Are there some scholars and marjas against "wilayat faqi" ?

[Mohammadi_follower 1,494]

salam aleykoum

Are there some scholars and marjas against "wilayat faqi" ?

[sharinganMahdi 979]

yes their are quite a few that disagree with the system of wilaytul faqih , such as sayed sadiq shirazi , and many other scholars from the shirazi lineage , also sayed ammar nakhshwani disagrees  with it but in a more neutral way and I also think sheikh usama al atar and sayed mahdi moddressi disagree with it as well , their are many more maybe other members can name them , may peace and blessings be with you

[celestial 459]

Some?

There are many scholars and marjas who oppose wilayat-e faqeh.

Edited May 1, 2016 by celestial

[Mohammadi_follower 1,494]

1 hour ago, celestial said:

Some?

There are many scholars and marjas who oppose wilayat-e faqeh.

For exemple ?

[Sumerian 6,059]

Some members tend to confuse opposing Wilayat al-Faqih with scholars disagreeing about the power in the hands of the Faqih.

A better question would be "which scholars oppose Wilayat al-Faqih al-Mutlaqa?".

[Golden-crowned 430]

one of most famous scholars against wilayat faghih was Mohammad Kazem Shariatmadari 

 

 

also Abu al-Qasim al-Khoei

 

Hussein-Ali Montazeri

 

Hassan Tabatabaei Qomi

Mousa Shubairi Zanjani

 

Sayyid Sadeq Rohani

 

Sadiq Hussaini Shirazi

[Golden-crowned 430]

you should know that many of Iranian scholars refuse to discuss about wilayat faghih

some of them  talked against it in private meetings and then they were arrested 

like Mohammad Reza Nekoonam and Majid Jafar Tabar

[celestial 459]

Ok, I know many people won't like this post but it's relevant. Some of these scholars may not be completely against the WF, but all of them had issues with that system.

1. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari. He was accused of being part of a coup against Ayatollah Khomeini, and he was prisoned and placed under house arrest. Ultimately he got very sick and had no access to medical treatment, which led to his death and his burial was done in the most degrading condition possible.
2. Grand Ayatollah Ali Safayi Qomi. He was the son of Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Safayi Qomi. He was prosecuted by the special revolutionary court for clergymen, due to fragile and flimsy accusations and placed under house arrest, which led to his suspicious death.
3. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ahmad Khonsari. He was accused of being against vali Faqih (Ayatollah Khomeini) and was placed under house arrest and ultimately died in a suspicious way as well. His burial ceremony was violated by revolutionary intruders.
4. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Hassan Qomi. He was accused of being against Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest after being attacked by revolutionary mercenaries. His death have raised many questions and his burial ceremony was banned and only few people were allowed to attend.
5. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Reza Sadr. He was the brother of Sayed Moosa Sadr who was an active Shi’a political reformer in Lebanon. His crime was that he prayed on the body of late Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari, and he was placed under house arrest, which ultimately led to his death.
6. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadeq Rouhani. He was announced as an enemy of Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest.
7. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. Ayatollah Shirazi was accused of being anti Vali Faqih, which led to imprisonment of his pupils and sons. He was placed under house arrest and passed away in mysterious circumstances. During his burial ceremony revolutionary guards attacked the ceremony and high jacked the body and buried it in a different place, against the will of his family.
8. Grand Ayatollah Abbad Tassouji. His affiliation with Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari was very pricy for him. He was placed under house arrest and banned from being part of any religious and academic activity for the rest of his life.
9. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Shahab Aldeen Mara’ashi Najafi. One of the greatest scholars of Shi’a Islam. His house was attacked numerous times by revolutionary intruders and he was accused of being astray and corrupt as a Muslim. He was known for his extensive knowledge in genealogy, and he had announced that Ayatollah Khomeini’s genealogical roots were unclear and doubtful. Due to his high status and large base among the Shi’a Muslims, the Iranian regime was not able to place him under house arrest, but he was abused and harassed in numerous cases.
10. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Reza Golpaygani. Another great scholar of Shi’a Islam, who was accused of being anti Vali Faqih. His house was attacked by revolutionary intruders numerous times.
11. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Sadeqi Tehrani. He was accused of being against Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest. He was banned from all academic and religious activities and even the place, where he taught his pupils was burned down.
12. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Rasool Mosavi Tehrani. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and being affiliated with Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari. He was banned from all religious and academic activities and placed under house arrest, which led to his mysterious death.
13. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Rouhani. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest, after being attacked by revolutionary intruders. He was banned from accessing the outside world, and after his death, he was buried in his house, against his will.
14. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mahmoud Sistani. He is the brother of current Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani in Iraq. He was poisoned by the Iranian intelligence and accused of being anti Vali Faqih.
15. Grand Ayatollah Sane’ie. He has been accused of opposing the religious and political authority of the Iranian supreme leader Ali Khamenei. He was placed under house arrest, after the closure of his office and all affiliated centers.
16. Grand Ayatollah Hosein Ali Montazari. He was the second in command after Ayatollah Khomeini, and ultimately removed from his post by Khomeini. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest, and banned from all types of religious and academic activities under the reign of Ali Khamenei.
17. Grand Ayatollah Yasoob Aldeen Rastegari. He has been jailed for several years due to his affiliation with Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadri and being Anti Vali Faqih. Currently, he is under house arrest and lives in the city of Qom.
18. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadeq Shirazi. He is the younger brother of late Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. He is accused of being anti Vali faqih and many of his centers and affiliate institutions have been closed and confiscated. Recently the Iranian government have imprisoned several individuals within his close circle and label him as traitor and enemy of Islam.
19. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Tahir Shoebiri Khaqani. He was a prominent scholar in the Khozestan province in Southern Iran, who criticized the racial and arbitrary policies of the Iranian regime. He was exiled to Qom and placed under house arrest and ultimately died in mysterious circumstances.

