · May 8, 2016

3 hours ago, New membr said:

Yes brother, your absolutely correct that Allah (swt) tests His Messengers(a.s), i am not against your saying that this marriage was a test but what i mean is that you are also saying that its a fitnah from Allah, calling a fitnah from Allah is a great sin. Test and fitnah are two different things, test is from Allah but fitnah is never from Allah

maybe my wording was wrong bro yes I meant she was a test from Allah swt thank you for correcting me jazakhallah khair

**Panzerwaffe** · May 8, 2016

Nobody has the guts to say the obvious talha wanted to marry aisha Even when prophet was alive and 20 yrs later this pretender queen aisha and her king talha make a bid for the throne togather !!! And we are to believe nothing happened it was all platonic

...lucky she wasn't stoned to death

Alzaynebia313 · May 8, 2016

1 hour ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Nobody has the guts to say the obvious talha wanted to marry aisha Even when prophet was alive and 20 yrs later this pretender queen aisha and her king talha make a bid for the throne togather !!! And we are to believe nothing happened it was all platonic

...lucky she wasn't stoned to death

You can't make a statement like that without evidence brother. No matter what she did she still at one point or another was the prophets wife therefore respect her only for the sake of the prophet. Also Imam Ali respected her even though she oppressed him so who are we to curse her and make assumptions about her?

Do you have any rowaia or hadith that backs up your statement above?

**Panzerwaffe** · May 8, 2016

1 hour ago, Alzaynebia313 said:

You can't make a statement like that without evidence brother. No matter what she did she still at one point or another was the prophets wife therefore respect her only for the sake of the prophet. Also Imam Ali respected her even though she oppressed him so who are we to curse her and make assumptions about her?

Do you have any rowaia or hadith that backs up your statement above?

No have tradition to say conclusively that hinds African slave became muslim to save his neck otherwise prophet wud have surely killed him for killing Hamza ...yet the evidence is circumstancial

Note zubayr left Jamal fighting he probably realized he was a third wheel or Kabab may Haddee as we say in urdu and Ali was more related to zubayr than any of the other

Ali was a honorable man he wudnt let the prestige of his cousins wife be the laughing stock of the community m....it's pretty obvious

Edited May 8, 2016 by Panzerwaffe

Faruk · May 8, 2016

3 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Nobody has the guts to say the obvious talha wanted to marry aisha Even when prophet was alive and 20 yrs later this pretender queen aisha and her king talha make a bid for the throne togather !!! And we are to believe nothing happened it was all platonic

...lucky she wasn't stoned to death

Don't say this in Saudi Arabia bro' or you will be stoned to death ...

However,

The only thing I find strange is that Imam Ali a.s. was only found guilty of killing Uthman after hearing that Talha was not her new caliph.

Do you know why the title Mother of the Believers was given? Was Talha involved in this incident?

Paradox · May 8, 2016

For the Arabic speakers check this and let me know if you still think Imam Ali(AS) respected Aisha.

http://arabic.balaghah.net/content/الإمام-علي-عليه-السلام-والرأي-الاخرمع-الناكثين

**Panzerwaffe** · May 8, 2016

3 hours ago, Faruk said:

Don't say this in Saudi Arabia bro' or you will be stoned to death ...

However,

The only thing I find strange is that Imam Ali a.s. was only found guilty of killing Uthman after hearing that Talha was not her new caliph.

Do you know why the title Mother of the Believers was given? Was Talha involved in this incident?

Thanks bro but not going to saudi in this lifetime until hajj only

yes talha was lusting after aisha that's why ...

yeah madelung has said that in his book too but realistically talha did not have the power base to ever be seriously considered for a caliph saad b abiwaqqas and zubayr had better chances plus talha despite his exploit's in uhad was a secondary sahabi junior to the other heavy weights and he was not very likable

Faruk · May 8, 2016

But he was one of the six of the Shura of Umar. Why was he made a candidate by Umar?

(patience) · May 8, 2016

^^^alas, real faith (mumineen)!

Who was Muhammad bin Abu bakr & what was that non mahram doing in Ali r.a affairs? :censored:

**Panzerwaffe** · May 9, 2016

6 hours ago, Faruk said:

But he was one of the six of the Shura of Umar. Why was he made a candidate by Umar?

Probably because of his relationship to abu bakr

umars biggest mistake was not choosing atleast 2 Shura members who were from ansar

Faruk · May 9, 2016

But then he would overrule the Sunna of the first caliph. The leader must be from Quraish.

Paradox · May 9, 2016

On 8 May 2016 at 11:50 PM, (patience) said:

^^^alas, real faith (mumineen)!

Who was Muhammad bin Abu bakr & what was that non mahram doing in Ali r.a affairs?

He was the one who gave bay3ah to Ali(as) to distantiate himself from his own father and his actions. He is also the one who was fought by his own sister who was fighting for the revenge of another man.

(patience) · May 10, 2016

On 05/09/2016 at 4:08 AM, Paradox said:

He was the one who gave bay3ah to Ali(as) to distantiate himself from his own father and his actions. He is also the one who was fought by his own sister who was fighting for the [revenge of another man.]!!?

And that another man was too son-in-law of Prophet s.a.w, and that woman's son-in-law too. To whom Prophet s.a.w trusted and gives his two daughters in marriage with His (divine knowledge).

Paradox · May 11, 2016

On 8 May 2016 at 11:50 PM, (patience) said:

^^^alas, real faith (mumineen)!

Who was Muhammad bin Abu bakr & what was that non mahram doing in Ali r.a affairs?

He was the one who gave bay3ah to Ali(as) to distantiate himself from his own father and his actions. He is also the one who was fought by his own sister who was fighting for the revenge of another man.

2 hours ago, (patience) said:

And that another man was too son-in-law of Prophet s.a.w, and that woman's son-in-law too. To whom Prophet s.a.w trusted and gives his two daughters in marriage with His (divine knowledge).

The same divine knowledge that made the prophet Lot ( pbuh ) offer his daughters to homosexuals.

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