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Are there some scholars and marjas against "wilayat faqi" ?

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4 minutes ago, AIthaqaIayn12 said:

Having no shoes and walking barefooted has no shame, not walking at all does. Oh and speaking of oppressors, lets see what ErDOGan did shall we?

1-sending hitmen to attack an editor for revealing his plans with ISIS. https://www.rt.com/news/342092-shooter-attack-journalist-turkey/

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/341148-turkey-silence-criticism-eu/

2-http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/12/europe/germany-erdogan-joke-prosecution/index.html <--complain over a comedian, wanting to kill him..

3-http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/world/isis-shooting-turkey-alshurqat/index.html <--getting a man shot for talking against isis

4-https://www.rt.com/in-motion/342077-clashes-police-dnkp-istanbul/ <--killing protestors?

https://www.rt.com/news/340998-erdogan-censorship-europe-genocide/

https://www.rt.com/news/341090-turkey-secularism-protest-police/

5-https://www.rt.com/news/341977-zaman-shutdown-turkey-erdogan/ <--shut down a whole news station for exposing his terrorism?

6-https://www.rt.com/news/341427-turkey-kurds-parliament-clashes/ <--massacring kurds? and oppressing them?

7-https://www.rt.com/news/341250-turkey-kurds-killings-un/ <--more killing of kurds and oppresison

 

^^^Those are just let's say a few things..just a few...

Did I ever defend Erdoğan?

What's wrong with you people?

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Some members tend to confuse opposing Wilayat al-Faqih with scholars disagreeing about the power in the hands of the Faqih. A better question would be "which scholars oppose Wilayat al-Faqih al-M

Like I said, it seems like a lot of people are really putting out names of scholars who don't really oppose Wilayat al-Faqih.  Sayyed Muhammad al-Shirazi actually believed in Wilayat al-Faqih, he

yes their are quite a few that disagree with the system of wilaytul faqih , such as sayed sadiq shirazi , and many other scholars from the shirazi lineage , also sayed ammar nakhshwani disagrees  with

4 minutes ago, celestial said:

Did I ever defend Erdoğan?

What's wrong with you people?

This is a bold confession. So, the "Islamic" Iran supports Marxist Atheist PKK Kurds, which does suicide bombings similar to ISIS killing innocent people. And then you expect me to call who is behind all this "rahbar"? If this is all true, then what makes khamanei different than erdogan?  

I couldn't care less about Kurds, you were the one who blurted it out.

 

<---an indirect way of supporting his government.

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7 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

The hukm of Ayatollah Mirza Shirazi regarding Tabaco ban in late 1800s serves as reminder of a marja banning something based on contextual situation of a time in a successful attempt of stopping the British conspiracy

first of all, it wasnt a hukm. it was a fatwa. like I already said, only a masum can give a hukm. 

here is a reliable, pro WF website discussing the event

http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=12591

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Ayatollah Mirza Hassan Shirazi had no other choice but issue a Fatwa prohibiting use of tobacco, and saying that any use of tobacco from now onwards would be considered war against the Lord of the Age, Imam Mahdi (AS), the 12th and Last Successor of Prophet Mohammad (SAWA). Immediately, the Muslim people of Iran obeyed the edict, and throughout the country refrained from buying, selling and using tobacco.

a fatwa is only binding upon a marjas muqallids, however the popularity of the fatwa meant that it was adhered to by almost all Iranians. secondly the protest was limited to within Iran, as it was an Iranian Issue. it was not binding (or even relevant) outside Irans borders. 

7 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

All one has to do is take a look at Iraq within the last decade. It was the fatwas of ayatollah Sistani, imam Khamenei, Iran led Shia militias that saved Iraq from multiple phases of conspiracies, including all out Shia/sunni war. They were the ones who knew when to fight and when to stay calm. Without that, there would be no Iraq as we know it today. Self defence being wajib means nothing if there is no wail guiding the believers.

I must have missed the fatwa where sayed sistani called the iraqi people to jihad, please provide it for me. 

7 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

This can be said about anything coming from a non infallibles. However, this is not what welayat is about. Muslim, representative of imam Hussein, did not have direct permission to take over Kufa, but it was essential to do this. Kufis of that day, much like your way of thinking, didn't understand that welayat of Muslim was linked to welayat of Imam Hussein, and the rest is history.

why do you not see that there is a difference between Imam Hussain (as) and sayed khamenei? 

7 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

was it not the fatwa of ayatollah Sistani and Imam Khamenei regarding insulting the Sunnis that brought that in control?

er no, it was hundreds of separate but connected factors all at once. saying a pair of fatwas were the reason is a gross oversimplification. 

8 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

Their is what you are suggesting, even if you don't have the foresight to understand it.  Do you understand what it takes to bring Islamic values into the folds of a society. What it takes to bring about an Islamic system without usury? Or the other 1400 systems? This requires basirat and immense Islamic knowledge to know the state of readiness of the society, to know when to move forward and when to slow down, what to implement at when and how to implement them. How these systems fit togather, and which takes priority. Dismantling the system of welayat of Fagih and the Islamic revolution will open the door for any tagut to take over without any understanding or knowledge required to implement Islamic values and system, or even belief in them. Having a simplistic world view and belief imam Mahdi will just fix everything, will get us nowhere. What if Imam Mahdi does not return for the next 100 years or 1000 years? Are we to look towards non Muslims for guidance? Is that not absurd?

there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. yet another WF supporter believes that WF is a better system to rely on than Imam Mahdi (atfs)

I actually dont have any issue at all with WF as a political model to govern Iran. its what the people want, and what they repeatedly choose for themselves. my issue is when over excited khamenei supporters start:

(1) thinking the WF has some sort of relevance to Imam Mahdi (atf)
(2) thinking the WF has supreme authority outside Iran
(3) thinking the WF is the Imam of our time (his title is literally wali e amr e muslimeen e jehan - master of affairs of all the worlds muslims) 
(4) thinking those who disagree with WF are the kufans of our time. 