http://www.newvisionfnd.org/religion/ayatollahs-against-tyranny/

[Mirkhalil 116]

45 minutes ago, Golden-crowned said:

you should know that many of Iranian scholars refuse to discuss about wilayat faghih

some of them  talked against it in private meetings and then they were arrested 

like Mohammad Reza Nekoonam and Majid Jafar Tabar

 

Some media claim that many Shia scholars and marjas against "wilayat faqi" and they try to introduce them as the opponents of Islamic republic of Iran. But the problem of this group is that they forgotten that they have the different principles and it isn’t related to the nature of Islamic republic of Iran.

For example, some scholars restricted the role of faqih to the administration of justice (Wilayat al-qada) and ‘hisbah’, but some others also believe that Faqih has the right to exercise governmental, juridical and economic duties.  

Another point which should be considered is that nobody of scholars was arrested for being anti wilayat faqih. If you see a few of them arrested be sure that they were complained.  

[Ali_Hussain 5,522]

5 hours ago, sharinganMahdi said:

yes their are quite a few that disagree with the system of wilaytul faqih , such as sayed sadiq shirazi , and many other scholars from the shirazi lineage , also sayed ammar nakhshwani disagrees  with it but in a more neutral way and I also think sheikh usama al atar and sayed mahdi moddressi disagree with it as well , their are many more maybe other members can name them , may peace and blessings be with you

 

 

[celestial 459]

Also in recent events regarding the revolt in Baghdad,

They were mostly Muqtada Al-Sadr supporters and they shouted anti-Iran slogans.

 

[Mohammadi_follower 1,494]

3 hours ago, Golden-crowned said:

 

Sadiq Hussaini Shirazi

I always heard that Shirazi was not against wilayat faqih but wanted a different  view of this doctrine.

But if these scholars are not agree with wilayat faqih , how they want to lead the islamic countries ?

[Last Hope 136]

I think sayed fadlullah also denies its proof from the islamic scriptures. I dont know if he personally believe in it or not though, but based on his speech's and interviews, i guess he does deny the existence of this topic in islam and reverts to other ways.

[Shiawarrior313 167]

3 minutes ago, LabaikYaHussein said:

Ok, I know many people won't like this post but it's relevant. Some of these scholars may not be completely against the WF, but all of them had issues with that system.

"O you who believe, if a fasiq comes to you with a news, verify it lest you harm a people due to ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful" (49:6)

Quoting a secular minded, anti Islamic site is deceptive. People with agenda's will say anything to achieve their goal, relying on the gullibility of their viewers to believe their lies. We Shias should be better than this.

For Shias who are against WF, they have to be able to explain how they will bring about Islam into the folds of the society and pave the way for the return of Imam Mahdi.

[Abu Nur 3,766]

5 hours ago, celestial said:

Also in recent events regarding the revolt in Baghdad,

They were mostly Muqtada Al-Sadr supporters and they shouted anti-Iran slogans.

 

Reason is that Iran do have influence towards Shi'a politics in Iraq.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Dhulfikar

[AlthaqaIayn12 8]

12 hours ago, celestial said:

Ok, I know many people won't like this post but it's relevant. Some of these scholars may not be completely against the WF, but all of them had issues with that system.

1. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari. He was accused of being part of a coup against Ayatollah Khomeini, and he was prisoned and placed under house arrest. Ultimately he got very sick and had no access to medical treatment, which led to his death and his burial was done in the most degrading condition possible.
2. Grand Ayatollah Ali Safayi Qomi. He was the son of Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Safayi Qomi. He was prosecuted by the special revolutionary court for clergymen, due to fragile and flimsy accusations and placed under house arrest, which led to his suspicious death.
3. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ahmad Khonsari. He was accused of being against vali Faqih (Ayatollah Khomeini) and was placed under house arrest and ultimately died in a suspicious way as well. His burial ceremony was violated by revolutionary intruders.
4. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Hassan Qomi. He was accused of being against Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest after being attacked by revolutionary mercenaries. His death have raised many questions and his burial ceremony was banned and only few people were allowed to attend.
5. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Reza Sadr. He was the brother of Sayed Moosa Sadr who was an active Shi’a political reformer in Lebanon. His crime was that he prayed on the body of late Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari, and he was placed under house arrest, which ultimately led to his death.
6. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadeq Rouhani. He was announced as an enemy of Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest.
7. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. Ayatollah Shirazi was accused of being anti Vali Faqih, which led to imprisonment of his pupils and sons. He was placed under house arrest and passed away in mysterious circumstances. During his burial ceremony revolutionary guards attacked the ceremony and high jacked the body and buried it in a different place, against the will of his family.
8. Grand Ayatollah Abbad Tassouji. His affiliation with Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari was very pricy for him. He was placed under house arrest and banned from being part of any religious and academic activity for the rest of his life.
9. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Shahab Aldeen Mara’ashi Najafi. One of the greatest scholars of Shi’a Islam. His house was attacked numerous times by revolutionary intruders and he was accused of being astray and corrupt as a Muslim. He was known for his extensive knowledge in genealogy, and he had announced that Ayatollah Khomeini’s genealogical roots were unclear and doubtful. Due to his high status and large base among the Shi’a Muslims, the Iranian regime was not able to place him under house arrest, but he was abused and harassed in numerous cases.
10. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Reza Golpaygani. Another great scholar of Shi’a Islam, who was accused of being anti Vali Faqih. His house was attacked by revolutionary intruders numerous times.
11. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Sadeqi Tehrani. He was accused of being against Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest. He was banned from all academic and religious activities and even the place, where he taught his pupils was burned down.
12. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Rasool Mosavi Tehrani. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and being affiliated with Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari. He was banned from all religious and academic activities and placed under house arrest, which led to his mysterious death.
13. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Rouhani. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest, after being attacked by revolutionary intruders. He was banned from accessing the outside world, and after his death, he was buried in his house, against his will.
14. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mahmoud Sistani. He is the brother of current Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani in Iraq. He was poisoned by the Iranian intelligence and accused of being anti Vali Faqih.
15. Grand Ayatollah Sane’ie. He has been accused of opposing the religious and political authority of the Iranian supreme leader Ali Khamenei. He was placed under house arrest, after the closure of his office and all affiliated centers.
16. Grand Ayatollah Hosein Ali Montazari. He was the second in command after Ayatollah Khomeini, and ultimately removed from his post by Khomeini. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest, and banned from all types of religious and academic activities under the reign of Ali Khamenei.
17. Grand Ayatollah Yasoob Aldeen Rastegari. He has been jailed for several years due to his affiliation with Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadri and being Anti Vali Faqih. Currently, he is under house arrest and lives in the city of Qom.
18. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadeq Shirazi. He is the younger brother of late Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. He is accused of being anti Vali faqih and many of his centers and affiliate institutions have been closed and confiscated. Recently the Iranian government have imprisoned several individuals within his close circle and label him as traitor and enemy of Islam.
19. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Tahir Shoebiri Khaqani. He was a prominent scholar in the Khozestan province in Southern Iran, who criticized the racial and arbitrary policies of the Iranian regime. He was exiled to Qom and placed under house arrest and ultimately died in mysterious circumstances.