8 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

Not studied Islam. From your comments, you're no authority to make any judgment on any scholar. Islam is not about  studies, its about being understood.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no. 

Islamic Scholars are judged entirely upon the amount of scholarship they have undertaken. is this not straightforward?

with all due respect to sayed khamenei, he simply has not spent as much time studying Islam as, lets say, sheikh vahid khorasani. this is not an insult to sayed khamenei. if you actually look at sayed khameneis life over the last 30 - 40 years, he has spent maybe 1% as much time as the marjas within Iran under formal islamic hawza education due to his political commitments. 

8 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

"Grand Ayatollah Vahid Khorasani’s compliments of Rouhani were the highlight of the trip. Khorasani, who rarely talks politics and is highly influential in Qom, told Rouhani, “You're one of the best presidents and are faced with overwhelming problems.” "

Rohani is one of the most liberal presidents, and effectively sold out Iran's nuclear capabilities for mere promises. His economic policies are purely neoliberal in nature and have nothing to do with Islam. He now seeks other rounds of negotiations for dismantling Iran's missile capababilites and dissolving the resistance movement.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/03/iran-rouhani-qom-nuclear-talks-cultural-policy.html

in your mind - what is more important, establishing peaceful cooperative ties with the rest of the world, lifting of sanctions, improving the economy and lives of common iranians, or developing a missile that sayed khamenei himself said was haram? 

8 hours ago, Shiawarrior313 said:

The belief of removing welayat Fagih from society is a dangerous one as opens door to any tagut to take over. We will not be able to pave way for the return of imam Mahdi if we cannot even accept the welayat of those he deemed as hujat upon us. This is the only path of brining Islam to the folds of the society.

no one is saying lets all become devil worshippers. is subtlety of thought completely alien to you people? we are saying that if Iranian people want WF, then good for them. we all really wish you would stop forcing it on the rest of us and calling us kufans if we say stop it. 

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7 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

are you referring to the shia uprising in the first gulf war?

the gulf war where iraq was invaded?

that one?

 

Pretty sure he is referring to the Sayyed's fatwa that you do not need the permission of an infallible imam to engage in offensive jihad.

 

 

@celestial

 

If you don't like that one, try on this one

 

 

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8 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

are you referring to the shia uprising in the first gulf war?

the gulf war where iraq was invaded?

that one?

Sayyed al-Khoei's fatwa on offensive jihad.

Watch the video by brother Kamyar which was posted earlier.

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10 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

in your mind - what is more important, establishing peaceful cooperative ties with the rest of the world, lifting of sanctions, improving the economy and lives of common iranians, or developing a missile that sayed khamenei himself said was haram? 

I hope you can understand what you wrote is completely disconnected from reality. This is the difference between a scholar who has basirat, understands the problems affecting the Islamic ummah, is capable seeing the world from the point of view of haq and batil, and one who's not. A scholar, who does not have such basirat, may eventually become a pawn of the enemies of Allah at some level. Ayatollah montazeri is an example.

Basirat regarding the nuclear deal, involves understanding the enemies of Allah are not trustworthy and that no win win situation can come out of it. Either we back down from our rights or roll back our resistance against their imperialism, or status quo would continue. Considering the current Iranian government is highly liberal and westernized, they saw the only solution is to cave in to their demands (going as far as saying the solution to Iran's water shortage will be solves with the deal). The outcome of this deal was the government quickly dismantling the nuclear industry, cementing the heart of a heavy water reactor, accepting 25 years of intrusive inspecting, before even the west took the first step. Not only did west not lift the sanctions, but they threatens any nation doing business with Iran, hence the status quo remains, while demanding that Iran must give up its missile program (not nuclear, which is Iran's main military deterrent) and give up its resistance in the region (giving free reign to the Zionist agenda). Now, to cover up their failures, Rohani saught to gain legimacy through marjas in qom praising him. If senior scholars and marjas, are being manipulated like this, what hope is there for them to be able to understand the solution of the Islamic ummah, or even come up with solutions for them.

If I were to probe farther into your understanding of other issues facing the Islamic world, I would mostly likely face the same simplicity of understanding. Ultimately, the difference between revolutionary shias and others comes to basirat. One group stands against the enemies of Allah, and other becomes manipulated by them.

 

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13 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

first of all, it wasnt a hukm. it was a fatwa. like I already said, only a masum can give a hukm. 

here is a reliable, pro WF website discussing the event

http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=12591

p://rasekhoon.net/article/show/112689/%D8%A2%DB%8C%D8%AA%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B8%D9%85%DB%8C%20%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%A7%DB%8C%20%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C%20(%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AA%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%20%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87)/

 

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم الیوم استعمال تنباکو و توتون ، بایّ نحو کان ، در حکم محاربه با امام زمان صلوات الله و سلامه علیه است

Rough translation: "The use Tabaco and tutoon, in the way it is, is hukm of war against imam zaman (of time), peace be upon him."

Read this, or if you can't search for the word  حکم , and do a google translate on that part. 

References are given at the bottom. 

- You truly are dishonest. This evidence is from previous shiachat post, where you made the same claim and was proven false. Yet, against a different person you use the same claim hoping they're ignorant enough not to be able to answer you.

I was taking you seriously for a moment. You're just stubborn and have no interest in the truth.

 

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