http://www.newvisionfnd.org/religion/ayatollahs-against-tyranny/

1. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. Ayatollah Shirazi was accused of being anti Vali Faqih, which led to imprisonment of his pupils and sons. He was placed under house arrest and passed away in mysterious circumstances. During his burial ceremony revolutionary guards attacked the ceremony and high jacked the body and buried it in a different place, against the will of his family.

Grand Al-Shirazi created the Hukumat al-Fuqaha' principle of theocratic rule.....

>>>and you say he was anti wilayat alfaqeeh lol...I suggest viewers check his information..

Edited May 2, 2016 by AlthaqaIayn12

[sharinganMahdi 979]

7 hours ago, Ali_Hussain said:

 

 

Thank you for this , i guess i confused his opinion with him rejecting the system , he just had a different outlook to it then the way imam khomenei did , jazakhallah khair

[Sumerian 6,059]

Like I said, it seems like a lot of people are really putting out names of scholars who don't really oppose Wilayat al-Faqih. 

Sayyed Muhammad al-Shirazi actually believed in Wilayat al-Faqih, he just differed with Sayyed al-Khomeini on some issues.

 

[celestial 459]

15 hours ago, celestial said:

Ok, I know many people won't like this post but it's relevant. Some of these scholars may not be completely against the WF, but all of them had issues with that system.

 

6 hours ago, AlthaqaIayn12 said:

1. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. Ayatollah Shirazi was accused of being anti Vali Faqih, which led to imprisonment of his pupils and sons. He was placed under house arrest and passed away in mysterious circumstances. During his burial ceremony revolutionary guards attacked the ceremony and high jacked the body and buried it in a different place, against the will of his family.

Grand Al-Shirazi created the Hukumat al-Fuqaha' principle of theocratic rule.....

>>>and you say he was anti wilayat alfaqeeh lol...I suggest viewers check his information..

Please read carefully.

And also, his theory was different than khomeini's.

10 hours ago, LabaikYaHussein said:

Lol your a funny guy 

U mad bro?

Truth hurts.

10 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

"O you who believe, if a fasiq comes to you with a news, verify it lest you harm a people due to ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful" (49:6)

Quoting a secular minded, anti Islamic site is deceptive. People with agenda's will say anything to achieve their goal, relying on the gullibility of their viewers to believe their lies. We Shias should be better than this.

For Shias who are against WF, they have to be able to explain how they will bring about Islam into the folds of the society and pave the way for the return of Imam Mahdi.

Secular? Anti-Islamic?

You didn't even read the website did you?

Being anti-WF is enough for you to blame people to be irreligious.

You pro-Iran folks seriously need to wake up.

Edited May 2, 2016 by celestial

[sharinganMahdi 979]

So can we conclude that the majority of marja are not against wilyat e faqih , but that they all have a different and personal outlook to it?

[mostafaa 225]

Salam Alaykum

Shia community must be led by an Imam and when the Imam is not present the most similar one is a pious faqih. 

And how can Shias -whose idea is that Islamic community after the prophet wasn't left to stay on its own and must be led by a divine leader- think that Islamic community during the time of occultation is left to stay on its own?!!!

This is an obvious fact accepted by all scholars.

I don't how much you know Arabic but Ayt. Muhammad hassan Al-Najafi the author of the famous feqhi book Javaher Al-kalam -which is now taught in almost all of high advanced Feqhi classes - has stated as follows: 

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فمن الغريب وسوسة بعض الناس في ذلك، بل كأنه ما ذاق من طعم الفقه شيئا، و لا فهم من لحن قولهم و رموزهم أمرا، و لا تأمل المراد من قولهم إني جعلته عليكم حاكما و قاضيا و حجة و خليفة و نحو ذلك مما يظهر منه إرادة نظم زمان الغيبة لشيعتهم في كثير من الأمور الراجعة إليهم،

Those who refuses the idea of velayat Al-faqih seems like that he hasn't tasted anything from Feqh.

[mostafaa 225]

On 5/1/2016 at 9:17 PM, celestial said:

Ok, I know many people won't like this post but it's relevant. Some of these scholars may not be completely against the WF, but all of them had issues with that system.

1. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari. He was accused of being part of a coup against Ayatollah Khomeini, and he was prisoned and placed under house arrest. Ultimately he got very sick and had no access to medical treatment, which led to his death and his burial was done in the most degrading condition possible.
2. Grand Ayatollah Ali Safayi Qomi. He was the son of Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Safayi Qomi. He was prosecuted by the special revolutionary court for clergymen, due to fragile and flimsy accusations and placed under house arrest, which led to his suspicious death.
3. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ahmad Khonsari. He was accused of being against vali Faqih (Ayatollah Khomeini) and was placed under house arrest and ultimately died in a suspicious way as well. His burial ceremony was violated by revolutionary intruders.
4. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Hassan Qomi. He was accused of being against Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest after being attacked by revolutionary mercenaries. His death have raised many questions and his burial ceremony was banned and only few people were allowed to attend.
5. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Reza Sadr. He was the brother of Sayed Moosa Sadr who was an active Shi’a political reformer in Lebanon. His crime was that he prayed on the body of late Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari, and he was placed under house arrest, which ultimately led to his death.
6. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadeq Rouhani. He was announced as an enemy of Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest.
7. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. Ayatollah Shirazi was accused of being anti Vali Faqih, which led to imprisonment of his pupils and sons. He was placed under house arrest and passed away in mysterious circumstances. During his burial ceremony revolutionary guards attacked the ceremony and high jacked the body and buried it in a different place, against the will of his family.
8. Grand Ayatollah Abbad Tassouji. His affiliation with Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari was very pricy for him. He was placed under house arrest and banned from being part of any religious and academic activity for the rest of his life.
9. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Shahab Aldeen Mara’ashi Najafi. One of the greatest scholars of Shi’a Islam. His house was attacked numerous times by revolutionary intruders and he was accused of being astray and corrupt as a Muslim. He was known for his extensive knowledge in genealogy, and he had announced that Ayatollah Khomeini’s genealogical roots were unclear and doubtful. Due to his high status and large base among the Shi’a Muslims, the Iranian regime was not able to place him under house arrest, but he was abused and harassed in numerous cases.
10. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Reza Golpaygani. Another great scholar of Shi’a Islam, who was accused of being anti Vali Faqih. His house was attacked by revolutionary intruders numerous times.
11. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Sadeqi Tehrani. He was accused of being against Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest. He was banned from all academic and religious activities and even the place, where he taught his pupils was burned down.
12. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Rasool Mosavi Tehrani. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and being affiliated with Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari. He was banned from all religious and academic activities and placed under house arrest, which led to his mysterious death.
13. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Rouhani. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest, after being attacked by revolutionary intruders. He was banned from accessing the outside world, and after his death, he was buried in his house, against his will.
14. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mahmoud Sistani. He is the brother of current Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani in Iraq. He was poisoned by the Iranian intelligence and accused of being anti Vali Faqih.
15. Grand Ayatollah Sane’ie. He has been accused of opposing the religious and political authority of the Iranian supreme leader Ali Khamenei. He was placed under house arrest, after the closure of his office and all affiliated centers.
16. Grand Ayatollah Hosein Ali Montazari. He was the second in command after Ayatollah Khomeini, and ultimately removed from his post by Khomeini. He was accused of being anti Vali Faqih and placed under house arrest, and banned from all types of religious and academic activities under the reign of Ali Khamenei.
17. Grand Ayatollah Yasoob Aldeen Rastegari. He has been jailed for several years due to his affiliation with Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadri and being Anti Vali Faqih. Currently, he is under house arrest and lives in the city of Qom.
18. Grand Ayatollah Sayed Sadeq Shirazi. He is the younger brother of late Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi. He is accused of being anti Vali faqih and many of his centers and affiliate institutions have been closed and confiscated. Recently the Iranian government have imprisoned several individuals within his close circle and label him as traitor and enemy of Islam.
19. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Tahir Shoebiri Khaqani. He was a prominent scholar in the Khozestan province in Southern Iran, who criticized the racial and arbitrary policies of the Iranian regime. He was exiled to Qom and placed under house arrest and ultimately died in mysterious circumstances.

http://www.newvisionfnd.org/religion/ayatollahs-against-tyranny/

This is surely not true, brother.

I live in Iran and know much better what's going on here in Iran. It is not like what you said that these scholars were attacked by revolutionary soldiers. They were/are not anti government but its defenders.

Only a few of mentioned scholars started opposing the government like Shirazi, Montazeri.

It's a long story why each opposed the government.

For example: Shirazi ignores what Ayt. Khmenei says about the unity among Muslims and has always wanted to stir up troubles between Muslims. 

Montazeri had a son in law who had done disgusting acts and even has killed one of the great scholars in Isfahan( shams Abadi) and after his execution Montazeri was removed from his post. He couldn't do anything when Ayt. Khomeini was alive but after his demise he set to oppose Ayt. Khamenei.

It's good to know that neither of them were banned from academic activities; Shirazi every day holds his academic class in a mosque near the holy shrine of Lady Fatima (as) which is called Zain Al-Abedin.

 

[Althaqalayn12 59]

4 hours ago, LabaikYaHussein said:

Dont call yourself a shia when you make dumb allegations like this going online looking at a few articles thinking your a master in politics now sit down sip some tea you type of people are the dirt beneath Ayatollah Khomeini's (ra) feet 

Don't forget there are neo-con aka israeli supporter "shia" who want to hurt Iran and to hurt Iran, they start with the wilayat al faqeeh and maraj'i..

[celestial 459]

Turks will aid Imam Mahdi inshallah, it's in the hadith.

Amirul Mo'mineen (as) said: “Allah does not clear the world from the unjust until the sacred blood is shed.” He mentioned the story of the Umayyads and the Abbasids in a long tradition then he said: “When al-Qa'im rises in Khurasan, defeats Kufa and the two nations, passes the island of Bani Kawan, and another revolter from us rises in Jeelan, who will be supported by the people of Aabir and Daylaman, then the banners of the Turks will rise in different countries to support my son (al-Qa'im). Then some things will happen here and there. Basra will be destroyed and the emir of the emirs will rule in Egypt.”

Edited May 3, 2016 by starlight

[LabaikYaHussein 94]

On 5/2/2016 at 1:08 AM, celestial said:

 

Turks will aid Imam Mahdi inshallah, it's in the hadith.

Amirul Mo'mineen (as) said: “Allah does not clear the world from the unjust until the sacred blood is shed.” He mentioned the story of the Umayyads and the Abbasids in a long tradition then he said: “When al-Qa'im rises in Khurasan, defeats Kufa and the two nations, passes the island of Bani Kawan, and another revolter from us rises in Jeelan, who will be supported by the people of Aabir and Daylaman, then the banners of the Turks will rise in different countries to support my son (al-Qa'im). Then some things will happen here and there. Basra will be destroyed and the emir of the emirs will rule in Egypt.”

You clearly dont see hadith of the flags of Khorasan 

Edited May 3, 2016 by starlight

[kamyar 1,843]

Insha'Allah the brother/sister here doesn't have bad intention, but what they are calling truth is misinformation.

I don't know all the anti Welayate Faqih people/scholars mentioned here, and if they even exist, or if they exist, they are good scholar or bad scholar. Anyways, there are some issues I am going to address:

1. Ayatollah Khoei wasn't against Welayate Faqih. He even was among the people who were trying to establish Islamic government in Iraq.

 

2. Regardless of his personality, Marhouhm Montazeri has wrote a book for Welayate Faqih, how can he be called against Welayate Faqih? As it was mentioned, he was removed from the next leadership post, as a result of some of the issues back then like his openly support for his son in law's brother named Mehdi Hashemi who was leading an extremist and terrorist-like group. Here is his confession in Persian:

http://www.aparat.com/v/mkr95

3. Shari'at madari was a close person to Shah and against Imam Khomeini's uprising against him. After Revolution, he alongside some other anti Revolution individuals (especially his son in law, Ghotb zadeh) managed a coup against Imam Khomeini and as far as I know, even tried to kill him. But by the grace of God they failed and were arrested. Here are Ghotb zadeh and Shari'at Madari's confessions (in Persian):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATcEgdpLank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqTcz382bx0

I have more things about a few of these kinds of  scholars whose names mentioned here. But what I said is enough for some members here to, at least, be more cautious in their ways.

Insha'Allah we can learn to distinguish between Good scholars and bad scholars, as nothing has damaged Islam more than bad scholars.

اعرف الحق، تعرف اهله و اعرف الباطل تعرف اهله

Edited May 2, 2016 by kamyar

[celestial 459]

8 minutes ago, kamyar said:

3. Shari'at madari was a close person to Shah and against Imam Khomeini's uprising against him. After Revolution, he alongside some other anti Revolution individuals (especially his son in law, Ghotb zadeh) managed a coup against Imam Khomeini and as far as I know, even tried to kill him. But by the grace of God they failed and were arrested. Here is Ghotb zadeh and Shari'at Madari confession (in Persian):

What?

Wasn't Shariatmadari the one who gave khomeini the Grand Ayatollah title to save him from being executed?

[The Light 268]

Salam,

After reading some of the posts here, I just wanted to jump in and give my 2 cents. 

I know a lot of shias believe in Wilayat Fagih and love it. That's good. If you feel like it's a great system, then it's your opinion. 

I, personally, don't believe in Wilayat faqih, but that doesn't mean I'm against Iran and certain scholars like Ayaltallah Khomeini and Ayatallah Khamanai. 

The thing is I kind of get annoyed when shias place Wilayat Faqih on par with imamate or usool e deen. As far as I know we only have 5. 

I think it's totally wrong to equalize it's importance with the fundamentals of religion. 

 

[LabaikYaHussein 94]

41 minutes ago, The Light said:

Salam,

After reading some of the posts here, I just wanted to jump in and give my 2 cents. 

I know a lot of shias believe in Wilayat Fagih and love it. That's good. If you feel like it's a great system, then it's your opinion. 

I, personally, don't believe in Wilayat faqih, but that doesn't mean I'm against Iran and certain scholars like Ayaltallah Khomeini and Ayatallah Khamanai. 

The thing is I kind of get annoyed when shias place Wilayat Faqih on par with imamate or usool e deen. As far as I know we only have 5. 

I think it's totally wrong to equalize it's importance with the fundamentals of religion. 

 

Wasalam bro/sis see there is nothing wrong with difference of opinion when we discuss it with manners the way your doing it there is no wrong in it but when certain people come and slander and accuse our scholars with some fake weak evidence from zionist agents then thats a problem 

Edited May 2, 2016 by LabaikYaHussein

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

On 01/05/2016 at 5:47 PM, celestial said:

• Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mahmoud Sistani. He is the brother of current Grand Ayatollah Sayed Ali Sistani in Iraq. He was poisoned by the Iranian intelligence and accused of being anti Vali Faqih.

you can prove that can you?

[The Light 268]

6 minutes ago, LabaikYaHussein said:

Wasalam bro/sis see there is no hing wrong with difference of opinion when we discuss it with manners the way your doing it there is no hing wrong but when certain people come and slander and accuse out scholars with some fake weak evidence from zionist agents then thats a problem 

I agree. 

One shouldn't just cherrypick accusations written on the internet against someone, as there is no evidence and proof of it.

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

I can say with quite a degree of certainty that I was one of the most anti Iran/ anti WF/ Anti Khomeini members on shiachat for many many years. I have spent literally years digging up dirt about the WF system and posting it here. any sort of controversy regarding Iran was good news for me.

My views have softened recently. What I realised is that there is not Iranian conspiracy involving all scholars of all levels within all levels of society, government and seminary, all working towards a single goal of a global shia pope.

the majority of people in Iran are regular, decent, hardworking honest folks like us, doing the best that they can under extraordinary conditions and pressures with limited resources.

just because there is a corrupt core of turbans within Iran, this does not mean that every single person in Iran is evil. show me a single country to ever have existed (masumeen excluded) where there was not a corrupt bunch of people at top levels of government using corruption to make themselves rich.

if the iranians choose the WF as a political model to rule their own country - and there is absolutely zero doubt that the majority of Iranians do - then this is their right, and no one has any right to impose what they do not want on them.

there is a hard core of WF supporters who believe wacky things like the wilayat of sayed khamenei is the same - global - wilayat as Imam Mahdi (atfs)

so basically - what Iranians choose to do in terms of politics within their own country is their own issue and none of our business.

when nutcases (mostly online) decide to call sayed khameni the global leader of all the worlds muslims whether shia or not, whether they accept him or not etc...then we have a problem.

you will find when you actually study scholars who disagree with WF, that they actually only disagree with the level of power the WF has. sayed muhammad baqir shirazi for example believed that it was better to have a council of equal WFs instead of a single one. most/ all scholars believe however that the faqih has some position in terms of politics.

 

 

[celestial 459]

On 5/2/2016 at 2:22 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

you can prove that can you?

See this topic.

Definitely something fishy is going on.

 

[DigitalUmmah 5,202]

5 hours ago, celestial said:

See this topic.

Definitely something fishy is going on.

 

Ive already read the thread, did you not notice I even posted in it?

I see nothing more than your entire argument being based on the word of a well known lunatic. Not exactly airtight.

[celestial 459]

14 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Ive already read the thread, did you not notice I even posted in it?

I see nothing more than your entire argument being based on the word of a well known lunatic. Not exactly airtight.

It's no secret that the regime prisons the clerics which they don't like.

It's not something too unlikely to happen, i wouldn't be surprised if the story is true.